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Good morning, Vietnam.
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Welcome to the newest episode of Vietnam Innovators.
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I'm your host, Hal.
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As you can see, we've changed things up.
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This is a special pre-vet episode.
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We have decided to not only refresh the show format, but also the set.
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So you can see behind me a few changes have been made.
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So including the books, perhaps also the...
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I have a frame here with all the hotel key cards that the team has stayed at and a few more things.
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So just some personal affections that I hope add some personality to the show moving forward.
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So as the new year and the new season comes along, look out for a fresh new Vietnam Innovators.
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In the meantime, I wanted to also highlight
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that today's show is a special one because it's not really with a business leader, it's not with someone that lives or works in Vietnam, but rather it's a guest that's very special to me
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but also to the company his name is calvin lamb he
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doesn't live here he's not a business leader he's not someone that works
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or lives here perhaps in the future he was our first ever intern at vietcetera back in 2017
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that summer so welcome calvin it's been seven almost eight years since you were here last time
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and you've now returned you've been staying with me for a couple Share with me your initial reflections
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and maybe an intro to the audience as well.
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Yeah, honored to be here.
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That's how I mentioned a great intro.
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I'm Calvin.
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How and I met a few years back.
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We went to the same college, Brown, and he found me through the Vietnamese Students Association at Brown, where I came to Vissetera.
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First interned and back then, really small company, no one even knew about it.
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I think four or five employees and we didn't have an office.
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I worked out of the Vissetera cafe on Wing Team and Kai.
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Back then, the intimate environment was super sweet.
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I got to work really closely with Hao, Gi, the founders, and yes, all hands on deck.
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Had some meetings in Hao's apartment, put the slide deck on his TV.
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Yeah, a lot of good memories.
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I was working as a software engineer at Coinbase, a little bit about myself.
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Currently seeking new opportunities here in Vietnam, elsewhere, particularly interested in music and also developing,
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participating in Vietnam's growth as a country.
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Cool, Calvin.
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Yeah.
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You know, having you on the show is a special one too, because it's coming up on our eight year anniversary, which for the audience to know,
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we'll be doing an episode on Vietnam innovators about that in the coming months.
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But Calvin, you know, I remember the first time that we met, it was through a video call, I believe.
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And it was May, I want to say May 2017.
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Guy, my co founder and I were deciding whether or not to start building a team.
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So we decided the first approach would be to actually hire interns because it's less risk.
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Interns are high energy, really want to try new things.
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And we wanted to test ourselves, too, in terms of like management.
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Are we ready for that?
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Are we ready to work with a team?
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So obviously you were one of the first, if not the first.
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And my first memory of you was like, wow, there's this kid that's like 18 years old who is
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willing to come all the way out here as a VQ, too.
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You're Vietnamese American.
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So my question is, like, for someone that was raised in the West and you had never been to Vietnam before, what was going through your head?
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Why did you want to choose Vietnam specifically, not even Vietcetera, but just in general?
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Yeah, good question.
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I think a lot of it comes down to a personal connection to the culture.
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I was at Brown.
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I was part of the Vietnamese Students Association there.
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I participated all four years, was president and senior advisor and to me coming back to Vietnam having never been there
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and my parents of course came to the US as refugees when they were young.
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To me it's personal to be frank.
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It's learning more about the language, the food, the culture.
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Personal reasons aside though I think VidSetter provided an interesting opportunity to explore that.
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I mean honestly I didn't know much about you at the time.
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You were pretty...
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Yeah, my mom was pretty scared.
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Why was she scared?
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She was scared.
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I was like, my mom hasn't returned to Vietnam since coming to the US and her...
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That was in like the 70s.
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Yeah, I think so.
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And she might have been back in the 90s once, but regardless, her image of the nation is, you know, war-torn, impoverished.
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At least the Vietnam I see today, Saigon, it's, you know, it's not fully there yet, but it's going very fast.
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And things are looking better.
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But back then, yeah, I told her I'm going to Vietnam to work, and I said, there's this guy, Hao Tran, he has his company, Vietcetera, and then I tried to send her some of your LinkedIn socials,
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and it looked really suspicious.
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You didn't have, Vietcetera was just starting, right?
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You didn't have a presence.
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She's like, why are you following this random dude to Vietnam?
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And I was like, come on.
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The only connection that kind of made sense, I was like, oh, he's also a Brown alum.
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So that made her feel a bit more secure?
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A bit more.
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That's the only thing, right?
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That's the only thing that, because I was like, hey, there's this company Visetta, and no one knows about it.
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Yeah, so our alumni was the only reason.
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Yeah, back then.
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Wow, okay.
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That's amazing.
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you did with Vietcetera and at Brown was I think a great start you know.
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Just going out there and recruiting interns you mean or?
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Yeah I mean.
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A little context, every year I used to go in the fall which I'll probably continue again this year.
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I would go to school campuses, not a lot.
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I'd start with Brown maybe a few others and recruit interns from the Vietnamese student associations.
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I don't, again I haven't done that in a few years but I think this year I will.
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Yeah we used to host I post how every year at the Brown Vietnamese Student Association and it's awesome.
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Howard comes back and talks to everyone and I give him a great intro.
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It works because, you know, so first I trust Vizetra because you're from Brown and I trust Brown.
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And then after you've built me into your network, the kids at the Vietnamese Student Association, they trust me.
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So when you come back, you say, hey, Calvin interned here.
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Calvin has a successful background and they trust me.
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So you're building that social capital, right?
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A lot of VQs, their parents, I mean, I'm sure you can relate, but our parents came to the U.S for a better opportunity.
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So there's that kind of overarching idea that the U.S still has the best opportunity,
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where I think, I don't think you can say that in every, like, you can't say that point blank anymore.
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I wouldn't, I would go so far as to say, like, it surpasses the American opportunities in some sense.
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I think the way to reach the VQ and to change
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that kind of perception maybe is to do something like you did in the sense that we need someone trusted.
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A professional kind of...
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Professional, like a traditionally successful VQ like you who went to Brown and to come back and say,
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oh, it's legit.
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Vietnam's legit.
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There's real opportunities for like American, like Western educated, successful people like you.
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Like it's not just in the US.
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We need some bridge.
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We need some bridge.
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Right, right.
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Some case studies, whatever you want to call it.
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Yeah.
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Someone we can relate to.
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All right.
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Okay.
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And what were your first thoughts when you were getting on that plane?
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Like you also chose a place to live, but of course you didn't even really know the neighborhood you were living in and all that.
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What were some initial first questions that you had, like navigating pre-physically being here?
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For context, I picked going to VisTether that summer over a more traditional software engineering tech internship in Boston.
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Paid a regular wage, you know, it was kind of traditional, traditional.
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Could you tell us how we first paid you?
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Yeah, yeah, that was a funny story.
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I mean, it was agreed upon, but I put in the hard two months of work, two, three months of work.
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Not the best intern, for sure.
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How can I test?
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I think I had a few good articles that summer about, I interviewed Irvay Vu Russel, AI leader here.
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There was like a Burmese guy that led the expats group here that interviewed.
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Anyways, I think I had the top articles for the interns.
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But end of the summer, all this hard work's done.
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Howe and I have a conversation.
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He's like, hey, you want your conversation in US dollars or dumb?
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And I was like, dude, dollars? and then reaches into his back pocket, pulls out three 100s, gives it to me, and I head on the flight home.
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Wow.
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And yet, there's no W-2, there's nothing.
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There's no official record that I worked here, except those $300 bills.
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Do you still have them?
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I probably spent them.
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Oh, you should have framed it.
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Yeah, actually, I didn't know Good Sutter would become the success.
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It was more just like...
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Did you think we'd go bankrupt?
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It was hard to say.
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We were slumming it.
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We work at Vietzsadar Cafe, we work at various cafes in the city, random ones.
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We're just like homeless.
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We're like homeless.
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We're like going around the city, finding somewhere that has a Wi-Fi.
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That's amazing.
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Yeah, so for the context guys, the Vietzsadar Cafe, we had it back like 7-8 years ago, but it closed after just about a year.
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We are looking to do more in the future though, so stay tuned about that.
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Calvin, walk us through the first people you met in Vietnam.
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And I also want to compare it to eight years ago versus today.
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So again, you've returned to Vietnam for the first time in eight years.
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You're just visiting again for two weeks.
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How have the people changed?
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Have you noticed any changes in the people you're meeting, their behaviors, what they're thinking,
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what they're saying, Vietnamese, foreigners, anything?
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For context, this time I've visited, honestly I've definitely made the most of my time.
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I've met a lot of VQs through the overseas Vietnamese Vietcetera conference.
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Obviously I've met a lot of Vietnamese locals too.
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I have some friends here that I'm catching up with.
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I've met a lot of foreigners as well.
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So I think I've gone, as much as you can in two weeks, gotten a good lay of the land in terms of what people are thinking.
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I think Vietnamese people in the country is developing its own national identity, a real pride in the people and culture.
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I've seen that reflected on the individual level, like with locals, being really proud of the food and the language.
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And I've also seen it reflected in a corporate setting.
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We met with Tech...
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I got to tour Techcom Bank with part of the OV conference and Vio there is like a VP of talent.
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And just if you listen to the way she talks and the way she, I guess, advertises Techcom Bank to VQs,
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to foreigners, it's clear that she and the company are not catering to foreigners, not catering to VQs.
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understand their value prop, that Techcom Bank is a valuable company to work for, and that Vietnam is a valuable economy to participate in.
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And that, yeah, it's clear that she, I don't know, she's proud of, you know, what they're doing here in Vietnam.
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And like, if you want to join, she will welcome you if you have the right talents.
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But yeah, she's not catering or like pandering to anything.
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Trying to compromise.
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Compromise.
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No, it's just kind of what it is.
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Yeah, it's what it is.
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It's great, but it's not for everybody.
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Exactly.
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to participate in Vietnam's rise per se.
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Exactly.
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And along that theme, like, when I talk to locals here, I hear similar sentiments of, you know, there being a lot of opportunity in Vietnam and,
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you know, a lot of young Vietnamese locals even want to be entrepreneurs and wanting to come back to Vietnam and contribute.
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Yeah, it's amazing.
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Okay.
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Please protect yourself today by taking care of HPV and checking.
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more.
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Over those eight years, how has your career progressed
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and have you always had Asia slash Vietnam in the back of your mind?
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And also, what is it?
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What's your thinking today now that you've resigned from Coinbase after three years?
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What do you want to be doing next?
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Is there any relation to Vietnam, perhaps?
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On the Asia part, always been interested in Asia.
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My first college internship at Vitsetra.
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I also did an intensive study abroad in Beijing, Princeton in Beijing.
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I'm Vietnamese Chinese, born in America, but fluent in Vietnamese, fluent in Mandarin.
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But there's a lot happening in Asia, and it's especially in Southeast Asia.
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Like one can see kind of, you know, I don't know where Vietnam's headed, but even if you walk around the city, you see a lot of the traditional way of living still,
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the hams and the street food and all this, like, you know, it seems like to be coexisting with the new developments,
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high rises, maybe, you know, nicer bars, hotels, all this stuff.
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And I think both will continue to coexist.
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And I think as Vietnam develops, it will seek to maintain ties with its old identity.
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And just I think there's a lot of interesting questions there to dig into, which is kind of what piques my interest, at least with Vietnam.
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Let's talk about what you just mentioned, keeping to its old identity.
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So I'll take it from two perspectives.
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So what Vietnamese consider old identity, traditional, let's say, but also what foreigners, how they see it.
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So, for instance, foreigners, they love, some certain tourists love the idea of traveling to Vietnam or being here because of the architecture,
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the French colonial architecture.
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Maybe it's about the history of the country.
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But then Vietnamese, they don't actually care that much about that, I would say.
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We're talking history from, like, even way back.
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We're talking like ancient history and back in the dynasties and like traditional, like even Aoyai today, actually, like we're wearing, right?
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Foreigners don't think about Aoyai.
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Actually, this is my first ever Aoyai, literally, and it's been eight years of living here.
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I still consider myself more of a foreigner, but it's almost like a discovery to be more Vietnamese.
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I was with a friend yesterday who spent 15 years abroad and just came back to Vietnam.
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And I told her, let's go rediscover Vietnam.
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And her reaction was quite remarkable, funny when saying that, because what does that mean?
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And I pose that question to you, Calvin.
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What does rediscovering Vietnam slash being Vietnamese mean to you?
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Is it admiring the French colonial architecture or is it more like, and that's important too, or is it as simple as wearing an au yi and speaking?
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You mentioned your ambition is to learn more business advanced Vietnamese.
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Vietnamese?
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Yeah, it's a tough question for sure.
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The question of, I guess, how do I appreciate the culture?
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And how do I view this Vietnamese culture like being Vietnamese myself, but growing up abroad?
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It's something I've grappled with a lot.
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I think at the end of the day, what matters is that whether you're a foreigner, whether you're a VQ, whether you're local, if you come to the culture with respect,
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if you come to the culture wanting to learn more and wanting to appreciate it, like, I think it's there for you to appreciate.
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Personally, I grew up in San Jose where there's a lot of Vietnamese VQs.
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So growing up, Vietnamese identity is not too important, to be honest.
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I don't care.
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It's surrounded by me.
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Going to Brown, there's not many Vietnamese, as you know how.
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So a friend
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and I took it upon ourselves to kind of reboot the Vietnamese Students Association at Brown
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and kind of take the helm on that.
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I mean, you don't know you lost something until it's gone.
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And so when I lost that Vietnamese culture that I had growing up in San Jose, at Brown, I sought to reconnect with it.
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Now, after, I guess this goes back to my professional background, but I just spent a few years working on a software engineer at Coinbase.
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Before that, I had done a lot of software engineering internships.
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These things aren't necessarily tied to Vietnamese culture at all or in any way.
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So, you know, again, I guess losing touch with it.
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So now wanting to reconnect.
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And as you mentioned, I'd like to accelerate my Vietnamese language this summer.
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Yeah, I struggled to find that when I was first here.
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I did find mentors and people I looked up to that were significantly older, like Guy, co-founder of Vietcetera.
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He is 16, 17 years older than me.
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So he obviously had done it, but again, much older.
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And it's not like there were many of them either.
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And if they were, they were much older.
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So I remember being one of the very few early 20-year-olds wandering around Vietnam trying to do something.
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I think you find a lot more now.
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Not many as early 20s.
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I think a lot of late 20s, like 27 to 35.
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There's quite a few now.
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I see mostly from Europe, actually, Vietnamese-Europeans.
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Vietnamese-Americans still not very much.
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It might be the time zone or other opportunity cost.
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But actually on that point, too, I see a lot of Vietnamese overseas who come from Eastern,
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like Europe, or regional, like Japan, Korea.
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And I see that because their ties to Vietnam are a bit closer.
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Whereas I think really Western Vietnamese overseas,
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like us from America, our parents' generation still don't really see an opportunity in Vietnam for their kids, right?
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At least that's just from my observation.
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Well, I think to your point, Vietcetera is doing, and to be frank, not just because I worked here, but Vietcetera is doing work on that front, you know?
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Even when I spoke to a lot of Vietnamese Germans at the conference just now, the OV conference, a lot of them say that, oh, even Vietnamese Russians, like,
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Vietcetera is the only English speaking content about Vietnam that allows them to connect with the culture.
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Right, right.
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When I was growing up, I don't think I was reading anything Vietnamese media.
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I wasn't either.
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Reading or watching.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And it's showcasing good stuff.
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Like you guys talking about like the good brands here, good places to go.
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So it is like, it's a step in the right direction.
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What are your last reflections on how you see your participation in Vietnam as a physical place moving forward?
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Do you see coming back here more often, potentially working at some point, maybe not immediately?
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What are your initial thoughts on that?
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Coming back to Vietnam the second time has been truly inspiring across industries.
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I love seeing Vietnam grow.
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Vietnamese music, the music scene is popping here, space speakers, in queue.
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I'm seeing Vietnamese food and beverage growing.
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I'm seeing Vietnamese corporate continued success and continued growth
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and the vigor of the Vietnamese people honestly makes me want to come back
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and use the talents I have to push the country forward.
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Yeah, so, you know, seeing the work that's being done, that's been done, and that kind of gets me thinking on what can be done,
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how I can fit into this puzzle, and how I can best use my talents to help.
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So it's inspiring, man.
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It's inspiring.
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Awesome.
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Well, Calvin, thank you so much for sharing.
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And I know we're super crunched for time, and I'm sorry for the guests that want to hear more from Calvin.
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We'll just have to drag him back to Vietnam at some point to share more.
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Calvin, thank you so much again for coming out to the studio this morning and sharing.
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And really nice Aoi Yai, thank you for wearing that and convincing me to do the same.
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Love the Aoi Yai.
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That's it.
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Yeah, thank you.
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Okay, you too.
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Thank you everyone for tuning in for another episode of Vietnam Innovators.
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This was a special episode with Calvin just before celebrating the death, Lunar New Year.
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So I hope you enjoy your time with your family and friends and best wishes for the new year as well.
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And see you next time.
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Bye-bye, guys.
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Take care.
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Wortschatz und Sprechhinweise zu dieser Lektion
Diese Sprechübung auf Niveau B2 basiert auf dem Video „Gặp gỡ thực tập sinh đầu tiên của Vietcetera - Kalvin Lam, Software Engineer, Coinbase“. Dieses Video enthält 314 Sätze und 3561 Wörter zum Nachsprechen. Der gesprochene Teil dauert 20:45. Der Sprecher spricht in natürlichem Tempo, etwa 172 Wörter pro Minute, ähnlich wie im Alltagsgespräch. 82 % der Wörter gehören zu den 3.000 häufigsten im Englischen; den Rest solltest du dir vor dem Üben ansehen.
Wichtiger Wortschatz in diesem Video
Die 15 anspruchsvollsten Wörter aus dem Video, mit Aussprache und Bedeutung:
| Wort | Aussprache | Bedeutung |
|---|---|---|
| foreigner Substantiv | /ˈfɔɹ.ɪ.nɚ/ | Ausländer, Ausländerin |
| intern Substantiv | /ˈɪntɝn/ | Praktikant, Praktikantin |
| innovator Substantiv | /ˈɪnəˌveɪtəɹ/ | Innovator, Innovatorin |
| café Substantiv | /ˌkæˈfeɪ/ | Café, Kaffeehaus |
| internship Substantiv | /ˈɪntɜːnʃɪp/ | Praktikum, Stage |
| catering Substantiv | /ˈkeɪ.tɚ.ɪŋ/ | Verpflegung, Nahrungsversorgung |
| intro Substantiv | /ˈɪntɹoʊ/ | intro |
| inspire Verb | /ɪnˈspaɪə(ɹ)/ | inspirieren |
| scare Verb | /skɛɚ/ | erschrecken, beängstigen |
| coexist Verb | /ˌkoʊ.ɪɡˈzɪst/ | koexistieren |
| rediscover Verb | wiederentdecken, neu entdecken | |
| fluent Adjektiv | /ˈfluənt/ | fließend |
| recruit Verb | /ɹɪˈkɹut/ | rekrutieren, anwerben |
| legit Adjektiv | /lɪˈd͡ʒɪt/ | legal, rechtmäßig |
| compromise Substantiv | /ˈkɑmpɹəˌmaɪz/ | Kompromiss, Ausgleich |
Phrasal Verbs, die du hören wirst
| Wort | Bedeutung |
|---|---|
| come back Verb | zurückkommen, zurückkehren |
| grow up Verb | aufwachsen, erwachsen werden |
| move forward Verb | vorantreiben, vorwärtstreiben |
| come along Verb | mitgehen |
| go out Verb | hinausgehen, herausgehen |
| look up to Verb | aufblicken zu, aufschauen zu |
Sätze zum Wiederholen
Kurze, vollständige Sätze aus dem Video, die du im Alltag wiederverwenden kannst:
- Are we ready for that?
- Are we ready to work with a team?
- Could you tell us how we first paid you?
- Do you still have them?
- Did you think we'd go bankrupt?
Grammatik in diesem Video
Die Strukturen, die der Sprecher am häufigsten verwendet, mit den genauen Worten aus dem Video:
| Struktur | Im Video |
|---|---|
| „Used to“ used to + Verb – eine frühere Gewohnheit oder ein Zustand, der nicht mehr gilt | used to go · used to host |
| Present Perfect have/has + Partizip Perfekt – eine vergangene Handlung, die jetzt noch wichtig ist | we've changed · have decided · have been made |
| Passiv be + Partizip Perfekt – wichtig ist, was geschieht, nicht wer es tut | have been made · was raised · was agreed |
Aussprache, auf die du achten solltest
Der Sprecher verwendet 72 Kurzformen und abgeschwächte Formen, zum Beispiel don't, I'm, I've. Sprich sie in der kurzen Form, so wie du sie hörst.
- Die Laute „sh“ und „zh“: internship /ˈɪntɜːnʃɪp/, reflection /ɹɪˈflɛkʃən/, impoverish /ɪmˈpɒv(ə)ɹɪʃ/, refresh /ɹɪˈfɹɛʃ/, ambition /æmˈbɪʃ.ən/
- Lange Wörter – auf die Betonung achten: innovator /ˈɪnəˌveɪtəɹ/, impoverish /ɪmˈpɒv(ə)ɹɪʃ/, overarching /ˌoʊvəɹˈɑɹt͡ʃɪŋ/, accelerate /ɪkˈsɛl.əˌɹeɪt/, entrepreneur /ˌɑn.tɹə.pɹəˈnɝ/
Laute, die Deutschsprachigen schwerfallen:
- /w/ — mit runden Lippen, nicht wie das deutsche „w“ (/v/): wander /ˈwɑndɚ/, anyways /ˈɛn.iˌweɪz/
- Stimmhafter Auslaut — /b/, /d/, /g/, /z/, /v/ am Wortende nicht verhärten: compromise /ˈkɑmpɹəˌmaɪz/, advertise /ˈædvɚˌtaɪ̯z/, beverage /ˈbɛv(ə)ɹɪd͡ʒ/, surround /səˈɹaʊnd/, anyways /ˈɛn.iˌweɪz/
- /æ/ — offener als „ä“: café /ˌkæˈfeɪ/, grapple /ˈɡɹæpəl/, pander /ˈpændə/, surpass /sɚˈpæs/, advertise /ˈædvɚˌtaɪ̯z/
So übst du mit diesem Video
- Höre dir das ganze Video einmal an, ohne zu sprechen, und notiere die Wörter, die du nicht kennst.
- Beginne mit 0,75-facher Geschwindigkeit, sprich Satz für Satz nach und wechsle zur normalen Geschwindigkeit, sobald es leichtfällt.
- Nimm dich auf und vergleiche mit dem Original; achte dabei auf Wörter wie foreigner, intern, innovator.
Was ist die Shadowing-Technik?
Shadowing ist eine wissenschaftlich fundierte Sprachlerntechnik, die ursprünglich für die professionelle Dolmetscherausbildung entwickelt und durch den Polyglotten Dr. Alexander Arguelles populär gemacht wurde. Die Methode ist einfach aber wirkungsvoll: Du hörst englisches Audio von Muttersprachlern und wiederholst es sofort laut — wie ein Schatten, der dem Sprecher mit nur 1–2 Sekunden Verzögerung folgt. Anders als passives Hören oder Grammatikübungen zwingt Shadowing dein Gehirn und deine Mundmuskulatur, gleichzeitig echte Sprachmuster zu verarbeiten und zu reproduzieren. Studien zeigen, dass es Aussprachegenauigkeit, Intonation, Rhythmus, verbundene Sprache, Hörverständnis und Sprechflüssigkeit signifikant verbessert — was es zu einer der effektivsten Methoden für die IELTS Speaking-Vorbereitung und reale englische Kommunikation macht.