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Now, Trump traveled to China with a delegation of more than a dozen business leaders.
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Now, Trump traveled to China with a delegation of more than a dozen business leaders.
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The technology industry bosses were among the most prominent of the CEOs in Trump's trade and industry entourage.
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The high-profile delegation includes Elon Musk,
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the CEO of Apple, Tim Cook,
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and Jensen Huang, head of the world's most valuable company, NVIDIA.
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Both China and the U.S are vying for the position of world leader in high tech in many areas of technology.
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but especially in AI.
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Especially ahead of their negotiations,
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Trump's Treasury Secretary hailed the meeting saying that the world's two AI superpowers are going to start talking.
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Let's bring in James King.
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He is a senior research fellow on China at the British think tank Chatham House.
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He just published a book on Global Tech Wars, China's Race to Domination.
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Welcome to the program and thank you so much for your time.
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What criteria do you think the Trump administration used to choose these specific CEOs?
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What does it say to you?
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No, I wouldn't want to be too scientific about this.
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My understanding is that this trip and the people on the trip were decided at pretty short notice.
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But if you look down the list of the very powerful US CEOs and other senior executives,
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you can see that they fall into two categories.
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One is the heads of big US companies
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that have massive business in China and are regarded as kind of friends of China.
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You know, they've been going back and forth for years and they have business to do.
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And the other is those US companies that have business in China,
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but are having a really hard time.
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And those guys, I would put in the category of people who have problems to solve.
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So I think that's basically the category.
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But a lot of US business people didn't go.
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You've got most of the Fortune 500 that are American companies have business in China.
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So this is a fairly slim delegation compared to some that we've seen in the past.
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What do you make of the Treasury Secretary's comment
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when he says the world's two AI superpowers are going to
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start talking? well i mean you know it's an interesting comment uh my understanding of the us
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and china's relationship over ai is it's mostly adversarial uh you
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have the us throwing enormous amounts of money uh at ai you've got companies like anthropic
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and open ai making huge progress but using billions
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and billions of dollars to get there and then you've got lean
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and mean chinese competitors
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that appear to be making similar strides in ai with much much less money
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and producing uh large language models these uh these ai companies uh
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that are much cheaper to use and just as efficient running on much less compute.
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So my understanding is that the US's attitude towards Chinese AI is that this is a significant competitor,
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a peer competitor to the big US companies.
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I don't really see much mileage in the idea of cooperation between US and Chinese LLMs.
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Maybe I've missed a beat on that.
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Maybe there's some plan in the works.
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But to me, that seems pie in the sky.
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And where would you say,
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I mean, if you broaden it out beyond AI and look at tech more broadly,
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where do you see China currently standing in the global tech hierarchy and stacking up against Silicon Valley?
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In which domains is it now ahead of the United States?
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Well, you kindly mentioned my book before it came on.
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My view has been for two or three years
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that china has already effectively won the tech rivalry between the us and china
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there are several pieces of evidence
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that we can cite for this one is the website of the aspi the australian think tank
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that shows that china is now ahead in 66 out of 74 critical technologies critical advanced technologies
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that is and there are plenty of other uh readings on this as well
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So I think in all but a few areas, China is ahead.
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The areas where it's not ahead are things like semiconductors.
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Jensen Huang, the head of Nvidia,
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is in China at the moment.
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China, of course, wants to get some of the most advanced semiconductors that it can to power its AI models.
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And there are a few other areas as well.
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I believe that some of the US AI companies are still just ahead of Chinese competitors.
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And there's a few other areas of tech as well where the US is still ahead.
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But in general, China is moving at warp speed,
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climbing the technology ladder very rapidly indeed.
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And U.S companies are losing their position that they've held for decades as the leading tech companies in the world.
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Given that dynamic that you've just highlighted,
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what do you see as the most misunderstood aspects of China's tech strategy in Western discourse right now?
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First of all, I think the West has been extremely slow to understand how quick
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and how pervasive China's ascent up the technology ladder has been.
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Now, I believe that we can see this.
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For instance, the French president,
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Emmanuel Macron, basically said this the other day,
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and some other leaders, including Friedrich Mertz of Germany has paid tribute to China's tech advance recently.
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But the first point is that the West has been very, very slow.
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And I think that comes down to the fact that there hasn't been very much contact,
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especially over the COVID period between the West and China.
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But now I think people are waking up and they're beginning to realize that China is really,
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as Xi Jinping puts it,
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China is undergoing changes unseen in a century.
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And we are seeing a whole new paradigm for the global economy,
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which is going to be based on Chinese leadership in tech and in many other areas.
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So what does that mean then when we're talking about the next frontier in competition?
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If you drill down into the specifics,
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where do you think that the decisive battles are going to be fought?
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I think they'll be fought in all major technologies.
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But if we particularly look at areas like biotechnology,
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pharmaceuticals, China is already moving ahead.
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Of course, we're all familiar with what's happened with electric vehicles.
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China's supremacy is now undoubted,
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but also the batteries that go into electric vehicles.
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China is already number one and gaining market share.
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The issue for companies in Europe
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and in America is Chinese companies are now starting to disrupt some of the biggest companies that we have.
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And so I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that here in Europe,
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many of our largest companies over the next five years will be concerned about their survival,
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literally their survival in the face of Chinese competition.
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And it's not going to.
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Sorry, James, I just wanted to follow up on that on that point that you just made.
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You know, given that, what would be your advice then to to those Europeans and European companies,
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you know, as they navigate this world shaped by U.S.-China tech rivalry and as you've highlighted future Chinese tech dominance?
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Well, this, I think, part of the way forward is shown by what Trump is now doing in Beijing.
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Having spent most of his pre-presidency and most of this term,
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at least at the beginning of it,
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criticizing China, talking about how the US was going to shut down China,
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he's now making nice to China because he realizes that you have to have a hybrid strategy.
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You have to protect your national security interests while at the same time helping your biggest companies address the China market.
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And that's what all of the guys on Trump's plane are trying to do.
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They're trying to sell more to China.
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I think Europe should do the same.
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We need hybrid strategies where we try to help our biggest companies do business in China,
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compete with China outside China,
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and yet also protect our crucial national security interests.
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And that is a balance that I think countries in Europe are only just beginning to get a grips with.
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James King with Chatham House, thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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