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The Joe Rogan Experience

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The Joe Rogan Experience

Television at least the television I grew up with was all

about like the familiarity of returning to the characters you love Yeah,

but there was plenty of characters Yeah

And you did get to return to the ones

that stuck around didn't get their heads locked I just wish they killed other characters No,

no, no, no, no, no,

no, I love that Let me give you another example of my

Everyone talks about how great television is now and it's pretty good.

I gotta say

it's pretty good but it's still television to me

and what's the difference between what's the difference between television

and a good movie

because a lot of the TV now it has the patina

of a movie mm-hmm all right it they're using cinematic language all right to get you caught up in it and I

know and obviously I'm talking about good shows for time it shows

that your Ozark shows that you're compelled to watch right all right um and So okay, so okay.

I'll use an example of a show.

I'll use a

Yellowstone I didn't really get around to watching Yellowstone the first three years

or so and then then I watched like the first season Like wow,

this is fucking great.

I'm always been a big Kevin Costner fan He's not going wonderful in this all right

And I got really caught up in the show and everything

and all of a sudden I'm having a good time and you know I've got a couple seasons.

I haven't seen so I'm watching it and and

and in the first season I'm kind of talking about this

is like a movie this is like a big movie it's like a big movie

and the guy the guy who writes says it's a good writer there's good like punchy monologues

and stuff so then I end up watching like three seasons of it

and then I even watched

that by 1883 was oh this is a good Western show I like Western

but then after I've watched like two or three seasons

or one season of 1883 look why I'm watching it I am compelled I'm caught up in it

but at the end of the day it's all just a

soap opera they've introduced you to a bunch of characters you

actually kind of know all their backstories you know everybody's connection with everybody else

and you know they spend some time selling that out

and then everything else then everything is just the compellingness of the soap opera What's happening to this character?

What's different between that and a film?

Well, I'll tell you I'll tell you because the thing is if

You watch if you watch Edge of Night

Monday through Friday you get caught up in the dramas of the family

and everything right

But you don't remember it five years from now you're caught up into the minutia of it at the moment All right,

so the difference between is is I'll see a good Western movie

and I'll remember it for the rest of my life I'll remember the story.

I'll remember this scene or that scene and it built it built to an emotional climax of some degree

And you know one the story is good.

It's not just about the interpersonal relationships The story is good itself,

but but but there's a payoff to it,

but there's not a payoff on this stuff It's just more inter-interconnectional drama and while I'm watching it,

that's good enough.

But when it's over, I couldn't tell you,

I can remember who the bad guy was in the first season of Yellowstone because it was Danny Houston.

I remember him in it,

but I don't remember any of the

The details of it and I don't remember any of the bad guys for season two or season three.

It's out of my head.

It's just completely out of it.

And same thing with 1883,

when I watched the whole thing and that was like a That seemed like a movie except I don't remember

Sam Elliott's about the only thing I really remember it of it when it was finished,

but now a Red River I remember for the rest of my life isn't

that though because it's a different thing Right because

when you go to a film film is is designed for

one sitting you sit down in the theater You're gonna get the entire encapsulation what happens to these characters

and okay I'll give you an example of one

that is more than a soap opera and you'll and and here's the difference Here's the difference.

Okay, yeah, you could say that Look they're in the soap opera business,

but I'll tell you one that's not okay if you watch that first season of

Here's one that really works like a movie if you watch the first season of Homeland.

Oh, yeah That first season of Homeland.

First season is incredible.

Okay.

Yeah, very good when it gets to that final

episode of the first season and he's got the suicide vest on and he's in the room

He can kill the guys that he's been waiting for to do it for the whole movie.

And you don't want him to die,

but you're kind of into him and you kind of want him to pull it off.

And then his daughter calls him on the phone before he does it.

She doesn't know what he's gonna do,

but she gets that little sense from him that something's weird.

Daddy, you need to tell me that you're gonna come home right now.

You need to tell me right now that I will see you later tonight.

And the entire series has been built to this scene.

And it's one of the most emotional scenes I've ever seen in a movie,

in a TV show, I've ever seen Dramatized.

The first season was great.

I've ever seen Dramatized.

Now that was a movie.

That was not a soap opera.

That built to this moment of him being in that fucking room with the suicide vest on.

And there was complexity.

She doesn't know what she's asking.

But we do.

Right.

She's stopping this major thing and she'll never know that.

But we do.

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Right, right, right.

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And he's still committed.

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That's...

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But he's more committed to her.

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And we know that.

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Mmm.

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That's just great shit.

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That's a movie.

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Right.

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And you can't...

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Can you do that every week?

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No, I didn't say you can do it every week, but I'm saying...

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I mean, you know what I'm saying...

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When the season's over, I need to walk away with more than just the soap opera.

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An impactful moment exactly.

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I don't expect you to do that every week,

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but at the end of the arc

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If you're telling a continuing story right at the end of that fucking season you need to bam drop the mic Yeah,

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you need to tell me a fucking story not just dot dot dot dot dot Seriously and look while I'm watching it.

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I'm not asking for that

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But the fact that it all just goes away years right once it's over and it's just stand on the beach Right.

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It's a different thing though, right?

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I mean, this is what the weirdness- Well,

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well, well, here's where it's not a different thing.

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Okay, here's where it's not a different thing.

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Part of the thing that makes it different is the fact that everyone's watching these continuing stories.

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Continuing stories, continuing stories.

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Okay, if it were Bonanza,

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where it's just a set-up story,

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Charles Bronson shows up, he's a half-breed Indian

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and he's working at the Ponderosa for a while

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And he gets involved in an adventure and then at the end it's it's it's done

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Well on that show you you have the the episodes are maybe not so good or the episodes are there are

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Whatever they're treading water on continual story thing

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But then you'll have this great episode with Charles Bronson or do they have a great episode which with James Well,

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they're almost standalones.

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That could have been a movie.

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Yeah.

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They could have expanded that to a movie.

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Right.

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They're standalones instead of just a long, ongoing story.

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Well, the difference is that that's episodic.

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It's a long, ongoing story that leads to the soap opera aspect.

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Well, it's episodic, and television now has become completely serialized.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so, you know, somebody's going in and they're pitching their show,

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even a really, really good show like Deadwood.

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Okay, Deadwood, I know what they probably went in they pitched

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and what they knew that they were gonna make was the was it Wild Bill?

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The Wild Bill story and they've got Carradine and like and they know that story and that show is

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Fantastic as long as they're telling that story which is like six to eight episodes Once he's gone.

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I don't think they had a plan

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They that was what they pitched

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and it was like they pitched a movie spread out over a number of episodes

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But it wasn't even the full season yeah,

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but by that point in time they have now they have all the cat town character Well,

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they've got everybody but but I would maintain

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that for the rest of Deadwood after Carradine's gone It's just things are happening stuff is happening

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But I don't remember anything about that show other than the town

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and you know the the various actors that I liked

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and on the show and

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But really all they had was those first six to eight episodes I can't remember what exactly what it was

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and the thing that and the thing about it is I'm not,

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I don't say all this and the sum up of it all is it's useless.

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It is very compelling while I'm watching it.

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But it just doesn't compare to a movie real story that stays with me for the rest of my life.

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