Pratique du Shadowing: Conan Consults His Lawyer About Singing Popular Songs On The Podcast | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend - Apprendre l'anglais à l'oral avec la vidéo

We have something very important to discuss right now.

Is it important?

It's very important.

Okay.

If you'd even question me is an aberration.

It's abhorrent to me.

Recently, we had a discussion about singing popular songs on the podcast.

Is that a copyright infringement?

Do we have to then pay off these artists?

Or are we allowed to sing a popular ditty? do we have the freedom to do that?

And we realized there's one person we need to talk to.

He is one of the loyal troops here in the Team Coco army.

He's a magnificent lawyer, despite never having practiced law or graduated from law school.

Is he still Jose Arroyo?

It's true.

But no one pretends to be a lawyer better than David Melmed.

And David, thank you very much for being here.

And I also want to say, people really like David Melman.

Yeah.

I mean, everyone's- We're just talking about that.

Thank you.

We're all big fans.

Thank you.

You know, I'm a controversial figure here in the building, but you are universally very well liked.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Appreciate that.

And I thank you.

You do terrific work for us in your capacity as a fake lawyer.

So David, let's get into it.

The question is, can I sing songs on the podcast?

Can Sona sing songs on the podcast?

And Matt Gourley, is he allowed to break out into a tune every now and then?

What's the answer?

I'm gonna give you a lawyer answer to that.

Okay.

The answer is maybe.

Maybe.

Can you maybe, I would expect that.

Yes.

You're rotating in your chair a lot, nervously.

Yes, I am.

I don't really want to know How God engrows That's actually We could actually use that as an example right there Okay,

great That's a perfect example This is timely too Which song was that?

Because the way you were singing it was just awful What song was it?

That's always the song Live Forever Oh, okay, got it Terrific So that's a perfect example right there Thank you,

Carly I think there's a way to approach these I think

music is probably one of the most controversial sort of topics in all of clearance, right?

I think music, particularly with you,

Conan, your love of music and sort of the idea of music now in podcasts has become a hot,

certainly topic within the legal community.

And so now that we have an example, I think the first thing- If you don't get more interesting faster, I'm gonna kill you.

Okay.

It's that interesting.

Okay.

I mean, it's that simple.

You have to- Look at all these notes.

I love it.

I mean, my notes.

You're not talking to the Supreme Court.

Yes, I am.

It's just us, David.

He is the most professional person in this room right now.

I know, but that was just dreadful.

I know.

What?

He let the man talk.

I think...

I did!

And it was awful!

Yes.

It was the worst thing that ever happened to me!

I'm sorry, David.

That's okay.

Continue.

In no way, in no way feel constrained by what I've said or intimidated.

I'm not.

As your employer continued doing that awful thing you were just doing.

Exactly.

Okay.

So there's a step approach to that.

I think the first thing we ask is, what is the intended use of what you are trying to do?

And I think why I ask that is a lot of times I hear samples and they're really terrible.

I think when I actually asked the person, what do you want to use it for?

They hear themselves say it and they say, you know what? we're good.

We're actually not going to use that.

Once we get to step two, say, you know what?

We want to do that.

Then we get to where do you want to use it?

Where do you want to distribute it?

And so in that case, just I'm putting you on the spot, Gorley.

Where would you want to use that within?

Well, I think we're talking about this podcast.

This is the I think what we're all talking about is the same thing,

which is, OK, we're having that podcast, having a good time someone brings up Robert Palmer and I go, what's that?

You said to me?

I didn't say anything.

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You just accused me of murder.

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I didn't say a word.

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Okay, I did not murder that.

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Okay, what am I doing?

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I don't know.

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Go back to Robert Palmer.

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Robert Palmer.

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Okay, let's bring up Robert Palmer.

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Another great example.

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Let's bring up Robert Palmer.

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And we're talking and someone brings up Robert Palmer and Sona says, wait, which one is he?

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Because she's younger.

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And I go, he's so fine.

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There's no telling where the money went.

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And what do you do now?

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It comes across your desk.

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Yes, it does.

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I don't think you have a desk.

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I do not.

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I sit in the corner.

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He does sit in the corner.

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I just sit in the corner.

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You do sit in the corner.

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I do sit in the corner, yes.

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Well, when you get a real law degree, you get a real desk.

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Thank you.

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But David, that's the example.

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That's a great example.

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They come to you and they say, Conan O'Brien joined in by Matt Gorley, Robert Palma's song.

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We just did it.

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Do you cut it out or do you let us do it?

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I say, again, maybe, I would say, let's try to get permission to do that.

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I think that is the goal here is to say, do we need permission to do that?

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So that, again, is a difficult thing because you could say, look, we need to release this episode next week.

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How are we supposed to go to the record label?

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Yeah, Robert Palmer's gone.

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He has tragically passed.

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Yes, he has.

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And he has an estate that's very protective of his musical work.

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And then does someone get them a sample of us singing it And they listen to it?

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We actually would provide the sample to them.

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So we, because you're recording this, right?

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We're recording this and we bring it to that.

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I hope not, this is awful.

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Okay, well.

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Again, I mean, this whole segment is a trend.

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I think it's fantastic.

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I think this is very helpful.

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I agree.

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I like it.

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I think this is fantastic.

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So we bring that sample to the record label, say, hey, look, Conan O'Brien, Matt Gourley, Sona, would love to use this sample on- I'm okay.

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You could leave me at it.

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Okay, yeah, please.

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Conan O'Brien.

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She is tone deaf.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you don't have to lump me in on the Robert Palmer one.

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Yes.

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Now, here's my question.

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Would you say this promotes Robert Palmer's discography?

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Or disparages his entire thing.

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No, it doesn't.

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It makes you think, oh, I did love that song.

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I don't love the way they're doing it, but I do love that song, and I'd like to go out and immediately on Spotify get the complete Robert Palmer collection.

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You would certainly use that argument in a negotiation for a fee, right?

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This is ridiculous.

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I'm just, you know, the thing is, I'm not a musician who's playing the song.

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I'm just saying she's so fine.

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There's no telling where the money went.

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And then suddenly a highly paid pseudo lawyer.

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Yes.

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Who's suspiciously tan all the time.

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Yes.

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I don't know how you are.

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You asked me that one.

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In the middle of winter and you've got the deepest bronze tan.

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Do you use a tanning light?

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I do not.

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And you asked me that.

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No, he's just natural.

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He's a handsome guy.

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You are incredibly handsome.

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Thank you.

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Well, you asked me that two years ago.

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Yeah, I know.

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You did.

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No, guess what?

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It's the last time we spoke.

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That is true.

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Until today.

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Yeah.

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You, Conan, you came to my corner.

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Yep.

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And you said, do you tan?

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Yeah.

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I would love that tan.

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Yeah.

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And I said, I don't.

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I actually get, I get outside, I have a, you know, glowing.

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You have an incredible glow.

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Thank you.

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What do you attribute that to?

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Uh, is it your lineage?

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Are you pregnant?

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How is this pertinent to the film?

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Can we do this?

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Okay.

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It's, we're getting to it in a second.

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This is important.

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What, are you a lawyer?

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Go ahead.

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Uh, what was your question?

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Sorry. So, yes.

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But, but, David, explain, explain this golden hue you have.

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I think genetics.

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I think my, I have parents in their 80s that look like they're in their 60s.

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So that's the first.

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But what is it, what is your genetic makeup?

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I know that's probably an incorrect question to ask these days, but...

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Where are your genetics?

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I must know!

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I would say there is probably a sort of Middle Eastern, you know, beautiful skin, olive.

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Absolutely gorgeous.

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But you're forgetting that he has these beautiful eyes too.

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Also, can I say something else?

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What has happened?

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He has this great.

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You have salt and pepper hair, which is to die for.

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I mean, I'm walking around with this clown dessert on my head and I look at you and I'm like, he may not be a real lawyer.

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He may be the only thing we could afford, but gotta do him in a Mississippi second.

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What?

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Koi is your lawyer.

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Thank you.

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He is your lawyer.

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Yeah, okay.

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All I'm saying is you can't ask about genetics and you can't say, I want to do you to the lawyer.

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Well, we are actually out of time.

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I'm glad we covered all the legal questions to the music.

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I'm just going to say one thing.

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He's so fine.

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There's no telling where the money went.

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Listen, so back to the other, the initial point of this whole thing, which is you're very good looking.

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Thank you.

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Wait, that wasn't it.

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Back to the real point, David, which is you're saying that anytime we hum any ditty,

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you have to get on the phone and try to buy the rights from some monsters.

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Can I add last Conan, you argued that if you hummed the worse you hummed it, the more rights we would have, right?

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Like if you were off with your, with the melody or the tone, then we would be able to use it.

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I would say, for example, famously litigious Led Zeppelin.

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No one gets to do Led Zeppelin stuff, But if I sing it and it's wrong, but everyone knows what I'm doing, do we still have to pay?

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You could.

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You could.

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You'd have to get the lyrics and the melody wrong though, right?

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Oh, I could do the whole thing.

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Now, there's a lady who knows!

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Sure.

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That's it.

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Those speakers are bows.

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Oh boy.

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And she's trying!

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Staircase!

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To Nerva nirvana now that now would i have to pay for

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that no way well i wouldn't say no way why you said maybe i would say maybe

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and i'll tell you why i'll tell you why

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if you are in if you were led no i'll tell you why the questions

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that you don't want to hear you i don't think you

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want to hear what the answer i say in the most

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conservative way yes now there are different exceptions you can for example I think the use,

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the fair use word, de minimis use is used a ton, but you've already committed the copyright act, right?

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So when I, I have talked to you, Sonia, about this plenty of times where, and I think I'm going to use Jeff Ross's name.

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He loves the word de minimis.

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It's just a little bit of use that a court would never say, you know, we're not going to litigate this.

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Go ahead and use it.

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Conan O'Brien, he could, he can do two, three seconds of that song.

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We're not, we're not going even go there.

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Now- De minimis.

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Why does Jeff love de minimis?

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I haven't heard de minimis since the Latin teacher saw me without my pants on.

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That's what he said.

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That's what he said.

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That's exactly what Jeff said.

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Pretty good, huh, Sona?

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Look at her.

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Look at her.

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That is what he said.

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It's not the Maximus.

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A quick question.

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Should we do a two-parter and continue talking?

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Yes, we should do a two-parter.

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Because we're out of time.

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Okay, we are sitting here with our he says he's a

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lawyer we've seen no paperwork uh david melmond impossibly good looking

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and beloved here on staff very sweet thank you stay tuned for part two

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