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Hello, this is 6 Minute English from BBC Learning English.
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I'm Sam.
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And I'm Rob.
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In this programme, we'll be talking about disagreeing.
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Err, no we won't.
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I think we will, Rob.
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We're discussing the following.
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Is it good to disagree?
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I know, but I feel better for having that little disagreement.
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So that proves it is good to disagree.
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Well, I hate to disagree, but I think we should explore the subject a little further first in the next six minutes.
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Er, shouldn't that be five minutes?
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Oh, Rob, you're being pedantic, focusing too much on the small details or formal rules.
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Maybe we should agree to disagree and move on to the quiz question I like to set every week?
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Yes, a good idea.
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Okay, so do you know which spiritual leader is famous for saying, Disagreement is something normal?
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Is it a Pope Francis, b the Dalai Lama or c Ravi Shankar?
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That's tricky, so I'll have a guess and say b the Dalai Lama.
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Okay, I'll let you know if that was correct at the end of the programme.
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But whoever said disagreement is something normal is probably right.
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I'm sure we all disagree with someone about something, don't we Rob?
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No.
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Just joking.
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Of course, disagreeing is normal.
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It would be boring if we agreed about everything.
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However, I guess agreement on some things may have prevented a few wars.
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Indeed.
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But it is a fascinating subject and it's something the BBC Radio 4 programme, A Guide to Disagreeing Better, looked at.
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I think we should hear about how not to disagree first.
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This is couples therapist, author and speaker Esther Perel, who knows a thing or two about that.
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In a battle, you position yourself in a hierarchy.
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One is on top of the other.
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And then there is arguing that comes with a contempt in which it's not just that I don't accept your point of view, it's that I actually really think you're a lesser human being.
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Right, so Esther explains that bad disagreement is a battle.
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One person tries to take a higher position in the hierarchy.
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A hierarchy is a way of organising people according to their importance.
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So a disagreement doesn't go well if one person thinks they're more important than someone else.
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And according to Esther, things also don't go well if someone has contempt, which is a dislike or lack of respect for someone or something.
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And contempt in a bad disagreement can be more than just not liking somebody's point of view, their perspective on something.
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It could be thinking someone is a lesser human being.
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Ouch!
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That's not nice.
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Let's think more about good disagreement.
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The BBC podcast Seriously has listed some tips for disagreeing better, including not aiming for the middle ground, another way of saying compromising.
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It also suggests speaking truthfully, listening intently, that means giving all your attention to what's being said, and aiming for empathy, but not feeling at the end of a disagreement that you have to agree.
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I agree, and I'm sure former British politician Douglas Alexander would too.
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He presented the programme A Guide to Disagreeing Better and explained why he thought disagreeing is a good thing.
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The couple of decades I spent as an elected politician convinced me that disagreement is necessary if society is to progress.
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And a society that values civility over justice and truth would simply be a recipe for stagnation.
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But honest conversations involve listening intently as well as speaking truthfully.
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The thoughts of Douglas Alexander there, who through his work as a politician is convinced that disagreement is a good thing.
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He says we shouldn't just follow the values of civility, that means polite behaviour.
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It's important to challenge and question thoughts and ideas, not just be polite and accept them.
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Yes, and if we don't challenge things and search for truth and justice, he feels it would lead to stagnation, staying the same and not developing.
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The verb form is to stagnate.
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But he does say that when we discuss things and disagree, we must be honest, listen to the other person intently and speak truthfully.
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But I would add that this should be done politely and with respect.
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Well Sam, I've been listening to you intently and if I'm honest, I think it's about time you gave me the answer to today's question.
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We can agree on that Rob.
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So earlier I asked you if you knew which spiritual leader is famous for saying disagreement is something normal.
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Is it a Pope Francis, b the Dalai Lama or c Ravi Shankar.
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And Rob, what did you say?
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I said it's b the Dalai Lama.
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And you were right.
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Well done.
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Now, if you'll agree, could we recap some of the vocabulary we've discussed in this programme?
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Of course.
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First of all, I was accused of accused of being pedantic, focusing too much on the small details or formal rules.
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Then we mentioned hierarchy.
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This is a way of organising people according to their importance.
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Contempt is a dislike or lack of respect for something or someone.
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A point of view describes someone's perspective on something.
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Your point of view might be different from my point of view.
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Indeed.
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And we also mentioned civility which means polite behaviour.
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and stagnation means staying the same and not developing.
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Would you agree, Sam?
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You are right, Rob.
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And that brings us to the end of our discussion about disagreeing.
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Don't forget you can find lots more Learning English materials on our website at bbclearningenglish.com, on social media and on our app.
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Please join us again next time.
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Bye bye!
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Goodbye!
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