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Location sharing started out as a safety tool, but somewhere along the line it turned into something more of a social test.
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Location sharing started out as a safety tool, but somewhere along the line it turned into something more of a social test.
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Teenagers started sharing their locations with friends on Snapchat and Instagram.
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Romantic partners did it too.
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One survey even found that 20% of adults think that a partner who won't share their location is a deal breaker.
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But how did we get to this point?
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Because if you told me 20 years ago that all of my family
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and half of my friends would know my exact location at every moment, I would have been absolutely horrified.
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I recently put those questions to Thomas Germain.
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He's co-host of the BBC podcast The Interface and author of the weekly column Keeping Tabs.
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I mean, the only way we could go farther than this is like
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if you were keeping a diary and sharing your thoughts.
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It can't be a mistake that there's this social pressure built in that when you turn off location sharing, the other person gets a notification.
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Cady stopped sharing her location with me.
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Now I'm like, well, what happened?
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Like, did her feelings change?
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Like, what was it?
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The thing with all of these technologies is we're living through
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a natural experiment where we will find out what the consequences are.
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But at that point, it's baked into our lives and it's too late.
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are we at risk of conflating visibility with trust i mean
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you can see all of the kind of intimate details of where somebody is it doesn't actually necessarily mean you're
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that much closer to them no you now have a whole bunch of teenagers
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and young adults who treat it as
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if it was like likes on social media that
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if you don't like me you're not my friend if you don't like me you're not close to me enough.
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So when did you see that shift happening?
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Yeah, there's definitely been a really interesting change here.
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Apple introduced location sharing, I think it was about 15 years ago.
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But I would say over the past 10 years, and especially in the last five, there's been this change in families now,
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very common for everyone to have their location on, but also in like friend groups, I've seen this a lot,
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where the fact that you're sharing your location with someone is a sign
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that you've reached some level of intimacy or in romantic relationships that sharing a location is like a sign of trust,
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a sign that you've got nothing to hide, that you're on the same page and you can always be in touch with each other.
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But it's also created all of these weird pressures, both because some people don't want to share their location
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and people often don't realize what it is they're revealing when they give this information away.
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But saying no, or even worse,
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revoking it once you've given it to another person can create kind of a conflict in some cases
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that makes this like an issue of peer pressure that can be really difficult to navigate.
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You're so right in romantic relationships.
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I was stunned when I sort of this stat that showed me that for 21% of people in romantic relationships, not sharing their location is a deal breaker.
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It's like the kind of tech equivalents.
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You're like a phone equivalent of a prenup.
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I don't know where that came from and what it does to a relationship, but I'm going to be honest, I find it slightly creepy.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I try to not pass judgment about this sort of thing.
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You're a better man than me.
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Well, I try.
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I'm not saying I succeed.
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But, you know, I've been writing about privacy for almost 10 years now, and I find this pretty alarming.
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On the one hand, maybe it's like, oh, well, it's a sign that me and my partner, we trust each other and everything's fine.
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And we don't have anything to worry about.
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That's the question is that you need the sign.
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You need the proof.
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You need the sign.
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You need the proof.
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I think for some people, not giving that level of information is a sign that you're hiding something,
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which is pretty shocking when we think about just how intimate and how much information you're sharing with another person.
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This is where I am at all times.
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So like there's no moment of your life that's just for you.
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They need constant 24-7 access to you.
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And I think that's kind of a problem.
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Okay, so now I'm going to ask you to play psychologist.
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Okay, can't wait.
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And having sounded a little judgy about this, I have four kids.
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Of the four of them, three of them I share, and I love seeing where they are.
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One of them, my daughter, Maya, who's 29, always said, I find this kind of creepy.
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Even my boyfriend, who I've been living with for 10 years, he doesn't share.
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I don't really want you to know where I am at all times.
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And so I have a sort of control sample, which is that it never occurs to me to even look or wonder where Maya is.
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I don't even have that.
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It's almost like knowing that I can look feeds a sort of addiction that I have now developed.
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Are the companies, as well as it being great businesses, are they giving us something that we need or did they make this happen?
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I mean, are they tapping into some need of ours that was already there
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or have they created this need in us, Dr. Thomas?
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You know, as a licensed psychologist, no of course i did
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but uh i that's a really interesting question i think of it less as a need that's being fulfilled
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and more of uh something that's playing into a natural human
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desire once these tools are available it creates a new opportunity to worry and because it's there
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because you can check it i think addiction is a useful framework i don't know
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that this kind of thing is literally addictive but the fact
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that you can check makes you want to do it the fact
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that it's always there that you can always feed
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that it's like oh do i need to be worried about
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my daughter well i'll just check where she is you weren't there was no opportunity to do
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that in the past so that anxiety maybe wouldn't have developed there
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so i think it creates maybe more problems than it's solving i'm sure it's comforting for some people
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and maybe slightly sort of infantilizing as well i mean i think of how
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when i grew up i traveled all over the world without
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my parents having any idea where i was in a crinky little airmail letter and you turned out fine well ish
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More or less.
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Ish.
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Okay, so let me just kind of throw this forward before we close.
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20 years ago, the idea to you
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that you would have been tracked every minute by your family or by your friends would have seemed anathema.
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It was just kind of unthinkable and you might have been a bit appalled even at the idea of it.
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You watch technology, Thomas, very closely.
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You follow all of this.
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Where do you see this going in the tea leaves?
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What else is there that's emerging in terms of tech features that today would seem weird,
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which in 10 years time may be totally normalized in terms
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of how we interact with other people well you know there's a there's a factor
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that i think people don't consider
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that makes this sort of thing very difficult to predict and
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that is that so much of it is based on not just what's normal
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but what's cool right if we think about the history of social media for example
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when i was in high school everyone was on myspace it was a particular kind of interacting
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that is dead it used to be
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that everyone was watching cable it was impossible to imagine
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that would go away i think you can look at a
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lot of this stuff as generational trends there could be shifts in the you know public sentiment about what's normal
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and what we want that people do that just this becomes icky
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or it becomes lame
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or it's like oh you're sharing a location that's what my grandma did what like come on who does
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that but i think the one thing that i'm paying the most attention to
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and this is i think different in a lot of ways uh there's been a lot of discussion about
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the ways the technology has made our lives frictionless you can
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get food delivered without talking to a human being you don't
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have to go to the grocery store anymore you don't need
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to go to you don't have to buy toilet paper they'll bring it to you
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if you want to look something up it takes no effort
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but i think that kind of
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that lack of friction is starting to bleed into our social relationships
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and raise the expectation of how much attention you're expected to give somebody
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It could reach a breaking point where it's too much and people get tired of this and they go, I'm done, I'm not sharing my location, I'm not responding to your text,
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or it could become an expectation and we'll all just start doing this
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so we're not the weird one in the friend group that doesn't share our location.
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It's hard to predict where things are going to go, but there's a lot of easy problems you can spot from a distance.
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Thomas, Jermaine, thank you very much.
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That was super.
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Thanks for having me on.
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