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Well, the budget backlash is far from over this morning.
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Well, the budget backlash is far from over this morning.
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Small business owners from the PM's own electorate slamming the changes.
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Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, good piece this morning.
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66-year-old Richard Dignan, who owns Black Forest Smokehouse in Marrickville,
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says, We're working seven days a week.
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You work longer and you hope that you can make some money at the end of it.
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The hope that families have is now evaporating.
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Elsewhere, owner of Hawkesbury Flooring Extra in Windsor,
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Jennifer Mann posted this AI generated photo online writing,
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You build the business, pay wages,
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pay rent, carry floor samples like a pack mule,
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and your silent business partner,
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Albo, still clocks in for his cut every quarter.
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Jennifer joins us now.
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Jennifer, good morning to you.
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You are fed up, huh?
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Yeah, it's not great.
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How will the changes impact you?
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Carl, I've had my business for 10 years and I've had a five-year-old
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and an 11-year-old and now they're 15 and 21 so I've missed out on so much of their childhood and sleep,
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birthday parties and school excursions.
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On top of that I've had employees and I've paid my taxes.
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To think that when I pass on the business I sell
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and I have to give up to 47% after on the back of the hard work that I've done,
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it's pretty insulting.
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There are hundreds, literally hundreds of thousands of businesses like yours looking at this policy and just scratching their heads,
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frustrated, angry, anxious.
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What are they saying and feeling?
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I guess small businesses are just frustrated that from what I just said,
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you know, the work that we've put in and the Sundays we've missed and everything like that,
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to get another tax, especially after Albo has promised all the things that he wouldn't do that he did,
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it's not very great.
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Tell me about the taxes you pay,
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about how business is at the moment.
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We know it's getting tougher.
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It is getting tougher.
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In my industry, it's affecting so many different people.
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I would say I'd have maybe an installer a week asking me for work,
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which means that other stores like mine are also feeling the cost of living rising is not great.
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Yeah, so you can feel it in everything.
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Like, you know, I give out free measuring quotes I'm going I run a diesel car,
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you know, and that's not great.
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Cost of living for those buying the product.
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You've got the taxes, you've got rising interest rates,
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rising cost of fuel, any input is going up, right?
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I don't know how small businesses,
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some of you are going to survive.
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And then on the back end of it now,
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out of the blue, this comes.
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That's right.
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And, you know, our small business owners are definitely copying it all.
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We're not passing it all on.
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We're absorbing it because we have to be competitive and we want to stay in the game,
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so we have to just cope with ourselves,
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which we do, and we don't mind.
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Pardon the pun, but you have the floor.
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What do you want to say to the Prime Minister?
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Maybe if we start looking at getting our proper returns in gas and we start taxing international business better,
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maybe if he cuts the red tape and lets small business owners employ more people,
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get more apprentices in, and actually let us be the backbone of this country,
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that would be great.
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That's what I think.
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Hawkesbury flooring extra in Windsor.
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Thank you.
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Well said, sister.
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Keep fighting.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Sarah.
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Thank you, Carl.
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All right, well, let's see if we can get some clarity now on the different changes that we're seeing.
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Federal Cabinet Secretary and Economist Andrew Charlton joins me live now in the studio.
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Andrew, I know you couldn't hear everything that Jennifer was saying then,
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but she was essentially summarising how small businesses are feeling and you would have seen,
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you know, the backlash that the government's copped this past week.
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So how are you addressing the concerns of people like Jennifer?
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Well first let me say that small businesses really are the beating heart of Australia's economy.
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Small businesses employ more than half of all Australians.
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They're the backbone of our economy I say that as somebody who started a small business,
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who grew that small business and we know that it's really tough for small businesses right now.
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They've got costs going up,
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they've got interest rates going up and there's a lot in this budget to help small businesses.
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We've got lost carryback reforms which will really help.
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We're introducing a permanent instant asset write-off that will help.
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Sole traders will get the benefit of the tax cut that is in the budget.
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I want to make one point though on CGT
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because it was raised and I think Sarah there is a point here
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that isn't really well understood at the moment and that's
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that the government isn't taking away the CGT discount and replacing it with nothing.
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We're taking away the the CGT discount and replacing it with a different kind of discount.
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A kind of discount that is based on inflation and
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that discount will in some ways be better and fairer than the previous type of discount.
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How's that?
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I mean how can it possibly be better for small businesses when they actually have to pay more tax?
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Well it will depend on the nature of the business.
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Yeah but so what is it capped at?
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Is it a two million dollar revenue which is obviously not inclusive of profit?
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Well Well there are some CGT exemptions for small business
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which is absolutely right but I'm talking about the main element of the CGT tax.
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There will be people who end up paying less CGT tax under the new regime than they did under the last regime.
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Well it will depend because on the last regime there were assets that were really harshly treated by that regime.
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Assets that got a really punitive level of tax.
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But can you give me an example?
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Sure.
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I'll give you an example.
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My electorate is Parramatta.
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In Parramatta there are a lot of apartments around where I live
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and those apartments have had pretty low capital growth over the last five years.
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So if you bought an apartment in Parramatta over the last five years and you sold it now,
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you'd be lucky to sell it for a 10% capital gain.
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Now under the old regime,
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Sarah, you would have paid tax on that 10% capital gain.
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However over the last five years there has been inflation of more than 10%
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and what the new regime does is it gives you credit for that inflation.
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So under the new regime,
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people in those apartments in Parramatta...
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So you're talking about apartments and housing and investment there,
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we're not talking about small businesses and start-ups.
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It's also relevant to small business.
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But I'm asking you about small business.
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Let me finish the example because it's also relevant to a small business.
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Because these people will pay less tax because there's been more inflation than there has been in capital gain.
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What percentage of the market or the sector does that make up?
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Who are the people who are paying less?
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How many of them are there?
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Everybody will pay less if they had a lower capital gain over the period
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that they owned the asset than twice the rate of inflation.
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So is this outcry unwarranted then?
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No, I think there are real concerns and start-ups
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and some small businesses are a real concern
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because what I just explained is that we've got this new type of capital gains discount which is based on inflation.
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And the point that many start-up founders,
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the point that many small businesses have been making is valid.
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It's a valid point because that new regime doesn't interact well
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if you have a really low capital base because you've got nothing to inflate off.
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So there are real concerns out there.
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The government recognised those concerns,
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the Treasurer recognised them before the budget,
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there was a statement in the budget recognising them and we are consulting on them.
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So we definitely hear those concerns.
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But it doesn't sound like you are listening because there is a lot of confusion out there.
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That's probably the government's fault for not making this crystal clear.
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It sounds as though it's a bit undercooked
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and it sounds as though you haven't thought through the impact it's going to have
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because the fact that you're even flagging potential changes now suggests
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that this has been ill thought through and that the policy may not have even been completed.
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Well, I don't think that's true.
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In the budget it was clearly stated that we recognise that there were special circumstances of start-ups,
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businesses that start with a really low capital base don't benefit so much from that new indexation regime.
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We recognise that problem, we've been consulting with business and talking to them about it.
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Alright, the death tax, the changes to that,
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to those discretionary family trusts,
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is that Is that just a polite way of saying you've conceded
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that this is a massive political miscalculation if you are going to make changes?
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No. Are you even going to contemplate that?
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Look, I don't think there's anybody who needs to be paying more tax on an inheritance after these changes than before.
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And there are two reasons for that.
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First of all, any existing arrangements are grandfathered and unaffected.
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Secondly, anybody going forward who wants to create a testamentary trust,
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there are a range of options for them to choose which will not be affected by these taxes.
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You can see there will be higher taxes though.
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I don't think anybody needs to be paying higher taxes on an inheritance as a result of these changes.
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That's very clear to me.
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Alright, it doesn't seem that clear.
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Maybe there needs to be some messaging issues resolved there.
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Andrew, thanks for coming in.
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Appreciate it.
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Do you know the whole CGT thing?
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It reminds me of this.
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A birthday cake from a cake shop and GST is in place.
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Do I pay more or less for that birthday cake?
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Well, it will depend whether cakes today in that shop are subject to sales tax or they're not.
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Clear as mud.
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Let's move on.
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Thank you.
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