Shadowing Practice: Scammer or Victim? You decide... - Learn English Speaking with Video

This is a PC of a woman in the UK who's working with scammers in India.

They've turned on her webcam to coach her how best to scam people who are usually pensioners.

And here she's talking to a victim.

Oh, OK, right.

So the final conversations at the minute then, before you just got to me, was that you spoke to a mum from Amazon

Yep who got through to eventually He told you there'd been some suspicious activities on your Amazon account.

You're going to see how a fake Amazon call turns into a scam which rids the victim of their entire life savings.

And all this from a friendly sounding local woman.

And he contacted Kevin Matthews.

who then contacted you And now you're speaking with me, Lynn Owens.

Yes, that's exactly as it happened.

She says her name is Lynn Owens because she's pretending to be one of the UK's most senior police officers.

But of course, she's just pretending in order to steal money.

The real Lynn Owens heads up the National Crime Agency.

It's a bit like the UK's FBI.

Now, the best thing you can do at the moment, as I did say, unfortunately, you did the wrong thing, but we're here to help, okay?

Thank you.

All right, so don't panic.

That's the important thing.

But you can see where I'm coming out of this, I'm going to contact my bank if I find something to put it on.

Yes, exactly.

Yes, there is.

Without a doubt.

To me, I did the right thing.

You did.

Bye.

You did the right thing by calling Kevin, calling us, NCA, well, for Amazon calling us, that was the right thing to do.

If she seems a bit flustered by all of this, it's because she's learning how to scam and she isn't quite good enough at it just yet.

But the other people in India are coaching her through what she has to do

and they type notes onto her PC and will also send her text messages.

They even sent her the mobile phone she's using.

However, with the RBS being involved, that's wrong.

because we don't know that there may be somebody, well there is, somebody within RBS communicating with these cyber criminals.

The scammers have already established that the victim, whose name is Karen, banks with RBS or Royal Bank of Scotland,

and are using this fact to pretend that they're in liaison with her bank.

Right.

Thank you.

Now what you must not do, and you must promise me this, This has to be a secret.

You cannot tell your family, your friend, Anybody.

because even though you may say innocently something they may then pass innocent information to somebody else.

This is all part of the victim grooming process.

They don't want her to say anything to anyone just in case she's alerted to the fact that this is a scam.

They especially don't want her to talk to anyone in the bank because they're trained to recognise the hallmarks of a scam.

Okay, this is happening at all levels.

Okay.

They're not picking on you personally, they're picking on everybody.

No, no. Okay.

But we need to get We need to catch the thief.

Okay?

Right.

Okay. So...

Right, we've done that.

So what we need is your help today.

in order to get more information, more Proof.

that there is fraudulent activities against you.

We know there are.

But we need...

precise proof that this is going on so we can actually arrest

the parties involved in the actions

and it's this narrative where they're requiring the victim to help catch a thief in the bank

which is the crux of this scam

She has to sound confident

and authoritative in order to get the victim to transfer money to an account owned by the scammers.

Thank you.

Have a think at the moment now,

but when you're ready, what I need you to do will be to make a transfer from your own account, Mm -hmm.

Okay.

A bogus one, a bogus transfer.

which will be authorised from somebody within RBS Thank you at a low level,

we'll call it the The local bank level, the local branch level, even if it's online, it doesn't matter.

It's a local branch level.

While on the phone, Fake Lin would receive bank account details of Money Mules,

the people whose bank accounts would be used by the scammers in India to receive funds from the victims.

So the details of that employee are then known at the higher levels, who they are that is authorised.

your transaction This is not a real transaction.

This is Toy Town Transaction.

Okay.

Does that make sense?

This is dummy.

Yes, I'm just listening to her.

So you're Noddy going into Toy Town Bank. to do a transaction.

Okay, you do that and...

Big Ears is waiting outside to drive away.

Thank you.

Mm -hmm.

Okay.

Well, what I've seen on different things on the TV and read different things about it, what you're suggesting that I do, that's what they do.

You know, that's what you're suggesting that I do is to make a transaction and then that's like you, supposedly, into my bank details, you know.

Not to do.

This is what I'm asking you to do.

This is exactly why banks tell people never to transfer money to so -called safe accounts.

More than likely, it's exactly this sort of scam.

The fake Lin Owens now has to reassure the victim.

Right, Meadlin Owens, NCA.

Director General.

This is what I'm asking you, well, I'm telling you to do this in order that we have

foolproof and information on the guilty people who are using your identities.

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Okay, we know of the three dummy transactions Well, you see, what I've just said to you is,

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earlier, that I've went back onto my bank and there has been nothing criminal taken out of my bank account.

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You know, for all those people supposedly making transactions on my bank account, there is nothing out of my bank account.

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What's out of it, I've taken out myself.

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Because the victim's already gone to her bank and checked that there are no suspicious transactions, this fake Lynn Owens now has to assure the victim that she's genuine.

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Listen to how she does this.

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If you're suspicious about me personally, Karen, While you're on the line now, Uh -huh.

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You can Google me.

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What I'm holding, you can Google me.

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my name Okay.

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Lynn Owens. And then you'll understand...

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Did I am who I am?

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Okay, and your actual, the people within your RBS have actually done the same thing?

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So if you read the Google and you will see and you will, I hope, Understand?

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What?

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NCA, National Crime Agency.

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Obviously, with any phone call, it pays to be sceptical.

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Anyone can pretend to be anything.

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And have a read all about me.

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Uh -huh then you'll know who I am and who I stand for.

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Okay?

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Okay then, Lynn.

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No, no, no. I'm sorry to put you through this, you know, but you've just got to be sure everything is above board. Of course.

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Ma 'am, this is what we're here for.

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You know, you don't know who you're speaking to at the end of a phone

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and you don't know what's going on and you read much about it and it's on the news, it's on everywhere, you know, Martin Lewis, everything, watch your watch and,

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you know, so, you know, you've got to.

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I understand, yes, I do.

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I entirely understand your suspicion.

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You or where?

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Of course, yes.

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So NTA stands for National Crime Agency.

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At this point the victim explained to fake Lynne that she had to go but she would follow up the next day.

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Okay?

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You too, I will do.

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Thank you.

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Okay, but you really won't disclose this to anybody.

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Oh, and I'll speak to you tomorrow.

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You take care of yourself.

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And you say after lunch, yes?

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You do, though.

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yeah after lunch yeah after lunch after one o 'clock would

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be fine one okay all right okay you take care now

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that's lovely all right okay bye for now all the best bye bye bye

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Fake Lin then picks up her phone so that she can speak to the scammers who've been listening to the entire conversation.

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I'll also forward wind through some personal details about the victim and will continue the conversation that she has with the scammer.

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I've impressed on her and she understands that she cannot disclose any of this to anybody.

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and then we can go on to the next stage.

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okay okay yeah if you're wondering how i can see the webcam

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and hear the audio it's because the scammers have control of this woman's pc and i can see the scammers computer

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but I've got written down now exactly what happened

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and so i'll write that down actually And I told her that the worst thing she did actually, in the nicest sense, she did the wrong thing with the bank involvement.

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Banks term this sort of scam as an authorised push payment and is one of the most devastating on its victims.

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She's not going to talk to them.

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I've told her, no, she said she's talked to Mr. Matthews, obviously Kevin, and she said, I'm talking with you now.

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He said to talk to Lynn Owens, that's it.

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So that's what she's doing.

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But while she's congratulating herself on having convinced that victim, it gives me a chance to call that victim instead.

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In the meantime, fake Lynne thinks she has this one in the bag.

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Thank you.

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Yes, I won't forget, I promise.

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All right then.

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Okay.

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Well let's see how we get on with this.

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She's the most concerns, one, that I have to say I've been talking with so far.

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And she had been trying the same scam numerous times over

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the course of a week until I managed to get the police involved.

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Keep everything crossed.

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Now you be careful driving, please.

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I'm always telling Kevin to be careful driving, please.

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As you can hear, she's built up quite a rapport with the scammers.

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So much so that when the police investigated her, they concluded that she was a victim herself and was naive and vulnerable.

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You may have your own opinion on the role of this woman in these scams and feel free to comment below.

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But the police have a wider view of what's going on more than you see here.

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So I have to leave it that this woman is a victim herself and therefore I have to keep her details blurred.

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But the reason that I upload these videos is so that people can recognise scams.

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Having a local accent in no way guarantees that it isn't a scam, as you can see here.

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However, it was immensely satisfying to call her victims

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and then listen to the follow -up calls that she made to those people.

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Hello Kenneth, Fiona here, Fiona Mira and see you.

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No, it's not.

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- Tüss, sir.

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What do you want?

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I was speaking with you earlier.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Did you guys call me back when you've been to the branch?

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Bent in the place instead, you say?

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You went to the police?

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OK.

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Yeah, I think you are the scammers.

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We're NCCU, so...

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I think you're the scammer.

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Got you marked.

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- It's you, sir.

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- No, you're me.

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- Who is your contact in the police?

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- You're me right now, I'm telling you.

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- You don't speak to somebody like that.

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- You're not somebody, you're a scammer.

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- You're not a scammer.

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- You are.

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So are you not continuing with this case?

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I am, I am, of course I'm not.

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And then CCU will have no option other than close this case on you.

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There's no case because you're a scammer.

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That's it.

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You are.

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British Telecom.

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British Telecom.

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He's been trying to rip me off.

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So I go to the bank, transfer that over, and I've lost that amount of money.

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What have you got to say for yourself?

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You tell me the reason for your wish to close.

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What have you got to say for yourself?

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I pity you, sir, is what I have to say to you, because you're continuing.

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You're trying to rip me off, won't you?

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I do not appreciate being sworn to.

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Listen, you are trying to rip me off.

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You close this case.

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You are assisting cybercriminal activities.

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so also you are implicating yourself in such a crime.

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Yes, you are.

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No, I'm not.

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You now know about the scam being done on you personally.

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by people you are the scammers i i believe that you're the scammers have your personal details

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and are using them you you guys are the scummers

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each of them phone calls swear at me again also you

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will be reported by me well you report me then because you know you get reported between nccu

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The conversations are all recorded.

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NCCU.

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Yes.

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I think you're a fraud on that part as well.

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Google it now, right now.

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Oh yeah, it's probably legit, it's probably their thing, but you're not a part of it.

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You're acting as a scammer through them.

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How do you sleep at night? yeah how will you sleep tonight knowing that you are involved in this cyber crime.

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You are wishing for this pace to be closed, correct?

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That's your Indian comrades working in Junction with you, probably.

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I don't know.

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You do not have a gender bias.

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You do not have a race bias.

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Listen.

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That's all right.

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Let's continue.

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Race does not matter, sir.

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but playing the race card wasn't going to work the scammers genuinely were controlling her from india

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so who were the people doing all of the controlling Watching FakeLins PC, it was clear that they had a lot of money at their disposal,

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undoubtedly scanned from other victims.

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Here they are moving over £30 ,000 into Bitcoin.

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And they were located where the vast majority of robocalls originate, in Salt Lake Sector 5 in the city of Kolkata in India.

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I can't yet reveal the identity of the groups involved in India because it's still an ongoing investigation,

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but I hope that I've provided enough information that action can be taken there.

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If you're a patron of mine at the right level, you can see additional content which covers some more of this woman's scams.

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And if you would like to support me in my fight against scammers, there's various links in the description below about how you can support me.

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Thank you again for watching these videos and for your continued support on YouTube.

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Vocabulario y notas de pronunciación para esta lección

Esta lección de conversación de nivel B2 se basa en el vídeo “Scammer or Victim? You decide..”. Las palabras que más se repiten: bank, scammer, victim, scam. Este vídeo tiene 256 frases y 2485 palabras para practicar shadowing. La parte hablada dura 16:12. El hablante habla a un ritmo natural de unas 153 palabras por minuto, cercano a una conversación cotidiana. El 86 % de las palabras está entre las 3.000 más comunes del inglés; conviene repasar el resto antes de empezar.

Vocabulario clave de este vídeo

Las 15 palabras más avanzadas del vídeo, con su pronunciación y significado:

Palabra	Pronunciación	Significado
scam sustantivo	/ˈskæm/	estafa, timo
suspicious adjetivo	/səˈspɪʃ.əs/	sospechoso, suspecto
authorized adjetivo	/ˈɔθəɹaɪzd/	autorizado
bogus adjetivo	/ˈboʊ̯ɡəs/	trapicheado, barato
webcam sustantivo	/ˈwɛbˌkæm/	cámara web, webcam
dummy sustantivo	/ˈdʌmi/	tonto, estúpido
disclose verbo	/dɪsˈkləʊz/	descerrar
thief sustantivo	/ˈθiːf/	ladrón, caco
supposedly adverbio	/səˈpoʊ̯.zɪd.li/	supuestamente
bias sustantivo	/ˈbaɪ.əs/	sesgo, bías
authoritative adjetivo	/əˈθɔɹɪˌteɪtɪv/	autoritativo, oficial
devastate verbo	/ˈdɛv.ə.steɪt/	devastar
foolproof adjetivo	/ˈfuːl ˌpɹuːf/	seguro, a prueba de tontos
hallmark sustantivo	/ˈhɔlmɑɹk/	distintivo
innocently adverbio	/ˈɪnəsəntli/	inocentemente

Phrasal verbs que vas a escuchar

Palabra	Significado
follow up verbo	dar seguimiento, dar un seguimiento
drive away verbo	correr, ahuyentar
get on with verbo	hacer, realizar
pick up verbo	coger, asir
take out verbo	sacar
write down verbo	apuntar, anotar

Frases que vale la pena repetir

Frases cortas y completas del vídeo que puedes reutilizar en la conversación diaria:

Did I am who I am?
Did you guys call me back when you've been to the branch?
Bent in the place instead, you say?
You went to the police?
You're trying to rip me off, won't you?

Gramática en este vídeo

Las estructuras que más usa el hablante, con las palabras exactas del vídeo:

Estructura	En el vídeo
Present perfect continuous have/has been + -ing — una acción que empezó antes y continúa	who've been listening · I've been talking · He's been trying
Present perfect have/has + participio pasado — una acción pasada que sigue importando ahora	They've turned · have already established · we've done
Voz pasiva be + participio pasado — importa lo que ocurre, no quién lo hace	being involved · will be authorised · is authorised
Oraciones de relativo who / which + oración — información extra sobre una persona o cosa	people who are

Pronunciación a tener en cuenta

El hablante usa 84 contracciones y formas reducidas, como you're, I'm, I've. Dilas en su forma corta, tal como las oyes.

Los sonidos de “th”: authorized /ˈɔθəɹaɪzd/, thief /ˈθiːf/, authoritative /əˈθɔɹɪˌteɪtɪv/
Los sonidos de “sh” y “zh”: suspicious /səˈspɪʃ.əs/, pensioner /ˈpɛnʃənɚ/, reassure /ˌɹi.əˈʃʊɹ/, suspicion /səˈspɪʃ.ən/, assure /əˈʃʊɹ/
Palabras largas — cuida el acento: supposedly /səˈpoʊ̯.zɪd.li/, authoritative /əˈθɔɹɪˌteɪtɪv/, innocently /ˈɪnəsəntli/, originate /əˈɹɪd͡ʒɪneɪt/, congratulate /kənˈɡɹæd͡ʒ.ʊˌleɪt/

Sonidos difíciles para hispanohablantes:

s + consonante al inicio — sin añadir una “e” delante: scam /ˈskæm/, scan /skæn/
/v/ — no es /b/: los dientes tocan el labio inferior: authoritative /əˈθɔɹɪˌteɪtɪv/, devastate /ˈdɛv.ə.steɪt/, naive /naɪˈiv/
/z/ — sonora, no /s/: authorized /ˈɔθəɹaɪzd/, disclose /dɪsˈkləʊz/, supposedly /səˈpoʊ̯.zɪd.li/, liaison /liˈeɪˌzɒ̃/, disposal /dɪsˈpoʊ.zəl/

Cómo practicar con este vídeo

Escucha el vídeo entero una vez sin hablar y anota las palabras que no conoces.
Empieza a velocidad 0,75×, haz shadowing frase por frase y vuelve a la velocidad normal cuando te resulte fácil.
Grábate y compara con el original, prestando atención a palabras como scam, suspicious, authorized.

¿Qué es la Técnica de Shadowing?

Shadowing es una técnica de aprendizaje de idiomas respaldada por la ciencia, desarrollada originalmente para la formación de intérpretes profesionales y popularizada por el políglota Dr. Alexander Arguelles. El método es simple pero poderoso: escuchas audio en inglés nativo y lo repites en voz alta de inmediato, como una sombra que sigue al hablante con solo 1-2 segundos de retraso. A diferencia de la escucha pasiva o los ejercicios de gramática, el shadowing obliga a tu cerebro y músculos de la boca a procesar y reproducir simultáneamente patrones de habla reales. Las investigaciones muestran que mejora significativamente la precisión de la pronunciación, la entonación, el ritmo, el habla conectada, la comprensión auditiva y la fluidez al hablar, convirtiéndola en una de las metodologías más efectivas para la preparación del IELTS Speaking y la comunicación en inglés en el mundo real.

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Vocabulario y notas de pronunciación para esta lección

Vocabulario clave de este vídeo

Phrasal verbs que vas a escuchar

Frases que vale la pena repetir

Gramática en este vídeo

Pronunciación a tener en cuenta

Cómo practicar con este vídeo

¿Qué es la Técnica de Shadowing?