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All right, it's time for part two of what we discussed last week.
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It started as a massive argument.
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It was very intense.
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We were all shouting and screaming at each other.
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But it led to Blay reforming his ways, becoming quieter, more soft -spoken, more thoughtful.
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And out of that new persona came a decent pitch.
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He said, hey, Blay, why don't you repeat it?
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My pitch, what?
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Oh, man.
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He's still learning.
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No, he's doing it.
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I'm taking the - Don't listen to her.
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Last week, you guys said I should lean back and I should be softer and not grip the mic.
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And so I'm going to do that.
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I hate this.
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I like it.
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My pitch last week was you had said you were in the movie.
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If I had legs, I'd kick you as a dramatic role.
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And you had said you're not looking for any more dramatic roles.
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So my pitch was like Daniel Day -Lewis coming out of retirement.
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What kind of role would you come out of retirement for to what new?
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It is not.
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Oh, you know what?
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It's OK.
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What role - You know what?
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This is a new persona and those take time to get used to.
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What role would you, what dramatic role would you do next if you were - We got it, we got it.
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You could have ended the sentence there.
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Look what you guys did.
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But I did it softly, right?
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Look what you did to my boy.
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Yes, yes.
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I did it softly.
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You know what?
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I like it when you're inarticulate quietly.
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Okay.
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I'm just saying, I did do it softly.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I leaned back.
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Okay, good.
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Very good, we're done with that.
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Okay, sorry.
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Let's get onto the idea itself.
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Here's the idea, yes.
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The idea involves me and I think it's worthy of discussion.
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Um, well, famously, Daniel Day -Lewis has retired, I think, several times from acting.
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And when he does, he doesn't just, you know, mow the lawn.
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He's very interested in, I think, making shoes.
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He's a cobbler.
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He's a cobbler.
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And I've actually driven through the town in Ireland where he lives and he makes shoes.
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So if you can imagine, and he makes them the old -fashioned way uh
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and that's what's fascinating to me is
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that this maybe our greatest actor in the world makes shoes
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when he chooses not to act so let's have everyone imagine
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that i i completed my role in if i had legs i'd kick you
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and uh i've retired to my small village
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and i make uh late 19th century prosthetics for people who've lost their feet in a mining accident
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and that's just That's my hobby.
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And so people come in and they say, I lost my foot.
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And I say, ah, sit there and have some cider.
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And then I do various measurements and then I - While they wait?
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While they wait.
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And I say, and you know what they, while they're waiting, they have to live off only cider.
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And then I go into the woods with like a 19th century saw
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and I pick out the best old tree I can find.
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And I fell off a giant tree, a massive, beautiful tree that's been around for a thousand years and then I take one tiny piece of it.
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For a finger.
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For a toe that was lost by this guy.
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And then I go back and while he's dying now, cause it's been a while, I had to go to a tree in the Pacific Northwest and he's in Jersey,
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but I will craft that.
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And that's what I do.
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But then one of my fans has a great idea for a role I should play.
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And it pulls me away from my craft
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and I come back to the world of acting and people are just as excited as when Daniel Day -Lewis re -enters.
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I see.
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Just as excited.
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This is an alternate universe where that would be possible.
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Gotcha.
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Yeah.
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So I guess - Where you can fell a tree.
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Listen, I've read a lot of books, Sona.
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I've read a lot of books about manual labor.
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Okay.
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I've just finished a book called Exertion.
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And so I'm quite, I'm quite certain that when the time comes for me to do something with my hands or body, I will know how to do it.
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Long hours in the libraries.
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So that's what we're talking about, I guess, is what role would I, what role would I do?
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And I guess we're gonna turn this out to the fans, right?
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Well, we can do that, but we can discuss it amongst ourselves.
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No, we'll discuss it first amongst ourselves and then maybe it will end with a challenge to the fans.
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Tell me what role I should play.
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Yeah, maybe there'll be some good ideas we can discuss at a further time.
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But the one staring us right in the face is that. Is Pippi.
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Pippi Longstocking, yeah.
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Me play Pippi Longstocking?
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Is that what you were going to say?
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No, but that's pretty good.
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Pippi Longstocking is, well, okay.
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Pippi, refresh my memory because I'm sure you're going to know about Pippi.
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Well, we've talked about Pippi an inordinate amount of times on this podcast for some reason.
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Well, we have.
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There are certain topics that naturally draw humans to conversation.
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Do you know that we talked about it so much so
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that they did a documentary on her in Sweden
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and they reached out to me because of this podcast and I'm on that.
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That documentary talking about my experience with Pippi.
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That warms my heart.
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Well, Sweden, we're thinking of you and thanks for the work.
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Yeah, I mean, me to play, is Pippi, how old is Pippi?
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Is Pippi in her 20s?
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No. Teens?
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No, I mean, yeah, she's like 12 or 13.
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Oh, she's 12 or 13?
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I thought she was super strong.
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She is.
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Do they ever explain why she is so strong?
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I don't think they do.
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It's not like it's the, she's far from the red sun.
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No, that's Superman.
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Yeah, okay.
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No, she's just got magical kind of strength.
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It's just like wonderful, youthful.
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Wow, what a great origin story.
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Hey, this is who I am.
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Quit asking.
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I could be wrong.
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I don't know.
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Coated Green Lantern.
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Hey, this is what I do.
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Leave me alone.
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My experience with Pippi is only the dubbed American versions of the Swedish movies, so I don't even know.
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Well, anyway, no, it's not going to be Pippi.
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Okay.
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Because I don't think I can play an 11 -year -old girl.
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The one I was thinking of is this year specifically, they have to cast a new James Bond you know uh
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well that would I'm not suggesting
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that oh okay I'm just saying let's get let's take it
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off the table uh well are they looking at um long in the tooth
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Irishman
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who've lived who've lived in America for a couple hundred years
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I guess Pierce Brosnan's a long in the tooth Irishman they
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could just go back they should get yeah can you be suave
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and British oh come on do you even do a British
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accent I've never heard you do a British accent well first
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of all does he have to be British he distinctively
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so yeah i mean that's the one thing he has to be look where they know
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that they're going to make changes you know bond has to change with the times right
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so i'm thinking of a bond he's from just outside boston
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in brooklyn massachusetts you're not far off you know they considered burt reynolds they screen tested james brolin is
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that true considered adam west at one time too oh my
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god yeah well they dodged some bullets there probably uh i mean and i love those I love everyone you just mentioned, but yes, it has to be British.
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Has to be British.
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No, there's no way I could be James Bond.
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Because yes, I think I have the suave sophistication.
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And I think I have the temperament.
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I think my fight scenes would be quite unusual.
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And I love that my Bond would be a Bond who, anytime he has to use the gadget, call Sona and ask Sona how to use the gadget.
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Where is Q?
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Yeah.
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But in real time, like I'm fighting the Russian agent
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and I call you to figure out how to use the thing in my watch
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that turns it into a Garrett so I can strangle him.
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And you have to walk me through it while I download the app.
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I don't pick up and then I call David and then you call David.
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David doesn't pick up.
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Then you start like doing all bits on our voicemail and then you die.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, this is enough.
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It's gonna be the shortest James Bond movie.
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Sounds good.
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Yeah, but then the end of the movie is just playing all the bits that I did on the phone.
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You mean like Cannonball Run bloopers style over the credits?
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Yes, exactly.
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Just bits, bits, bits.
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And people say like, the movie's terrible, but stick around for the credit bed because those bits with Sona and David are okay.
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All right, so let's take Bond and Pippi off the table as much as we don't want to.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, my question was if there was a biopic you would do.
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Oh, right.
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And then I thought like, oh, but then you'd want to be like Lyndon Johnson.
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Slenderman.
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Treasurer's secretary.
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Slenderman.
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Yeah.
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No, I mean, that's a really good question.
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I don't know what historical figure I'm most like.
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I'm the exact height of Lincoln.
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Speaking of Daniel Day -Lewis, though.
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Yeah.
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Would you be ready to come on the heels of that recent film and try to one -up it?
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I have problems with his Lincoln.
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I do and he's a great and I thought he nailed it in a lot of ways
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but I didn't see him ever look to camera and like make faces or anything
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I didn't see him once that's what you would bring to the role I would step yeah
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and I would do a lot I'd do a lot of
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breaking the fourth wall this is your camera let's see a little Lincoln
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well I guess I gotta go to the theater oh
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might not be a good idea if you know what I mean oh you know oh my god
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do you know what I mean oh my god Oh God.
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Wait, Lincoln knows what's gonna happen to him?
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Yeah, he knows, but he thinks it's all kind of fun.
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You know, and yeah, he's like, let's go to the theater, I could get shot.
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Well, it's our American cousin.
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It's pretty funny, maybe worth it.
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You know, he knows what's happening.
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He's kind of okay with it.
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Feels where I'll be sitting in case anyone's curious.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But I mean, I think there are many similarities between Lincoln and I, I think.
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Like we're both kind of tall, rangy, sharp cheek -boned guys that just stepped out of the prairie and gave a new hope of freedom to America.
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Depression, we both had.
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Let's go ahead and take that off the table.
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Okay, no Lincoln.
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Pippi and James Bond is more likely.
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Okay, yeah.
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No, I don't know what I would do.
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Oh, one idea is.
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You know, they get the opposites.
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They get two guys who are completely unlike each other to be in a cop movie.
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Yeah.
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And I've often thought, what if me and Oliphant were in a movie?
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This is good.
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And it's a cop movie.
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And, you know, he's, he's the, he means Tim Oliphant.
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So he's incredibly cool and he knows what he's doing
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and then uh i'm the guy who uh let's face it shouldn't be there
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so it's that kind of thing what do we think i like this i actually i really like
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that idea yeah just so oliphant can come in here
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and like pitch not pitch the movie but like promote the movie
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and stuff just another excuse to have him come back two cops couldn't it be
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that he's a cop and you're like an insurance adjuster
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that he has to almost midnight run style has to get guess what how about this closer to reality
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he's a cop
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and i know this has been done a million times is
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the actor who has to sit go on some ride -alongs with him that's been done a lot no
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but not for a movie has it yeah it has yeah i think 55 times
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but anyway um that is not the way we go i'm a podcaster
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we we take it home to what we actually do it's closer to home yeah this is good
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so i'm a podcaster or a former late night host.
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Right.
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But I think podcaster puts us more in the zeitgeist.
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So are you doing a true crime podcast where you've got to ride along with this guy
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because the case is about him?
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Yeah.
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Oh, that's cool.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But I'm a real, yeah, exactly.
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It's a did he or didn't he?
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So there's a level of threat.
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But also I'm always, I've got my equipment, my podcast equipment.
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Yeah.
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And so there's that comedy.
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There's me constantly bothering him.
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Oh, I'm thinking right now, only murders in the building is about podcasting okay there's everything's about podcasting now sadly okay yeah
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that does that bumps me out and i even i know those guys
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and some say i really inspire them um i think i'm
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uh sounds like they're inspiring you right now yeah um yeah i don't know
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if i'm a podcaster then i don't know what about a
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journalist boring okay boring okay um yeah i'm a contest winner
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i don't know there's got to be a reason why a
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guy like me is riding around with tim holofent who's a really good detective
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or cop but we'll figure that out i know
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but he he has been accused of maybe some going over
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the line he's a bit of a loose cannon he's a he's a quiet kind of cool loose cannon
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and you're the ia internal affairs guy
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that has to follow him around to see
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if he's actually going too far do you get loose cannon though from i get well
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when he's in here definitely oh yeah yeah that's true i don't mean loose cannon
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that he's crazy but like a martin riggs from lethal weapon like he could crack
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or he could go too far
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and be a vigilante you know like he could administer his own justice
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and you have to figure this out just not sensing it i don't think you have it i don't think
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and okay but i just want to say
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that pitch was what we're trying to get blay to do right
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that kind of style you know what do you mean just
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yeah just how it was delivered you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah yeah
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that was very chill your pitch style was terrific Okay, thank you.
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Your pitch style was terrific.
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The pitch itself was, you know, a rotted corn on the cob.
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That's fine.
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But I don't think it's quite right.
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Yes, Ablay?
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I have a quiet pitch, which is going off your idea.
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There is a hostage situation and you're the hostage negotiator brought in.
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But it's your first day.
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Okay.
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I'm just trying to think of something that jumps out at studio executives.
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And by the way, studio executives today who are on the ropes, what's working?
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Nothing's working.
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And you come in, And it's gotta be something that makes their minds explode.
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Now, first of all, you say you've got Tim Oliphant, they're interested.
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Then you say Conan O 'Brien's involved too.
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They're very excited, you know?
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Very excited.
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More so than Timothy Oliphant?
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Is that what you said?
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Is that what you're saying?
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And listen, no offense to Tim Oliphant, and Tim's a good friend of mine.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, okay.
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Oh, more excited.
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Okay, all right.
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I was gonna say with your hostage one, I'd rather the hostage be a woman so that they can do it.
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Like the whole thing is, how do we get Tim Oliphant naked?
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This victim hostage woman is going to have sex with her captor?
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That's the biggest case of Stockholm Syndrome I've ever.
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Can I just say, no one who goes to a Conan O 'Brien movie expects or wants to see sex.
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So this is for the rare moviegoer who hates the idea of sex and never wants to see it.
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Hear me out.
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You're not in, you're an extra.
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So you're like, only show up for a second
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and then the rest of it is like people doing it with each other
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and then he's eventually cut out anyway yeah okay i think
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studio executives who are on the ropes right now are looking to maybe make the next heated rivalry
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and so maybe it's a conan timothy oliphant
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and you guys have a little romance you know what
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so he's some kind of athlete because he can pull that off yeah and I'm a guy who was an athlete, but then fell into a vat of chemicals,
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like the Joker, and it turned my hair red and made me all stretchy and pale and long.
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Okay, this is good.
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Yeah, and so, but we, when I used to be an athlete, we would pal around.
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And so, but now we're together.
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And what are we doing together?
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Cause he feels badly for me and I'm comic relief.
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I'm hanging around.
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and I don't think he could be a current day athlete.
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So he's a retired athlete, right?
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Because I think, I'm looking it up right now.
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I was saying that they do it.
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I was saying that even if it was a cop and negotiator situation, you guys are finding a way to do it.
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So it's me and Tim, hold on, it's me and Tim getting it on, because we're in love with each other.
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Did I also fall into a vat of chemicals?
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Yes, that's in every one of these pitches.
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Okay, that's a given.
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Yeah, I mean, that's for sure.
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Let's just say the way people buy me in a movie is if I fell into a vat of chemicals.
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That's crucial.
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What about this?
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That's the other - He's a veteran gigolo and you're a gigolo in training.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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Who fell into a vat of chemicals.
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For sure, this goes without saying.
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I know I'm, okay, okay.
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This was in every pitch we talk about from here on out.
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He's the veteran and he's training him?
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No, no, no, no. Well, he for some reason wants a career, like late stage career change.
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No, no, this is what happened.
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This is what happened.
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Okay.
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Tim is a roommate.
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I'm a podcaster, former late night host who lives with Tim Olyphant, who, that's not his name.
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His name's Chet Chasnick, and Chet,
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we'll work this out, we'll figure this out, but Chet is a gigolo, okay?
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And then I've always been a little jealous of that.
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Then I fall into chemicals.
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There's obviously - The podcast bubble bursts.
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You're dying and you just want to have a sexcapade.
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And so you're like, show me the ways.
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Okay.
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I didn't realize.
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Okay.
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Well, there's dying.
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I was going to say, I fall into chemicals.
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I'm in the hospital and they're doing rehab on me.
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And they say, you need to find a new hobby.
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And I say, well, my roommate is a gigolo, but I know so little about it.
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I call it gigolo.
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That's how little I know about it.
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And you pay the women to do you.
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Yes.
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And I don't have a job.
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And Tim is really, Tim is like, what?
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And he gets arrested for soliciting prostitution.
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And the movie ends.
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Yeah.
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No, and because - And then he falls in another vat of chemicals.
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Wait, the police go to arrest me.
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I'm totally confused, because I think what I'm doing, first of all, I know that I'm doing something wrong, because I'm losing a ton of money as a gigolo, or as I call it, gigolo.
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And then the police come to arrest me.
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I run away, and while they're chasing me, I fall into more chemicals.
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Yes, and the movie's called Gust -a -Giggolo.
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I'm Gust -a -Giggolo.
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Everywhere I Joe.
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Okay, I gotta go.
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It checks out, it checks out if you do the math.
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You know what, it checks out if you have a piece of paper and you've just written rap, and you're showing it to me, I guess it checks out.
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In the weird, look, I guess it all checks out.
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It checks out, it checks out, it checks out.
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That reminds me of bad, my least favorite thing about improv is when you go see improv and the people on stage are like, well, I'm in a chocolate factory.
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I make blenders.
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Wait, what?
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No, you don't.
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I'm your father.
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My father's dead.
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And they just look at the audience and the director walks out and goes, and scene, like they nailed it.
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That's what you do when you hold up this rap at that point.
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I disagree.
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Nicely done.
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Okay.
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Let's put it out to the fans
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if you think of a really good movie i could be in yeah um
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and i'm gonna even say it could be an existing franchise where i would slot in nicely
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and i'm serious like i'm i'm not looking to do more i i think uh
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and cinema isn't asking me to do more
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but should the right idea come i might do it
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so this is open yeah and so let's hear your ideas fans okay great we'll uh to be continued

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영어의 리듬은 강세와 약세가 번갈아가며 이루어집니다. 이 대화에서 "My pitch last week was you had said you were in the movie"에서 "pitch", "last", "week", "said", "movie"에 강세가 가해져 자연스러운 리듬을 만듭니다. 영어 쉐도잉을 할 때는 이 강세를 따라가면서 말하는 속도도 조절해야 합니다. 예를 들어, "I did it softly, right?"에서 "softly"와 "right"에 강세를 주고, "I'm just saying, I did do it softly"에서 "just", "saying", "did", "softly"를 강조하면 원어민처럼 말하는 느낌을 살릴 수 있습니다. 이렇게 리듬과 강세를 연습하면 영상 영어 공부를 더 효과적으로 할 수 있습니다.

이 영상의 문법

화자가 가장 많이 쓰는 문형을 영상 속 실제 표현과 함께 정리했습니다.

문형영상 속 표현
조건문 if + 절, will/would + 동사 — 조건과 그 결과If I had legs, I'd kick · if i had legs i'd kick · if there was a biopic you would do
현재완료 have/has + 과거분사 — 과거의 일이 지금도 관련이 있을 때has retired · I've actually driven · i've retired
수동태 be + 과거분사 — 누가 하는지보다 무슨 일이 일어나는지에 초점was lost · has been done · been done
관계절 who / which + 절 — 사람이나 사물에 대한 추가 정보guys who are · guy who uh · pitch, which is

쉐도잉이란? 영어 실력을 빠르게 키우는 과학적 방법

쉐도잉(Shadowing)은 원래 전문 통역사 훈련을 위해 개발된 언어 학습 기법으로, 다언어 학자인 Dr. Alexander Arguelles에 의해 대중화된 방법입니다. 핵심 원리는 간단하지만 매우 강력합니다: 원어민의 영어를 들으면서 1~2초의 짧은 지연으로 즉시 소리 내어 따라 말하는 것——마치 '그림자(shadow)'처럼 화자를 따라가는 것입니다. 문법 공부나 수동적인 청취와 달리, 쉐도잉은 뇌와 입 근육이 동시에 실시간으로 영어를 처리하고 재현하도록 훈련합니다. 연구에 따르면 이 방법은 발음 정확도, 억양, 리듬, 연음, 청취력, 말하기 유창성을 크게 향상시킵니다. IELTS 스피킹 준비와 자연스러운 영어 소통을 원하는 분들에게 특히 효과적입니다.

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