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Episode 13 Michael

Welcome to work here.

The first question I was interested in asking is what you think each has contributed to the computer and technology industry,

starting with you, Steve, for Bill and vice versa.

I think

that the biggest thing was Bill was really focused on software before almost anybody else had a clue

that it was really the software.

Bill, how about the contribution of Steve and Apple?

Well, first I want to clarify,

I'm not fake Steve Jobs.

I actually looked at an Apple ad from 1978.

It was a print ad that shows you how ancient it was.

And it said, thousands of people have discovered the Apple computer.

Thousands of people.

We had some very strange ads back then.

We had one where it was in a kitchen

and there was a woman that looked like the wife

and she was typing in recipes on the computer with the husband looking on approvingly in the back.

Stuff like that.

Most people, some people here,

but I don't think most people know that there was actually some Microsoft software in that Apple II computer.

Do you want to talk about what happened there or how that occurred?

The original Apple II basic,

the integer basic, we had nothing to to do with.

But then there was a floating point one where,

and I mostly worked with Woz on that.

I made it.

Let me tell this story.

And so we're getting a lot of input that people want this basic to be floating point.

And like, we're begging Woz,

please, please make this floating point.

Who's we?

How many people are in Apple?

Well, me.

We're begging Woz to make this floating point.

And he just never does it.

You know, and he wrote it by hand on paper.

And how much was the...

I think you were telling us earlier.

It was $31,000.

That Apple paid you for that.

For the floating point basic.

And I flew out to Apple.

I spent two days there getting the cassette tapes were the main ways that people stored things at the time.

And that was fun.

And so we were working together.

The schedules were uncertain.

The quality was uncertain.

The price.

When Steve first came up,

it was going to be a lot cheaper computer than it ended up being.

But that was fine.

So we made this bet that the parent time shift would be graphics interface,

in particular, that the Macintosh would make that happen,

with 128k of memory, 22k of which was for the screen buffer.

14k was for the operating system.

So it was.

14k.

Yeah, 14k.

And we were actually negotiating a deal to invest and make some commitments and things with Gil Emilio.

The next thing I knew,

Steve called me up and said,

don't worry about that negotiation with Gil Emilio.

You can just talk to me now.

And I said, wow.

How do you look at yourselves in this landscape today?

Because you are competitors in certain ways,

which is the American way, right?

We watch the commercials.

And you get annoyed at each other from time to time.

You know what?

I have to confess.

I like PC Guy better.

Yeah, he's great.

I like him.

The other guy I want to talk in the ..

The art of those commercials is not to be mean,

but it's actually for the guys to like each other.

Oh.

Thanks.

PC guy is great.

I like PC.

Not a big heart.

And in a few cases,

like the Zoom, if you go over to that group,

they think of Apple as a competitor.

They love the fact that Apple's created a gigantic market,

and they're going to try and come in and contribute something to that.

And we love them because they're all customers.

The same processor, essentially, that the Mac had.

This is one of those great ironies.

They were switching away from that processor while the Xbox 360 was adopting it.

But for good reasons, actually, in both cases.

We try and do things that way.

So that was the development system for the early people getting their software ready for the introduction of Xbox 360.

And we never ran an ad on that.

I see.

Admirable restraint.

100

That's wonderful.

101

There were hundreds of them.

102

Steve is so known for his restraint.

103

I assume you carry a tablet PC.

104

I don't know what brand it is.

105

Maybe you change them up.

106

I don't know.

107

You obviously carry a MacBook Pro,

108

I would guess, or a MacBook?

109

Yeah, well, and an iPhone.

110

And an iPhone.

111

You have one?

112

I do.

113

Right here?

114

Yes.

115

Well, he has when he took it out before.

116

Um, what, is the iPhone and are some of these other smartphones,

117

and I know you make,

118

you believe that the iPhone is much better than these other smartphones at the moment,

119

but is the, are these things,

120

aren't they really just computers in a different form factor?

121

You know, we're working on some things that I can't talk about,

122

but, again, yeah, but there used to be a saying,

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isn't it, at Apple?

124

It's going to blow us away,

125

though, when you can't talk.

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It's great.

127

There used to be a saying at Apple,

128

isn't it funny a ship that leaks from the top?

129

That's kind of like a sweater without sleeves is a vest.

130

I don't get that.

131

That was what they used to say about me when I was in my 20s.

132

I'm going to ask a more personal question.

133

We have just a minute before we're going to open up for questions.

134

What's the greatest, I'm not going to call this the Barbara Walters moment and ask you what tree you'd like to be.

135

She would love to be Barbara Walters,

136

let me just tell you.

137

No, I would not.

138

What's the greatest misunderstanding?

139

Ding.

140

Thank you, Steve.

141

About your relationship.

142

I mean, you're obviously going to go down in history books already set kind of thing.

143

But what's the greatest misunderstanding in your relationship and about each other?

144

What would you say would be this idea of cat fight,

145

this idea of which one of the many?

146

We've kept our marriage secret for over a decade now.

147

Canada.

148

That trip to Canada.

149

Was there...?

150

Generally, we were both the youngest guys in the room, right?

151

Individually or together.

152

I'm about six months older than he is,

153

but roughly the same age.

154

And now, when we're working at our respective companies,

155

I don't know about you,

156

but I'm the oldest guy in the room most of the time.

157

And that's why I love being here.

158

Happy to oblige.

159

Happy to oblige.

160

You know, I think of most things in life as either a Bob Dylan or a Beatles song.

161

But there's that one line in that one Beatles song,

162

you and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.

163

And that's clearly true here.

164

Well, you know what?

165

I think we should end it there.

166

Let's just end it there a little tear right here.

167

Thank you.

168

Thank you very much.

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“What do you think each has contributed to the computer and technology industry?” - 각자가 컴퓨터와 기술 산업에 기여한 바가 무엇이라고 생각하나요?
“I think the biggest thing was...” - 제가 생각하기에 가장 큰 것은...입니다.
“We were begging Woz, please, please make this floating point.” - 우리는 Woz에게 부탁했습니다, 제발 이 부동 소수점으로 만들어 달라고.
“I spent two days there getting the cassette tapes.” - 저는 그곳에서 두 하루를 보내며 카세트 테이프를 받았습니다.
“The schedules were uncertain.” - 일정이 불확실했습니다.

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