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It is always, always fun to bring a friend on the show.

And I'm so delighted to be bringing a friend on today, Miss Kendall Jenner.

You know her.

You love her.

She's Kendall Jenner.

For the one person out there that maybe doesn't know, I almost feel like I don't even know how to introduce her because of course you know her.

But just in case there's one person out there who doesn't have a phone, Um, Kendall Jenner is a model entrepreneur and media personality.

She's the founder of 818 tequila, which I've enjoyed on many nights out.

And actually 818 tequila has collaborated with my coffee brand, Chamberlain coffee.

And we made an espresso martini kit, which was a delightful experience, um, and a delightful drink.

And again, I've had many evenings, uh, with those 818 Tequila has already won over 32 international tasting awards,

including Best Reposado Tequila from the World Tequila Awards, Platinum Award from the Sip Awards, Chairman's Trophy from the Ultimate Spirits Challenge,

Triple Gold from the Micro Liquor Spirit Awards, Top 100 Spirits from the Ultimate Spirits Challenge, and Innovation Award from the Sip Awards.

So it's safe to say

you should you should try some 818

if you haven't kendall is also an incredible model she's walked

many many shows been on the cover of vogue internationally many times harper's bizarre allure the list goes on um

and it all started on the show that we all know and love Keeping Up With The Kardashians in E-Series, which is now on Hulu.

And we've fallen in love with Kendall over the years.

Kendall has been in the public eye since she was 10 years old, which is something that gives me the chills to think about.

I can't imagine what that experience was like for her.

And even though we're friends, I've not really discussed that with her very much.

So I'm excited to learn more about what that experience was like for her and how she manages,

you know, being one of the most well-known public figures in the world

and how she manages being a part of one of the most famous families in the world.

Because although I think there are very many beautiful things about that experience and things that add to her life and,

you know, make her life more fulfilling, I can imagine there are also a slew of challenges.

And I'm excited to discuss these things with Kendall.

She's a delightful person, a very sweet person, a very generous person.

And I just, I just absolutely adore her.

And I'm excited that she's on the show and I'm excited to, to chat with her.

We're going to chat it up, just girls chatting and let's bring her in.

Here's Kendall Jenner.

I think my first question is, do you like, do you like interviews?

I, I do in this setting, like I do now, especially when it feels like,

um, whether it's like meaningful things.

I mean, I think I like that in life in general, but something that's meaningful for sure.

And you're my friend.

And I feel like I love feeling really comfortable.

Yes.

And like safe.

I think that's really important for me because there's been experiences in my life that don't feel very safe.

So, or maybe I feel like I was naive or young or didn't have much of a say in certain things.

So I, I like

environments where I feel like like we just sat down

and we started vibing I don't want to feel nervous and anxious

and all those things like it's totally just too much it's

it's nice to have it be a hang where you also know

that you're in control of the way

that things are presented to the outside world like it's not like you're going into talking to me

and you're concerned that I'm gonna cut around some shit

and make you look a certain way that's bad yeah

which I think is something that

when it comes to press is like it's out of our control there's

so much lack of control of your own narrative and i think

that it's exactly i'm a control freak by nature too

and i think that you know you surrender to a lot being in like the industry

that we're in you surrender to so much false false narrative

or you know rumors or whatever false stories

or anything you surrender to a lot and the things

that people want to create for you

so i think yeah it's it's special to be able to have i guess the privilege

that we do which is being able to say like i'm i feel comfortable here

and i'm okay to do this and whatever so i hope

that answers your question no it completely does i'm so glad

that you're here yeah i know um something interesting about you is

that you are very public in a lot of ways

and you've been very public since you were really young

but i feel like a lot of people don't know like

certain little things about you such as like what time you wake up in the morning

and like what your favorite breakfast is i was thinking about this

when i was driving here today i was like i actually don't know like what

and even though i'm your friend like yeah yeah yeah i don't know these little innocent things about you

and so i'm going to start out by asking you a few little things

that i'm just genuinely curious about okay number one what time

do you wake up in the morning for the most part for the most part i'm like Like, I mean, today I was up at like 730.

I like early.

And like that was a little more on the early side, but I was just on the East Coast.

So I think that I'm a little bit jet lag, but I like getting up early.

If I don't have to, if I don't have work, I don't want to force myself.

But I also enjoy like getting a full day.

I'm like, I'm the type of person, like, I don't know if I've only had like a couple all-nighters in my life.

Wow.

Like what they give me anxiety.

Like, I like if the sun's coming up and I'm still awake, like I have full anxiety because I like I like to be productive during my day.

I totally get it.

Whatever.

So I actually enjoy getting up quite early.

I think on average, I'm getting up like 830.

OK.

And like, yeah, like around 830.

And I like to get up and either go to the gym

or go ride or something and like do something active when I get up.

I always forget that you ride horses.

Yeah.

It's a therapeutic, you know, activity in general.

But there's something so nostalgic.

Like, I don't know.

Like, did you have something like, did you have a sport or like a creative thing that you did when you were younger?

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Okay.

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Well, I don't know if you want to get back into cheer.

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No, but I think about it sometimes.

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I'm like, I would go to a gym and like tumble at a gym.

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And I would, I've actually done it a few times since I quit cheer and I, I fucking loved it.

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And I think that there's something special about

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that experience of like doing something when you were a kid that was so genuinely, Like there was no reason why you loved it so much or whatever.

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It was so genuine for me to ride and be around horses.

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And I stopped for a while and to come back to it.

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As an adult, there was just something like, there's something so like, I feel very grounded.

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I feel very like, I feel like a kid again, total inner child work.

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Like it's actually kind of amazing in that way.

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So I don't know.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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And then last but not least,

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if you were on, if you had to eat one meal for the rest of your life, what would it be?

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You can do multiple.

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Like a genre?

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Should I pick like a?

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It could be a genre.

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It could be like a random assortment of like four things, but a meal, like if you had to eat one meal for the rest of your life.

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Okay.

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See, you're putting a lot of pressure on me giving you like a wild answer, but I'm like, I.

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It could be something I honestly think like weirdly like a Kraft mac and cheese is like more interesting good

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So good Annie's is better, but there's things you think so I do Okay, whatever

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There's something about crap going back to nostalgia is like craft is just like there's something

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so special about it Like it is special.

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There's there's nothing and a leftover craft like the next day.

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It's like a block.

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Oh, yeah

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I would literally take it out of the fridge cold

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and just start like cutting chunks off like that's delicious I don't know.

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I'm I I always say like I feel like I've you

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know within friend groups just like you get asked this question or when you're drunk or something.

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I don't know but I feel like I love Italian.

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Like I there's not there's so many options within Italian food

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and I think that I could because I think

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if you like I was thinking about sushi for a second

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and I was like

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but I feel like it's although there are probably a lot

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more options than I've tried I feel like it's a little more limiting.

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Like I think Italian has like everything almost like there's

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so many options And I think

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that like I've been on trips to Italy where you just go eat pasta every day all day

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and I never get sick of it Yeah, I think it's that I mean something

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that I won't get sick of you can really there are

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so many different pasta shapes And despite what people think they all taste different

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So it's very all every penne is a different food than spaghetti There's different meaning.

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It's so like I just need to get that out of the way Before I now ask you really deep questions.

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Yeah, you're gonna get really weird.

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No, it's not gonna be weird It's gonna be so I make it weird.

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We might start crying I can't wait.

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So I constantly think about your childhood being your friend.

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You do?

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Which is like really worth.

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Oh, okay.

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I like, I don't know.

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I just, I got into the public eye at like 16 and not even nearly to the scale that you have experienced.

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And I had such a profound like level of challenge with it.

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Like it was so hard and I'm just now sort of figuring it out

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and getting to a place where like I'm able to manage the psychological impact.

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That's a blessing that you've gotten there as well.

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I don't even know and I still don't have it figured out.

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But like I think about if it would have happened to me younger and how that would have impacted me.

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And I'm like I can't tell like would you say that it's made you sort of immune in some ways?

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I know that the answer is no, but maybe in some ways, yes.

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Has it made you immune in some ways?

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Do you feel like you have a thicker skin because of it?

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Has it maybe had the opposite impact and made you more vulnerable in some ways?

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Like, what do you think that, how do you think that has impacted your mental state throughout the years?

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I think it's like a little bit of everything almost.

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Like it has made me tougher, but it also has made me a little bit more vulnerable or maybe a little sensitive to certain things.

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but I think also like there is, there is no comparison in like how it happened to you and how it happened to me.

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But I think that it was like different times also.

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Cause you think about like when our show started, um, there wasn't Instagram, there wasn't, there wasn't social media like it is today.

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So I think that it was just a little different.

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It almost felt like I thought about it before where like, it's a little Hannah Montana in the way of like, I didn't have a disguise or I didn't have like a physical shift.

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But I think that there was a sense and I say Kylie and I because she's not only my sister, but we're so close in age.

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And I very thankfully got to do it with like a partner.

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You know what I mean?

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And we went to school.

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Like we went to school as long as we could.

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I started homeschool 11 and 12.

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I did homeschool 11th and 12th grade.

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But up until then, I did, you know, regular school.

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So even though we had a TV show at home, we were going to regular school all day and had our friends that we had from before the show started.

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So I owe a lot of like, I think the ease to it, which it wasn't always easy,

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but it did feel kind of normal just because we were in school for so long and we were,

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we did have our group of friends and we lived as much of like a normal life as I think was possible.

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And I'm like, so grateful for that because I do feel like, although there were definitely struggles, especially when we got a little bit older

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and people started to like kind of care about me and Kylie's life more than when we were like, I was 10, I think when the show started.

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So it took a few years till people started to like invest maybe and like into our lives and whatever.

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And things started to shift.

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But I think another thing that we really had, that was really something I'm grateful for is it kind of grew as we got older.

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So it was a little bit, I want to say gradual.

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You know, I have friends who've had an overnight experience and

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And I don't know if you feel like maybe your experience was slightly overnight or fast.

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It was pretty fast.

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As an outsider, I would say your experience was kind of fast.

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Yeah.

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Like, I feel like you were, yeah, you like grew really quickly on YouTube and stuff, right?

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And I think there's a little bit of a difference maybe in impact

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but also with like the time of social media like yeah

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i grew with social media as well as growing with like the fame i guess but definitely

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so many challenges definitely i also think it it made me

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um grow up a little faster maybe there was like a level of maturity

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that i that i found i was always a relatively i think like mature kid

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but i think there was a level of maturity that, that also had to grow really quickly.

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Like I was working at a really young age.

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I was traveling alone at a pretty young age, traveling the world, not alone, alone.

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I was with, you know, obviously my, my agent, who's also my really good friend, but you know, without my parents, without my family, like, and all those things.

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So a little bit of early growth as well.

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And I don't know, I'm grateful for my experience.

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I have to say, cause I also know that there are people that might have it, that it might be, you know, really tough for them.

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And, um, especially like in the mental health space of it all, I think that I've obviously had my, my moments even as a kid.

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And I think Kylie and I had to go through like very like adult things at a really young age.

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And I don't know, like a lot of internet hate at a really young age, which I feel like a lot of us have experienced and even just like,

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yeah, just, just weird stuff like that.

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But overall, I am really grateful because I think it could have been a lot worse.

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And I think that Kylie and I, the one thing that we really had was a lot of stability, a lot of love and like really great support system and really great friends.

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So it felt like we could remove ourselves a lot of the time and feel really like normal.

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Well, also too, I think having your family may be all kind of I never really thought about this until now

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which is bizarre because it's so obvious

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but it's like it's all kind of scaling at the same time

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so it's like you know you

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and Kylie are going through it at the same time

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but also you know your other sisters

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and then also even you know your parents

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and it's like it's all happening to everyone at once yeah

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so it's like you can go anyone um you know of your closest loved ones

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and you can have these conversations with anyone it's like

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which i think is probably really helpful

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and it's probably also interesting to watch how you know your different family members have responded to these things

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and you know their different perspectives

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and their different responses to it well they're also older

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so we got to see them make mistakes as well we learn from them in positive ways too um

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but i think that that's where kylie and I also get kind of the privacy aspect of like our personal lives, which our sisters were always really open with,

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especially on like the earlier days of our show and, and all of that.

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But it's just kind of been something that I think we learned from not in a negative way at all, but just kind of like took it and said,

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this is how I would personally deal with like my journey

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and no shame or blame to how anyone else would deal with theirs.

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But, um, I think that was just, those are just things you pick up on.

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So I think there's also an aspect of us being really grateful

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that we had older siblings that we got to see do things before us or like, yeah, like lead us in a way.

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I feel like one of the biggest challenges that comes with being in the public eye,

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especially at your scale, is sort of being a societal punching bag.

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I, again, think about this all the time

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because you reach a certain level of of fame of notoriety

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and it is inevitable it's just inevitable

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and it's gonna happen you can't do anything

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but like it's just it's just what happens how do you deal with

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that um i do and i don't i'd say i think

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that um it's part of the long journey

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that i've had of like i guess that's where like the tough skin aspect comes in

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but i'd be lying to if I said I haven't fallen victim to like, of course, oh my God,

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like that sucks that that's like a narrative or like that's just so not true or that's not who I am.

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Like there's definitely a frustration and me again, being a control freak or being someone who like,

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everybody wants to be understood and to feel like I want to live a private life.

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But then that also kind of means sometimes not having control over a narrative

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or maybe giving space for someone else to create the narrative, that can get kind of frustrating to feel like,

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oh, that's a misunderstanding or like you've completely misunderstood me.

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And, you know, you want to like be you want to like almost respond to everything

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or like try and prove people wrong.

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But I've learned my lesson.

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And especially as I get older with stuff like

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that is like staying like level and being authentic to like exactly who you are

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and knowing your worth and knowing who you are

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and then being able to sit back and like take the high road in a way and be like, you know what, what's the point in addressing something that's one, not, not even true.

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And then two, like not going to change anything.

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Even if I do, I think

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that that's almost been my power is like being able to sit back

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and be comfortable with it at this point and be like, anybody who needs to know who I am will know who I am.

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And anybody who really matters to me or who comes close to me, like they'll see.

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And I almost kind love the like proving people wrong

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or like people might walk into it being like i have an idea of this

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because of what i've seen on the internet

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and then being pleasantly surprised is like i'm cool with

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that like i'm i'm happy to be i'm also like such

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a scorpio i'm like i don't want to give everybody everything you know what i mean

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so when someone means when someone means something to me

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and something feels really special or sacred to me like i'm really happy

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that they get to experience that version of me totally and it feels almost special to that person as well

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so i can't give you like a straight up answer of like what has helped me

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or what has changed things or what has fixed i don't know whatever

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but i think

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that it's a long process it's a long it is years i am 28 this journey started

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when i was 10 and like i think

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that it's been a really long time for me to get to where i am now

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and it's never gonna be there's never like an end to the like process of healing

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or the process of like figuring out your way like it's always i don't know changing

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and evolving and absolutely whatever yeah

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so let's get into modeling a bit okay i think a lot of people romanticize it

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and are like this is the dream like this is the dream job like just being beautiful

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and and you know getting to wear these beautiful clothes and

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and doing all these things

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but as with all things there's incredible elements such as you know why people romanticize the the the line of work,

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but then there's also, you know, challenges with it that I think are, are less considered.

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And I'm curious to hear what have been sort of the parts of modeling

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that are maybe the most romanticized that don't maybe match that in reality in the sense,

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like, you know, not to shit on modeling at all as a, in any way, or to shit on the experience or to like,

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take away from the magic that I can imagine that that career path can bring, but more to

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sort of just shed light on the reality of it for the sake of proving to people

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that the grass is always greener.

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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I think it definitely goes without saying that like there is hair and makeup and lighting on like, you know what I mean?

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Like the physical of it is not always that way.

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Right.

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Like I think that's with anybody, anything.

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And I think that you're, you're in, you're in the best hands most of the time.

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And you're in like, um, you know, the best setting for your like physical and all the things.

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And so I think that when it comes to like, you know, someone on a cover of a magazine or like in an editorial, they're going to like, probably,

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you know, it's not always that perfect and that shiny.

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Um, so there's that, but I think that kind of goes without saying.

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And I think that as for romanticizing it, look, I'm not going to sit here and say that I've had like a, you know, a really like I've had the toughest journey and, you know, all those things.

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I think I've been extremely fortunate, but I also have had, you know, my own set of challenges and whether that be,

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you know, whether it's overworked or whether it's not getting a job that I would have really loved to get.

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I think that something that is to be said about anyone who would want to get into it or, um, or that has any idea of it is,

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it is a lot of like self love, like a big self love.

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Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask about.

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Yeah, it's like, it's very, you have to have such a strong relationship with yourself to be able to go into it because it can be cutthroat.

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And it can be like, you are sometimes like, oh my god, why didn't I am I not, you know, enough for this job or whatever.

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So there are those moments or, you know, people also in the industry can be really like tough or blunt or brutal.

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And so So I think there's those types of things for sure.

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But again, I, I've, I'm so grateful.

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I've had like a really, um, beautiful experience and again, come came with some of, some of its challenges as well.

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I think a lot of people, myself included would have assumed like, Oh, this is probably the confidence boost of a lifetime.

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Like, you know, this being your career path or whatever, being able to do that.

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But then I think the truth of the matter is it's like, you're in this sort of business of just looking a certain way in a way

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and it's like in a lot of ways I think you

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know you do have to figure out how to put your worth elsewhere

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and I don't know how in the world a young woman could possibly manage

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that yeah I think that it it also is a lot of like um I think

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that it's a lot of having like great people around you a great support system and great family, great friends.

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And again, for anyone who would ever want to do it, I think is literally having a great relationship with yourself enough

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to be able to go home at the end of the night

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and still like look yourself in the mirror and be happy and love yourself.

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I think that that's the biggest thing.

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And I, yeah.

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It's also lonely.

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I've, I've heard about, you know, like you're, you're very young.

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A lot of the times, like, you know, 16, 17, 18, 19, and you're,

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you're traveling around alone yeah for the most part yeah i was um it is very lonely like i've had

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really you know dark nights where i've been in you know kind of random cities

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and just hysterically crying myself to sleep

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because i haven't been home in three months

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and i've been pretty much alone the entire time

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or i'm on a job and something really you know crazy happens at home

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that i would love to be there for

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and i'm being told i can't be and like just there's there's been been a lot of definite moments where I'm like, what is going on?

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Is this all worth it?

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And then, you know, when I look back on the time that I've had with it so far, it is a really beautiful thing to be able to travel the world the way I have.

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I probably would have never traveled the way I have

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or the amount that I have had I not had that job, this job.

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I've met really amazing people.

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A lot of my friends are because of this job.

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A lot of cool, creative people.

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A lot of like inspiration in my life is like all because of my job.

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So I feel very grateful for it.

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I feel very grateful for my experience and for having a relatively really good experience.

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I feel really grateful because I have heard, um, a lot of stories from friends of mine and people that I know and peers and stuff that haven't.

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What's like your grounding routine when you're traveling a lot,

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like, especially, you know, maybe during like peak travel times with modeling, like what was your, your sort of grounding routine?

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I don't think I had the tools I have now.

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I think a lot of it was obviously friends.

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And then also I had friends in the industry, like really good friends who I knew before as well.

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So I think that was really helpful was my friends being around.

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Totally.

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Because it didn't feel so lonely.

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But I think that now when feeling overwhelmed or feeling like I need that kind of grounding experience, like if I'm away, I'm a water sign.

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So and water naturally is a cleanser.

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So like I believe in like cleansing my body any way I can.

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So if I'm like overwhelmed or I'm out, like I want to go stand in a shower.

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If that's the my closest form to water, I want to go like cleanse my body, cleanse my soul.

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Like even in a bathtub, like a bath is really good.

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Put my heart under water and like, just like chill.

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Those are like really good tactics for me to like soften myself and like release.

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But like, if I'm away for a few weeks and I'm like doing the shower thing, but then like eventually I'm, you know, I'm, I'm able to have some free time.

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Like I want to run to a beach.

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I want to run to a lake.

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Like I want to just like submerge myself in water.

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So that's been like a, a cleansing journey that I've been on.

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But I mean, I have so many things.

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I think that also like turning off my mind as best as I can

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so like putting my phone down is like a big thing

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or going for a walk

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or how do you not obsess over the phone like do

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you have I don't know man like I'm not perfect

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and I fall victim to it all the time well I just had to take like an extreme measure

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which I'll even tell you more about I have to like it's like a full like experience

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but I just got a second phone.

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Okay.

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So I have one phone that has like all social media on it.

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Yeah.

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And also just like any app I don't want on my phone.

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Like it has Postmates on it.

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It has DoorDash.

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It has every social media app.

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It has YouTube.

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It has all the sort of entertainment.

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It has like, you know, the Netflix, the Hulu, the Max.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It has all, it's basically, I've named it because you can name each phone.

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Oh, yeah.

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Each device, the bad phone.

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Okay.

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And then I have the good phone, which I bring around with me

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every day

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and it has like you know all the stuff i need

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for work on it wait did you come up with this

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or did someone like give you this advice this totally exists

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somewhere however i i did ultimately come up with it i

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was like this idea it's completely excessive in the sense

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that now i have two phones which is wild

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but a little annoying it's totally annoying but but i like this

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but i love it yeah literally i've not been on instagram like doom scrolling in

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well it becomes over a week it becomes an addiction now

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like all right i'm full i was fully addicted that's why i did this that's something

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that i practice a lot is like

419

when i feel myself like i go to grab my phone

420

and i'm like i don't need to do this i'm like i'm with my friends

421

or i'm like watching this game or like why am i craving this right now

422

so then i just put it back down i was

423

so bad about it

424

that like to me also too i i almost had this

425

like anxious like obsessive sort of trait about it where i'd

426

be like i need to check to make sure everything's okay yeah this is my job i have to check

427

and it's like if something's going wrong you're gonna find out i'm gonna find out

428

so i need to let this control go

429

and it's been that's been the hardest thing about it like

430

obviously you know i like to see what people are up to

431

and i get like super you know everybody has their own

432

like stalking journey like whatever it's it's like you like you

433

start on the explore page the next thing you know you're on like your middle school best friends page

434

and I know someone who is pretty well known and doesn't have social media at all.

435

And I asked her, I was like, or someone else asked her, I was in the room.

436

They were like, wait, what?

437

You don't have social media?

438

Like, how do you know, like the news?

439

Like, how do you know what's going on?

440

And she's like, if it's big enough, I'll hear about it.

441

Like, I don't need social media to know what's going on.

442

So I do kind of agree that it's kind of a silly excuse to be like, I need to know what's going on.

443

Like you don't need to know, because you will find out.

444

You will find out.

445

But I also, um, I think I sometimes almost it's, it's my messages that overwhelm me more than social media.

446

Sometimes I am on social media, but I wouldn't say I'm that crazy on it.

447

Like I'm not on it all the time.

448

It's more like messages for me.

449

Like I think I have a lot of work stuff, but I'm also like, you know, my friends chatting and group chats and the whole thing.

450

And so I'm silencing everything.

451

I need to start doing do not disturb.

452

I haven't gotten there yet.

453

Whoa.

454

I've been on do not disturb for four years.

455

No, I know.

456

I haven't done that yet.

457

And I need get into it i think it would be good for me

458

because i feel like i like having zero messages oh same are you

459

that girl yes i like having zero messages

460

so i feel like i need to answer everybody yeah but

461

but why do we feel obligated that's not normal to have

462

act for someone to have access to you 24 7 is

463

not normal it's not how like human like that's not another

464

thing i did with the second phone yeah two numbers

465

so one number that is like the one on my phone constantly that's just

466

you know this is all still a work in progress

467

but it's like right now it's literally just my parents

468

and like yeah you know like the closest like four people to me who like need my contact

469

and then work people yeah

470

and then the other phone is like you know it's everyone else

471

because i i also feel this sort of pressure at times

472

where you know maybe you'll have like four people who are like hey let's hang out

473

and it's like that can cause a lot of anxiety

474

when you're not in the headspace to be handling it and

475

when you're like already overwhelmed with your life maybe through work

476

or whatever or from work or whatever

477

and then now all of a sudden you know you just

478

can't always manage very easily overwhelmed me as well very easily

479

and it's not even anything personal to no anyone the fact

480

that i'm like okay i need these two numbers because i need to be able to

481

have these other conversations at a time

482

when i can actually give my full self to it totally and and

483

that has been really interesting like you know i always have zero notifications on my on my main phone

484

and you know

485

and those are really the things i need to know immediately

486

everything else can wait eight hours 24 hours even 48

487

and it's just not that big of a deal yeah

488

so i don't know maybe you tried the two phones no i might i actually really like this idea um

489

but yeah definitely the the thing of like reassuring yourself like

490

oh this doesn't need to be answered right away like i

491

think people people also expect you i expect my friends i'm like hey

492

when i hit you like i expect my friends to reply

493

so you know i don't like that expectation on me

494

so i don't want to expect that from anyone else either i think

495

that we need to be able to like loosen up a little bit yeah for me it's

496

so for me it's messages

497

that overwhelm me a little bit more um speaking of like

498

phone anxiety we're both anxious we both talked about it a lot in fact like you've really

499

spoken about it throughout the years so much which i think is

500

so important and special not only for yourself yeah to help people understand you better as a public figure

501

because anxiety can present itself in yeah a number of ways for sure

502

but also you know just it is important it like as

503

an anxious person myself anytime somebody else is like i'm

504

so anxious i'm like thank god yeah it's like you know

505

because i think with anxiety too you can convince yourself

506

that you have your own weird version of it

507

that no one else has yeah yeah yeah and like

508

which it is like it's not one size fits all yours

509

and like whatever it is kind of a thing of like

510

you know figuring out your way with it absolutely

511

but it's still nice to know everybody has their own weird

512

version of it totally you're like not alone in it whatsoever like what is your

513

day-to-day routine look like to sort of like keep the anxiety low like you know

514

when from morning to night what are the different things

515

that you integrate you already mentioned sort of like the water tactic of like getting in water um

516

but you know do you do you read books a lot like do you have like you know a meditation

517

that you do like what does your day look like for anxiety prevention if you will.

518

For a long time, I thought it was do the meditation, which I believe in meditation.

519

And I believe that it is very helpful.

520

Do the meditation, do the, you know, all the like actual, like real things.

521

I think sometimes it's as simple as, and it's kind of what we were just talking about is like managing what can cause,

522

like knowing what can cause it and trying to find your boundaries with it, manage it, not do it at all.

523

Like things like we're talking about the phone, things like me getting like overwhelmed with messages.

524

Okay.

525

If I'm feeling overwhelmed with messages that aren't necessary to respond to right now, maybe it is about putting my phone away for a second

526

and literally going for a 15 minute walk or literally making cookies

527

or like actually watching maybe like a cartoon for a second to just like calm my nervous system.

528

I don't know, whatever it looks like for you.

529

I think it's like I said, not a one size fits all journey.

530

And I think it's so much about finding what calms your nervous system and recognizing it, putting it in like a notepad somewhere and being like, okay, these are things that calm me.

531

These are things that make me worse or give me anxiety or make me feel overwhelmed and trying to then navigate like,

532

okay, how can I kind of avoid these things or find boundaries with these things?

533

And how can I gravitate more towards the things that make me feel good?

534

So it's more intuitive, I think than like a structural.

535

I've noticed that too.

536

Like I almost have to handle my anxiety on a case by case basis.

537

Totally.

538

It's like, okay.

539

Cause I've tried to do things like, I mean, there are certain like,

540

you know, fundamental sort of parts of my day-to-day life that I know make me more anxious or are helpful.

541

Totally.

542

So for example, like I think waking up in the morning and I am not perfect with this.

543

I can't say that every morning I do this, but waking up in the morning and not immediately looking at my phone and changes the game.

544

A lot of what it is is so much overstimulation.

545

So it's like a lot of too much information for our brain to even process.

546

Yeah.

547

And especially scrolling like TikTok, like we're not meant to see that much information that quickly.

548

We're going, I'm going from crying because something was so cute and sad to like hysterically crying, laughing, but something was so funny.

549

Like, I don't know if we're supposed to feel those two things within a span of 30 seconds.

550

Yeah.

551

Or we're not used to it, at least.

552

I don't know.

553

I'm curious about sort of, you know, the process of building friendship.

554

I know I've had interesting friendship building experiences just because naturally it's like, I don't know, like it's,

555

it's challenging in an environment where people potentially can, can gain from you in a lot of different ways, whether it's, you know, uh,

556

career wise, or even just like, you know, going to dinner and like oh well maybe maybe she will pay

557

or whatever like whatever it may be like there's it's very uncomfortable sort of trying to navigate building friendships

558

that are genuine and positive and where you can truly trust you know the people

559

that you're around and i mean no friend is perfect either right

560

so it's like also balancing this sort of complex situation where it's like not every friend is perfect

561

but also i need to have maybe stricter boundaries in some ways

562

because there's a a lot of people

563

that might be trying to to potentially take advantage of me what has been your sort of friendship strategy because it's

564

so important well i think yeah i think i think also

565

like i don't know maybe this is just a me thing

566

but i feel like i hear this from other um women as well as like i think when you're um older

567

as a woman, like sometimes it's a little bit more like you don't, you kind of have your friends, right?

568

You kind of already have your like your crew and your vibe.

569

And it's, it's a little bit more on the rare side to like make new friends.

570

Totally.

571

As you get older.

572

I don't know.

573

Yeah.

574

Maybe that's, maybe I've just experienced that.

575

I've heard that too.

576

Not because, not because you're not a friendly person or you can't meet other friendly people.

577

It's just kind of like a little more rare, I guess.

578

Like when you're a kid, everybody's your friend and you're always making friends and whatever.

579

And I think that I have really good judgment.

580

I also feel like I have really good, like I can really read people really well and get a really good vibe most of the time.

581

So I think I've gotten really lucky with that.

582

Yeah.

583

And I feel like I trust my body and I trust those energy feelers.

584

Totally.

585

And if I don't feel good around someone, I know that there's probably a reason.

586

So I just don't waste my time going there.

587

And I'm really tough.

588

Like I'm like, I have a friend who is so open to other people and it's so like whatever.

589

And she can get kicked in the ass sometimes because of it.

590

And I just am so not that person.

591

I don't really let a lot of people in, especially now, but I never really have, even since I was young, it's kind of always been part of my nature.

592

But again, for me, it's an energy thing.

593

Like if I feel like really good around someone like you and I, I like, I knew I liked you before I met you, which is an interesting scenario.

594

So I was like excited to get to know you and you didn't disappoint.

595

And you're like amazing.

596

And you're great.

597

Thank you. And ditto.

598

And thank you.

599

And so much of it is vibe and energy for me.

600

I completely agree.

601

Like I, and I don't just trust right away.

602

Like I, I definitely like, I like slow pedal.

603

And then I'm, And then one day I'm like, you're an open.

604

Yeah.

605

I can feel that like, this is a good vibe and like, we're, we're good.

606

You can't, like, I still am sort of, I bet you learn that throughout your life.

607

Like, I feel like that was something that probably happened like without you even realizing it.

608

Maybe it's just your nature though too.

609

It could be one or the other or a mixture, but it's like, that is so important because I'm somebody that's, I'm just kind of like a free bird.

610

Like I'm just like telling everyone everything about me and it's like and it's something i'm really working on because

611

it's it's kind of spooky out here sometimes like you got you can't like spooky you can't do

612

that and i i do that you know what i mean

613

and like i think there's something like free about it for sure to be like ah everything's gonna be okay

614

and like everyone's amazing and whatever

615

but there's also something like just i think we have to

616

sometimes remind ourselves like of the world we live in now

617

and like the way that i don't everybody wants to talk

618

and it's horrible i don't want to be a part of it

619

and i don't i don't know so i just i keep to myself

620

and my crew as much as i can

621

but at the same time i love i love being in like the rooms

622

that we're in or like being at a fun event

623

and you know seeing someone who i'm like a fan of

624

or that i love and i think is really cool

625

and like being able to chop it up and like all of

626

that is great i love all of that

627

and i love i love experiencing new people um

628

and you just know your boundaries yeah so that i think that's important

629

and everything is boundaries yes i think that in any relationship

630

and whatever and i mean

631

that to say like protecting your energy totally like i think

632

that's the most important part of it i also think we

633

live in a world like you know i i think evil eye is a real thing

634

so we live in a world where like you expose yourself to

635

so much evil eye and that can become really heavy yeah And people, aka the world, or even people closer than you think might be wishing poorly on you.

636

And without themselves even knowing it, I think like even subconsciously people can wish poorly on you.

637

Yeah.

638

Energetically people can wish poorly on you.

639

So anything that's important to you, I believe in like keeping to yourself and like, I agree a job that you might want.

640

You don't need to tell everybody that you're going for this job because there might be people closer than you think, like trying to put it down or like put bad vibes into it.

641

Again, they could be doing it subconsciously.

642

So I think that's a big thing for me is like protecting my energy, protecting my surroundings, protecting information, protecting my life.

643

Like keeping it, keeping it sacred.

644

Totally.

645

What is something that you've worked on with yourself over the last few years that has like paid dividends?

646

Like, like what's like work on yourself that's been the most impactful, like a challenge that you've overcome that's been like holy shit

647

that changed the game for me i think

648

so much of it is like life experience like like learning

649

lessons right like just learning experiences going through shit coming out

650

the other side knowing what worked for you knowing what didn't

651

but i think that the biggest thing for me i'm i'm relatively new to like the therapy experience

652

but i maybe i started like two years ago

653

and i think my therapy journey has been really nice for

654

me i consider myself a really self-aware person i think it's only made me more self-aware

655

to be able to talk through problems with someone else

656

and be able to like um maybe see them at face value

657

or like uh digest why i might do something a certain way

658

or why i might handle a situation a certain way it's only made me more self-aware

659

so i'd say like probably my therapy journey is like the

660

most that's a great transformative thing in the last two years I've never found a good therapist, but I'll find one.

661

But it's so much of that.

662

You will, by the way, if you continue to look, you will.

663

Mine, I went through a few and then I kind of gave up.

664

And then one day she like came to me through someone.

665

Like someone was like, oh my God, I just found this amazing person.

666

Yep.

667

You should try them.

668

And I did.

669

And I was like, wait, I'm really into this vibe.

670

So I do believe it comes to you when it's meant to in a way.

671

I think that something like advice I would give is like something that's really been interesting for me is like consistency.

672

So like there'll be days.

673

Yeah, that's probably what I'm doing.

674

No, no, no. But you should find someone who makes you feel like you want to be consistent.

675

Yes, absolutely.

676

I believe that as well.

677

But I think that consistency is important only because like there are days where I go into it where I'm like, my life feels great right now.

678

Like I don't need to do this today.

679

Like I think I'm going to cancel.

680

And then I don't cancel and I do it and something always comes up.

681

Doesn't mean it's negative.

682

Interesting.

683

But something always comes to fruition in these sessions.

684

And I think that that's what's really important about a consistent journey.

685

Yes is like, I believe that

686

if you want to do it for a few years and then maybe take like six months off or a year off, whatever, that's fair.

687

You can do whatever you want to do, especially in that type of environment.

688

But for me, that's something I've noticed is like sticking to it, even on the good days is like really important.

689

That's amazing.

690

And you're inspiring me to try again for the bazillionth time.

691

What do you think is the most simplified recipe for you for a fulfilled life not necessarily a happy life

692

because that's a little bit too much to ask because

693

that doesn't exist but like a fulfilled life in the sense

694

that you feel sort of full in your heart you know there's always going to be some sadness

695

and there are some challenges well that's what makes the happiness all the better exactly

696

so what do you think is your recipe for a fulfilled

697

life like it could be anything it could even be like little things

698

that you do on a day-to-day it could be anything well

699

i i crave a simple life that's for sure like i think that when i see myself

700

um older and hopefully with a really amazing um beautiful family of my own

701

and all those things like I think

702

that that's a part of the recipe right yes

703

but I also think something that would be meaningful to me is like something

704

that is meaningful to me and

705

that would continue to be meaningful to me is like relationships

706

with like important people in my life friends really beautiful times really beautiful memories like those are really like just

707

so important they're the only things we can bring with us when we leave this place.

708

And I think that that's really important to me is creating that space and that time for those things.

709

And I think leaving an impact on those people is really important to me.

710

So as long as like I bring only great vibes to the people that I, that bring great vibes to me, then I would feel like I would be really fulfilled,

711

um, in life and, you know, my future relationships.

712

But yeah, I definitely crave like a simple, a simple life like I want to I want to be

713

out of here one day yeah I I get it go be on a farm

714

and I so get it yeah and I also

715

but it is interesting we're very aligned there where it's like it comes down to people

716

and community it's like really a lot of this I mean we are on our own individual journeys

717

but people are so important

718

so important we're not we're not designed to be we need each other like we do need each other absolutely

719

and I think that you know having a room full of people

720

that you love and that love you back is super important.

721

And, um, I don't know, it definitely makes for a fulfilled life.

722

But right now, like I say, I want to, I say, I want to move to a farm, which I definitely do.

723

And I crave that pretty much every day.

724

But at the same time, like, I think I have this, like, not fear of, I have this fear of getting older, but not for the physical reasons.

725

Like I have a fear of getting older because everyone who's older, like always is like, it goes by so fast.

726

And like, I get chills right now, even saying that, like, cause I'm only 28.

727

Of course, I'm still young.

728

But like, even those 28 years went by so fast.

729

So I'm like, oh my gosh, it only feels like it gets faster.

730

Yeah.

731

And I think that I have this fear of like, not enjoying myself, especially while I'm like young and able and healthy.

732

And like, totally, I understand that to serve me.

733

And I think that I want to enjoy that too.

734

So I feel really like I want to be where my feet are, right.

735

And I want to like, experience everything the way I should.

736

And I want to like, live my life.

737

You know what, your podcast, I don't know if it was your podcast or your YouTube channel.

738

But I remember you said something one time because you have really good one liners, but like, I mean, you're really good at it.

739

But like you said something one time where you were like, you know, sometimes I have like a week where I'm really bored or like sometimes I'm having a really boring day.

740

And like, I've realized that that's actually more normal than like you think.

741

And I just like beat myself up about like being like

742

not doing anything today or like whatever

743

and kind of just having a mundane day

744

and like it actually is really normal yes

745

and i think especially right now in like social media we think

746

that everything should be glitzy and glammy and shiny and like perfect

747

and always traveling and always doing these things

748

and always with fun people like that's not the reality of

749

everyone's life in fact it's not good for you either no you need the boring day yeah of course in

750

so many different ways of course and i think that like you and i def you're a homebody

751

I'm so a homebody

752

and I enjoy being home I am not the girl who's gonna go out

753

and rage yeah all the time I love a good occasional

754

like fun night dance we need a phase every once in a

755

while but that's

756

but we're not like a consistent I always say to my

757

friends who are like oh my god come out live your life I'm like

758

but what if I'm really happy in my bed early yes like what if

759

that makes me really I'm in a board game phase it's

760

no it's no I I can't believe I'm saying it but like I this last weekend was like, I can't go out because I really want to play this board game again.

761

Like I've been playing it for like the entire week.

762

But that's okay.

763

It makes you happy.

764

It made me so much happier.

765

And I went to bed at a reasonable time and it was beautiful.

766

And like, but that's totally, I know exactly what you mean.

767

Totally.

768

Okay.

769

But at the same time, while I, you know, I say that, and that is who I am.

770

That is what I love is like being at home, being the home body, all those things i also think um having those special memories

771

and those big nights

772

and those fun nights like that's also important to me i'm

773

in a phase in life right now where i'm like maybe i will just go

774

and see what happens i want to like live a little right now

775

and be where my feet are and experience as much as i can

776

and just like move go with the flow yes that's totally

777

my vibe right now me too we're aligned sister i love

778

it okay my last question though is yes this is completely off off topic is

779

if you had to make me a cocktail right now obviously with tequila okay I mean duh but also

780

because that's my liquor of choice anyways um what would you

781

make me tell me the exact recipe like I'm saying like

782

but no no but you're making you're you're like this is too easy

783

I know well I guess okay

784

but it can't be an espresso martini okay that's what I

785

was gonna say no it can't be an espresso martini it has to be something

786

that one something else it has to be

787

like something brand new well

788

if it wasn't an espresso martini with the chamberlain coffee in

789

it it would be an 818 tequila of course oh my god i don't know i'm

790

so like i enjoy because i love to appreciate the tequila

791

so it would be with tequila do you just drink it

792

on the rocks for the most part most part yeah our reserve i drink on the rocks

793

so i like yes simple drinks like i like our reserve

794

on the rocks with a with squeezed in like orange

795

and just like leaving the orange on the rim like that's my favorite

796

but if i had to make you something i don't know i think

797

that like i've made really yummy drinks in my life like

798

i randomly love to like i like to do this thing where i take like drinks

799

that are traditionally made with like other alcohol yes

800

and like make it with tequila like a macaroni i know

801

that might be a little bit intense but like love love or

802

like i don't know an old-fashioned or something yum

803

but those are like very mature

804

but you need to make those for me okay i won't

805

i don't think i've had well i still haven't been to your house

806

so yeah okay well i'll come over we're planning cocktails we're

807

gonna have the most fun time we're gonna play a board game i'm

808

so down i swear i'm your gal like it's

809

so kendall this one game

810

that i'm like it's called you know ticket to ride oh no idea what

811

that is no it's

812

so there is something like kind of like i like i've been playing it since i was little but now

813

that i'm an adult it's the most strategic challenging game like

814

i feel my brain cells like rebuilt like rebuilding like i'm getting smarter from this game i see i like

815

because it's so hard i like games like

816

that like i used to be um i used to like to play like video games

817

and stuff a lot when i was younger yeah and then

818

when i got older i was like i want to dive back into this

819

and see what's like out in the world yeah anytime i found like puzzle like games

820

that like challenge your brain like even on like xbox

821

or whatever yeah playstation like i love those types of games

822

well you're coming over we're gonna play perfect challenge me okay

823

i can't wait make my brain stronger okay good i'll see you then perfect okay bye

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