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Bill, welcome back.
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Bill, welcome back.
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I always like having you on the show.
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I actually just thought of this seconds before it.
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I apologize.
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Here, I'll just put this.
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No one...
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You didn't see anything.
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You didn't see anything.
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Welcome back to the show.
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I always love having you here.
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Source Code is out today.
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Congratulations on this.
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It's fantastic.
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You worked hard on this.
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It was kind of fun to look back.
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Yeah, I don't do that much.
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Yeah, why did you want to do this,
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like, looking all the way back just to your upbringing?
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You know, I'll turn 70 this year.
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Microsoft turns 50.
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My foundation will be 25.
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So, you know, it's time I look back a tiny bit and thought through,
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you know, the incredible luck I had with parents and timing
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and so many things that set me up for an amazing life.
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Yeah, you do talk about your mom a lot in this book and what a big influence your mom...
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I know everyone's mom is.
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I love my mom, too.
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Yeah.
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What examples do you have of anything you remember,
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your mom being very influential in you?
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Well, when other families had come over,
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you know, we'd talk about what their kids were up to,
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and then after they left,
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my mom would say, oh,
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they must feel terrible their kid didn't go to college,
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or, you know, they're not doing very well,
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and I'd be like, oh,
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okay, I get what you want me to do.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, that was a side way of saying,
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you better go to college, yeah.
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And then you went and dropped out.
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I did.
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Good for you.
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Good for you.
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I went on leave.
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Keep her on her toes.
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Yeah, you did.
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You actually wrote a nice letter.
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You went on leave.
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You go, I'm starting a company with my buddy.
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I might be back if it doesn't work.
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Yeah, you did say that.
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It's kind of cool.
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They have the letter in here.
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I also thought it was very interesting,
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too, a lot of the Boy Scout stuff.
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Yeah, I got to do a lot of hiking in the Seattle area.
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I wasn't very good at it,
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but I loved the camaraderie.
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Yeah, me too.
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I never...
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I wasn't a Boy Scout.
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My parents didn't let me try it for it.
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Yeah, or something.
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I didn't get to.
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But I got all those magazines and learned how to tie knots and stuff.
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I tried camping out once in my backyard.
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And I know, that was my big adventure outside.
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And my mom came out mid-night,
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like, middle of the night and said, Jimmy, come back inside.
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This is scary.
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It's scary.
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Also, I want to say the proceeds from this book is going to United Way worldwide.
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Uh...
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United Way because of your.. because of your mom?
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Yeah, my parents were both very involved.
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Uh, and the whole volunteering thing,
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giving back to the community, they.. they set an example that, uh, I'm...
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I'm trying to live up to.
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Yeah, you really are, yeah.
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You're.. you're doing a good job.
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Uh, 50th anniversary of Microsoft.
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You look back at this,
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you go, man, oh, man.
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I mean, you are Bill Gates.
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You became...
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Like, before you, who would you even think...
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Who'd you look up to?
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Or who was...
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Oh, there were scientists like Richard Feynman, who were amazing.
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There was no computer industry except for these big, expensive machines.
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IT WAS IBM, IT WAS THIS COMPANY,
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AND PEOPLE THOUGHT COMPUTERS WERE KIND OF AGAINST THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE ONLY FOR BIG COMPANIES.
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AND THEN WHEN THE PERSONAL COMPUTER CAME,
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IT WAS MORE LIKE, OKAY, POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
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AND WE GOT TO BE PART OF THAT,
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YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BY AGE 18,
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I HAD DONE A LOT OF SOFTWARE,
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AND WE SAW THE MIRACLE OF THE CHIP,
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AND THAT IT WOULD CHANGE EVERYTHING.
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YOU SAID THAT EVERYONE IS GOING TO HAVE A PERSONAL COMPUTER,
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AND PEOPLE LAUGHED AT YOU,
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AND THEY GO, YEAH, RIGHT.
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We'll see.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Now, everyone's got one in their pocket now, I guess, right?
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Yeah, no, we used to say,
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on every desk in every home,
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and now, you know, we've gone even far beyond that.
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Yeah.
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Does it fuel you to work harder when people doubt you and say,
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no, you can't do this?
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I think so.
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You know, I think kind of proving to my mom that I could exceed her expectation.
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And then just the dream of,
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okay, wouldn't it be cool?
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I wanted to have a personal computer.
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And my friend Paul Allen and I in the early years,
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you know, figured out, hey,
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we see this and other people don't.
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We don't know why, but let's go show them.
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Yeah.
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He sounds like fun, by the way, Paul Allen.
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He was a Hendrix fan.
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He played the guitar.
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Yeah, experimented with LSD.
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And he made me do the same thing.
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Yeah. Did that...
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That, hold on, now.
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I don't want to have no flashbacks.
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I don't want to have no flashbacks.
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But what was that like?
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Do you remember the experience?
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It was a little crazy.
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The funny thing was later,
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when Steve Jobs was kind of denigrating me,
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he said, oh, Bill Gates has no design taste.
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He should have taken acid.
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And I was like, wait a minute.
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I took the acid.
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It was just that I got the batch that's about code, not about design. So.
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You got the weird batch.
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He got a very different batch than I did.
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Yeah.
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But you, we wouldn't recommend anyone go out there.
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No, I actually don't, no. No.
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Because it's like you think you've solved the problems of the world and then you don't really?
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Or what it was?
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It turns out it's all kind of fake.
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Yeah.
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And I like it when my mind works well,
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and I was kind of worried afterwards that I'd mess up my mind.
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Oh, interesting.
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And erase all my knowledge.
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So even though I was a big risk taker,
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then I thought, no, no more of that.
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I'm gonna just work super hard.
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In my 20s, I didn't take weekends or vacation.
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It was kind of over the top,
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But it was super fun.
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And you just live in your office?
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Yep.
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I knew everybody's license plate numbers.
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So I knew when they came, when they went home.
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And what did mom say when she found out you were doing this?
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She goes, she's interesting.
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By then she had relaxed a little bit.
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Yeah.
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You know, she always said,
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okay, you need me for this or that.
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And so we had some intensity in our relationship.
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Both she and my dad,
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in their own way, were fantastic.
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My dad more by setting a model of calmness
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and showing you really can be on top of the world than my mom by kind of pushing me,
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even though I push back.
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Oh, that's good.
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I think you did okay, yeah.
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Everyone's talking about AI and that's the big topic.
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EVERYONE SAY HOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE OVER AND ALL THIS STUFF AND IT'S BAD OR IT'S GOOD OR WE DON'T KNOW.
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WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS FOR IN LAYMAN'S TERMS FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME?
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YEAH, SO THE ERA WE'VE COME TO IS SORT OF THE VISION THAT COMPUTING WAS EXPENSIVE AND IT BASICALLY BECAME FREE.
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THE ERA THAT WE'RE JUST STARTING IS THAT INTELLIGENCE IS RARE.
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YOU KNOW, A GREAT DOCTOR, A GREAT TEACHER.
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And with AI, over the next decade,
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that will become free, commonplace.
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Great medical advice, great tutoring.
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And it's kind of profound because it solves all these specific problems.
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Like we don't have enough doctors or mental health professionals.
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But it brings with it kind of so much change.
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What will jobs be like?
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Should we just work like two or three days a week?
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So I love the way it'll drive innovation forward,
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but I think, you know,
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it's a little bit unknown.
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Will we be able to shape it?
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And so legitimately, people are like,
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wow, this is a bit scary.
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It's completely new territory.
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I mean, will we still need humans?
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Not for most things.
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You know, we'll decide.
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I mean, hosting a talk show, definitely.
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You're gonna need, really?
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Well, we'll decide.
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I MEAN, HOSTING A TALK SHOW, DEFINITELY.
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REALLY?
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WELL, WE'LL DECIDE, YOU KNOW, LIKE BASEBALL.
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WE WON'T WANT TO WATCH COMPUTERS PLAY BASEBALL.
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THAT'S CREAT.
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YEAH.
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AND, YOU KNOW, SO THERE WILL BE SOME THINGS THAT WE RESERVE FOR OURSELVES.
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BUT IN TERMS OF MAKING THINGS AND MOVING THINGS AND GROWING FOOD,
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OVER TIME, THOSE WILL BE BASICALLY SOLVED PROBLEMS those will be basically solved problems.
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Yeah.
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Which we need to solve problems.
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Because you've got some grandkids.
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I do.
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I have a two-year-old and a three-month-old.
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That's pretty awesome.
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That's cute, huh?
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Boy, girl?
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Two girls.
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Two girls?
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Oh, that's the best.
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Both here in New York.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Do you like being a grandpa?
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It's fun.
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I think the best part is yet to come.
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Because I like to read books to them,
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eventually take them on trips.
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But even the two-year-olds are kind of a blast.
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Oh, that's fantastic.
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Now, I want to ask you,
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too, because there's a nice thing about being optimistic about the future.
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What keeps you optimistic, and what could you tell everyone to stay optimistic about the future?
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Well, I think the ability to improve health.
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Even Alzheimer's, which has been tough.
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all the diseases that are still in the developing countries like malaria,
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HIV, polio, we're very close.
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I spend a lot of time on that.
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You really do.
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With luck, in the next three or four years,
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that'll become the second disease that's completely gone.
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And even in areas like climate,
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you know, I think we can innovate we need to make really,
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really cheap green products.
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And asking people to pay extra,
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they should pay extra for clean products.
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But if you take the whole globe,
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they probably won't do it.
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And so the way to kind of get there is to innovate so the clean one is cheaper than the dirty one.
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And there's a lot of great stuff coming along.
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So I'm a little more optimistic about that then people don't get to see that innovation pipeline.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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I love it.
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More with Bill Gates when we come back, everybody.
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I want to ask some more questions.
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Come on back.
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