シャドーイング練習: คุยภาษาอังกฤษกับเอกอัครราชทูตอังกฤษประจำประเทศไทย Mark Gooding | คำนี้ดี Feat. EP.31 - 動画で英語スピーキングを学ぶ

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my name is Bick, And welcome to the show.

Today we've got a great pleasure to talk with the Ambassador of the United Kingdom to Thailand.

Mr. Mark Gooding. Welcome to the show.

Thanks very much for having me.

Thank you so much. It's such a pleasure because..

- I've heard great things about you. - Thank you.

Thank you so much for having us here.

It's good to be here Okay all right so, Are you used to Bangkok or Thailand's weather yet?

It's pretty hot up here today.

Yes, I mean this time of year is particularly hot, but I'm pretty used to it, to be honest.

It's not my first time living in a hot climate.

I used to live in Sri Lanka and Cambodia.

But also I grew up in the UK, and we have- The weather is much cooler in Winter. It can be quite cold and wet.

So, actually having warm weather is quite a pleasure for me.

Okay and actually this is- We learned that this is not your first time in Thailand back to the year 1994, that was actually the first time that you came here as a backpacker when you first was a student, right?

What kind of difference do you see and what do you remember about that trip about Thailand?

Well, you're right I was a student backpacker, and this was the first time I'd left Europe.

So, it was an amazing experience.

I spent several weeks traveling around Thailand from the North in Chiang Mai to Sukhothai.

And then down south, I went to Koh Samui.

And of course, I spent some time in Bangkok as well.

So, it was an amazing experience for a young person.

- How long was your trip? - I think it was about a month I was here.

That's enough for you to see - ...how people actually live and spend their lives. - Exactly So, I met lots of people.

I learned a little bit about Thailand and the history and the culture, but I'd say coming back now, I've been back many times over the years and just seeing how quickly Thailand has developed.

So, here in Bangkok, there was no Sky Train 30 years ago.

Long ago, elevated highways were not here.

So, a lot of economic development is plain to see, but actually...

what I most like is that the things I really enjoyed about Thailand 30 years ago are still completely true.

So it's the warm welcome, wonderful food, amazing culture and history, and also a lot of the historical sites.

I've visited again this time.

And they're still just as charming and important as before.

So, a couple of months ago, I went back to Sukhothai for the first time in 30 years.

It was like, it hadn't changed at all. So, everything I enjoyed about it is just- absolutely a wonderful place to visit of History very beautiful.

It felt like I was 30 years ago.

Oh that's nice, so you mentioned- you've lived in Sri Lanka before in Cambodia.

So, what do you remember about Sri Lanka?

Well, actually I lived in Sri Lanka twice.

After I graduated from University, I became a teacher at an international school in Sri Lanka for a couple of years.

So that was in the 1990s, and then I went back 10 years later- as our Deputy High Commissioner to Sri Lanka.

Sri Lanka was a very beautiful country.

It's got beautiful beaches, beautiful countryside as well.

Obviously, it's got a very close and interesting history with the UK.

At the time I was living there though there was a civil war going on.

So and this started in the early 1980s.

So, there was quite a lot of violence, some terrorist attacks.

So, that was a feature that was difficult for everybody living in Sri Lanka at the time, although.

Now, of course the situation in terms of security is much better.

But, overall I have extremely fond memories of Sri Lanka, and I'm hoping at some point soon I'll get the chance to go back.

How about Cambodia any fond memories over there?

Yeah, I mean Cambodia was a, I was an Ambassador there.

So, it was my first Ambassador job.

I think from a professional point of view, it was a huge opportunity it was exciting.

It's... living in Phnom Penh was fun.

It's got a lot of obviously French influence.

So, there were lots of cafes, restaurants, some of which have French influence.

But it was a real time of opportunity I think.

The UK has a very quickly growing relationship with Cambodia.

Both on the economic and trade side but also the political side.

So, I remember it was being an exciting time- with lots of New Opportunities.

Did you also live in Beijing?

I did Beijing and Shanghai.

So, yes I've been I lived in China twice for a total of six years.

And, before I moved to Beijing the first time I learned Chinese, which was enormously helpful.

So, just being able to speak Chinese in China is important as a foreigner, because you understand a little bit more about it.

Is it hard to learn?

Chinese is very hard to learn.

I mean for an English native speaker, there are two things that are particularly difficult.

First of all, the tones. we don't have tones in English.

And, second, writing- which is obviously character based.

And so I think in total there are over 50,000 Chinese characters.

So just having to learn them, there are sort of patterns that you can learn.

But it is complicated for an English native speaker.

It's like the total difference from- the English language you have to start from scratch basically.

That's right.

But since you knew Chinese before, so it must be somewhat not that difficult for you- to learn Thai language which is also the tonal language right?

Yes, so learning Chinese I would say the most useful thing about- having learned Chinese and other languages in the past- is that you learn how you learn.

For instance, when I learn a language I remember what I see, much more than I remember what I hear.

So, if I'm learning vocabulary or writing I have to see it. I can't just be told what a word means.

And so actually learning how my brain works is really important.

and I would say that to all language Learners just- think about how you learn effectively.

Right.

But in terms of the languages, yes I mean Chinese's tone also- that helps in terms of training your ear to ear tones.

And I would say that Chinese grammar has some similarities to Thai grammar, in terms of sentence structures and things.

But actually on vocabulary, Chinese is not much help, as I mean Thai has completely different roots.

Yeah a lot of different you have to also.. So I have to start from scratch on vocabulary.

So how long have you been away to...

From the UK, especially have you been back to the UK since the queen passed?

I have yes. So, It was back in late October early November.

I usually try to go back two or three times a year.

Do you see any difference, um..

Now that you have the king and, It's a huge change in so many years.

Yeah, it was I mean when her late Majesty Queen Elizabeth died, she was in her late 90s. So...

she had been on Monarch for over 70 years- rather like King Rama the ninth had been Monarch here for 70 years.

For people who have my generation, most British people had never known another Monarch.

So, it is of course a huge change.

What really struck me being here in Thailand was the- amount of affection and, affiliation that people expressed. So, we had literally thousands of people coming to- the Embassy to pay condolences.

I received many senior politicians, business Leader, members of the royal family who paid condolences as well.

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So, I think around the world there was a real- affection for Queen Elizabeth, and a real sadness at her passing.

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We now have King Charles III, which I think we've got a coronation on the 6th of May, So that will be a moment of Celebration. Yes, it's coming right up, I think on the 10th.

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On the 6th. The 6th in London.

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We're having an event here in Thailand on the 10th.

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So you don't get to go back to the coronation. I Won't go back for the coronation, no, but...

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we hope to welcome VIPs from around the world.

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But this will be a moment of celebration for the UK.

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It will be about celebrating the diversity of the UK, we have a very a diverse and Cosmopolitan Society.

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It will be a moment to celebrate sustainability, this is a real passion of King Charles III.

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So, Environmental Protection making sure that we- live in a sustainable way.

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But, also celebrate all of the UK, Scotland, England, Wales, Northern Ireland, the component nations of the UK.

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We celebrate that as well.

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So, I think, this is a real moment for the UK, to celebrate and look forward to the future.

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So what else is going to be special about this coronation in particular?

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Well, the most special thing to be honest is the fact is the first one in 70 years, so most British people have never experienced the coronation before.

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So I think...

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as I say It'll be a moment of Celebration.

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People will watch with interests from around the world.

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We'll think about the future in terms of how the UK develops as well as our relationships internationally as well as the main coronation ceremony on the 6th of May, there are other events in the UK. There'll be a big concert on the 7th of May.

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There's an event for volunteers on the 8th of May.

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So there'll be different elements over the long weekend.

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Tell us more about the volunteer on the 8th?

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I don't have the details to hand, but it'll be an event to encourage people to volunteer and demonstrate what they've done.

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This also is a very something we'd like to encourage in the UK people- are contributing to society in their communities.

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And what's going to happen on the 10th right here in Bangkok?

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We'll be having a celebration herein Bangkok.

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where we'll invite contacts of the embassy to celebrate.

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It'll be a reception type event.

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But obviously it'll be just after the coronation.

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So we'll be able to enjoy some images and sites of the coronation itself.

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Wow, okay it's going to be nice. It should be.

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We learned that you actually went to...

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Oxford University and you've got a Master's Degree in Modern Languages.

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So, how did you go from there...

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to being an ambassador in Bangkok?

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Okay, well it took a while.

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It's not something that happens quickly I would say.

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When I graduated as I mentioned I was a teacher for two years in Sri Lanka.

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And then I worked for a year in a pharmaceutical company.

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And that then at a time do you see yourself as an Ambassador or Diplomat?

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A Diplomat, yes Ambassador possibly, but...

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I wasn't sure.

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But I mean the main reason I applied to join the British foreign office was..

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I was very interested in international Affairs.

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I liked travel and living overseas.

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I was interested in politics as well.

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Maybe it was a good match for my interests and that match was to be a Diplomat.

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I didn't join the foreign office and think oh I'm going to be an Ambassador.

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But I think over the years, I've done lots of jobs in London, focused mostly on Europe policy.

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I've done lots of postings in Asia as well, so I've developed some regional knowledge of this part of the world.

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As you gain more experience in different jobs, You can take on more responsibility, So, I've done sort of team leader roles.

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I've done Deputy Ambassador roles, I've done director roles in London.

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You build your experience.

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For me, Thailand was a very good match, given my regional experience.

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So.. um.. I think everybody can feel the same way that the world is changing so fast nowadays.

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So, I guess it should be a lot different- being a Diplomat or an Ambassador now compared to 10 years ago.

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Has your job changed a lot?

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Yes and no, I mean the key elements of being a Diplomat are to understand your country where you're posted to engage and influence people so that I would say it has not changed, but obviously there are new trends which affect the life of a Diplomat. So, in my career over 20 years in the foreign office, we've moved to 24/7 media.

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So, it's no longer the day when- there's a sort of flurry late afternoon to prepare for the evening news bulletins.

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You've got to be responsive to the media all day and deal with information that's shared on social media.

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For example, that you need to monitor and respond to as appropriate.

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There are also other trends globally.

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So the climate change is one issue, we focus even and more on now than we did 10 or 20 years ago although it's been a priority for some time.

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We have technological development.

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For instance, we do a lot of cooperation here in Thailand on cyber security.

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This is a very new area of work.

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but very important as we protect our national infrastructure and data.

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So, there are lots of new trends as well as on technology- that we need to work on.

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So, the substance of what we focus on is evolving all the time.

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But as the basic skills of diplomacy I think are still true.

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A lot more conflicts in the world today.

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Does it mean your job is more critical than ever?

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I think so I mean..

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there are a lot of very pressing conflicts, and most immediately there's the awful conflict in Ukraine, after Russia's illegal invasion.

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So, I think the job of diplomats is very important in terms of- where there are conflicts, understanding the drivers and try to...

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address conflicts in a way that is right, and by right I mean in line with international law which is very relevant to the situation in Ukraine.

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But also in a way that's going to be sustainable.

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So that a conflict, the underlying issues can be addressed.

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so I think the skills of diplomacy are...

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as important as ever.

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There are a lot of talk out there about the technology threat.

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I mean a lot of people start asking...

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can my job be replaced by AI or something like that something along those lines.

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Do you think your job can be replaced by AI?

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It's a very topical question of course and I do think AI has demonstrated that there are certain tasks that can be automated very effectively, especially if they involve the processing large amounts of data.

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but I don't think the job of diplomats can be replaced by AI.

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I think AI can assist the work of diplomats- in terms of processing data as I said.

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Of course Providing information, but being a diplomat relies on judgment, it relies on relationships, and it relies on emotional intelligence as well understanding what people feel.

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So, you mentioned conflicts...

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I don't think there are many conflicts- that can be sold purely through sort of rational data- provision you actually need to understand.

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Sometimes issues of emotion of the identity of history which I think diplomats and humans are best able to do.

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Yeah yeah we still need human touch.

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Yes exactly. For that right.

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Okay so I'll besides your work what do you do for fun?

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I do lots. So, I like to do Sports.

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I'm a keen Runner. I like swimming.

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So, I love running here in Bangkok.

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I like music as well, so I play the piano in London, I'm a member of a big choir.

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and I really like traveling.

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Oh good. How do you and your husband, Chris spend time together?

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Well sometimes doing the above so I mean in Bangkok we like to go out and love walking in the park, love trying different foods, Thai food but we really love traveling as well, so..

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when we get the opportunity, we travel around Thailand.

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We like to travel overseas as well as much as possible.

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Okay so if I ask Chris, Is it hard to be a life partner of an Ambassador or a Diplomat, what do you think he would say?

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Yes and no I think.

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Clearly, when you have to move overseas with your partner's job, there are challenges so, it's you have to the upheaval of moving, it has implications for your own career.

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You have to sort of start again each time you move.

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So that is very challenging.

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Also when we get to a new country, I have a very full schedule, and for a partner of any Diplomat, they sort of find their own lives in a different way, But obviously, there are opportunities as well.

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As I said we love traveling, and we love living overseas, So, the experience of being able to get to know different cultures, different countries.

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And see them in quite a different way from a tourist, because obviously, we're living in different places, and to see a little bit behind the scenes of what goes on.

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I think that's fascinating and something that he enjoys.

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Now you've been in Thailand as an Ambassador for about two years right?

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That's right.

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And you have another two years.

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Yes So you're right in the middle? Yes So, what do you expect your next two year..

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gonna be like?

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I think they're going to be great.

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When I arrived two years ago, it was 2021.

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So, we were in the middle of covid.

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There were lots of restrictions around the world, including here in Thailand, so that was a rather challenging context in which to start.

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Last year of course the- restrictions started to ease, so we've had five British ministers visiting in just over a year.

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We've got real ambitions for the UK in this region.

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We want to build and strengthen our relationships with all countries in the indo-pacific including Thailand on both economic and security issues.

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So, there's a lot of enthusiasm from the UK side and UK government to build the relationship.

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And I think there are huge opportunities in the next two years, and we've got opportunities on the trade side, So, last year we set up a joint economic and trade committee which is looking at how we can- tackle Market access barriers in both directions.

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There are huge opportunities on the political side.

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So, we're hoping to welcome more British ministers here, in the coming months particularly after the election here.

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There's opportunities for collaboration on all sorts of security issues.

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I mentioned cyber there's counter-terrorism defense, regional security is a big issue with- the situation in Myanmar. For example, so...

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I think it's... there's a real appetite on both sides to...

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engage more and build practical cooperation that benefits all of our citizens.

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And on the personal side, what do you want to do or try or get done- in Thailand before you have to leave?

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Well.. I mean your personal I mean personally I'd like to travel as much as possible in Thailand and visit more provinces.

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And there's still quite a number of places I haven't been, but also I feel that for me the sort of professional goals are- a big part of why I'm here, so..

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building the relationship between the UK and Thailand as I say is something- where there's huge opportunities that will really..

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I really would like to take it forward.

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If you can say something in Thai to Thai people who are watching right now, what would you like to say to them?

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ผมชอบพูดกับคนไทย ผมพยายามพูดภาษาไทยนิดหน่อย ชอบชีวิตในประเทศไทย ชอบพบกับคนไทย That is great.

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Okay, We've got some actually....

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questions from our fans, Okay to ask for your advice.

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Number one.

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From the perspective of a person living in Thailand, for quite some time now, why do you think that gay marriage is still not legalized?

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Well, I mean there were Bills going through parliaments both on equal marriage but also on civil unions which obviously the parliament is now resolved so they will not be enacted this time but I think there are moves to...

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deliver equal marriage in Thailand .

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I would only say that I hope..

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this is something that happens very quickly.

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It happened in the UK.

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in fact I was one of the first couples in the UK to get a civil partnership in 2005.

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And then about 10 years later, we introduced equal marriage and it makes a huge difference.

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Both in terms of legal rights, but also in terms of social recognition- of partnership, so I hope it's something that happens in Thailand very soon.

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I want to become a polyglot like yourself, you speak so many languages any tips?

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Well, I said before about learning how you learn is very good but, I think the most important thing about learning a language is motivation.

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So, think about why you want to learn the language is it because you want to travel somewhere, is it because you want to live somewhere.

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And if that motivation is strong enough, then that will really help you through, it will try because learning a language is difficult and often- I find at the beginning when you're learning you make quite quick progress you can say things very quickly, but then..

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sometimes you sort of hit a bit of a plateau, you feel like you're not making progress you're learning words, but you're still making mistakes.

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So that's the point at which the motivation really comes in.

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So, I would say about 18 months into my Chinese course, I was thinking my goodness this is difficult.

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Am I ever going to get to the sort of fluency.

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But you keep going because you know you want to.

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I love traveling.

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Is it a valid enough reason for someone to become a diplomat?

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No No, of course not That's not all it takes. No no, it's not all it takes.

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But it's one very important thing so you have to be- comfortable with the idea of living overseas, for extended periods So that doesn't work for everybody, so liking travel liking to live overseas.

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Willing to adapt?

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Yeah, exactly so that's one part of it.

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But in terms of being a diplomat, There are many other skills as well as, I say in terms of understanding international relations.

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in having an understanding of foreign cultures societies, knowing about politics as well.

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But also a lot of what we do in an embassy is actually about delivery, so it's either policy delivery where we're trying to build consensus to- cut emissions, for example on climate change.

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But also operational delivery, so we have one of our busiest- Consular Sections in the world here, where we provide assistance to British Nationals.

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And so there are all sorts of...

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practical skills and Leadership skills you need as a diplomat beyond enjoying travel.

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So, which part do you think is the hardest for your job?

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That's a very good question I think the...

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For me, the one of the most important things is really, understanding the local culture, local society, local politics, so I always find there's more to learn.

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The moments in Thailand, we're in an election campaign so I try to understand as much as possible about the different political parties but I'm always conscious of what I don't know as well that you know a lot of the politicians have been in politics for a long time.

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So there's things that have happened in the past, relationships that I need to understand more I think really trying to get below the surface is the key.

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Ambassador Gooding, thank you for your time, thank you so much, it was a great talk.

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Thank you

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