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Look, now it's starting to happen.
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I know.
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I saw this on some of the episodes.
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Hey, what's going on everybody?
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For First We Feast, I'm Sean Evans and you're watching Hot Ones.
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It's the show with hot questions and even hotter wings.
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And today we're joined by Willem Dafoe.
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He's a four -time Academy Award nominee with more than 150 film credits
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and all these decades in showing no signs of slowing down.
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This year alone, you can catch him the Mount Everest drama Tenzing arriving October 16th, and Robert Eggers' Werewolf on December 25th.
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He also stars in the highly anticipated drama Gonzo Girl, Patricia Arquette's directorial debut coming soon.
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Willem Dafoe, welcome to the show.
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Thanks, you're missing one too.
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Late fame.
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You know what, I think you have like six movies out just this year alone.
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I do, so it's an embarrassment of possibilities.
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How are you around spicy food before we get started?
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I'm good.
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I think.
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I mean, I shouldn't brag, but I like spicy food.
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I like to get a little sweat on, yeah.
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All right.
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Okay.
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Hardly spicy.
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I think I'm okay.
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No, it's good.
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So in Gonzo Girl, you play Walker Reed, a slightly fictionalized Hunter S.
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Thompson, and I understand that you were given Hunter S.
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Thompson's actual robe to put on.
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What kind of value does an artifact like that have for an actor?
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Like, does it help you to unlock the character?
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Is it kind of just a cool thing to wear?
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It depends.
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In this case, it was actually gift at the end of the shoot, and that was very sweet, and I wear it to this day.
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It's very big because he was a lot bigger than I am.
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But in other movies, for example, I played Pasolini once, and I was wearing all of his clothes.
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I was wearing his jewelry.
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We were shooting where he was.
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It helps.
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You know, you flirt with ghosts.
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So, it was cool.
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It helps a great deal.
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what's house mean in this case just kind of entry level like goes well with anything
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this is going to be easy
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we'll revisit that here at the end yeah i shouldn't brag
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but you know i was a little nervous before we came
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i thought what is this like you know i thought you
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know it's a little like a little slight anxiety you have
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before going to the dentist that's a good way of putting that in.
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You know you're gonna survive it, but you're not sure how it's gonna go.
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Yeah.
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So I understand that you got your start on stage.
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Is there a Wooster Group technique that you ever snuck onto a film set?
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Like, what is the record album interpretation practice?
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Like, did you ever do that?
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That was pretty cool.
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We did a couple of them.
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It was a time when we were feeling really lazy because we were doing original work, and that's hard to come up with.
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And the director, who was my partner at the time, her father died, and she was very depressed, and she wanted to do something really easy.
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So in a thrift shop, we found this old Hawaiian, you know, album, album of Hawaiian music,
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and we invented these hula dances.
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So we got plastic skirts and plastic lays, and the big thing was we were naked.
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So when we did some of the movements, it was all over.
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And that was a very popular show.
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Which was called Hula, right?
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It was called Hula.
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In fact, once, once, we were very poor.
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We were small, poor theater in those days.
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And one day, someone came after seeing the show and said, would you do a private performance?
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And we said, yeah, yeah, because he offered us a lot of money.
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So we thought, fine, we'll do a couple of the pieces.
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We went to this place.
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We arrived they treated us kind of bad, like get in the back, dress in the kitchen, you know, this kind of thing.
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And then we get ready and we walk out in our plastic, you know, hula skirts and lace.
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And we did our thing.
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And then afterwards, people thought we were like strepogram people.
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So we were like propositioned afterwards.
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It was very strange.
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I guess they call that paratheater.
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Ah, bonnet's a dirty word in the pepper world, right?
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Mmm, scotch bonnet.
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So, I've heard you say that you'll sometimes… take roles for the most simple of reasons, like I want to ride that motorcycle or wear those clothes.
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When you think about the most whimsical reasons that you've said yes to a role, does anything come to mind?
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I understand for John Carter, for example, that was a green light because you got to use stilts.
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Right.
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You look for triggers that sometimes can play on your imagination.
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Like I always go back to the example of Wild at Heart.
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I mean, beautiful script, it was David Lynch.
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Those are pluses.
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The character, you didn't have to think about it.
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Somewhere it was in my imagination.
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And then once he gave me the costume, there was no selection process.
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He was like, this is your costume.
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And then he told me to put in these teeth.
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And I put them in, and I couldn't close my mouth.
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And so I'm always like this.
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And immediately that triggered something that makes you feel lascivious
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and kind of, you know and then you're off you know that that helps with the pretending and you're good
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sorry I have a tendency sometimes when you talk about performing to go
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that way but because it's fun to talk about
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because it remains mysterious to tell you the truth I'm a talk show host you know I love yeah
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but where's the comedy you provide it naturally it's coming it's coming somewhere around eight, I'm sure.
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Okay, this is four?
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Four.
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Okay, we're getting, Jang is doing something to us.
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It says, big on savory, medium on heat, and low on acid.
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Okay.
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The story kind of checks out.
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We're doing acid.
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I wish.
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Wouldn't that be fun?
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So, for the movie Togo, right?
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Yeah.
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How much practice does it take to learn how to drive
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a dog team convincingly enough to be filmed on camera doing it?
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Like, what is that process like?
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You do have to practice.
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Because one of the toughest things is they really love to go
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but the probably the biggest thing is you've got an anchor in the earth
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and you're standing on these little skids of this sled you have to lean back grab
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that anchor pull it out so you're going this way they're going
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that way and if you're not careful they'll leave you you know you'll go flying off
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so that was something that took some doing but you know sometimes you know you have to learn things, like learn a profession or learn a skill,
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so it helps make it particular, specific, so you're having an experience rather than interpreting something,
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saying something that you already know.
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You are in process, something is happening to you, and hopefully that's when you come alive and that's when people can feel you and are with you.
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Not because you're telling them something, but because really you're throwing yourself into something and hopefully they'll be with you.
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I'm spitting all over the place.
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What's going on here?
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Okay.
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I'm going to a Mexican restaurant tonight.
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It's true.
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It's a nice appetizer for it.
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Is it true that you were in attendance at the 1967 Ice Bowl game at Lambeau Field?
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Do you have any kind of lasting memory of it?
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Like, do you remember like Bart Starr's iconic sneak?
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I do.
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I do.
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I remember it very well.
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And I remember maybe it was Boyd Dowler getting flipped up in the air
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and landing on between his head and his shoulder.
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It was pretty gruesome.
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But it was really cold, obviously.
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And I was wearing these boots.
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And when I got home, my feet, I couldn't feel them.
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And then they started to hurt a lot.
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So I got a little bit of frostbite.
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That's like a souvenir for the ice bowl.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But they still work, so that's okay.
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Is it true that you were once dangerously sick from drinking the river water in the Philippines
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while shooting platoon not knowing that there was a dead water buffalo upstream?
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You said it.
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You said it.
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I mean, really sick, really sick.
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And that was during our training, and we were miles away from anything, so I just rode it out.
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We knew what it was, so we thought it would pass and uh
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so they didn't medevac me out you bounce back from the
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frostbite bounce back from the dangerous water is a nothing
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and now i've been through much worse believe me
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if you're ready we can move on here to sauce number six okay
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this is a thai chili miso huh the best that's starting to happen You know,
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one of the best meals I ever had was in Thailand.
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In those days, I used to eat meat, and it was very, very spicy.
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So spicy that I, you know, I felt a little ache in my belly, but it tasted so good.
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And then I was really sick for a couple of days.
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Out of curiosity, what was the pitch like from Martin Scorsese
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when he asked you to play Jesus in The Last Temptation of Christ?
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It was so crazy direct because, you know, he saw everybody under the sun, not me, in that period.
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And I heard about all these other people going, and I thought, okay, fine.
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That's not something for me to do.
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And then they tried to make it once.
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I felt a little something.
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Yeah.
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My agent called and said, hey, Scorsese wants to talk to you.
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And I said, about what?
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Last Temptation of Christ.
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And I thought, what's he want?
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I thought, you know, spirit carrier number one or something.
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And he was like, idiot, he wants you to play Jesus.
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So he sent me the script.
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I went to New York, because I was out of town teaching.
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And we had a meeting, and we were good.
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It was very direct, very direct.
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now to me this one has kind of like late action you're right it's on my tongue you
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and me both yeah i like it now we're talking okay good
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so by many people's count sure i'm gonna join you Yeah, cheers.
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Yeah, cheers.
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Funny, huh?
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I can't think of the last time I had a glass of milk.
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So by many people's count, you have more on -screen deaths than any other working actor, and have even said yourself that you're obviously attracted to a good exit.
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Which character death was the most technically difficult in your experience?
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Like, is there one that stands out for its kind of mechanical ambition?
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Easy, easy, easy the lighthouse well actually it's not my death
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but I'm buried alive at one point actually I was buried alive in Antichrist too
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so they want to do these things to me why why
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I don't understand either look at this face why would you want to do
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that right it ain't death and I'm sure I'll go kicking
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and screaming like everyone else but it's a little practice you know what you do imagine Or then there's Sergeant Elias, that's a good death in platoon,
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where that was really fun to shoot because everything was up in the air.
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I was only by myself, and I knew there were all these extras behind me, and I knew where the explosions were, so I knew my path that I had to run.
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But I had the most simple instruction, run, run for your life.
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And that's what I did.
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And it was just wild to know that you're going to trigger this, where you're going to say, I'm ready, and then you're going to run for your life.
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It felt very eventful and very full.
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And, yeah, you know, I can close my eyes and remember doing it, to tell you the truth.
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Da -boom.
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Da -bomb.
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Da -bomb.
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No, da -bomb.
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Okay, ready?
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Mm -hmm.
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it's going like this the bomb yeah
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and i think now it's gonna go boom it's just loading
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up on us oh yeah wow wow wow wow wow wow
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now you're talking makes you kind of like remember fondly the front half wow of the gauntlet over here
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and i like it i like it that's the kind of
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that's the kind of thing i like happening to my tongue
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yeah it's good i'm gonna sneak a little sip yeah yeah
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yeah okay i'm now now i'm scared again
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but listen that's it the next one whoa yeah yeah
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and then just be careful around the eyes you know you'll
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have like a yeah i know this you've been around the block yeah from picking peppers you've made
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that mistake go to the toilet either
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the most important the most oh yeah up in there
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so in combing through your interviews over the last Wow wow wow wow wow.
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I know.
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Many decades.
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A big jump.
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It's exponential.
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Wow.
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I found you have a knack for spinning these phrases that are equal parts profound and totally impenetrable.
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So if you'll if you'll humor me.
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Yep.
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I want to bounce a few enigmatic Willem Dafoe quotes off of you
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and I'm hoping maybe you can explain them a little bit further while you battle the bomb.
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I realize that's a lot to It is.
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Under the circumstances.
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Now it's starting to happen.
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I know.
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I saw this on some of the episodes.
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And now you're in it.
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Yeah.
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I'm in it.
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I'm in it.
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You thought you'd be immune, didn't you?
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I did.
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I did.
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This has brought me to my knees.
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Action breeds inspiration more than inspiration breeds action.
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You know, there's got to be planning, particularly for movies.
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But you get there sometimes, and you can't put a square peg in a round hole and you got to know how to deal with it.
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Yeah, movies are a lot about getting there and seeing what there is.
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You had an idea, but you know what?
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You always have to adjust it.
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And anyone that thinks they can absolutely control it is a fool because they're wasting opportunities because what's there speaks to you.
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It's a collaboration.
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That's the beauty of making movies, of making anything really.
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I'm not attracted to naturalism.
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I'm not attracted to behavior.
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I'm attracted to dance, and I think in many ways, naturalism has ruined movies.
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Ah, that's a lot there.
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I stand behind all those, but when I say dance, I like the event.
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On the most basic level, it's like being a sprinter.
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You gotta run from here to there.
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Sounds boring, but you know what?
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You watch a sprinter, and what they do in that period that they go from here to there, a lot happens.
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So it's about giving over to the action and having it work on you.
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One more for you.
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Celebrity is okay as long as you know it's not about you.
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Yeah, I mean, it's great, you know, because I've been doing this for a long time.
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You know, I walked down the street and people are really sweet to me.
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I think if they don't dig me, of course they ignore me, you know, and that's cool too.
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But I don't think it's necessarily about me it's about something
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they've done now they see it in flesh before them well
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you know what I have to say what remember you took a bite of
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that wing and you're like yeah this is serious yeah
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but you know what you did there though you locked in
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on the interview you know like once you started answering the
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questions it was like the spice completely washed away it didn't slow you down at all
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and that's rare that's really yeah maybe maybe I'm too who practiced at interviews or something.
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This is deceptive.
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Mustard dill.
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Right.
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It doesn't, it doesn't, yeah, the other one, bada boom, da ba.
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Bada boom, yeah, it's like death sauce.
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And then this one, mustard dill.
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Well, this, this is what to be careful of.
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Yeah, don't underestimate it.
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my nose is running by the way many such cases yeah what i think the bomb does is it's
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so violent that it kind of clears the lane for everything behind it you know like once you've It's gone there.
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Yay!
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Yay!
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I'm going to try water now.
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I know.
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Mom!
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I feel like I'm in a scene now.
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I'm sorry.
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I've been a mad son.
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I'm truly tearing up here.
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Then just be very careful.
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Oh, damn, yes.
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protect me okay good
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which pre -fame job do you remember most fondly all right working at a bindery yeah
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that printed men's magazines working as a dishwasher at a diner
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or working as a model for a figure drawing class to
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pay the rent i like them all um dishwashing was fun because it was It was a very simple thing.
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It was social.
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It was very cool.
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Posing for art classes was fun, too, because that had a degree of performance to it.
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You're naked, which is always fun.
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It was fun to see the students.
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And then I'd look at their work, and it's like, whoa!
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You know, confronted with it.
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Really, really ugly.
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I look like that to you, my dear, beautiful suburban housewife.
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I'm sorry.
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Either you don't got it, or I don't got it.
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No, I'm kidding.
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But it was interesting, because you have to hold poses for a long time.
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So it's like, even before I had any introduction or any interest in meditation, it was kind of meditation.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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I'm feeling cocky.
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Monkey see, monkey do.
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Why didn't we do this with all of them?
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You know what?
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You're holding the wheel.
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If you would have just said we're popping all of them, I would have done it along with you.
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No, no, it's okay.
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This is good.
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Ready?
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I'm ready.
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This is it.
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Yep.
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This is my favorite.
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That's what I'm talking about.
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In all tracks, because I've heard you describe yourself as a sensation junkie, somebody who seeks out situations more so than roles.
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Because the role, you don't know what it is until you get there.
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You may have an idea, but it's sometimes you finish a movie and you don't know what it is.
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And you know what?
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We've tried to draw up as much raw sensation as this table can muster.
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You did pretty good at the end here.
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So maybe this is the best time to ask this question, maybe it's the worst time, but I am curious, what is it
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that makes you feel alive? um it's it's easiest probably to find in nature or when you're performing um
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or when you're doing other things sometimes i think i know as you're insinuating yeah it's not washing dishes um
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but you lose yourself in a funny way and you take on that um
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you know you melt into what is that's it
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and you know what i feel that's a pretty serious question for the end my friend
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and that's how we go out
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and you know what i feel like i feel like i've
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melted into whatever this is it's coming it's coming it's coming back
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and just in time
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because look at you taking on the wings of death living
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to tell the tale now there's nothing left to do
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but roll out the red carpet for you this camera this
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camera this camera let the people know what you have going
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on in your life uh okay um well i've got a
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bunch of movies coming out late fame uh gonzo girl tensing
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this story about the summiting of everest uh werewolves coming from
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uh rob eggers uh december uh christmas day a christmas movie for you and uh now it's hitting me.
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Good night.
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Ciao, ciao, ciao.
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It's starting to happen.
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Cool.
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I'm glad I did it.
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And yeah, respect.
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You'll be like, you have that in the trophy case forever.
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I beat Hotwoods.
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All right.
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And that's not nothing.
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That's not nothing.
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Gotcha.
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Gotcha.
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Yeah, I like it.
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일상 대화에 유용한 상위 5개 표현
- "an embarrassment of possibilities": "굉장히 많은 가능성"을 뜻하는 표현으로, 여러 가지 기회나 선택지가 넘치는 상황에서 사용합니다. 예: "이번 프로젝트는 an embarrassment of possibilities가 있어서 고민이 많아요."
- "get a little sweat on": "약간 땀을 흘리다"는 뜻으로, 매운 음식을 먹거나 운동할 때 자주 사용됩니다. 예: "오늘은 매운 라면을 먹어서 get a little sweat on 했어요."
- "flirt with ghosts": "유령과 눈맞추다"라는 직역뜻이지만, 실제로는 "과거의 사람이나 기억과 연결되다" 또는 "전설적인 인물의 정신을 느끼다"는 의미입니다. 연기 관련 대화에서 자주 사용됩니다. 예: "그 배우는 역사적인 인물을 연기할 때 항상 flirt with ghosts 하면서 연기를 합니다."
- "slight anxiety": "약간의 불안"을 뜻하며, 일상적인 상황에서 불안감을 표현할 때 사용합니다. 예: "시험 전에는 slight anxiety가 느껴져서 잠을 잘 못 잤어요."
- "revisit that": "나중에 다시 이야기하다"는 뜻으로, 대화에서 일시적으로 다른 주제로 넘어갔다가 나중에 다시 돌아오고 싶을 때 사용합니다. 예: "지금은 시간이 없으니까 revisit that 하도록 하죠."
스텝바이스텝 샤도잉 가이드
이 영상은 속도가 빠르고 유머러스한 표현이 많아 샤도잉 연습에 좋습니다. 다음 단계로 연습해보세요:
- 영상을 2-3번 반복해서 듣기: 대화의 흐름과 발음, 억양을 익힙니다. 특히 "get a little sweat on"이나 "flirt with ghosts"와 같은 관용구의 발음을 주의깊게 듣습니다.
- 짧은 구절로 나눠서 따라하기: 5-10초 단위로 구절을 나누고, 화자의 발음과 억양, 속도를 최대한 비슷하게 따라합니다. "an embarrassment of possibilities"와 같은 긴 구절은 단어별로 분해해서 연습합니다.
- 녹음해서 비교하기: 자신이 따라한 것을 녹음하고 원본과 비교합니다. 발음이 틀린 부분이나 억양이 다른 부분을 찾아서 수정합니다. shadow speech 연습에 가장 중요한 것은 정확성입니다.
- 자연스러운 대화로 변환하기: 배운 표현을 일상 대화에 적용해보세요. 예를 들어 "slight anxiety"를 사용해서 "약속에 늦을까 봐 slight anxiety가 생겼어요"와 같이 말해보면 실력이 향상됩니다.
이와 같은 방법으로 연습하면, 영상 속의 표현을 자연스럽게 사용할 수 있을 뿐만 아니라 shadowing site에서 제공하는 다양한 자료와 함께 연습하면 더욱 효과적입니다. shadowspeak은 영어 발음과 말하기 능력을 키우는 가장 좋은 방법 중 하나이니 꾸준히 연습해보세요.
이 영상의 문법
화자가 가장 많이 쓰는 문형을 영상 속 실제 표현과 함께 정리했습니다.
| 문형 | 영상 속 표현 |
|---|---|
| 조건문 if + 절, will/would + 동사 — 조건과 그 결과 | if you're not careful they'll leave · if you'll if you'll humor |
| 현재완료 have/has + 과거분사 — 과거의 일이 지금도 관련이 있을 때 | I've heard · you've said · i've been |
| 수동태 be + 과거분사 — 누가 하는지보다 무슨 일이 일어나는지에 초점 | were given · was called · be filmed |
| 관계절 who / which + 절 — 사람이나 사물에 대한 추가 정보 | naked, which is · somebody who seeks |
쉐도잉이란? 영어 실력을 빠르게 키우는 과학적 방법
쉐도잉(Shadowing)은 원래 전문 통역사 훈련을 위해 개발된 언어 학습 기법으로, 다언어 학자인 Dr. Alexander Arguelles에 의해 대중화된 방법입니다. 핵심 원리는 간단하지만 매우 강력합니다: 원어민의 영어를 들으면서 1~2초의 짧은 지연으로 즉시 소리 내어 따라 말하는 것——마치 '그림자(shadow)'처럼 화자를 따라가는 것입니다. 문법 공부나 수동적인 청취와 달리, 쉐도잉은 뇌와 입 근육이 동시에 실시간으로 영어를 처리하고 재현하도록 훈련합니다. 연구에 따르면 이 방법은 발음 정확도, 억양, 리듬, 연음, 청취력, 말하기 유창성을 크게 향상시킵니다. IELTS 스피킹 준비와 자연스러운 영어 소통을 원하는 분들에게 특히 효과적입니다.