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You said in this book that for everyone who has ever felt underrated or overlooked,
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You said in this book that for everyone who has ever felt underrated or overlooked,
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but it's not just for underdogs,
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you said, Long Shots and Late Bloomers,
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it's all about how we can make sure that we get a chance in schools and teams and workplaces.
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And so what was going on with you that you knew
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that this is the book that the culture needed in this moment?
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I think I just saw a lot of people underestimate others and also underestimate themselves.
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And I think there's nothing sadder than watching motivation and talent get wasted and squandered.
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And I think we still live in a world where people judge themselves
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and other people by how good they are at something when they start.
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And so you pick up a skill and you say,
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well, I didn't master that right away.
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I guess it's not for me.
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And I think that's a huge mistake.
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I saw this demonstrated so powerfully when you were,
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I saw you speaking, and you had used the example of diving.
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Yes, you want to share that story?
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I was so bad at diving, Oprah.
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I think, I don't know if you could see it in the video, but.
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You were in the beginning,
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you were not so good.
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I was horrible.
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Yeah.
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I walked like Frankenstein, I could hardly jump.
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Yeah.
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I couldn't touch my toes without pinning my knees.
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And I probably should have quit based on my early failures.
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I was the worst diver in my whole school,
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but I'd already been cut from basketball and soccer and I was running out of options.
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And I was so lucky to have a coach,
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Eric Best, who saw more potential in me than I saw in myself.
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And Eric said, I will never cut a diver who wants to be here.
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Wow.
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Isn't that powerful? So powerful.
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And he told me on my very first,
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it was the first day of practice.
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I thought it was a tryout.
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And he said, I will put as much effort into this as you
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And I believe that if you pour yourself into this,
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you could be a state finalist by the time you graduate from high school.
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Wow. And?
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And made it junior year,
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a year early, and ended up on the All-American list and making the Junior Olympic Nationals twice.
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Wow.
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And you also write that growth requires much more than a mindset.
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It begins with character skills.
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You say character is often confused with personality,
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but they're not the same.
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Please explain.
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They are not the same.
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They're not the same.
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Not at all.
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So personality is your default instinct.
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It's your tendency for how you naturally would think,
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feel, or act in a situation.
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Character is a set of skills that you develop for overriding those personality traits.
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So I'm a shy introvert from a personality perspective,
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but I love sharing knowledge.
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I really enjoy teaching.
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I've even come to like public speaking.
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And it's a bunch of character skills that allowed me to transcend the limitations of my traits and say,
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I've got to get comfortable on a stage.
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I have to push myself to be in a moment that I would prefer to avoid in order to live my values.
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Yeah, but that doesn't happen unless you actually do it.
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True.
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Yeah.
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The way you get to be a better diver is that you dive every day.
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The way you get to be a better speaker is you actually step into it and do it.
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So whatever the thing is that makes you uncomfortable.
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And that is the character that allows you to do that,
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not just your personality.
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It is.
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And I think for so long,
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I was frozen by my personality.
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So afraid of public speaking,
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I was also afraid of heights.
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So diving was not a good choice.
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I remember standing on the diving board one day.
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I would usually just stand there shaking for five or 10 minutes.
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And one day I was supposed to do a particularly hard dive with multiple flips and twists.
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And I just, I couldn't,
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I couldn't imagine doing it.
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I thought I was going to cartwheel and break an eardrum
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or just end up in a terrible belly flop or back smack.
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And I stood frozen on the board for 45 minutes.
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And then finally, Eric said to me,
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Adam, are you going to do this dive?
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And I remember thinking, ever?
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Yes, one day I would love to try this dive.
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And I told Eric and he said, great.
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then what are you waiting for?
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And Oprah, I realized in that moment that I had the relationship between action and confidence backwards.
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I thought I had to build my confidence to take the leap,
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but the only way to gain confidence was by taking the leap.
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And- Oh, that was, that's such a key,
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key, key, key, key element for everybody.
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You think i know because the only way to gain confidence is he actually doing it
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and you're thinking that you're waiting just like the and and
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and you're using this as a beautiful story and metaphor
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but the waiting and the waiting and the waiting you were waiting
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because you're thinking you're going to get the confidence to take the leap
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but the only way to get the confidence is actually taking the leap i just think that is invaluable.
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Well, it's certainly been powerful for me.
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And I think it tracks with a lot of the research in psychology,
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which says that for most of us,
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confidence is the result of making progress and achieving growth.
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It's not something that you have to marshal before.
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Yeah.
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This is what I want to know, Adam.
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I mean, I was just talking to my producer earlier about you.
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And I was saying, I remember that Adam's first books,
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they were really good.
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And people really liked them and responded.
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And now you're considered literally one of the great thought leaders of our time.
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So I was thinking, oh,
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you had hidden potential then that we didn't see or recognize.
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And perhaps you didn't see or recognize in yourself.
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How do you think it's come to be now that,
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you know, every organization, the Fortune 500 companies,
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the Olympic teams, that everybody wants to consult with you,
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Adam Grant, as this, you know,
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brilliant and wise researcher and,
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you know, literally a man for our times?
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The irony of you asking me that question is not lost on me.
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I don't know.
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I have a- You must think about how did this happen?
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I definitely wonder that often.
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I think, I mean, this is a great way to activate my inner imposter syndrome, right?
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Of saying, what am I doing here?
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Do I belong in this room?
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And I think it's something I feel a responsibility to try to earn every day.
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A door opened and I felt like,
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okay, I should walk through it and then try to open it for other people.
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and I think of all the things that- In the beginning when that door opened,
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you were like nervous speaking in front of people.
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Extremely.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And the feedback made it clear that everyone could see my anxiety and they were absorbing it from me.
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Yes.
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That's what happens.
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Yeah.
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And I just, I think like you were alluding to earlier,
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I just kept running little experiments and saying, okay, that didn't work.
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What if I try this?
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And very often, what helped me the most was taking the people who didn't like what I was doing,
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who didn't love a chapter of a book or didn't resonate with a talk that I gave,
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and asking them for more.
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Only instead of asking them for more criticism,
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I would ask for advice.
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Well, how can I do this better?
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Yeah.
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What can I change?
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And I figure, you know what?
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These critics have already crucified me.
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Why don't I enlist them as my coaches?
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That's so brilliant, really. That is...
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Some of them were really helpful.
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Really.
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I found that too when I was first starting out,
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you know, that some of the criticism that I received was actually,
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I was thinking, oh yeah, he's right.
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I do talk too much.
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Oh, he's right.
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I'm not listening enough.
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Oh, he's right.
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So I would learn from criticism that was not just mean-spirited, you know?
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How did you decide which critiques to listen to and which ones to discard?
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Because some critics were just out to,
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as people would say today,
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get clickbait or make a headline or to say,
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oh, you know, everybody thinks she's so popular,
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I'm going to take her down.
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You could feel the energy of that.
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You could also feel the energy of somebody who was literally just telling you what they saw and what they experienced.
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And so I learned from it.
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You know, when somebody is speaking the truth and you hear the truth, it resonates.
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Like, I'm sure the same thing happened for you.

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