Shadowing Practice: Scammer or Victim? You decide... - Learn English Speaking with Video
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This is a PC of a woman in the UK who's working with scammers in India.
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They've turned on her webcam to coach her how best to scam people who are usually pensioners.
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And here she's talking to a victim.
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Oh, OK, right.
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So the final conversations at the minute then, before you just got to me, was that you spoke to a mum from Amazon
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Yep who got through to eventually He told you there'd been some suspicious activities on your Amazon account.
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You're going to see how a fake Amazon call turns into a scam which rids the victim of their entire life savings.
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And all this from a friendly sounding local woman.
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And he contacted Kevin Matthews.
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who then contacted you And now you're speaking with me, Lynn Owens.
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Yes, that's exactly as it happened.
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She says her name is Lynn Owens because she's pretending to be one of the UK's most senior police officers.
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But of course, she's just pretending in order to steal money.
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The real Lynn Owens heads up the National Crime Agency.
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It's a bit like the UK's FBI.
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Now, the best thing you can do at the moment, as I did say, unfortunately, you did the wrong thing, but we're here to help, okay?
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Thank you.
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All right, so don't panic.
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That's the important thing.
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But you can see where I'm coming out of this, I'm going to contact my bank if I find something to put it on.
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Yes, exactly.
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Yes, there is.
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Without a doubt.
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To me, I did the right thing.
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You did.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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You did the right thing by calling Kevin, calling us, NCA, well, for Amazon calling us, that was the right thing to do.
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If she seems a bit flustered by all of this, it's because she's learning how to scam and she isn't quite good enough at it just yet.
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But the other people in India are coaching her through what she has to do
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and they type notes onto her PC and will also send her text messages.
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They even sent her the mobile phone she's using.
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However, with the RBS being involved, that's wrong.
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because we don't know that there may be somebody, well there is, somebody within RBS communicating with these cyber criminals.
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The scammers have already established that the victim, whose name is Karen, banks with RBS or Royal Bank of Scotland,
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and are using this fact to pretend that they're in liaison with her bank.
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Right.
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Thank you.
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Now what you must not do, and you must promise me this, This has to be a secret.
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You cannot tell your family, your friend, Anybody.
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because even though you may say innocently something they may then pass innocent information to somebody else.
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This is all part of the victim grooming process.
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They don't want her to say anything to anyone just in case she's alerted to the fact that this is a scam.
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They especially don't want her to talk to anyone in the bank because they're trained to recognise the hallmarks of a scam.
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Okay, this is happening at all levels.
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Okay.
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They're not picking on you personally, they're picking on everybody.
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No, no. Okay.
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No, no. Okay.
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But we need to get We need to catch the thief.
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Okay?
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Right.
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Okay. So...
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Right, we've done that.
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So what we need is your help today.
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in order to get more information, more Proof.
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that there is fraudulent activities against you.
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We know there are.
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But we need...
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precise proof that this is going on so we can actually arrest
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the parties involved in the actions
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and it's this narrative where they're requiring the victim to help catch a thief in the bank
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which is the crux of this scam
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She has to sound confident
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and authoritative in order to get the victim to transfer money to an account owned by the scammers.
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Thank you.
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Have a think at the moment now,
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but when you're ready, what I need you to do will be to make a transfer from your own account, Mm -hmm.
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Okay.
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A bogus one, a bogus transfer.
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which will be authorised from somebody within RBS Thank you at a low level,
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we'll call it the The local bank level, the local branch level, even if it's online, it doesn't matter.
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It's a local branch level.
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While on the phone, Fake Lin would receive bank account details of Money Mules,
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the people whose bank accounts would be used by the scammers in India to receive funds from the victims.
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So the details of that employee are then known at the higher levels, who they are that is authorised.
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your transaction This is not a real transaction.
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This is Toy Town Transaction.
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Okay.
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Does that make sense?
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This is dummy.
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Yes, I'm just listening to her.
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So you're Noddy going into Toy Town Bank. to do a transaction.
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Okay, you do that and...
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Big Ears is waiting outside to drive away.
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Thank you.
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Mm -hmm.
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Okay.
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Well, what I've seen on different things on the TV and read different things about it, what you're suggesting that I do, that's what they do.
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You know, that's what you're suggesting that I do is to make a transaction and then that's like you, supposedly, into my bank details, you know.
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Not to do.
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This is what I'm asking you to do.
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This is exactly why banks tell people never to transfer money to so -called safe accounts.
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More than likely, it's exactly this sort of scam.
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The fake Lin Owens now has to reassure the victim.
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Right, Meadlin Owens, NCA.
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Director General.
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This is what I'm asking you, well, I'm telling you to do this in order that we have
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foolproof and information on the guilty people who are using your identities.
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Okay, we know of the three dummy transactions Well, you see, what I've just said to you is,
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earlier, that I've went back onto my bank and there has been nothing criminal taken out of my bank account.
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You know, for all those people supposedly making transactions on my bank account, there is nothing out of my bank account.
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What's out of it, I've taken out myself.
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Because the victim's already gone to her bank and checked that there are no suspicious transactions, this fake Lynn Owens now has to assure the victim that she's genuine.
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Listen to how she does this.
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If you're suspicious about me personally, Karen, While you're on the line now, Uh -huh.
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You can Google me.
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What I'm holding, you can Google me.
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my name Okay.
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Lynn Owens. And then you'll understand...
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Did I am who I am?
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Okay, and your actual, the people within your RBS have actually done the same thing?
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So if you read the Google and you will see and you will, I hope, Understand?
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What?
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NCA, National Crime Agency.
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Obviously, with any phone call, it pays to be sceptical.
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Anyone can pretend to be anything.
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And have a read all about me.
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Uh -huh then you'll know who I am and who I stand for.
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Okay?
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Okay then, Lynn.
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No, no, no. I'm sorry to put you through this, you know, but you've just got to be sure everything is above board. Of course.
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Ma 'am, this is what we're here for.
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You know, you don't know who you're speaking to at the end of a phone
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and you don't know what's going on and you read much about it and it's on the news, it's on everywhere, you know, Martin Lewis, everything, watch your watch and,
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you know, so, you know, you've got to.
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I understand, yes, I do.
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I entirely understand your suspicion.
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You or where?
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Of course, yes.
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So NTA stands for National Crime Agency.
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At this point the victim explained to fake Lynne that she had to go but she would follow up the next day.
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Okay?
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You too, I will do.
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Thank you.
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Okay, but you really won't disclose this to anybody.
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Oh, and I'll speak to you tomorrow.
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You take care of yourself.
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And you say after lunch, yes?
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You do, though.
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yeah after lunch yeah after lunch after one o 'clock would
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be fine one okay all right okay you take care now
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that's lovely all right okay bye for now all the best bye bye bye
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Fake Lin then picks up her phone so that she can speak to the scammers who've been listening to the entire conversation.
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I'll also forward wind through some personal details about the victim and will continue the conversation that she has with the scammer.
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I've impressed on her and she understands that she cannot disclose any of this to anybody.
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and then we can go on to the next stage.
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okay okay yeah if you're wondering how i can see the webcam
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and hear the audio it's because the scammers have control of this woman's pc and i can see the scammers computer
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but I've got written down now exactly what happened
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and so i'll write that down actually And I told her that the worst thing she did actually, in the nicest sense, she did the wrong thing with the bank involvement.
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Banks term this sort of scam as an authorised push payment and is one of the most devastating on its victims.
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She's not going to talk to them.
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I've told her, no, she said she's talked to Mr. Matthews, obviously Kevin, and she said, I'm talking with you now.
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He said to talk to Lynn Owens, that's it.
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So that's what she's doing.
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But while she's congratulating herself on having convinced that victim, it gives me a chance to call that victim instead.
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In the meantime, fake Lynne thinks she has this one in the bag.
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Thank you.
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Yes, I won't forget, I promise.
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All right then.
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Okay.
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Well let's see how we get on with this.
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She's the most concerns, one, that I have to say I've been talking with so far.
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And she had been trying the same scam numerous times over
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the course of a week until I managed to get the police involved.
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Keep everything crossed.
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Now you be careful driving, please.
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I'm always telling Kevin to be careful driving, please.
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As you can hear, she's built up quite a rapport with the scammers.
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So much so that when the police investigated her, they concluded that she was a victim herself and was naive and vulnerable.
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You may have your own opinion on the role of this woman in these scams and feel free to comment below.
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But the police have a wider view of what's going on more than you see here.
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So I have to leave it that this woman is a victim herself and therefore I have to keep her details blurred.
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But the reason that I upload these videos is so that people can recognise scams.
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Having a local accent in no way guarantees that it isn't a scam, as you can see here.
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However, it was immensely satisfying to call her victims
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and then listen to the follow -up calls that she made to those people.
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Hello Kenneth, Fiona here, Fiona Mira and see you.
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No, it's not.
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- Tüss, sir.
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What do you want?
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I was speaking with you earlier.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Did you guys call me back when you've been to the branch?
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Bent in the place instead, you say?
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You went to the police?
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OK.
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Yeah, I think you are the scammers.
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We're NCCU, so...
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I think you're the scammer.
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Got you marked.
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- It's you, sir.
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- No, you're me.
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- Who is your contact in the police?
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- You're me right now, I'm telling you.
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- You don't speak to somebody like that.
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- You're not somebody, you're a scammer.
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- You're not a scammer.
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- You are.
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So are you not continuing with this case?
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I am, I am, of course I'm not.
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And then CCU will have no option other than close this case on you.
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There's no case because you're a scammer.
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That's it.
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You are.
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British Telecom.
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British Telecom.
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He's been trying to rip me off.
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So I go to the bank, transfer that over, and I've lost that amount of money.
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What have you got to say for yourself?
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You tell me the reason for your wish to close.
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What have you got to say for yourself?
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I pity you, sir, is what I have to say to you, because you're continuing.
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You're trying to rip me off, won't you?
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I do not appreciate being sworn to.
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Listen, you are trying to rip me off.
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You close this case.
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You are assisting cybercriminal activities.
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so also you are implicating yourself in such a crime.
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Yes, you are.
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No, I'm not.
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You now know about the scam being done on you personally.
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by people you are the scammers i i believe that you're the scammers have your personal details
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and are using them you you guys are the scummers
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each of them phone calls swear at me again also you
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will be reported by me well you report me then because you know you get reported between nccu
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The conversations are all recorded.
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NCCU.
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Yes.
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I think you're a fraud on that part as well.
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Google it now, right now.
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Oh yeah, it's probably legit, it's probably their thing, but you're not a part of it.
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You're acting as a scammer through them.
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How do you sleep at night? yeah how will you sleep tonight knowing that you are involved in this cyber crime.
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You are wishing for this pace to be closed, correct?
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That's your Indian comrades working in Junction with you, probably.
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I don't know.
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You do not have a gender bias.
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You do not have a race bias.
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Listen.
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That's all right.
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Let's continue.
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Race does not matter, sir.
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but playing the race card wasn't going to work the scammers genuinely were controlling her from india
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so who were the people doing all of the controlling Watching FakeLins PC, it was clear that they had a lot of money at their disposal,
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undoubtedly scanned from other victims.
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Here they are moving over £30 ,000 into Bitcoin.
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And they were located where the vast majority of robocalls originate, in Salt Lake Sector 5 in the city of Kolkata in India.
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I can't yet reveal the identity of the groups involved in India because it's still an ongoing investigation,
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but I hope that I've provided enough information that action can be taken there.
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If you're a patron of mine at the right level, you can see additional content which covers some more of this woman's scams.
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And if you would like to support me in my fight against scammers, there's various links in the description below about how you can support me.
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Thank you again for watching these videos and for your continued support on YouTube.
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Context & Background
The transcript depicts a crucial interaction between a woman in the UK and a person posing as a victim of a scam. The scenario highlights the manipulation and tactics used by scammers, particularly focusing on how they exploit individuals—especially vulnerable seniors. The woman serves as both a participant and an educator, learning about the dynamics of scamming while communicating with her supposed victim. As she navigates through a high-pressure conversation, the underlying theme is the importance of recognizing deception and the responsibility to protect oneself and others from such threats.
Top 5 Phrases for Daily Communication
- "You did the right thing by calling us." – A reassurance that can encourage open communication.
- "Let’s contact your bank immediately." – A proactive approach that emphasizes the importance of seeking help.
- "What you must not do is tell anyone about this." – A reminder about the confidentiality often demanded by scammers.
- "Do not panic; we are here to help." – A calming phrase to ease anxiety in stressful situations.
- "This is all part of the victim grooming process." – An explanation which highlights how scammers operate and manipulate their targets.
Step-by-step Shadowing Guide
To effectively improve your English speaking skills utilizing the shadowing technique, follow this structured method with the video transcript provided:
- Choose a Short Segment: Start with a brief segment of the dialogue. For instance, pick a part where a clear exchange occurs, such as the reassuring phrases used by the woman.
- Listen Actively: Play the video and concentrate on the pronunciation, intonation, and rhythm of the speaker’s voice. This practice is crucial for mastering shadowspeak.
- Pause and Repeat: After listening, pause the video and try to repeat what you heard. Focus on mimicking the exact pronunciation and pacing to enhance your English speaking practice.
- Record Your Voice: Use a recording device to capture your voice while shadowing. Listening to this playback can help identify any areas needing improvement in terms of improving English pronunciation.
- Practice Regularly: Consistency is key. Dedicate a few minutes daily to practice shadowing this segment, gradually increasing the length as your confidence grows. This repetition helps solidify your language skills over time.
By implementing this shadowing technique, you not only enhance your verbal communication but also gain insights into conversational nuances and emotional expressions critical for effective English interactions.
Grammar in this video
The structures the speaker uses most, with the exact words from the video:
| Structure | In the video |
|---|---|
| Present perfect continuous have/has been + -ing — an action that started earlier and is still going on | has been nothing · who've been listening · I've been talking |
| Present perfect have/has + past participle — a past action that still matters now | They've turned · have already established · we've done |
| Passive voice be + past participle — the focus is on what happens, not who does it | being involved · will be authorised · is authorised |
| Relative clauses who / which + clause — extra information about a person or thing | people who are |
What is the Shadowing Technique?
Shadowing is a science-backed language learning technique originally developed for professional interpreter training and popularized by polyglot Dr. Alexander Arguelles. The method is simple but powerful: you listen to native English audio and immediately repeat it out loud — like a shadow following the speaker with just a 1–2 second delay. Unlike passive listening or grammar drills, shadowing forces your brain and mouth muscles to simultaneously process and reproduce real speech patterns. Research shows it significantly improves pronunciation accuracy, intonation, rhythm, connected speech, listening comprehension, and speaking fluency — making it one of the most effective methods for IELTS Speaking preparation and real-world English communication.