Shadowing-Übung: ‘We don’t have months’: Bernie Sanders sounds alarm on AI's 'extinction' threat - Englisch Sprechen Lernen mit Video
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A bombshell sudden departure from a top AI researcher is ringing alarm bells about the dangers of the industry, and they are being heard everywhere across the world and in Washington, D.C.
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Today, Jacob Coxon announced out of nowhere that he is quitting his role training new AI models for Anthropic, citing his concerns that the lab and its competitors like OpenAI,
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Google, and others are racing to build systems that they will not be able to control.
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I was working on building AI systems to make them smarter.
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And recently I've come to the realization that many people expect the AI systems in the next few years
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to be potentially capable of essentially taking over the world.
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This technology is not ordinary technology.
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It's not like other forms of innovation.
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This is essentially a super weapon.
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We know how to control nuclear weapons pretty much.
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We don't yet know how to control AI.
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This is possibly the most dangerous technology that humanity has ever created.
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People are begging for regulation.
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I think it's just a matter of international somebody stepping in
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and being able to ensure that we don't race ourselves into extinction.
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That kind of dire warning has begun to capture the attention of politicians, many of whom are belatedly waking up to the dangers of this technology for the role,
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the needed role of the government in some regulatory structure.
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One of the politicians actually been out front on legislating this from early on is Senator Bernie Sanders.
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And Senator Sanders, independent of Vermont, joins me now.
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Senator, I know this is something that you've been spending a lot of time thinking about and talking about recently.
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It seems like with this, there's a few things that have happened in the last few weeks.
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This incident in which an open AI model was able to sort of break out of open AI
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and get out of the Internet and commit a felony by hacking another company, which if a human did it, like that's a crime.
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And then a bunch of these departures, including coxswains saying, this is going too fast.
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We're going somewhere very dangerous.
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My question for you is, OK, so what can be done?
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What what should we do if you've got all these people saying this is not good?
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Well, there's an obvious answer to that, Chris.
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If all of these guys acknowledge they're building a dangerous technology and they don't know where this technology is going,
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you don't have to be genius is to say hey stop
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that development certainly we don't want to go into super intelligent
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ai we got to ban that and we got to stop right now
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and figure out how we make sure that ai
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and robotics work for ordinary people and not just make mr musk
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and other billionaires even reach up that ain't complicated
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and in fact on thursday i'm bringing in some of the uh most uh knowledgeable people on this issue into Capitol Hill.
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We've got a closed door meeting.
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I invited the entire United States Senate, some House members.
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Hopefully out of that can come some serious legislation to control AI, which is in fact what the American people want.
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The stop, I mean, stop seems, you know, that seems simple enough.
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Here's I want to read you a quote from from someone who replied to his ex-colleague Jacob Cox,
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who I just played, who said he earnestly believes that people inside the labs earnestly believe that they might, you know, imperil all of humanity.
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And this is someone, Anthropik, who says he's correct.
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We really do earnestly believe AI could kill all humans.
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I personally think it's greater than 10 percent within the next decade.
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I believe Anthropik is trying its best, but we not yet have a plan to solve alignment for super intelligence and are not clearly on track.
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So two things.
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First is.
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Why would you want to win a race off a cliff?
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Right.
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So tell them to stop.
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Right.
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Moratorium.
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But again, that legislation takes a long time.
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I guess my question here is, it sort of seems like we're at a tipping point now-ish.
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Like, are you worried about the timescale that the political system works on and that the technology is developing?
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Well, I'm worried about a lot of things.
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I'm worried about the power of the AI industry, which is owned by some of the wealthiest people on Earth.
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If you talked a moment ago about the role of money in politics, and we've got a corrupt campaign finance system,
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the AI industry is prepared to spend hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars to oppose any type of sensible legislation.
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That concerns me.
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And the other concern is that the political process moves very slowly under the best of circumstances.
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So what we have got to do now is light a match under the backsides of members of Congress and say, you know what?
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We don't have months.
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We don't have years.
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We got to move now.
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And maybe the very first thing we can do is to convince our president, who appears to know absolutely nothing about AI and the dangers of AI,
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to sit down with President Xi of China
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and work on a moratorium on preventing the development of super intelligent AI
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and a pause so that we don't get into real trouble for the future of humanity.
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I'm glad you brought that up because it speaks to two things.
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One is a lot of people say, well, if we don't do it, the Chinese or someone else will build it.
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Right.
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Which, again, OK, I mean, you know, if there's if there's two countries are going to create a weapon that extinguishes humanity, I think it's better if we go down to one.
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Personally, it seems like we've gotten half we've sort of solved half the problem.
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But but there is actually like an upcoming bilateral meeting between the president of China and the president of the US.
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We're like, this will be a top agenda item.
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And there could actually be some movement on this.
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Again, this isn't like some abstract thing.
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It's gonna happen the next few weeks.
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Absolutely.
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And look, think back in the 1980s where you had Gorbachev,
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head of the soviet union ronald reagan a conservative president of the united states disagreed on everything
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but they did understand that a nuclear war would not be good for either country
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or for the world they reached a nuclear arms agreement and
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that is exactly what we have got to do right now
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and i hope that there are people in the trump administration who are prepared to push the president to do that.
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And I will tell you this, that the polling is now off of the charts.
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It's not only that people don't want data centers in their own communities.
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They are very frightened about the inaction of Congress, and they want Congress to take action.
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They're worried about the existential threat that these scientists and researchers are talking about.
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They want us to act, and it's incumbent upon us to do just that.
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I want to just leave you with the polling on that, just to fact check you here.
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New polling out from research for progress, data for research, progress for progress research, sorry.
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Voters who support regulating AI by party, Democrats, 72%, independents, 70%, Republicans, 63%.
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So there really is a growing consensus on this.
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That's not hyperbole, Senator Bernie Sanders.
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Thanks for making time with us tonight.
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I really appreciate it.
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Good.
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Thank you.
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