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It's right here, good.
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Alright.
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Hello everyone, I'm here with Thiago.
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And today the video will be a little different because I'm meeting Thiago for the first time, personally.
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We already know you on the internet.
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And I don't know a lot about him.
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So it will be very good for me.
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And you will meet him together.
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So I'm going to make some basic questions in English.
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We'll see where this conversation is going.
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I'm a kid.
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They'll think we're in the kid garden.
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It's been three years since I moved to São Paulo and I am an English teacher.
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I'm an actor and also filmmaker.
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So I do lots of stuff, you know, especially related to performing arts.
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Okay.
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And so you said you're an actor.
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What do you act in?
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What type of things do you do?
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most of the time I'm a musical theater okay yes so do you sing and dance yeah
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we've been here in United States touring with our group a couple of years ago
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and what kind of dance do you do depends on the show
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but we do jazz we do hip-hop we do contemporary oh I love
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that that's so cool I didn't know that awesome and And why did you decide to start studying English?
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Where did this interest in English come from?
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I always say that through movies, you know?
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There's this thing called Sessão da Tarde in Brazil.
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They know what I'm talking about.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And we used to watch those movies and everything about the United States, the houses, the schools.
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It really caught my attention, you know?
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Very different from my reality.
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So I was really curious about that language and also coming here to this country.
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And what's really beautiful with movies that you mentioned is besides the language, you're actually seeing the culture, the differences.
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A lot of people come here and they notice the yellow school buses.
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Like, oh, it's just like in the movies.
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It's cool.
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Yeah, it's like a little bit of an escape in some ways to a foreign place.
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I love that.
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And when you first started studying English, what did you think?
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Did it come naturally to you?
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Was it frustrating?
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It was a mix of everything, but especially because when I started studying English, I didn't have the resources.
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Okay.
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So I used to, my mom used to work as a maid.
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Okay.
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And I used to ask her mommy,
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can you, can you try to get some English dictionaries or some kind of material with the people that you work for?
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I also found a school that they used to throw some books away, the garbage, and I would go take those books and materials.
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I was really focused, but I didn't have any type of audio resources to study, you know, to improve my pronunciation.
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So for so long, I studied vocabulary and structures, but I couldn't really speak.
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Yes.
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You know, so that was frustrating.
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Yeah.
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But after a while I was able to get those tapes, you know, those white tapes.
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Yeah.
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With those conversations and dialogues and everything.
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And then later on CDs.
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Okay.
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And I would memorize all of the dialogues, you know, from the CDs and shadowing.
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I didn't know what I was doing.
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Right.
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I was doing something.
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Isn't that interesting?
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There's things that you do kind of instinctually.
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Yeah.
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No, it just helps, but you didn't know
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that there was like a name for it or that that actually was like a proven technique to help you learn.
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Yeah, but I do think that's something that a lot of people relate to because back in the day, back in the dinosaur age when I was a child too,
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we didn't have access to audio content, even video content like we do now.
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and learning without that input is really challenging yeah so that's something
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that i think nowadays we're realizing
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that you know input just immersing yourself as much as possible
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and actually just being truly interested yeah that's like the one thing that i think
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people underestimate genuine interest in learning like if you're genuinely interested and you can't you can't really sell that.
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The person has to want it, the person has to be interested.
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Because then you're listening and you're paying attention and you're repeating and you're actively involved in it.
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And that makes a really big difference.
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And the culture really helps that.
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Because if you, for example, I always loved watching um american movies
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and um listening to english songs to pop artists to r b i love r b mario chris brown
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and all of those singers you know so i grew up singing
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and listening to those type of song those types of songs
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so that really kind of uh helped me yeah because it was something that i was already interested in Yes.
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So it helped me a lot.
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Yeah.
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Oh, that's great.
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Well, your English is super good.
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So you definitely do what he did.
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Take notes.
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It works.
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And did you imagine yourself being an English teacher at any point?
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No. No. Not really.
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You know, I started, I had a dream, you know, back in the day, like having a English diploma
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would say like certificate or something like
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that mean man used to mean a lot a lot you know especially for to get a better job
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or something like that yes nowadays it's not that important anymore
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if you're able to speak they don't care if you have the paper
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or not exactly you know right
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but back in the day like you should have it
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and I was always I mean I used to talk to my parents say my dream is to study English
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and that's cool and and all that I studied studied studying English when I was like nine years old.
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Okay.
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And then when I was around 16, I was able to go to a regular English school.
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I took this like level test or something like that.
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And then they put me in a pre-advanced level.
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Oh, great.
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So to pay the school, I would teach English in my community you know
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so that's how i became a teacher you know
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and do you feel that you learned more as a student
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or more as a teacher i think both yeah
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but the level i i was teaching was very basic you know
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so but but i mean that was cool yeah it was cool yeah we had fun
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and you did go to the united States you spent some time in the US.
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Yes.
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How did that happen and what brought you to the US?
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This dream to make movies.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So um it's always been a dream to attend New York Film Academy and study filmmaking.
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Uh-huh.
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Since I was a little boy like that was my dream school.
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Yeah and um i always love it to write stories
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and plays so i'm christian so at my church i was the director
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for a performing arts program and everything
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so um i think i'm really good at creating stories you know yeah it's things like that
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so i did this movie in my town my hometown we
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fundraised uh we got like we were able to raise 30 000 reais something like
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that yeah and then we made this long this feature film
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which uh we got seven nominations in international film festival
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and how old were you i was 21 oh that's amazing
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and then we got when it we we got three of those um the awards
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and after After that I kind of thought, okay, that's what I want to do.
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I'm going to try to go to the United States to study film.
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And I make this plan, like telling my story.
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And I didn't tell the school that I didn't have the money to pay, the tuition and all of that.
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So I enrolled myself and I was in all of the process,
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like interviews and English tests and portfolio and all of that
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and I was approved through the whole process and then they told me, okay Tiago you're approved this is your invitation letter
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but this is the money that you gotta pay
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and I made this video online telling my story telling people how important
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that was for me and how I started studying English
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and what I had returned to my community you know and then people started donating That's amazing.
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That was pretty cool.
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They took me to TV, to radio, to newspapers.
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I love that.
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To help promote your story and get more donations.
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Yeah.
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That's very cool.
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And then, but I was able to raise just 6,000 reais and I needed so much more.
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And I remember on November 30th, I was at my house and I got this email from the school saying
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that there was a deadline to pay the school.
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I just had that 6,000 reais.
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And then somebody here in the United States watched my video and they paid my school.
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Like the whole thing?
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Yes.
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The full tuition?
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And I didn't know.
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And there wasn't the deadline.
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And I got the receipt and the invoice and everything.
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Oh my god.
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What was your reaction?
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I was crying.
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Just like a movie.
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I'd be like, what?
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I was crying.
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Just like a movie.
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And a couple of days later, I got this calling from this person through Facebook.
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And he said, before you were born, my parents lived in your city.
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And your daddy, my dad used to be a bricklayer.
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Your daddy built the house of my family and we never forgot about him.
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So that's why we helped you out.
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Oh my goodness.
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I just got goosebumps.
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That's so cool.
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What a beautiful story.
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And he was at my house last week.
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I think I saw the stories on Instagram but I didn't know the whole backstory about him
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And I wrote my story and I just launched a book Yes, I want to hear all about this book This name,
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this is my book This is a gift for you Thank you!
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The dream is not finished, the girl who wanted a paper axe I love this
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they they denied my visa twice before that school you know approval and all that so i was
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i had this record of you know heartbreaks you know rejection it's like rejections
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and those but i kept moving
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because education was the only way out from the reality
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that was raised in you know very poor a lot of drugs
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and all that
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so i'm really thankful for um also to be a good student i always love to study yeah
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but i lost
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so many friends you know my neighbors the friends i used
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to i was gonna ask about this they talk about like
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when people want to leave the community or
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when people want to maybe even leave the family to pursue bigger
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and better things yes they call it like
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when you put lobsters in a bucket
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when one lobster tries to crawl out the other lobsters yeah pull them back in um
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and i've heard so many stories and i think there's some guilt
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that comes along because some people might take offense to the fact that you want more or they might think,
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oh well he thinks he's better than us or things like that.
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Like how was that experience for you?
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Did you go through stuff like that?
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Is that why you lost certain friends?
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Because they saw you going in a different direction?
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I think I've always been open about the goals
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that I had in life and
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that was kind of awkward to them like to hear me saying that I'm gonna go to the United States, gonna do this yeah what were their reactions like yeah i
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remember the last day high school i said at the last
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day of high school i told my my friends um you
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guys gonna see me on tv yeah you know i love
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that like confidence that you had yeah yeah
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and i always wrote my life i mean i had i
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used to use i used to write journals to practice writing my english writing
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but also to manifest the life that i wanted to live i love
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that i was so focused on that that i used to
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write like interviews uh-huh like journalists interviewing me about the last movie
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that i did and i had all of that you know it's
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so funny yeah but it's i mean obviously you did the work to make
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that happen too yeah
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and i think that's why some people you can't just like
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wish your life to happen you really have to see it imagine
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that it's possible and then do everything you possibly can to make it to make it happen
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and answering your question about the people
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that stayed um of course i had a couple friends
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that kind of uh made fun of me uh
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but they they everybody knew
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that it was different there was something different about me every school
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that i i went to the teachers would say that
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because i was that kid that goes to the stage on stage
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and and talks and presents
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and even preach i was five years old i was preaching already on service okay
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so you just were like born with that yeah i had
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that i feel comfortable you know uh in
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that kind of environment um maybe and for you
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that you don't know my artistic work i've um i've directed a web series for netflix
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a couple documentaries and movies that were streamed in the movie theaters.
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Oh, that's awesome.
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I toured a couple countries with my musical theater crew, you know?
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Oh, how cool.
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So on social media, people don't know, I mean, the whole story.
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Well, that's so true.
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That's another lesson about social media.
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What you see is like 0.5% of a person's life you know there's
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so much else and I think also
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when you have a profile that's dedicated to English teaching you don't really mix all the other things
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that you do on that same profile I love that
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and were your parents always supportive or were they ever like worried
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that you had dreams that were maybe too big or anything like that the fun part about that everybody asked me that.
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It makes no sense, but they always supported me.
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My dad is a brake layer, my mom is a maid, and I would say, Mommy,
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I want to go to São Paulo because I want to take that acting workshop for a month,
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for a week.
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And then she would bake cakes for me to sell.
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My parents, my dad always helped me.
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So now, I'm going to shift gears a little bit.
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So now you're an English teacher and you're still working in the film and acting and things like that.
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so tell me about your your family life
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because i know you're married yeah
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so tell me about your family how many kids how old
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are they yeah i'm married to amanda this year we celebrate
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10 years anniversary wonderful we got two kids kawán who is one year old
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and kevin who is four years old okay
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they are the joy of our lives
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and um we live in san paulo far from our family
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so it's kind of hard you know at times you know we miss our parents
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and sometimes having people to help with the kids and all of
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that yeah but um they are such a joy me
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and my wife she's a singer as well and an actress
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so we are in the same musical theater company um a couple maybe last month i launched my book
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and i wrote a musical about my story oh my gosh i want to know how do you have
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so much time I guess it's like creative energy to write a book to produce all this content, to have the two kids to be doing all this stuff.
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I take the whole family along, you know, everywhere I go the whole family goes along.
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You know, we are rehearsing and the kids are messing around, they go up to stage, you know, like.
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But it's nice because Kevin is very artistic.
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I post a couple videos with him.
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He speaks, he's learning how to speak English.
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So I'm, I'm like since he was, he was born, I always spoke English with him.
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Yes, that's good.
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So he already speaks and understands a lot.
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Good deal.
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At home, right?
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Yes.
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So maybe Kevin is going to be an influencer or something because he likes the attention.
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Yes.
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You know, he's very communicative.
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Oh, that's great.
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You never know.
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You never know.
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If influencers are still a thing in the future yeah i
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don't know who knows maybe we'll be replaced that's it it's all like ai bots instead
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you're right all right so to wrap up here so this doesn't end up being too long
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um to people that are watching this
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that have been studying english for a long time
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or maybe even have other dreams besides being fluent in english
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like what's what advice would you give to them um my
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advice would be never lose the track of who you are
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never lose yourself fighting for any dream it's not worth it yes you know yeah
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so um try make sure that you have people around
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that are supporters that are going to be with you in the darkest moments
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and also in the joyous joyful moments yeah um and
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and make a little bit a little bit every day you know don't try to
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to reach the sky at once at one shot you know
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little by little baby steps a step at a time i love
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that that's perfect yes there's a a saying in english that say how do you eat an elephant
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bite by bite which is not the best visual but
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when you think about it like to me it's very helpful you want to do this really big thing
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but the only way to do it is like what what tiny little step can i take today yeah
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and i also really like what you said about don't lose yourself in the process yeah
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because i do think it's very easy to do
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that like you will get offers
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and be tempted to sell your soul in some ways to get a little bit more fame
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or a little bit more money
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and there's always a cost yeah we especially with social media
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you know i've been struggling uh i had i think i had uh i had my momentum maybe a year
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and a half ago yeah and i wasn't i wasn't able to replicate
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that yeah and for some for some time i kind of felt a little bit depressed
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because i felt like i'm not interested anymore people don't want
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to hear what i have to say uh i'm i'm my numbers i I always talk to Lilian, you know, and she always tells me, Tiago, you're not your numbers, you're not the algorithm.
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Exactly, yeah.
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And all that.
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Yeah, it's true.
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And if you think of, I mean, at least for me, there were moments when I was doing like really amazing on YouTube and social media, and those were not very happy moments in my life.
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So it's kind of like maybe I was killing myself to produce a lot of content
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and do really well on the internet, but then in my personal life, I was sacrificing things
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so it's like the balance yeah yeah that's beautiful i love
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that well thank you thank you so much for being here
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and now he's going to interview me yeah and
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so you guys got to click on the link in the
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description to to hear this interview we'll see where it goes
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but definitely buy his book follow him i'll post all the links thank you very very inspiring story thank you
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so much thank you for sharing thanks for having me bye guys bye
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この動画で目指すスピーキングの目標
この会話は初対面の人との自然な英語トークで、日常会話の流れを理解し、スムーズに応答する能力を養うのに最適です。「初めて会う人に自己紹介する」「興味のあることを聞く」といった実用的な場面を練習し、フルエンシーの第一歩を踏み出しましょう。shadow speech（シャドースピーチ）の練習に使えば、リズムとイントネーションも同時に磨けますよ！
フレーズバンク：会話で使える表現
- 「I do lots of stuff, you know, especially related to...」（色々なことをやってるんだよ、特に…に関すること）
- 「What kind of things do you do?」（どんなことをしているの？）
- 「It was a mix of everything」（いろいろな感じが混ざっていた）
- 「I didn't have the resources」（リソースがなかった）
- 「It really caught my attention」（本当に興味を引かれた）
これらのフレーズはshadowing site（シャドーイングサイト）で繰り返し練習すれば、すぐに実践で使えるようになります。
弱点を直そう：発音とリズムのポイント
この会話の特徴は自然なスピーチのリズムです。「you know」「like」などのつなぎ言葉が会話をスムーズにしています。特に「I used to...」の発音は「ユーストゥー」ではなく「ユースト」と短くなることが多いので、shadow speak（シャドースピーク）で真似してみてください。shadowspeakやshadowspeaksの練習で、イントネーションの高低も体感できます。リソースが少なかった時代の話もありますが、今はshadowing siteを使えば簡単に音声リソースを活用できるので、効率的に上達できますよ！
少しずつ練習して、会話の流れに慣れていきましょう。進歩は必ず見えてきます！
この動画の文法
話し手がよく使っている文型を、動画の実際の表現とともに紹介します。
| 文型 | 動画での表現 |
|---|---|
| 「used to」 used to + 動詞 — 今はもう違う過去の習慣や状態 | used to watch · used to work · used to ask |
| 現在完了進行形 have/has been + -ing — 以前に始まり今も続いている動作 | have been studying · i've been struggling |
| 受動態 be + 過去分詞 — 誰がするかより、何が起きるかに焦点を当てる | was approved · were born · is not finished |
| 現在完了形 have/has + 過去分詞 — 過去の出来事が今も関係している | It's been · we've been · it's always been |
シャドーイングとは？英語上達に効果的な理由
シャドーイング（Shadowing）は、もともとプロの通訳者養成プログラムで開発された言語学習法で、多言語習得者として知られるDr. Alexander Arguelles によって広く普及されました。方法はシンプルですが非常に効果的：ネイティブスピーカーの英語を聞きながら、1〜2秒の遅延で声に出してすぐに繰り返す——まるで「影（shadow）」のように話者を追いかけます。文法ドリルや受動的なリスニングと異なり、シャドーイングは脳と口の筋肉が同時にリアルタイムで英語を処理・再現することを強制します。研究により、発音精度、抑揚、リズム、連音、リスニング力、そして会話の流暢さが大幅に向上することが確認されています。IELTSスピーキング対策や自然な英語コミュニケーションを目指す方に特におすすめです。