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Folks, my next guest tonight is a New York Times best-selling

author who has been nominated for the National Book Award and won the MacArthur Genius Grant.

His new novel is The Emperor of Gladness.

Please welcome to The Late Show, Ocean Vuong.

Hi, nice to meet you.

Hi, good to meet you.

Thanks for being here.

Thank you so much.

It's an honor.

In May, you released your highly anticipated second novel, The Emperor of Gladness.

It was an instant New York Times bestseller,

and it was selected for Oprah's Book Club.

For those who haven't read it yet, what is it about?

Well, it starts with a young man who's standing on the edge of a bridge contemplating jumping.

And he's stopped by an 82-year-old woman with dementia,

and they end up living together in the course of a year.

And I think suicide is a very deeply personal subject for me.

I lost my uncle when he was just 28 years old.

I was 24.

He was like a brother to me.

And I think at the core of it,

suicide is still an act of hope.

One does it with the hope of ending tremendous suffering.

I would go on to say it's a hopelessly hopeful act.

And what was really interesting to me was,

what happens for someone who chooses to step away from the ledge right back into a corner?

How do you choose life without the tools for living?

And it was a question I never got to ask my uncle.

And I think fiction at its core gives us a technology to ask questions we never get to ask in life,

or is too costly, or the chances are fleeting.

You speak in here of...

You've spoken of the idea of kindness without hope.

What does that mean?

Well, the character goes on to work in a fast-food restaurant,

and I think many Americans have experienced this, myself included worked at a place called Boston Market

and the elephant in the room in in a place like

that I think is you're not supposed to ask where do you go after this you know

if you go to nursing school

if you go to medical school there's a kind of a even HVAC there's a kind of ascendancy

that there's a there's an after place but

when you work in fast food working minimum wage the the the idea

that you're actually trapped is incredibly palpable for everybody involved

and I think what you notice then is that everyone is

so generous with a kind of kindness because they know

that there is nothing else beyond it

but they are deeply invested in their own dreams

and I think what I learned working in fast food

and most of my life as an American is

that I'm not interested so much in the American dream as we know it

so much as Americans who dream

and in every fast food restaurant you see it's full of

people with dreams despite not being able to execute them they still hold on to them

and they strive towards it and i wanted to amplify

that using what i knew best which is language do you think

that the dream itself the dreams

that they have of something else constitutes a form of hope even if it's not a conscious hope 100 i think

I think hope is a beautiful thing because it's kind of always the North Star.

And as long as you have that beacon,

you move towards, and I do this with my students,

the greatest thing you can do as a teacher

is to push the horizon back even further because even

if your students don't reach their goals they still exceed the limits of where they started from the get-go

and i think this is true with any vocation whether it's in a fast food restaurant

or writing or entertainment or what have you hope is still the the greatest engine

and it begins with language it's not empty and the classroom to me is the most hopeful place

Even before a single person steps into it,

a teacher or students, the condition of the classroom is aspirational.

It's a laboratory of possibility and wonder.

And the teacher's only job is to preserve that so that it does not get demolished by cynicism.

I think often cynicism can be misread as intelligence in our culture.

And hope is often the most courageous thing because it means you're all in.

You know, you've gone all into it.

Cynicism masquerades as wisdom.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thank you.

Well, listen, speaking of hopeful things happening, here you are.

You were chosen for Oprah's Book Club.

And I'm just curious...

That's a great way for more people to see the art that you do.

Was, I mean, growing up,

was Oprah a big thing in your house?

Oh, my gosh.

It was a big thing in my mom's nail salon, because...

We were there every day,

and I had the best English,

So I ran the phones and you know,

it's I was so honored to get that call Anytime I get an important call.

I stand in front of my mother's altar

and my publisher tricked me They said we're gonna have a pub publicity meeting And I said oh gosh,

I'm gonna get in trouble So I stood in front of my mother's altar.

I said ma help me out here And then they said ah Actually,

we're having some trouble with the line.

We're gonna call you with an unknown number just pick it up.

And then I heard the voice and I knew that voice.

I heard it every day at 4 p.m with my mother.

And I think what was so beautiful is that my mother,

you know, she was illiterate her whole life.

She doesn't know what The New Yorker is.

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She never saw what a literary prize is.

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But the only time she saw a book for the first time was an Oprah show.

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And I think what was so beautiful about that show,

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and even your show, talk shows in general,

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is that you bring culture to working people.

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Because a book, even if you get it free at the library,

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it still takes eight, 10 hours to read.

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And people like my mother worked eight o'clock in the morning to eight at night.

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If a customer walks in at 7.55,

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she has to take them.

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And that's another hour.

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She won't be home till nine.

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And to bring cultural work to the center of people and say,

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you have permission to access this discourse.

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And I watched the women in the nail salon look at that show with the books and say,

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oh, it's about divorce.

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It's about doubt.

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It's about migration.

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It's about trying their best to have kindness as a human being,

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which is an incredibly hard thing to do.

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I know that.

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I don't need to go to school and have a degree to know that.

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I've lived that.

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And I think what was so beautiful for me was that it brought the idea of culture

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and widen it into a town square,

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and that town square happened to be in the middle of a nail salon in Hartford County.

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What luck.

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Ocean, thank you so much for being here.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for sharing your story.

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Thank you.

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The Emperor of Gladness is available now.

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Ocean Huang, everybody.

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We'll be right back.

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