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I was assigned a very simple topic called Global Consensus Endoscopy as the New Standard.
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As a disclosure, I am a consultant for Eloquence.
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And what I want to talk about is what I call LESS,
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Lumbar Endoscopic Spine Surgery, which you have to admit is a very cool name for a melaninvasive procedure.
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But I call this procedure, for me, the oldest state-of-the-art procedure that I have in my toolbox because it has been around for a long time.
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So back in 1999, this paper was published.
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That means that it's been around for like 30 years.
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And even before that, there's been other papers.
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And since then, that paper was the transferaminal uniportal approach.
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we now can do interlaminar surgery.
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We can do it in the cervical, thoracic, and lumbar spine.
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And we can do it from uniportal, and we can do it biportal.
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And a lot has happened.
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So the first thing I want to point out is that there's still people that demand more evidence, more proof that this works.
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So just at any time, go to PubMed and just type in something that you want to compare traditional mini open surgery for with endoscopic.
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So this is the most common one.
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You have a herniated disc.
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What are the results of?
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Lumbar microdiscectomy.
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And you get a bunch of studies, like a thousand.
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What do you think happens when you type in lumbar endoscopic spine surgery?
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Over a thousand.
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And if you do this for the treatment of spondy, fusions, a bunch of stuff, you'll be surprised at how many peer-reviewed publications are out there for endoscopic surgery.
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It's tremendous.
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So the question of does endoscopy work?
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that that's that's like old news it totally works all the data shows
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that it works to me the more important question than
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that about whether it works is if it's
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so great how come the adoption rate is
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so low how come is it
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that in all of san diego there's just two people
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that does like real endoscopy like full on endoscopy two people in california there's probably no more than like five or ten,
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at least on the level of like Dr. Kang and I.
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So the important question is if it's so great why is the adoption so poor?
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I'm not sure what the answer is but there's probably two reasons.
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The first is this whole reimbursement and cost issue.
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That's not an area of expertise for me.
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The second one is the learning curve and I think we all recognize these two issues but it's
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so uncommon for us to ask the next question.
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So here's the next question in my mind that's important.
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Not only do we kind of appreciate that the learning curve is difficult, we have to ask a very important question.
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How can we improve upon it?
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And we don't have that discussion nearly as often as we should.
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And I'm not here to tell you what what the answer to that is, but I can tell you that a lot of the discussions that I hear,
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we have to have some goals when we adopt a new technology.
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And if you really think hard about it, if you're a resident, you can do a case and be in the learning curve.
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But if you're already in attending, in practice, there's very few patients that you'll sit in front of and think to yourself,
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this patient doesn't matter to me as much.
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I think I can try this and
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if it doesn't go well it's going to be okay
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that patient hardly ever comes up and it should never come up
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so we have to work backwards you have to make the first case go well
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so i can tell you three things of what not to do
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when you first do your endoscopic case you ready what not
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to do is number one do not be unprepared number two do not be unorganized and number three do not unrealistic.
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These are all three things that you can solve pretty much immediately if you put your mind to it.
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Now I'll give you an example.
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One of the biggest problems when you start endoscopy is that everything is totally new.
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The room setup is new.
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You have two monitors potentially up, one for flora and one for endoscopy, and you've got foot pedals, and you have to look around.
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So if you don't have everything set up, if you don't have all the equipment coming at you
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when you want it and not having missing items for your first case, that makes things a lot easier.
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You just need to worry about the surgery.
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Not on your first case, is everything there when I need it.
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So look at the picture on the left.
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That's my old way of keeping a checklist.
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And I would demand that they print that out.
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And if something's missing, I ask them, like, let me see the checklist
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and they have to produce a piece of those pages with checks check marks on it
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if they don't and something's missing it gets ugly in the
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OR so here's the problem on a checklist like
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that the first 80 things is easy it's the last five things that's buried in the checklist
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so one thing you can easily do is have a checklist that's easy to use it's 2026 make it
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so that it's electronic.
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Another example, setting up the room.
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You want everything where you want it
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because you have to look up at a screen
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and you can use the picture on the left or you can use an interactive model on the right.
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Here's another example in terms of being realistic.
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I can't tell you how many times somebody picks the hardest first case to do
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and also thinking that you're going to remember everything.
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So it's all about the first few cases because what I noticed is that if you can get through the first three,
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four, five cases successfully and then on the sixth case you have a problem, you'll probably do a seventh case because you'll think, I know what I did wrong.
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My other five patients are doing great.
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I'm going to go again.
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If you have a problem on the first case, it's very likely that you're going to think, this is not for me.
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This doesn't work.
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This is BS.
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I'm never doing this again.
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It's almost like a really awkward first date.
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You just don't even want to see that person ever again.
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So you can deal with right now.
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So all of you that's just going to start up and just do it, do that, but do not make those first three mistakes.
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So having said that, and there's a lot more work to do, what else could we do to drive adoption?
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Now, if you just look at the history, you know how I said this is 30 years old?
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In the last five years, there's been this unbelievable adoption of endoscopic surgery.
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And the single biggest reason is the advent and adoption and recognition of bipolar endoscopic surgery.
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So I'm often at the podium proudly stating
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that the best spine surgeons in the world are the Korean spine surgeons from Korea.
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because they were the, they did a lot of MIS and if it wasn't for Biportal,
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I think we'd still be struggling and I think this is going to help drive what I call the tipping point.
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So this whole discussion, somebody asked me like, talk about Biportal, will you?
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Because you're a Uniportal guy and I'm like the straw man here.
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So what do I think about Uniportal versus Biportal?
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I kind of look at it like this like left twix
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versus right twix in my mind it doesn't really matter
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that much what's more important is that it's endoscopic not whether it's uniportal
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or biportal and just imagine a world where you can do multi-portal
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and I just did that yesterday there's no reason why you can't make three ports
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so example your biportal you can't get through the other side for some reason, you just make a port on the other side.
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Yesterday I had to do an interlaminar and a transraminal approach on the same level,
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which kind of sucked, but still there's no reason to open it or do a fusion on something like that.
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The way I deal with this whole situation is I encourage you to look to the future
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because right now it is very nice to be able to use somebody else's equipment, use a bunch of old equipment, put it all together like we're in Cuba or something like
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that and prove to somebody like how well it works
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but in my mind the future is
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that we're spine surgeons we get our own equipment we own our own equipment
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and that equipment is purely designed to accomplish the goals
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that we want not a system that was designed for the knee
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or the shoulder that we configured to the spine using a combination of open stuff
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and other anatomy stuff so simple thing is that
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if you have a uniportal system you can go by portal anytime i start everything uniportal, same target site, same work,
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and I only create the second port if I need it.
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If I don't need it, I just don't.
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If I need it, I say, give me the knife.
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I make the second port, give me the T-handle, and then open up the basic spine trait.
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So in the interest of time, I'm going to pass through this, but one simple advantage is that you can find the second port without necessarily chop-slicking the whole time.
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You can do it in direct vision, and you can swap back and forth where you work.
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So let me give you a case example.
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She's in her 80s.
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She's got back pain and neurogenic claudication.
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Flexing extension views with these findings.
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All right, now I want you guys to think about how you would treat this patient.
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Now this patient is my 84 year old mom.
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This is her now at age 90.
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How many of you would do a two level MIS-T lip or a diffusion of some type?
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How many of you would just do a decompression only?
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How many of you guys think I just did a How many of you guys think she had an MIS-T lift?
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I didn't do it.
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Okay, she had a two-level MIS-T lift But that was six years ago
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If she presented today I would want her to have a biportal endoscopic laminectomy
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Because I remember the day when I thought there's nothing better than a blackberry
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and then I'm like oh my god The iPhone I remember
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when I used to love going to Blockbuster on the weekends with my family
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and going back and forth into the aisles I was picking a video.
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Now we do that just sitting in front of the TV.
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I remember when I had a package of wires everywhere.
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Now I just do everything by magic and the ether.
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And all this is related to what I call a simple process called evolution.
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Because all surgeries evolve to become less invasive.
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And there's nothing more less invasive than endoscopic surgery.
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So with that, thank you.
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I have no idea if I ran over, but I suspect I did.
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Hello.
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Again, Ivan Samanov from Mexico.
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I was wondering, how do you deal with insurance companies when doing navigation on endoscopic surgeries?
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Because at least in our country, if you explain that you are going to do navigation on an obese patient,
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the insurance first asks you to send the patient to bariatric surgery
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or something else so that's like a huge problem to us i was wondering
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if you have like the same issues here thanks yeah you know i have the same issues
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so to address the obesity question right
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if it is emergency like the klanakwana you have no choice right
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but for elective t-lifts you have i think of you you know you have to prove to the insurance
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and also So for the benefit of the patient and to make your surgery easy,
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do everything to have that patient reduce some weight.
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And especially with the GLP-1 agonists out there, that job has gotten a lot easier.
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But there are some people who actually, despite the medications, do not lose weight.
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They try everything for whatever reason.
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And it turns into a vicious cycle because they're in pain.
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They're not moving they're not exercising, they cannot do therapy, and they don't move,
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their muscles decondition, so their condition worsens, and then it becomes a vicious cycle, and you have to cut it somewhere,
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and I feel like if you can provide surgical care to get rid of the pain at least, they can actually move around more and hopefully better themselves.
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And with regard to reimbursement, actually in the United States if you use stereotactic navigation there is an added code
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that we can attach to our billing and you end up making more money
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so hopefully that will encourage some of the surgeons to utilize navigation for the benefit of the patients
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or you know I use navigation regularly for T-lifts I do
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not use navigation for decompression only unless it's thoracic disc or something rare where I really need to localize the anatomy.
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And yeah, so that's been helpful.
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Let's go in the west coast.
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I love navigation, but I think our problem is different.
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You're talking about the mandates and the policies of insurance people and the payers.
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We don't have that problem.
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Our problem is that the hospitals and the facilities that we operate at, they have to pay for the navigation because insurance companies don't pay that much.
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So we have a big obstacle in terms of cost efficiency.
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And right now it's okay because the hospital is very cost inefficient, but I anticipate in the next five to ten years there's going to be two types of spine surgeons.
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Just like there are two types of knee surgeons.
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You know, there's a knee surgeon that does a knee replacement.
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If you need an ACL reconstruction or a meniscectomy done with an endoscope, arthroscopy, you go to another doctor.
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So I think there's going to be a large group of young, highly motivated, energetic, entrepreneurial spine surgeons.
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They're going to gravitate toward the ambulatory surgery center and hardly ever go to the hospital.
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And some spine surgeons that are almost always at the hospital never go to the surgery center.
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And the growth is going to be in the surgery centers.
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And that's where the issue of robotics, navigation, in the setting of endoscopy is going to be a real barrier because of the cost to the facility.
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The second quick question.
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When you talk about your mom's case, you told that she was pretty good right now.
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She improved all of her symptoms without mis relief do you think
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that doing an endoscopic decompression also the back pain could be could relieve her symptoms nowadays yes
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and i want to answer that question in a couple of different ways i know a lot of spine surgeons
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if you ask me how many spine surgeons have had a lumbar fusion on themselves
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or their immediate family members like their wife their children
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or their parents I can't name more than about five
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so that's the first thing so if you ask yourself what would I do
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if this is my family member which is what I usually do things change
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so six years ago and my ICF was the great operation
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but today I would say that I do an endoscopic decompression only
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and I would be confident that maybe the back pain wouldn't be as well, maybe, because she has no back pain either,
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but she had mostly neurogenic claudication, so she's not a back pain patient.
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It wouldn't even be close.
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Plus, her facet joints didn't have a lot of facet fluid, so I'm confident that they would have a great result.
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The complication profile would be much less,
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and that says a lot that I would treat my own mom two totally different ways six years ago versus now.
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That's how much endoscopy is advanced because I take care of a lot of patients that I would normally do a fusion.
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I'm just like, key, I hardly ever do any fusions anymore.
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And I love that surgery.
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I wish I could do more, but most patients don't want it.
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And then the ones that I do the decompression, even though I tell them, I think you're going to need a fusion, most of them do not need the fusion.
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So I just keep moving more toward non-fusions right now.
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I don't know where that line is going be
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but i think the fusion line is going to be much
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further out than it is today the use of antibiotics do you use antibiotics on the irrigation fluid
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or on the iv
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and another question is for the far lateral herniations the the use of by portal endoscopy is it really useful
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or would you do only only portal for far disc herniation thank you all right
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so i do not use any antibiotics in the saline i think saline itself is like sterile
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and and you know never say never thankfully haven't had infections
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so i think there's some literature suggesting
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that the infection rate is really low with that water-based
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or saline-based endoscopy to begin with
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and then for far lateral disc herniation uh i you know
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i can 5-1 may be challenging whether you are a uniportal guy
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or a biportal guy
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but the four five you know three four i've used the biportal uh without issues
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and then i've shown a case of a thoracic lateral approach um endoscopy is a tool
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but you know my general recommendation is use whatever works in your hands
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if you're an open surgeon that's probably the safest surgery that you're going to do it for that patient.
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So it's just a tool that we're using.
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I'm a golfer.
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I don't think, yeah, but I think I agree with you.
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But here's the way I look at it.
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If I have a far lateral disc herniation, I'm going to do uniportal because it's easier, it's faster, and there's no need to go biportal.
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If I do a 4-5 or 5-1 disc herniation, I go uniportal.
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If I have to do like a decompression, I'm ready to go biportal.
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If I have to do something complex like an L12 or so, I want to be able to do both.
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And my guess is that if you saw me do a far lateral endoscopic discectomy uniportal
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and you saw somebody do a biportal, you'd end up doing a uniportal.
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So depends on how you ask that question.
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If you have access to both systems, I strongly encourage you to learn how to do both.
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I think the reason as to why bipolar endoscopy has taken off is that, you know, if you think about the cases that you do,
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the majority of cases, right,
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90 plus, maybe 95 plus of degenerative lumbar decompression work with is inner laminar approach.
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So I think for that multi-portal endoscopy seems to do better for multiple reasons,
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including you know, being able to utilize some of the more aggressive tools because I mean,
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for me personally, I don't want to stay in the operating room for two, three hours during one level landing.
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You know, in 30 minutes is my limit.

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