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Be direct, clear, and empathetic.
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Don't bubble wrap your communication.
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My name is Matt Abrahams, and I teach strategic communication at Stanford Graduate School of Business.
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Welcome to this Quick Thinks episode of Think Fast, Talk Smart, the podcast.
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In my recent conversation with gerontologist Carrie Burnwright, she discussed so many useful approaches and skills that we could not capture them all in one episode.
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So here we provide more of Carrie's especially when we communicate with older people.
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In your book, you have a quiz about your mindset towards aging.
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And I, like I feel many people, have a declining mindset as you define it.
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Can you describe techniques and ways that we can flip that switch?
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Because I would much rather have a positive outlook and reap the benefits from perhaps doing so.
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Yes.
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Well, so you can think of it, your listeners can think of it, there are two options.
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aptly damn.
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And that's the prevalent.
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That is the cultural norm.
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That's our default setting.
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Then there's the growth aging mindset.
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And if you put an E on, it could be game.
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I like it.
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But the growth aging mindset, in fact, is backed by science.
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And I think that's what helps.
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This is not a put your head in the sand thing.
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This is, in fact, knowing that I am going to be able to, for example, solve problems.
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And I want to give you an example of it, because if people know this, it's going to change the way that they think about their own problem solving.
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And problem solving is something that we need all lifelong.
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So I have a colleague who has passed, but he was at Harvard and his name is Gene Cohn.
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He had a PhD MD.
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And he, every week on Wednesdays, he would pick up his parents who were in their 90s from the train station.
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He would pick them up there.
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help them with their walkers into his car, drive them to his house where they would eat dinner, and then he would drive them home afterwards one day this
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brilliant son was late his parents come up to the platform
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dumping snow they're looking around didn't have a cell phone with
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them they look over they see a pizza place they carefully walk to the pizza place
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and they say you know we'd like to order a pizza
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and Thank you and we'd like to have it delivered to our son's house.
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And when you do, we'd like to ride along with that pizza in the car.
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Oh my goodness, what a great solution.
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He gets home, his parents are there with a hot dinner ready to go.
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But if we didn't understand that we can come up with solutions
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that are not necessarily tech and we need to listen long enough to so people who are ahead of us,
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that older people come up with.
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And so often they have great solutions that we wouldn't even come up with because we're not there yet.
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So look forward to and embrace the benefits that come with age.
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Yes.
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I love that example.
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I think, you know, person and food delivery simultaneously, what a great idea.
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Thank you for that.
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Yeah.
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You, in your book, provide several examples of how we can cultivate joy in our life.
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The one that stood out the most to me and that I've enjoyed doing the most is Give of the Day.
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Can you explain this activity and share how it works?
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Yes.
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So because we know that giving really impacts the quality of our long lives, not to mention benefits others,
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the same way that we do the physical strength kinds of things.
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So when people say like, at what age should I start working on my joy span?
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I say, well, at what age do you think you should start on your cardiovascular health as early as possible?
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And what makes your life better between the ages of 23 and 24 also are the same of 93 and 94.
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So it's never too early and it's never too late.
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You can think of it almost like the way that you lift a weight and you're just doing one, you know, a few day,
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having that ability to look at your day and look for opportunities to give of yourself and that they're small.
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And so in the purpose literature,
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Stephen Cole at UCLA did a study and he looked at the epigenetics of purpose or giving or contribution.
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And what he found is all variables depression,
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in inflammation, in antiviral load.
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And it was so robust that he went right before, I think at around the same time it was published, they did a piece in the New York Times about it.
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And he's like, Wow.
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So giving makes a difference.
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So give it a day is proactively take a moment, maybe when you're having coffee, maybe when you have a little bit of downtime to think,
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what is something I can find today?
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And I'm going to give you some examples.
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You might look in your backyard and you see that there are lemons back there.
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Pick them, put them in a bag, go next door to your next door neighbor.
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Tiny.
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That takes two seconds, whether they need lemons or not.
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And that helps with social connection.
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see a mother or father wrestling with all these children you could say I Could I help for a minute?
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It's little tiny things, mentoring, listening.
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I mean, sometimes just taking the time to think I'm going to be fully present in my listening is the greatest give
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that we can give.
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But it doesn't just happen and it's not just the big moments.
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It's the little moments too.
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And when we think about giving, there is another part of the equation because it does feel good to give and we know about the giver's high.
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Thank you.
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If everybody is just giving, we have a, we don't have the other part, which is the receiving.
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And so something that we need to also learn is how to receive.
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And so that when somebody offers like, oh, your wife is sick, could I bring over dinner?
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We want to say, oh, no, no, I got it.
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But instead to go, thank you, to let, and people say, I'll be happy in longevity as long as I'm independent.
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because I know what the path looks like.
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So I like to think the reality is that we are interdependent.
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We never really were entirely independent.
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And we certainly, if we're holding our independence out as the goal, that's a little bit rougher than saying,
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I'm going to give and also receive.
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I love the activity and I really appreciate you calling it out.
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I know that in my father's life, my father has passed, but his ability to accept help,
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there was a fundamental transition when he began to accept it versus fighting it.
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And thank you for highlighting both sides of that equation.
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I want to turn our attention to communication and part of it, I want to look at your communication,
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not yours, but ours, and I'd love to get your advice.
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Many of us find ourselves needing to have very difficult conversations around aging.
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you be it talking with people about stopping driving cars, moving into assisted living, other situations.
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What advice and guidance do you have to help those of us who need to initiate those conversations
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or perhaps those who are receiving that conversation?
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What can we do to help make that happen? better and less angst and conflict filled.
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I'm so glad you asked that because it is the question that comes up every day.
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Yeah.
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And I will start with what not to do, because this is how it goes when you're a gerontologist.
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I now will pretend that you are the 90 year old father and I am your adult daughter at age 60.
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I'm concerned about something.
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And so what I do is I go in hot.
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Right.
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And I use the only model that I know, which is parenting.
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So this parenting the parent or role reversal It's not a good model because as adults,
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you as the father, you know, You're not a child and you don't want to be parented.
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The reality of aging is on the one hand, there is safety. So.
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Younger people are all about safe.
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This isn't safe.
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Safety, safety, safety.
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But it's not that that's not the whole picture.
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If you look on the other end, it's autonomy.
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Autonomy is one of the development or drivers of growing older.
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And so by going in hot that I, the adult daughter, I'm going to fix your problem.
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I'm taking away your autonomy and you, of course, your natural reaction is, you're going to be a little bit back off.
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I got this.
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I don't need any help because I've threatened you.
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So please, adult children, don't go in hot.
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And I can say this because I've done the same thing.
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My mom was in the hospital for months.
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I thought I was being so terrific.
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I got a hospital bed downstairs so she didn't have to go up the stairs, but I didn't ask her.
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So she got home and she was sick to see this So I do it wrong a lot.
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And so that's why I can say, so how do you do it right?
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Okay, let's say the conversation, is around driving.
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Please throw out this thing as, when do I take away the keys?
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I mean, that right there is the biggest red flag.
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So everyone who's having that thought, please put it away.
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Step one, just like in all communication, as you well know, is to close your mouth and to listen.
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Because then the person is not going to feel like you're coming after their autonomy
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or their personhood or that you're thinking they're less than.
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So it would be.
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A series, not just one, not this big sit down, little conversations where you go, oh, you know, you're hearing,
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let's say, your father driving and he was somewhere.
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You know, you're just talking maybe about driving.
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Right.
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So you're not going after them in any way.
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And then maybe in my case with my mom, she was having more nicks on her car.
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right so i didn't go in
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and go mom yeah oh my gosh this isn't safe you know you could kill someone look at
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that i learned to shut my mouth and say yeah Tell me more about how driving is feeling.
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And then she's looking for you to see if you're coming after her.
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Maybe that's enough for the conversation one.
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Maybe the next conversation, are there parts to it that are getting hard or are you doing fine?
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And then sometimes we can say like, oh.
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I really like, Mom, how we can talk about these things, because I know some other families, it's such contention.
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But look at us, we're just talking, because I really value you and your decision making and your problem solving.
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How did you, for example, like with your mom, what was that like?
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Right.
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So you're putting the person as they should be.
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As the, it's their life and they're ahead of you.
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And yes, you have concerns because you love them and, and you don't want rough things to happen.
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Another one is like a house.
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This is a personal example.
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My mom's house has treacherous stairs and then the most hard marble or something at the bottom.
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And so my older sister said, oh.
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Mom's going to fall down the stairs and break her neck.
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You can't let her live here by yourself.
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I can't believe you're a gerontologist and you let her do that.
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So I did hold that a bit, but then I did this advice of communication of,
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in a calm way, having conversations with my mom of saying, how do you feel on the stairs next time?
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Like what would happen if he would fall?
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Do you ever think about that?
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And my mom, because she doesn't have cognitive impairment, we can especially have.
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Sure.
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She said, you know something, Carrie, it is critically important for me to live in my house.
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And I want to tell you something.
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I probably ultimately will fall someday.
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And I know for sure I am going to die someday.
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So I want you to know in advance, you didn't do anything wrong.
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If you find me bloody on the floor, you know, that you enabled me to do what I wanted.
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Wow.
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Your mom's.
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Not the case of everybody, but in that conversation.
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And I said, oh gosh, mom, you should talk to my sister too, and to my brother and to all.
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So we had all these conversations because aging is a time of greater heterogeneity than any other time.
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Everybody's path is different.
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Everybody's family is different.
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Everybody, but the one, the result that's the same doesn't mean that you did it wrong.
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And so some of these families that I work with where they're just bubble wrapping the person into misery, I think maybe you didn't have the conversations.
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What a powerful image there.
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So many things that you said there that I want to highlight.
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But first, these conversations aren't just with the person who might be older, it's also with the others who to help take care of them.
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And you have to coordinate that.
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And I think a lot of your advice that you gave also applies to those conversations as well.
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Start with inquiry.
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understand that the conversation might be about a bigger issue than you think.
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So it's not about the car keys, it's about autonomy.
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And, break the conversation down into pieces.
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It doesn't all have to happen at once.
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And engaged the other person in the conversation.
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Wonderful advice.
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- And you will disagree.
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And that's the part to it too, is that, so then you're trying to really think through to what extent is it their life?
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And we let people do, what they want to do, even if we don't agree.
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Or then you put in the complicating, sometimes there's cognitive impairment.
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And that really complicates things because would they have chosen a different path if they didn't have some cognitive change?
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So I'm not saying it's easy.
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But I'm saying the more you dig in, the more transparent, the more multiple conversations with other family members, the better.
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Absolutely, absolutely.
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I want to talk very briefly about your approach to explaining these things.
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You have a wonderful way of helping people understand very complex and in some cases, highly emotional issues.
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You use storytelling, you use exemplars, you use very vivid images.
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How do you think about making complex information more accessible to people?
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Because in a large part, that's what you do.
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How do you how do you think through that process?
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Because all of us in our lives have complex things we have to explain.
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I have.
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not a diagnosis of ADHD when I was younger and needed it.
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But I just fumbled through thinking, why can I not pace very close attention?
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And so I have a shorter attention span and I want to get to the point of quickly.
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And so my hope was that I would write a book that you could get to the point, like, what do I need to do here to make my life okay?
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Because I'm scared about growing older.
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So I just tried to write what I would want to read.
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And so in that regards, I think maybe the ADHD helped me.
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So in some ways, you know, and I feel the same way in the book, the books I write is, And I like how you use examples,
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you reinforce, you have catchy phrases, you use quotes, you give activities.
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All of those are ways to revisit the same point to really help.
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And I think all of us in the complexities that we have to describe and explain can benefit.
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Well, there you have it.
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So many useful tools and tips from Keri Burnwright.
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Please be sure to check out our full episode with Keri and give her book Joy Span a read.
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Thank you for tuning in to this Quick Thinks episode of Think Fast, Talk Smart, the podcast.
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맥락 및 배경
이번 영상에서는 스탠포드 대학교의 전략적 커뮤니케이션 강사인 매트 아브라함스가 노화에 대한 긍정적인 대화를 나누기 위한 다양한 접근 방식과 기술을 소개합니다. 노인학자 캐리 번라이트와의 대화를 통해 노인들과의 소통 방식에서 효율성을 높이는 방법을 배울 수 있습니다. 이 대화는 노화에 대한 우리의 사고방식을 전환하는 데 도움을 줄 수 있으며, 긍정적인 태도를 통한 문제 해결의 중요성을 강조합니다.
일상적인 소통을 위한 5가지 주요 구문
- “상황을 명확하게 이야기하세요.” - 대화를 통해 상대방의 이해를 높이는 데 중요합니다.
- “정직하고 공감해 주세요.” - 솔직한 소통이 신뢰를 쌓는 데 필수적입니다.
- “문제를 해결하기 위한 새로운 방법을 찾아보세요.” - 창의적인 해결책을 모색하는 것은 삶의 질을 높입니다.
- “긍정적인 사고방식을 유지하세요.” - 나이가 들어가면서도 긍정적인 태도를 갖는 것이 중요합니다.
- “노인들의 경험에서 배웁니다.” - 세대 간의 소통을 통해 서로의 지혜를 나눌 수 있습니다.
단계별 쉐도잉 가이드
영어 쉐도잉을 통해 매트 아브라함스의 강의를 더욱 효과적으로 이해하고 반복할 수 있습니다. 다음의 단계를 따라 해 보세요:
- 첫 번째 단계: 영상의 내용을 처음부터 들어보며 주의를 기울입니다. 전체적인 주제와 맥락이 무엇인지 파악합니다.
- 두 번째 단계: 짧은 구문을 선택하여 반복합니다. 이때 shadow speech의 원리를 활용하여 발음과 억양을 집중적으로 연습하세요.
- 세 번째 단계: 노화나 긍정적인 사고방식과 관련된 주요 구문을 여러 번 말해보며 영어 발음 교정을 합니다.
- 네 번째 단계: 동영상 속 대화의 템포에 맞춰 따라 해봅니다. 진짜 대화처럼 느껴볼 수 있습니다.
- 다섯 번째 단계: 마지막으로 반복하며 원하는 속도로 대화하고, 자신이 느끼는 감정이나 반응도 함께 표현합니다. 이를 통해 보다 자연스러운 shadowspeaks로 발전시킬 수 있습니다.
이 단계를 통해 귀하의 영어 회화 능력을 향상시키고, shadowing site의 활용도를 높일 수 있습니다. 부딪히는 어려움을 극복하며 언어 실력을 끌어올려 보세요!
이 영상의 문법
화자가 가장 많이 쓰는 문형을 영상 속 실제 표현과 함께 정리했습니다.
| 문형 | 영상 속 표현 |
|---|---|
| 현재완료 have/has + 과거분사 — 과거의 일이 지금도 관련이 있을 때 | has passed · I've enjoyed · I've threatened |
| 관계절 who / which + 절 — 사람이나 사물에 대한 추가 정보 | people who are · part, which is · those who are |
| 수동태 be + 과거분사 — 누가 하는지보다 무슨 일이 일어나는지에 초점 | is backed · was published · be parented |
쉐도잉이란? 영어 실력을 빠르게 키우는 과학적 방법
쉐도잉(Shadowing)은 원래 전문 통역사 훈련을 위해 개발된 언어 학습 기법으로, 다언어 학자인 Dr. Alexander Arguelles에 의해 대중화된 방법입니다. 핵심 원리는 간단하지만 매우 강력합니다: 원어민의 영어를 들으면서 1~2초의 짧은 지연으로 즉시 소리 내어 따라 말하는 것——마치 '그림자(shadow)'처럼 화자를 따라가는 것입니다. 문법 공부나 수동적인 청취와 달리, 쉐도잉은 뇌와 입 근육이 동시에 실시간으로 영어를 처리하고 재현하도록 훈련합니다. 연구에 따르면 이 방법은 발음 정확도, 억양, 리듬, 연음, 청취력, 말하기 유창성을 크게 향상시킵니다. IELTS 스피킹 준비와 자연스러운 영어 소통을 원하는 분들에게 특히 효과적입니다.