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But first up, he is a professor of linguistics at Columbia University.
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But first up, he is a professor of linguistics at Columbia University.
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His new book is called Nine Nasty Words, English in the Gutter of Then, Now, and Forever.
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You can find his commentary on substack.com.
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And I don't mind saying he's one of my heroes.
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John McWhorter is over here.
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John, you mean that?
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No. No. We don't touch anymore, John.
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I'd like to touch you, because I'm such a fan of yours.
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I must tell you, I'm a...
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It's good to hear, Bill.
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Oh, I am.
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I hope some of your friends or mutual friends have told you that over the years.
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That, you know, I admire you so much, not just because you're a voice of common sense,
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but it takes guts these days to be a voice in common sense, I think.
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I suppose, you know.
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I don't think of myself as brave because what I really am is a failed lawyer.
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And my issue is just that if things don't make sense to me, then I just want to try to make sense of it and I want people to understand what I mean.
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And this is the thing, if you are a good black person, you're often told that when it comes to certain race issues,
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you're supposed to not quite make sense and that you're supposed to deal with a certain kind of word magic.
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I have never felt it.
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I've always thought I'm black and I would like that to make sense too.
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And that's why I end up looking brave when really I'm just obsessive.
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Well...
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Well, what I get so much from listening to you and reading you is that you feel condescended to.
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Which I feel like that is...
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Especially lately, yeah.
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Right.
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And I see that all the time.
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And I do wonder why that's not more in the dialogue we have.
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It's the strangest thing.
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Like, you read a book like, and yeah, we're going to have to be specific,
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White Fragility, which basically says that black people are these hothouse flowers where everybody has to tiptoe around us.
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And we're always crying, and we're always angry.
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And we're just so very, very, very delicate.
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I don't feel like that person that book is talking down to me as far as I'm concerned.
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It should be used to keep tables...
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It really should be called Black Fragility, right?
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Yes, yes, it should be used to keep tables from wobbling.
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That is the only use for that book. And yet...
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You look on Facebook and you have people saying, I'm doing the work and reading this book.
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And I think to myself, they are doing the work of making me into a perfect idiot.
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Right.
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And yes, why don't more of my fellow black people feel that way?
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And it's because of a very human thing, which is that it is a very human thing to take on the victim identity.
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All people do it.
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We've all known people like that.
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A way you can do it if you're a black person and all of us need to grab onto something sometimes, is to read a book like that and think, yes, I need to be treated that way.
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And I am gonna start actively parsing it that way because I don't think people realize what silly babies,
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books like that, make us look like.
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So something needs to be said.
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Right.
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But, I mean, to be fair, I think most black folks do agree with you.
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It's just the ones, the people, black and white, who are on Twitter?
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Quite frankly, yes.
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I know when I say these things, it's not just me and Coleman Hughes and Glenn Lowry and two or three other people.
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If it was something like that, I wouldn't say, hey, look at the way we weirdos feel.
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It's that I've been black pretty much for 55 years and I know how black people feel.
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And I always think this certain sliver of people in the media and in academia, they're often much smarter than me, but that is not the representative view.
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And so, for example, if you're going to read How to Be an Anti-Racist, that is not the general black view of things.
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That should be read.
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It's like the Bible.
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That book, if you must read it, should be read as as literature rather than as scholarship.
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That's not general.
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And yet we're told that somehow we have to accept these sorts of things as the black view.
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And you'll see it on Twitter.
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A black person will write on Twitter, you have to listen to the black people who are the real black people, the black people who black people listen to.
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No, no. There is a great deal of diversity in the black community.
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And I can tell you, it is not the default in the black community to think of ourselves as pathetic yes we can't,
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has never been the slogan for black America and it's not now.
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