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This is the Batcave.

I've never really shown anyone this spot.

Thanks for having us.

Thanks for welcoming us.

It's good to see you.

Thanks for coming all the way to my place.

It's a pleasure.

It's lovely to be here.

It's my first time actually in this part of the Midwest.

And being out here, I realized like, wow, isolation plays such a big part in your creative spirit, right?

Yeah, the isolation helps when creating something.

I think that people would assume

that the pressure of making it another record to follow kind of something

that was considered a big moment for us in our career would be the pressure

when really it's the tiny comments that I think about.

Like when someone, a friend's mom says, I love your last record.

I could just press play and listen to the whole thing as I worked out.

something tiny like that

when i'm working on a song will all of a sudden

like can they work out to this it's the tiny little comments about the music

and um the decisions made in it that

if i let too much of

that in it can completely affect whether i turn left

or right well look it's really great to be here man

in your in your studio in your space where this new album has been made um you know

and i know that this is a particularly intense moment for us to catch up

because normally what happens is you know i catch up

and i was like yourself after a few weeks of decompression the album's done yeah

but i sort of snuck up on you and did this deliberately

because i really when i heard the music the idea of coming here

and seeing you the day the album sort of got done

that seed was planted because i realized that you had gone

so deep in on the ideas the concepts

and the entire complete thought of this album

and i want to get you at its most raw

and that's literally right now right right now i i yeah i'm uh pretty tired and

every moment away from a song is very valuable

because the fresh ears aspect of it how was that break

that you took necessary it was it was very necessary a

lot of the last album cycle there's a of traveling

and well you caught lightning in a bottle i mean you

had to write it as you had to go yeah go

go go yeah the schedule was um very unpredictable you know

this is the next thing we need to do to to

capitalize on on the momentum this time around i'm looking forward

to a little more structure like we kind of know what to expect a little bit more

which is fantastic and yet you find yourself from what i've heard of this album

which is the whole thing thus far um is

that you have chosen this opportunity to dive deeper i love

stories i love being able to dive into a story

and write from that perspective a lot of a lot of my writing is obviously very personal

and something i'm working through but there's some of it

that i you know like to understand the people around me and try to dissect and analyze it.

And I wanted to create a world that I could go into and write from.

And in that world, I was...

I could control the exterior and what was kind of pushing down on me.

And that control was very helpful in the creative process where in reality we are, I can't really control that.

How people perceive it or what pressures are being applied to what types of songs should be written, what type of record should be written.

How people feel about it.

What decisions we should make and what shows we should play

and whether or not we should do live TV and all the stuff that I don't particularly enjoy.

You lived that life, really lived inside that world, as much as you probably could stomach on the last album

because blurry face was it kind of makes sense

because i feel like you like trench this is as you

said before to some degree is a geographical yeah play it's

like you've created a world blurry face was a character yeah

so you had to go front that how did you feel at the end of

that experience um because they fans will want to know they loved the way

that you announced your hiatus it's always funny how you have to announce hiatuses these days

which we never called it a hiatus we just picked

that you guys picked

that we have to just be like we're gonna call something

yeah can't call it a holiday right being musicians a holiday doesn't hiatus kind of say

that like josh and i were sick of each other isn't that what

that kind of means hiatus is always the step the step

before a split yeah it's like it's like an intervention yeah that's that's not what happened

but that's what we're calling it that's fine yeah

so what went wrong with you guys yeah

because yeah i don't know anything uh you seem to have great relationship

and i guess that even at the end of all

that touring it i mean you tell me how it all

felt at the end of the blurry face campaign with heathens thrown on top yeah After I had done, I wrote Blurryface, we released it, we started touring it a bunch.

I couldn't, there was something, sometimes it's hard to start creating.

It's kind of like a muscle you have to work out.

Well, when the Heathens things came up, I kind of took that as an exercise,

like let me just get something going.

Give me a reason to write right now, because I have a lot to say, but I just can't.

Everything I turn to, every progression, every sample just feels uninspired to me right now.

And this idea came up, well, there's this movie coming out, and I didn't know much about the movie,

and they want to know if you would write a song for it.

I'm like, well, I don't know.

That's not really...

I've never done anything like that before.

And then they showed me a few scenes and they said, well, you know, we want you to do either like a shoot them up Will Smith song

or a twisted love song between the Joker and Harley Quinn.

And neither of those things struck me as I was like, you know, I'm just going to write a song

that I feel like is probably going to be for the next record

or at least be for our fans with my own twist on

if i were meeting with those villains

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and i was bringing someone along like bring your friend to

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work day what kind of conversation would i have in the

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car before i got him there um in a sense

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if this song were to kind of well we kind of got shoved into the mainstream.

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And I felt like I always wanted to explain

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to the mainstream audience about our fans and who we really are and try to bring them along and kind of go,

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listen, this is what you should expect.

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Tread lightly. But we're powerful.

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And these kids have something to say and they're worth listening to

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and so that song kind of became something that i wanted to write

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to explain our dynamic with our fans and thinking

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that it would in no way fall in line with the movie

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and then it did and then it just kind of took off from there

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and so it was a good exercise to get things flowing again did it after

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that did you feel inspired yeah started writing more yeah a

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lot of ideas strange hit yeah no the the chorus was initially the course melody was the verse melody

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because i just didn't feel like it was moving around the changes like like it should

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and um i remember i showed josh

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and a couple other guys on the road

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when i was just demoing it on my laptop

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and all i had was the verse and like just the beat

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and the vibe i gotta find a chorus

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and a few minutes after i'd showed them we're you know getting ready for the show

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and i hear someone i still don't know who it was it's one of the four

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or five guys

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that i was kind of just showing stuff to they whistled

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the melody of what i thought was the verse down the hall as i was getting ready

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and that's what i was like that's the chorus

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so how do we get to trench tyler how do you

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get how do you go from a character -based concept into something

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which is an entire world which requires so much more flashing out

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and so much more color and the videos require so much more commitment and everything else yeah well

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you asked earlier like how was it to take a break the hiatus

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and to step away for what is now i guess a year um honestly uh the moment our last show

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which was here in columbus it's like our final show of the entire cycle i went home

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and i started work coming up with this this world and And it just,

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it took, it started to consume me, is all I could think about.

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I know every aspect of this world.

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I know what the weather's like in this world.

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And I wanted to go there and right from that place.

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And this studio then kind of became, in a sense, my version of it.

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and I really wanted to dive deeper into the narrative of who Blurryface is, not just to me, but who he's become.

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You know, it's always probably very true, but it seems a little cliche to say, you know, we wouldn't be here without our fans, and, you know, this is about our fans,

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and it wouldn't be without them.

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But I don't think they know how much...

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they've written the narrative and how much of a back

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and forth we've been having without them really even being fully

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aware this record is i mean they they really did help write it this thing wouldn't be breathing without them

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and they helped create this world as well um how do you how How do you absorb that influence?

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Because you can see it when you're on a stage

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and you can hear it when you have a chance to meet them and talk to them about it.

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How do I hear them?

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Yeah, like are they taking - Yeah, it is the internet, man.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm around.

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And they're fleshing it out.

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They're taking Blurryface and they're writing things about it and they're adding to it and moving things around.

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And I mean, that's just incredible.

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That's like creative collaboration in real time.

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Yeah, I mean, the character of Blurryface was this was this person to me

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that i was trying to confront but then as the record cycle went on

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and as i saw him kind of come to life through other people's perspective

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and our fans the way

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that they viewed him it drove me to like agree with them on how he's perceived

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and how's he changed how's it changed

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if you go back to what blurry face really was representing at the time is

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that kind of that mirror that I call it a seat at the table that you can stare across and really understand.

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I mean, everyone knows what they don't like about themselves, but how do you compensate for that?

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What are you doing because you don't like that?

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Trying to understand that and maybe fix that.

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Then I realized that it's all about jurisdiction, where there's certain places that I'll be,

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whether it's mentally or physically, where he has jurisdiction.

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And if I can try to leave those places, if I can try to stay away from those places,

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then he starts to lose a little more of a grip and control of me.

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And that's what trench was and what it is.

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and helped me kind of like compartmentalize in my mind where I need to try to leave

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and get to somewhere that's safer and a little more unpredictable, a little more wild, much more creative,

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a little scarier, a little bit of an abyss, but you don't have to play by his rules.

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That's helped.

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I wonder when you realized that you were different you thought about things different

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and things settled with you differently and at what point in your life you realized

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that you were going to have to develop some tools in order to function

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and live with just the person that you are

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I never would have turned to music if

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if I didn't feel like I needed to work on something or change or cope with something.

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I think that I was perfectly fine

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before music and then something happened where I just

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it just felt like a buildup of some sort

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and I didn't know how to I didn't know how to release that I didn't know how to

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decompress that and to have an outlet for it and I was forced to learn how to play the piano, at least the way I look at it.

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I grew up sharing a bedroom with my brother, and he would tell you, I mean, we both love music, but there was something that happened where I realized,

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okay, I can say anything I want now.

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And when I first showed my parents a song or two, I was really concerned that they were going to be really concerned.

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How'd your parents take it?

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Well, that's what was so surprising about it, was when I was concerned about,

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like it felt like when I was writing a song and I would show someone, it was like, okay, now let's start the conversation.

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But what would usually have been the beginning of a long conversation slash checkup on you slash lecture was just,

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wow, that's great. And that was it.

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Like that was the end of the conversation.

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and that's why I was like I can do this more

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yeah the relief I don't I don't have to like keep

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on talking about it afterwards what role did your faith play in that when you're growing up and

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trying to kind of be the person that you grew up being

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and also growing into being a young adult

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and wanting to be an artist and wanting that freedom

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that flexibility to touch on subjects

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because you've got to get out of your system right like I could see

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that that could create a conflict if it wasn't managed right.

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I have this theory about...

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leapfrogging in generations.

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I think it can kind of apply to faith, can apply to wealth.

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There's this constant kind of overcompensation and then compensating that.

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My parents grew up in an environment where there really wasn't any talk of faith or any sort of religion.

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and then they both had a moment where they they became christians when they were

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like in their college age and so when they got married

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and wanted to raise kids they're like we're gonna you know we want to raise a family

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that you know has faith and believes in believes in god

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and instilled that and what i believe about god

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and my faith is i would say is very different from them

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but i think it's a lesson in knowing

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that what i believe is different from everyone you know even

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my my mom my dad people who formed me they should

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they should in theory have the closest version of it

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but it's so different even even that

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and um i think it's actually made made my faith stronger in the version

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that you know i i believe and i you know hold on to

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and this music i'm trying to create

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and trying to like answer those questions i'm throwing those questions out

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that i felt like you know weren't supposed to be asked but when i ask it in a song

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my parents just said that's great and that

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that was such a big moment for me and

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so yeah my faith is constantly playing a part in the music

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that i write as i see at the very beginning of our conversation you're

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so tucked away in here it's i can see why you would just continue to work

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and create work and create because it's a very protected place

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and i mean it feels literally like five stories underground bomb shelter yeah it does you know

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and i wonder what it's like

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when you pop your head up above ground for you what

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life's like let's talk about the popping the head out of the ground

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because that's actually a phrase josh and i've used to kind of describe like

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the part of our career that we just don't remember yeah wait how did you guys like all of a sudden

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do our version of making it

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or getting people's attention we see all these bands around us

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i'm talking about local scene back you know eight nine years

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ago we see all these other bands around us We're trying to should we do what they're doing?

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Should we kind of try to follow their lead?

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Should we and we just said, you know what?

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Let's just go underground and

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We went underground and we came up with a show

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and then we with our head down We just started saying yes to that show.

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Yes that let's play that let's play that let's play

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that let's do that Let's create this head is down and then all of a sudden we came

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We came up and we had a record deal And we were playing we were doing a headline tour.

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I was like man, how did that happen?

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and I realized the importance of isolation and just honing in on something and not letting

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what are they doing or what should we follow that

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or what is that does that change our decision now

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that they did that and just kind of diving in

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and going for it and then coming up

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and realizing wow we're like five miles ahead of those other bands

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that we were just looking at what role does Josh playing

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all this for you outside of being an amazing drummer

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and being a part of one half of the band everything else

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but on a human level you know you guys like you've lost similarities

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but also you seem like kind of different people

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which is good i think i mean in the live show

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especially there's been some shows where man i don't feel like

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i should be up here right now yeah i don't feel

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good enough i don't feel like what i'm doing is considered good

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but then i there's just been so many times i look over josh

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and he's just ripping man in it and it just shocks my system

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and then i walk down stage and then square my shoulders up to the audience

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and then there's only really been one show where it happened to him

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and me and we got off stage

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and we were just like what just happened do you know the time

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that it was happening yeah it was a festival

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and i think it was would have been like 2013 it

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was like one of our first times doing a festival in

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europe what i think it was it may have been puckle

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pop yeah thrown onto a main stage like oh my gosh

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we have main stage like 3 p .m that's crazy

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and you just realize okay this is a scheduling thing like I mean, and rightfully so, it's our first time in that country.

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There's no reason why we should have had an audience.

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But when you get ready to play a show, you're kind of like, I wonder who's going to be there.

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I always assume no one's going to be there just to get myself ready, but I wasn't ready for the empty field.

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That field was so much bigger.

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People will think, look how many people there, when the when it's full it's like this field is ginormous like now wait until everyone's gone

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and then you realize how big

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that field is it must be interesting finishing the record

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and watching people get it right

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or get it wrong in real time are you even really well that's saying

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that they are they are also building the world like i

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said we're very not to come up as like on

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that stalker level but i do watch them and i see how

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and i don't watch everyone though i know i watch The ones that really get it,

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really understand it.

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So you have specific fans that you literally want?

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I mean, it's a group of them.

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I guess there's just this outer layer noise that I just consider to be not relevant.

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But what is that fan that really understands and has tracked with me up until this point?

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How is this hitting them? and the story builds from there man we'll see

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if this works by the way you're talking you're pitting this idea of a concept

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and the story it's very thought out

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and there's there's a bunch of time spent in between release

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and i don't i don't even know if this is gonna gonna work

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in the day of streaming and getting a single out every chance you can

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when you guys first came out People didn't understand the depth of subject matter and what you were really trying to say.

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They were focusing on the melodies and the music and the beats

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and the production and the live shows and all the things that make a surface impression.

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And over the course of all your albums now, we've found you going deeper and deeper and saying, look, you know, there are fundamental things I'm trying to fix here or I'm trying to understand.

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You know, and now, more than ever, we're all trying to understand those things.

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and we're all having louder conversations about anxiety depression like self -worth

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and we're we're speaking as one a lot more clearly about that because i think that that's

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pretty accepted that's a good way of trying to demystify it you know what i mean we're getting

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that right we're getting that right this is moving in the right direction for sure it's something

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that you experience i'm taking a punt on that listening to your music yeah um

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the fact that we're now in a world where we're talking about it uh something

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that i've been looking for for a while and uh i'm really glad

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that we're here i'm proud of our culture in that way, for sure.

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It's, I mean, suicide, too.

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We like to name the depression and the anxiety.

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You're right, we're terrified of that word.

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Yeah, we gotta say that, too.

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And it's finally, we're talking about it.

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It's a thing.

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My mom's a school teacher, and she has...

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I talk with her all the time about the things that she looks out for and how it affects

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kind of that environment as its own microcosm of a culture.

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And it's important to talk about and that it's real.

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How real can it get for you?

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I've always been pretty good at compartmentalizing and there's nothing it's not

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because I had to cope with something or whatever I think

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that I was maybe born with just being able to compartmentalize

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and I think my music is like the only real true window into a compartment that I

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about as that's about as comfortable as I like to get with diving into something that is still breathing,

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moving, shifting, adapting, becoming immune.

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And as much as the conversation about it is very good, there's something about the personal aspect of it

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that it is very good to make sure that it doesn't take life and doesn't gain traction and breathe oxygen.

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And so my music is

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me talking about it and is the window into it um

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but i don't i don't think it's healthy for me to give you the keys to that house

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The reason I reached on my phone was because I'm looking at the track listing and I wanted to talk about, we've talked about the first song, I want to talk about the last song.

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I want to talk about Leave the City

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and I want to talk about the restrained weight that's in

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that song and how it never quite reaches the crescendo and it always promises but doesn't quite get there.

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And at the end it's just like, I mean, you tell me what the last word on the album is, the last words.

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There's an isolated sentence.

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They know what I mean.

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Yeah.

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They know what I mean.

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That song, not only is it inside of the narrative, but in that narrative, I know that I wanted to, I needed to leave somewhere and start this journey

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and this point in between two places

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that a lot of us can find ourselves in whatever version of

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that fits into your life we're always trying to we're always

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trying to dance in between those two places how do we get there

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and it's scary and it's you don't know what to expect

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and it's kind of hard to see and um but that

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but this record is about pushing through and starting that starting

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that that journey between those two places yeah it goes started

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and i would never in this record I have I did not define what that

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that where you're supposed to be is though I didn't there's no name for it there's no that's not defined

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and that was intentional to be a part of this process I knew this record was about getting up

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and starting that and I'm not going to I'm not gonna find

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that thing in this record yet

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and that's what the song leave the city does it gets you there

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and then it doesn't kind of drops you off

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and like okay You're about to embark on another tour

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and all the things that come with making music and reaching your fans.

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But Leave the City could take you anywhere.

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What's next?

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What's next?

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And is it even music?

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And is it...

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Did you enjoy that year off?

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I mean, you've got an amazing house.

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You're married.

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You've got...

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I said to Jenny, your wife, who's lovely, by the way she's um i just can get on record

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uh can i talk about her for a second 100 okay starting

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this career felt like i was standing at the edge of an ocean and i was given

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some supplies and they were like okay make a boat

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and i and i put this thing together and i wrapped it up

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and i built this boat and enough to start to float

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and we started going and found some more debris on the way

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and kind of built this thing and then before you know it i'm in this like

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tugboat sized thing and it's got a motor and we're going uh

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and then um eventually things happen and i'm on i'm on a yacht

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and we're just flying it through this through this journey

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and all the while i think that some people would assume

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that my significant other in the process is in a smaller boat next to me,

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waiting for this boat to inevitably either wreck or run out of fuel.

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And when it does, I hop onto hers and we head off into the sunset.

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When actually what's happening is, in relation to who she is to me,

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I've built this little tugboat thing and that's about

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as big as it ever got and she is waiting for me to run out of gas in a cruise ship

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and when that goes down I've got this to pick me up

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it's just a really weird way of saying that she's the best thing I've accomplished and I can't wait to just

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lean on her

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there you go there you go all right i can't wait those those are great words

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and maybe that'll inspire the next record oh there he is

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he's pulling it back from the brink of absolute disaster

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that was the moment where it all came out right there

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but understandably so on on last day of the album you're like you know

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and remember what i said about flirting with finality artists who

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what's the obsession with finality yeah you have this life you have this other boat yeah

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and yet you choose to stay on on the tugboat man are you unafraid of of living a different life

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i think that um you'd be amazed how many musicians are afraid of stopping yeah i uh

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i think what helps me is to glorify getting old not

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be afraid of it yeah i'm looking forward to it and i think that if

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If our culture were to see our elderly in that way as like they've accomplished something,

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they've ran a race and they have a lot to tell us about how we could better run it,

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I think that that would help with a lot of things.

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Have you always felt that way?

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Is that why you put two old people on the cover of Vessel?

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Yeah, I've always felt that way.

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And actually, my grandfather, who's on that cover, he died last month, but he was a big part of my life.

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And I think more so now, after his passing, do I realize how much of a resource I had.

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And I have one grandfather who's still living, who's absolutely still an inspiration to me.

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Ask the questions you know he's a he's dealt with alcoholism his whole life

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and he's been sober for so many years now

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and you've never drunk right no yeah never had

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and being on the road and all

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that stuff never felt the pull to it just doesn't i've

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had one i i've had you want to ask me about

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my first alcoholic beverage 100 it was a uh it was an expired bud light and i was like probably 13

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that's it and it was terrible

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and uh in a way i think it's a blessing it's a blessing yeah like i'm fine with

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that i had to chase it with gatorade it was awful i'm excited man nope nope nope

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told you it's a slanted it's a slanted table

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why do you think i have all these gigantic mouse pads over here dude this is the most pristine

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and clean amazing like I gotta be honest with you don't

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tell me you cleaned it Jenna dusted this before you guys

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can you've been literally sitting in here in your pants like

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in your boxer shorts literally just stinking up the joint it's

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yeah I yeah you did go I did I shaved last

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night get out of here you had a bit how deep

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did it go it was terrible no how right was it well itchy

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and I hated it was it long it wasn't it was

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stringy it was like your first real beard it was not like

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you've got a culture of beard you can't just grow one out

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and think that you're going to look like rick reuben

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that takes like decades i know there's

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so many more things i need to go through in my

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life before i can really get it yeah puberty is one of them

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so many things you got to experience for the very first

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time as a beard trousers at some point you have to

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put those on yeah see how they feel i didn't shower

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for a long time there was a moment where i hadn't

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looked in the mirror in like a week you should try

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that it's crazy oh my god what did you notice the

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first time you looked at yourself uh i felt like i was getting older wow

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so you noticed the change

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because yeah in a week i was like man maybe i was just really tired

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but that actually makes sense

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if you haven't noticed anything what were you eating you were

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being fed obviously yeah i mean jenna was taking care of

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she's a culinary artist did uh did she ever concern did she ever come down

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and just put you pat you on the shoulder

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and just be like you gotta get sick yeah she told

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me like you should eat you should you should say hey she's never too particular about hygiene

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but she did several times like when's the last time you

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took a shower it's just those types of questions what an

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amazing time in your life man to be able to have achieved all of this

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and know you still have fuel in the tank to make your most ambitious album

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and project to date like most people settle here

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and then it's there's a compromise somewhere along the line there's no compromise going on in your art

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and yet you've already gotten to this place yeah

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and i just think like as a way of saying goodbye i wonder

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if you ever allow yourself probably not in the last 12 months

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but at any point you allow yourself a chance to reflect fondly on where you're at in your life

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because how old are you now tyler 29 you're 29 years old right are you scared of feeling reflective or feeling satisfied?

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I love creating.

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I need to create.

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But there's something about, when it gets to this level, there's something about convincing yourself that it's kind of not real.

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It's something that will go away.

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And preparing yourself, I know you talk about finality being something that artists are obsessed with, but I think that you just,

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you have to try to get

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get okay with that and the quicker you do the more you'll enjoy this moment and

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yeah I'm not do you know what ends that? do you know what cures that? what?

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the end of narcissism and do you know what kills narcissism?

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kids

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I can't wait to have kids man it's one more cycle

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it's been great hanging man thanks for letting us in thanks for coming

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