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You, like I mentioned with SpaceX,

you give a lot of people hope.

And a lot of people look up to you.

Millions of people look up to you.

If we think about young people in high school,

maybe in college, what advice would you give to them about

if they want to try to do something big in this world,

they want to really have a big positive impact,

what advice would you give them about their career,

maybe about life in general?

try to be useful um you do things

that are useful to your fellow human beings to the world it's very hard to be useful um

very hard um you know are you contributing more than you consume you know like uh like can you

try to have a positive net contribution to society.

I think that's the thing to aim for.

Not to try to be a leader for the sake of being a leader or whatever.

A lot of the time,

the people you want as leaders are the people who don't want to be leaders.

so if you can live a useful life that is a good life a life worth having lived

you know like I said I would encourage people to

use the mental tools of physics and apply them broadly in life

they are the best tools when you think about education and self education what do you recommend?

So there's the university, there's self-study,

there is hands-on sort of finding a company or a place

or a set of people that do the thing you're passionate about and joining them as early as possible.

There's taking a road trip across Europe for a few years and writing some poetry,

which trajectory do you suggest in terms of learning about how you can become useful,

as you mentioned, how you can have the most positive impact?

i encourage people to read a lot of books just read

like basically try to ingest as much information as you can uh

and try to also just develop a good general knowledge um

so so you at least have like a rough lay of the land of the the knowledge landscape

like try to learn a little bit about a lot of things because you might not know what you're really interested in.

How would you know what you're really interested in

if you at least aren't like doing a peripheral exploration or broadly of the knowledge landscape?

And talk to people from different walks of life and different industries and professions and skills and occupations.

Just try to learn as much as possible.

Man, search for meaning.

Isn't the whole thing a search for meaning?

Yeah, what's the meaning of life and all.

But just generally, like I said,

I would encourage people to read broadly in many different subject areas.

And then try to find something where there's an overlap of your talents and what you're interested in.

So people may be good at something,

or they may have skill at a particular thing,

but they don't like doing it.

So you want to try to find a thing where that's a good combination of the things that you're inherently good at,

but you also like doing.

And reading is a super fast shortcut to figure out where are you.

You're both good at it,

you like doing it, and it will actually have positive impact.

Well, you gotta learn about things somehow.

So reading a broad range, just really read it.

One point when I was a kid,

I read through the encyclopedia.

So that was pretty helpful.

And there are also things I didn't even know existed, a lot, obviously.

It's like as broad as it gets.

Encyclopedias were digestible, I think,

you know, whatever, 40 years ago.

So, you know, maybe read through the condensed version of the Encyclopedia Britannica.

I'd recommend that.

You can always, like, skip subjects where you read a few paragraphs and you know you're not interested,

just jump to the next one.

So, read the encyclopedia or skim through it.

and um but i you know put a lot of stock and certainly have a lot of respect for

someone who puts in an honest day's work uh to do useful things

and and just generally to have like not a zero-sum mindset um

or like have have more of a grow the pie mindset like the

if you sort of say like when we see people like perhaps including some very smart people

kind of taking an attitude of like doing things

that seem like morally questionable it's often

because they have at a base sort of axiomatic level a zero-sum mindset

and they without realizing it they don't realize they have a zero-sum mindset or at least that they don't realize it consciously.

And so if you have a zero sum mindset,

then the only way to get ahead is by taking things from others.

If it's like, if the pie is fixed,

then the only way to have more pie is to take someone else's pie.

But this is false.

Like obviously the pie has grown dramatically over time, the economic pie.

So in reality, you can have,

I don't know, I'm sorry, overuse this analogy.

We have a lot of,

there's a lot of pie.

Yeah.

Pie is not fixed.

Yes.

So you really want to make sure you're not operating

without realizing it from a zero sum mindset where the only

way to get ahead is to take things from others then

that's going to result in you trying to take things from others,

which is not good.

It's much better to work on adding to the economic pie.

So, like I said, creating more than you consume,

doing more than you, yeah.

So that's a big deal.

I think there's a fair number of people in finance that do have a bit of a zero-sum mindset.

I mean, it's all walks of life.

I've seen that.

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One of the reasons Rogan inspires me is he celebrates others a lot.

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There's not creating a constant competition.

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Like, there's a scarcity of resources.

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What happens when you celebrate others and you promote others,

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the ideas of others, it actually grows that pie.

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I mean, like, the resources become less scarce.

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And that applies in a lot of kinds of domains.

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It applies in academia where a lot of people are very,

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see some funding for academic research is zero sum.

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It is not.

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If you celebrate each other,

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if you make, if you get everybody to be excited about AI,

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about physics, about mathematics, I think there'd be more and more funding and I think everybody wins.

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Yeah, that applies I think broadly.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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