Shadowing Practice: Learning a language? Speak it like you’re playing a video game | Marianna Pascal | TEDxPenangRoad - Learn English Speaking with YouTube
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Reviewer Gopalco
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So, for the past 20 years,
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I've been helping Malaysians and other Southeast Asians to speak better English.
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And through training thousands of Southeast Asians,
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I've discovered a very surprising truth.
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I've discovered that how well somebody communicates in English actually has very little to do with their English level.
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It has a lot to do with their attitude towards English.
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There are people out there who have a very,
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very low level of English and they can communicate very very well.
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One of them that I remember was a student,
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a participant of mine named Faisal.
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He was a factory supervisor.
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English level very very low,
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but this guy could just sit and listen to anybody very calmly,
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clearly, and then he could respond absolutely,
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express his thoughts beautifully at a very low level of English.
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So today I want to share with you what is
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so different about people like Faisal how do they do it
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and second of all why is this so important not only to you
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but to your children to your community and to the future of Malaysia
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and third of all what's one thing you can do starting today
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if you want to speak with that calm clear confidence
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that people like Faisal has so first of all what is
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so different how do people like Faisal do it so to answer
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that question I'm going to take you back about 10 years okay
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so I was training staff at that time and my daughter at
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that time was taking piano lessons
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and I started to notice two really strong similarities between my daughter's attitude
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or thinking towards playing the piano and a lot of Malaysians thinking
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or attitude towards English now first of I should tell you my daughter absolutely hated piano,
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hated the lessons, hated practicing.
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This is my daughter practicing piano, okay?
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This is as good as it got.
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This is the real thing.
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And she dreaded going to piano lessons because to my daughter,
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going to piano lessons, she was filled with this sort of dread because it was all about not screwing up, right?
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because like for a lot of piano students,
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to both my daughter and her teacher,
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her success in piano was measured by how few mistakes she made.
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Now at the same time,
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I noticed that a lot of Malaysians went into English conversations with the same sort of feeling of dread,
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this sort of feeling that they were going to be judged by how many mistakes they were going to make
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and whether or not they were going to screw up.
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Now the second similarity that I noticed was to do a self-image.
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You see, my daughter, she knew what good piano sounded like, right?
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Because we've all heard good piano.
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And she knew what her level was.
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And she knew how long she'd have to play for to speak,
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to play like that.
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And a lot of Malaysians,
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I noticed, had this idea of what good,
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proper English is supposed to sound like.
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And what their, I see a lot of you nodding.
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and what their English sounded like,
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and how far they'd have to go to get there.
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And they also felt like they were,
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like my daughter, just bad.
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Bad piano player, bad English speaker, right?
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My English is not so good, I cannot.
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Sorry, I cannot.
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So I could see these similarities,
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but I still couldn't figure out,
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okay, what is it about these people like Faizal,
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that are so different, that can just do it smoothly, calmly, with confidence?
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And one day I discovered that answer,
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and I discovered it quite by chance.
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It was a day when my computer broke down and I had to go to a cyber cafe.
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Now, okay, it was my first time,
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and I discovered cyber cafes are disgusting places, okay?
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They're really gross, they're smelly,
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and they're filled with boys,
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and they're all playing noisy, violent games.
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They're just disgusting places.
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But I had to go there.
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So I sit down and I start noticing this guy beside me.
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And I become very, very interested in this guy next to me.
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Now this guy is playing this game that is basically,
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it's like shooting people until they die.
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And that's it, right?
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That's the game, right?
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And I'm noticing that this guy is not very good.
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He's like, in fact, terrible, right?
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Because I'm looking and I'm seeing like a lot of shooting.
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and not much dying, right?
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But what really interested me was,
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behind this lousy player were three of his friends sort of standing there watching him play.
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And what I really noticed was,
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even though this guy was terrible,
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even though his friends were watching him,
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there was no embarrassment, there was no feeling of being judged,
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there was no shyness.
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In fact, quite the opposite this guy is like totally focused on the bad guy,
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smile on his face.
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All he can think about is killing these guys, right?
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And I'm watching him, and I suddenly realized this is it.
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This is the same attitude that people like Faisal have when they speak English,
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just like this guy.
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When Faisal goes into an English conversation, He doesn't feel judged.
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He's entirely focused on the person that he's speaking to and the result he wants to get.
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He's got no self-awareness, no thoughts about his own mistakes.
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Now, I want to share with you a real,
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true example, to paint a picture of somebody who speaks English like they're playing piano
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and someone who speaks English like they're playing a computer game.
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And this is a true story.
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Happened to me.
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A while ago, I was in a pharmacy.
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I had to buy Omega.
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My doctor said I should get Omega.
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And I go to the shelf, there's tons of Omega.
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There's Omega that's high in DHA,
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Omega that's high in EPA.
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I don't know which one to buy.
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Now, the sales rep happened to be there,
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and I saw she was like this well-dressed professional woman.
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I walk over to her,
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and I see this look as she sees me,
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It's a look I recognize very well.
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Her eyes go all wide.
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It's sort of that panic,
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oh my God, I've got to speak to a native speaker,
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she's going to judge me and notice my mistakes.
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I go up to her and I explain my situation,
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which omega do I get,
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and she starts explaining to me everything about DHA and EPA you could possibly imagine.
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She speaks very quickly, goes all around in circles,
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And when she finishes, no idea what to buy.
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So I turn to the girl behind the counter.
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Now, the girl behind the counter,
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I heard her before, her English level is very low.
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But when I walk over to her this girl
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there's no fear in fact she's just looking at me you know
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that look like yeah okay so how yeah I've been in Malaysia a long time
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so I go up to her
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and I explain the problem EPA DHA she looks at me
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she says okay up EPA for heart DHA for brain your heart okay
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or not I said yeah yeah I said my heart is
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really it's I think it's pretty good she says your brain okay
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or not I said yeah no no my brain is not
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as good as it used to be she looked she said okay you take omega dha can
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problem solved right
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so we've got two different kinds of communicators we've got the one who's got a high level
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but totally focused on herself and getting it right and therefore very ineffective
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we've got another one low level totally focused on the person she's talking to
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and getting a result effective and therein lies the difference
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now why is this distinction so important not just to you to your children
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but to the future of malaysia and countries like malaysia
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and to answer
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that let's take a look at who actually is speaking english in the world today okay
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if we looked at all of the english conversations in the
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whole world taking place right now on planet earth we would see that for every native speaker like me
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there are five non-native speakers and
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if we listen to every conversation in english on planet earth right now we would notice
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that 96 percent of those conversations involved non-native english speakers only 4% of those conversations are native speaker to native speaker.
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This is not my language anymore.
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This language belongs to you.
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It's not an art to be mastered.
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It's just a tool to use to get a result.
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And I want to give you a real-life example of what English is today in the world,
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real English today.
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This is another true story.
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I was at a barbecue a little while ago.
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This was a barbecue for engineers,
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engineers from all over the world.
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And they were making hot dogs.
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Now, some of the hot dogs were regular hot dogs,
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and some were these cheese hot dogs,
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you know, with the cheese in the middle.
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French engineer is cooking the hot dogs,
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and he turns to this Korean engineer and he says,
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Would you like a hot dog?
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And the Korean guy says, Yes, please.
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He says, do you want the cheese?
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And the Korean guy looks around at the table.
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He says, I know sea cheese.
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French guy says, ah, the hot dog contains the cheese.
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Korean guy doesn't understand him, right?
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So the French engineer tries again.
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The hot dog is making with the cheese.
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Korean guy still doesn't understand.
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He tries again.
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He says, the cheese is coming from the hot dog.
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Korean guy cannot understand.
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Now, this Japanese engineer who's been listening to this conversation,
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turns to the Korean engineer and he says,
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Ah, ah, ah, ah, chisa integrator.
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He understands.
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Okay?
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Everybody understands.
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So this is what English is today.
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It's just a tool to play around with to get a result,
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like a computer game.
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Now the challenge is that we know in schools all around the world,
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right, English is not really being taught like it's a tool to play with.
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It's still being taught like it's an art to master.
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And students are judged more on correctness than on clarity.
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Some of you might remember the old comprehension exam in school.
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Anybody remember in school when you would get a question about a text that you read?
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You'd have to read through some text, right?
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And then answer a question to show that you understood the text.
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And this may have happened to you,
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that you showed that you understood the text,
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but you got a big X because you made a little grammar mistake.
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Like this student.
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Now, this student clearly understood paragraph four,
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But no, not correct, because he left the letter N off the word environment.
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But in the real world, what would matter?
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In the real world, what would matter is,
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did you understand the email,
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or did you understand your customer,
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so that you can go ahead and take action?
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Now, the problem that I see here,
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over and over, is that people take the attitude they developed about English in school,
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and they bring it into their adult life and into their work.
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And if you're in a stressful situation and you're having a conversation
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and you're trying to give a result to someone and say it correctly,
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your brain multitasks, it cannot do two things at once.
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And what I see is the brain just shutting down.
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And you may recognize these three symptoms of the brain shutting down.
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the first one is that your listening goes someone's talking to you
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and you're so busy thinking about how you're going to respond
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and and express yourself correctly you don't actually hear what the other person said
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and i can see a lot of nodding in the audience
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the second thing to go is you're speaking your mind sort of shuts down and that vocabulary you do know
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just disappears and the words don't come out.
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The third thing to go is your confidence.
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And the worst thing about this is you may only be confident because you cannot express yourself clearly,
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but to the person talking to you,
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they may misunderstand this as a lack of confidence in your ability to do the job, to perform.
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So if you want to speak English like Faisal with that great confidence,
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here's the one thing that you can do.
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When you speak, don't focus on yourself.
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Focus on the other person and the result you want to achieve.
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Imagine a next generation of Malaysians all with that wonderful confidence in communication that Faisal has at any level of English.
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because let's remember
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that English today it's not an art to be mastered it's just a tool to use to get a result
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and that tool belongs to you thank you
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Context & Background
In the enlightening TEDx talk featuring Marianna Pascal, listeners are introduced to an innovative perspective on learning English. With over two decades of experience in helping Southeast Asians enhance their English communication skills, Pascal reveals that proficiency in English is less about vocabulary or grammar and more about attitude. She shares inspiring anecdotes, notably about a factory supervisor named Faizal, who communicates effectively despite his low English proficiency. This talk emphasizes the importance of confidence and a positive mindset in achieving language fluency.
Top 5 Phrases for Daily Communication
To improve your English speaking practice, familiarize yourself with these essential phrases that can help you in everyday conversations:
- "Can you explain that to me?" - A polite way to seek clarity during discussions.
- "I understand the main idea, but..." - This phrase allows you to engage actively in conversations.
- "What do you think about...?" - Encourages dialogue and demonstrates your interest in others' opinions.
- "I'm learning English, so please be patient." - A great way to set realistic expectations during practice.
- "Thank you for your help!" - Always express gratitude, fostering a supportive communication environment.
Step-by-step Shadowing Guide
Shadowing is a powerful technique that can significantly enhance your English pronunciation and fluency. Follow these steps to make the most of Marianna Pascal's talk and improve your speaking skills:
- Select a video: Begin with “Learning a language? Speak it like you’re playing a video game” to immerse yourself in authentic English usage.
- Listen actively: Play the video and focus on Pascal's tone, rhythm, and intonation. Note how she conveys her messages confidently.
- Repeat aloud: Use the shadowspeaks method—speak along with the video. Mimic Pascal’s expressions and emotions to develop a natural style.
- Break it down: If you encounter complex sentences, pause the video and practice those phrases individually until you feel comfortable.
- Record yourself: Use a shadowing app to capture your voice as you practice. Playback will help you identify areas for improvement.
By integrating these steps into your learning routine, you'll gain confidence and clarity, just like the successful communicators highlighted by Pascal. Embrace the learning process, remember that making mistakes is part of growth, and most importantly, enjoy your journey in mastering English with YouTube!
What is the Shadowing Technique?
Shadowing is a science-backed language learning technique originally developed for professional interpreter training and popularized by polyglot Dr. Alexander Arguelles. The method is simple but powerful: you listen to native English audio and immediately repeat it out loud — like a shadow following the speaker with just a 1–2 second delay. Unlike passive listening or grammar drills, shadowing forces your brain and mouth muscles to simultaneously process and reproduce real speech patterns. Research shows it significantly improves pronunciation accuracy, intonation, rhythm, connected speech, listening comprehension, and speaking fluency — making it one of the most effective methods for IELTS Speaking preparation and real-world English communication.
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