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here in the Senate on Capitol Hill,
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here in the Senate on Capitol Hill,
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Senator Bernie Sanders has just announced plans to introduce a new bill
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that would give the government a direct ownership stake in the largest American AI companies.
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Senator Sanders is my source tonight,
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and thank you, Senator, for being here.
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We see what the president signed today.
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Regarding your legislation, can you explain how this would work if the federal government owned half of these AI companies?
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I think the concern all over the country about AI
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is that it is owned and directed by a handful of the wealthiest people in the world,
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Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, and those guys.
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And nobody believes that they have the welfare of the American people at heart.
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They want to get richer and even more powerful.
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So the question is, should we allow a handful of oligarchs to determine literally the future of humanity?
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AI is going to be the most transformational technology in the history of the world.
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So what my legislation will do are several major things.
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Number one, it says that because the foundation of AI is based on all human knowledge,
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all right, AI will absorb what this program is about.
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The five books that I read,
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all the poets, all the scientific work,
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that's what AI is about, okay?
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People who contribute to that deserve some of the wealth that is being created.
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More importantly, we cannot allow just a handful of oligarchs to determine the future.
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If we have 50 percent of public ownership of these companies,
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we can say no to ideas that will lead to mass unemployment,
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invasion of privacy, endangerment of children's health,
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or maybe even an existential threat to the planet if AI becomes independent of human.
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Why do you need to take control of them?
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Why can't you just regulate them,
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tax them as is currently?
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Well, for two reasons.
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Well, one, I think, Javi,
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this is, again, this is the most transformational technology in history,
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and it is based on human knowledge.
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So human beings deserve to be compensated for what they put into AI.
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Second of all, we need to determine the future.
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Can't just be a handful of billionaires.
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That's why.
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I mean, when you look at this in terms of how this works,
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some of these companies might just see this and say,
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if this legislation passes, I'm just going to move my company to another country.
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Well, that's the same.
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That's what they're saying in California about a wealth tax.
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I mean, that's a whole other- You would have deciding power here, the government would.
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Yeah, we think, I think,
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and I think most Americans agree,
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that the future of humanity should not be determined by a handful of the wealthiest people on earth.
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That the public in a democratic process should have input into the way the world is going to move.
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And also, you know, you talked about the American people deserving part of the profits from this,
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part of the money from this.
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The president has signed an executive order about creating a sovereign wealth fund for the United States.
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I mean, that's what you're suggesting here.
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The Trump administration also has equity now,
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equity stakes in, I think,
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more than 20 private companies.
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How is what you're doing different than what the president is doing?
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Well, it is radically different.
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And by the way, the idea of a sovereign wealth fund is not a radical idea.
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You know, Norway has a fund based on their oil revenue of over $2 trillion.
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But from the revenues.
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From their revenues.
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They don't have a controlling stake in the actual companies.
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Right, right.
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And Alaska, by the way,
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the state of Alaska, also has a sovereign wealth fund where they distribute money based on oil revenue as well.
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But oil is a natural resources,
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and so is human labor.
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All of the contributions that humanity has made into AI deserves to be compensated,
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and people deserve to get that wealth redistributed back to them.
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But is this an area where you see agreement with the president?
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Well, the president says a whole lot of stuff.
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I happen not to trust much of what he says.
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But I'm talking about sovereign wealth fund.
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The concept of a sovereign wealth fund is not a radical idea.
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It exists.
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I think there are at least 100 of them around the world.
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Again, bottom line is people have the foundation of AI is the knowledge that human beings have contributed.
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We deserve to be compensated.
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Second of all, we need to put breaks on AI when it leads to mass unemployment,
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endangering children's health, etc. You know,
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when you look at this,
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if this plan existed right now,
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if this legislation went through and passed,
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you know, what you have described,
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this technology that you've said is a threat to everything the American people hold dear,
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I believe was your exact quote.
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I mean, the president and Republican majorities would have deciding factors in these companies.
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That's true.
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But on the other hand, that is democracy.
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And I hope very much that President Trump and the Republicans will not be in power for that much longer.
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But at the end of the day,
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I'm just saying if it passed.
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Well, all right.
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So the question is, do we want Democratic control?
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Or do we want Mr. Musk and a handful of billionaires to make those decisions?
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I prefer the democracy where people still could have impact on Republicans, on Mr. Trump.
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You can't have that impact on the CEOs of these large corporations.
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Sam Altman is going to be in Washington.
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I believe tomorrow he's got meetings lined up.
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I know at the White House,
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I believe with some of your colleagues.
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Are you going to be meeting with him?
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay.
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And are you going to talk to him about your legislation?
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Who set that meeting up?
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He did.
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And do you think it was because of this? Who knows?
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What are you going to say to him?
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What am I going to say to him?
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I'll say to him tomorrow what I'll say to him. But,
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I mean, what we will discuss is the need for a moratorium
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so that we can have a democratic debate and discussion about the future of AI,
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talk about that.
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We will talk about the need for international cooperation so that we do not have a super intelligence,
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super AI created, which can escape human control.
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I'm just wondering what he's going to say when you,
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I mean, in your video announcing your legislation,
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you said the time has come to reclaim what has been stolen from us.
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Yes.
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Since AI is built on the collective knowledge of humanity,
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the wealth it generates must also benefit humanity,
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not just Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos.
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That's right.
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Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison.
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You didn't name Sam Altman there,
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but I assume he's in that category.
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Put him in, yeah.
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I mean, how do you think he views you saying reclaim what was stolen from us?
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Well, I don't know how he will respond.
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That is my view.
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That is the foundation of AI.
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Your program is going to be part of AI.
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This discussion is part of AI.
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Do you think the people in the world who contributed,
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who created, in a sense,
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the knowledge that is AI deserve to be compensated?
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I do.
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You know, people might watch this
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and think that's a really radical idea in terms of the government having this ownership stake in this.
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But I mean, we haven't seen a ton of criticism from Republicans for the president taking these stakes
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that they've taken in more than 20 companies.
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I think, look, AI is so consequential and so transformational that I think the American people are sitting back and saying,
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wait a minute, we cannot just allow these guys to re-alter society.
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We have got to have some input in that.
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And you are seeing that,
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Caitlin, right now all over this country in terms of opposition to data centers.
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And I think clearly a significant part of that opposition is people don't want to pay higher electric bills.
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They're worried about the noise, the environmental impact.
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But I think in the back of people's minds saying,
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hey, are my kids going to be able to have any jobs?
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Is my daughter going to be hooked up to some AI bots in an emotional relationship?
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Are millions of jobs going to be wiped out?
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People are very worried about AI.
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They want some input into how it unfolds in the future.
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So Sam Altman will be on Capitol Hill tomorrow.
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You'll be meeting with him.
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We'll see what happens there.
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