Shadowing Practice: Steve Jobs & Bill Gates interview 2007 - Learn English Speaking with YouTube

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The story is here.
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Episode 13 Michael
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Welcome to work here.
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The first question I was interested in asking is what you think each has contributed to the computer and technology industry,
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starting with you, Steve, for Bill and vice versa.
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I think
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that the biggest thing was Bill was really focused on software before almost anybody else had a clue
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that it was really the software.
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Bill, how about the contribution of Steve and Apple?
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Well, first I want to clarify,
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I'm not fake Steve Jobs.
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I actually looked at an Apple ad from 1978.
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It was a print ad that shows you how ancient it was.
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And it said, thousands of people have discovered the Apple computer.
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Thousands of people.
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We had some very strange ads back then.
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We had one where it was in a kitchen
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and there was a woman that looked like the wife
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and she was typing in recipes on the computer with the husband looking on approvingly in the back.
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Stuff like that.
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Most people, some people here,
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but I don't think most people know that there was actually some Microsoft software in that Apple II computer.
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Do you want to talk about what happened there or how that occurred?
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The original Apple II basic,
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the integer basic, we had nothing to to do with.
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But then there was a floating point one where,
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and I mostly worked with Woz on that.
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I made it.
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Let me tell this story.
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And so we're getting a lot of input that people want this basic to be floating point.
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And like, we're begging Woz,
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please, please make this floating point.
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Who's we?
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How many people are in Apple?
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Well, me.
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We're begging Woz to make this floating point.
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And he just never does it.
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You know, and he wrote it by hand on paper.
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And how much was the...
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I think you were telling us earlier.
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It was $31,000.
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That Apple paid you for that.
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For the floating point basic.
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And I flew out to Apple.
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I spent two days there getting the cassette tapes were the main ways that people stored things at the time.
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And that was fun.
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And so we were working together.
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The schedules were uncertain.
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The quality was uncertain.
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The price.
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When Steve first came up,
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it was going to be a lot cheaper computer than it ended up being.
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But that was fine.
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So we made this bet that the parent time shift would be graphics interface,
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in particular, that the Macintosh would make that happen,
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with 128k of memory, 22k of which was for the screen buffer.
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14k was for the operating system.
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So it was.
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14k.
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Yeah, 14k.
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And we were actually negotiating a deal to invest and make some commitments and things with Gil Emilio.
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The next thing I knew,
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Steve called me up and said,
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don't worry about that negotiation with Gil Emilio.
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You can just talk to me now.
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And I said, wow.
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How do you look at yourselves in this landscape today?
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Because you are competitors in certain ways,
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which is the American way, right?
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We watch the commercials.
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And you get annoyed at each other from time to time.
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You know what?
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I have to confess.
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I like PC Guy better.
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Yeah, he's great.
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I like him.
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The other guy I want to talk in the ..
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The art of those commercials is not to be mean,
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but it's actually for the guys to like each other.
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Oh.
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Thanks.
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PC guy is great.
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I like PC.
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Not a big heart.
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And in a few cases,
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like the Zoom, if you go over to that group,
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they think of Apple as a competitor.
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They love the fact that Apple's created a gigantic market,
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and they're going to try and come in and contribute something to that.
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And we love them because they're all customers.
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The same processor, essentially, that the Mac had.
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This is one of those great ironies.
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They were switching away from that processor while the Xbox 360 was adopting it.
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But for good reasons, actually, in both cases.
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We try and do things that way.
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So that was the development system for the early people getting their software ready for the introduction of Xbox 360.
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And we never ran an ad on that.
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I see.
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Admirable restraint.
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That's wonderful.
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There were hundreds of them.
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Steve is so known for his restraint.
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I assume you carry a tablet PC.
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I don't know what brand it is.
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Maybe you change them up.
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I don't know.
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You obviously carry a MacBook Pro,
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I would guess, or a MacBook?
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Yeah, well, and an iPhone.
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And an iPhone.
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You have one?
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I do.
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Right here?
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Yes.
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Well, he has when he took it out before.
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Um, what, is the iPhone and are some of these other smartphones,
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and I know you make,
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you believe that the iPhone is much better than these other smartphones at the moment,
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but is the, are these things,
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aren't they really just computers in a different form factor?
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You know, we're working on some things that I can't talk about,
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but, again, yeah, but there used to be a saying,
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isn't it, at Apple?
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It's going to blow us away,
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though, when you can't talk.
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It's great.
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There used to be a saying at Apple,
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isn't it funny a ship that leaks from the top?
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That's kind of like a sweater without sleeves is a vest.
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I don't get that.
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That was what they used to say about me when I was in my 20s.
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I'm going to ask a more personal question.
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We have just a minute before we're going to open up for questions.
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What's the greatest, I'm not going to call this the Barbara Walters moment and ask you what tree you'd like to be.
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She would love to be Barbara Walters,
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let me just tell you.
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No, I would not.
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What's the greatest misunderstanding?
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Ding.
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Thank you, Steve.
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About your relationship.
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I mean, you're obviously going to go down in history books already set kind of thing.
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But what's the greatest misunderstanding in your relationship and about each other?
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What would you say would be this idea of cat fight,
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this idea of which one of the many?
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We've kept our marriage secret for over a decade now.
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Canada.
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That trip to Canada.
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Was there...?
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Generally, we were both the youngest guys in the room, right?
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Individually or together.
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I'm about six months older than he is,
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but roughly the same age.
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And now, when we're working at our respective companies,
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I don't know about you,
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but I'm the oldest guy in the room most of the time.
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And that's why I love being here.
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Happy to oblige.
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Happy to oblige.
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You know, I think of most things in life as either a Bob Dylan or a Beatles song.
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But there's that one line in that one Beatles song,
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you and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.
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And that's clearly true here.
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Well, you know what?
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I think we should end it there.
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Let's just end it there a little tear right here.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.

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Why practice speaking with this video?

Practicing your English speaking skills with the Steve Jobs & Bill Gates interview from 2007 allows you to immerse yourself in the conversation of two technology visionaries. By engaging with their dialogue, you not only gain insight into their contributions to the tech industry but also enhance your speaking abilities through shadowspeak. This technique involves listening to the speakers and immediately repeating their words, which helps improve fluency, pronunciation, and intonation.

Furthermore, using a shadow speak approach with this video can boost your confidence in discussions related to technology and innovation—vital topics for anyone preparing for IELTS speaking practice. The dynamic exchanges between Jobs and Gates present an opportunity to learn how to articulate opinions and thoughts clearly, which is essential for effective communication in English.

Grammar & Expressions in Context

Throughout the interview, several grammatical structures and expressions are worth noting:

  • Past Simple Tense: Phrases like "most people didn't know" show how to discuss past events, a critical skill for recounting stories or experiences when speaking.
  • Conditional Statements: Use of "if" clauses, as in "If Woz had listened to us, he would have made it floating point," helps in expressing potential outcomes and implies a basis for discussion.
  • Reported Speech: When Gates refers to his discussions with Woz, phrases like "we were begging Woz" illustrate how to convey what others said—useful in both casual and formal dialogues.

Practicing these structures while shadowing the video can enhance your understanding and make your speech more sophisticated.

Common Pronunciation Traps

When practicing with this video, pay attention to the following tricky words and phrases that may pose pronunciation challenges:

  • "basic": Note the soft "a" sound in this two-syllable word, often mispronounced.
  • "contribution": Emphasize the third syllable correctly to avoid sounding unclear.
  • Accents and intonation: Jobs and Gates have distinct speaking styles; noticing these differences will help you adapt your own accent and intonation to speak more fluidly.

Employing a shadowing app can assist you in capturing the nuances of their speech, ensuring you sound as confident and clear as they do.

What is the Shadowing Technique?

Shadowing is a science-backed language learning technique originally developed for professional interpreter training and popularized by polyglot Dr. Alexander Arguelles. The method is simple but powerful: you listen to native English audio and immediately repeat it out loud — like a shadow following the speaker with just a 1–2 second delay. Unlike passive listening or grammar drills, shadowing forces your brain and mouth muscles to simultaneously process and reproduce real speech patterns. Research shows it significantly improves pronunciation accuracy, intonation, rhythm, connected speech, listening comprehension, and speaking fluency — making it one of the most effective methods for IELTS Speaking preparation and real-world English communication.

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