Практика Shadowing: Steve Jobs & Bill Gates interview 2007 - Изучайте разговорный английский с YouTube

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The story is here.
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Episode 13 Michael
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Welcome to work here.
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The first question I was interested in asking is what you think each has contributed to the computer and technology industry,
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starting with you, Steve, for Bill and vice versa.
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I think
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that the biggest thing was Bill was really focused on software before almost anybody else had a clue
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that it was really the software.
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Bill, how about the contribution of Steve and Apple?
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Well, first I want to clarify,
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I'm not fake Steve Jobs.
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I actually looked at an Apple ad from 1978.
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It was a print ad that shows you how ancient it was.
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And it said, thousands of people have discovered the Apple computer.
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Thousands of people.
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We had some very strange ads back then.
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We had one where it was in a kitchen
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and there was a woman that looked like the wife
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and she was typing in recipes on the computer with the husband looking on approvingly in the back.
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Stuff like that.
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Most people, some people here,
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but I don't think most people know that there was actually some Microsoft software in that Apple II computer.
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Do you want to talk about what happened there or how that occurred?
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The original Apple II basic,
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the integer basic, we had nothing to to do with.
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But then there was a floating point one where,
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and I mostly worked with Woz on that.
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I made it.
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Let me tell this story.
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And so we're getting a lot of input that people want this basic to be floating point.
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And like, we're begging Woz,
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please, please make this floating point.
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Who's we?
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How many people are in Apple?
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Well, me.
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We're begging Woz to make this floating point.
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And he just never does it.
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You know, and he wrote it by hand on paper.
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And how much was the...
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I think you were telling us earlier.
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It was $31,000.
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That Apple paid you for that.
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For the floating point basic.
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And I flew out to Apple.
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I spent two days there getting the cassette tapes were the main ways that people stored things at the time.
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And that was fun.
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And so we were working together.
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The schedules were uncertain.
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The quality was uncertain.
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The price.
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When Steve first came up,
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it was going to be a lot cheaper computer than it ended up being.
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But that was fine.
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So we made this bet that the parent time shift would be graphics interface,
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in particular, that the Macintosh would make that happen,
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with 128k of memory, 22k of which was for the screen buffer.
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14k was for the operating system.
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So it was.
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14k.
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Yeah, 14k.
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And we were actually negotiating a deal to invest and make some commitments and things with Gil Emilio.
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The next thing I knew,
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Steve called me up and said,
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don't worry about that negotiation with Gil Emilio.
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You can just talk to me now.
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And I said, wow.
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How do you look at yourselves in this landscape today?
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Because you are competitors in certain ways,
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which is the American way, right?
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We watch the commercials.
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And you get annoyed at each other from time to time.
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You know what?
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I have to confess.
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I like PC Guy better.
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Yeah, he's great.
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I like him.
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The other guy I want to talk in the ..
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The art of those commercials is not to be mean,
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but it's actually for the guys to like each other.
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Oh.
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Thanks.
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PC guy is great.
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I like PC.
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Not a big heart.
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And in a few cases,
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like the Zoom, if you go over to that group,
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they think of Apple as a competitor.
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They love the fact that Apple's created a gigantic market,
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and they're going to try and come in and contribute something to that.
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And we love them because they're all customers.
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The same processor, essentially, that the Mac had.
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This is one of those great ironies.
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They were switching away from that processor while the Xbox 360 was adopting it.
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But for good reasons, actually, in both cases.
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We try and do things that way.
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So that was the development system for the early people getting their software ready for the introduction of Xbox 360.
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And we never ran an ad on that.
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I see.
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Admirable restraint.
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That's wonderful.
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There were hundreds of them.
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Steve is so known for his restraint.
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I assume you carry a tablet PC.
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I don't know what brand it is.
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Maybe you change them up.
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I don't know.
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You obviously carry a MacBook Pro,
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I would guess, or a MacBook?
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Yeah, well, and an iPhone.
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And an iPhone.
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You have one?
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I do.
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Right here?
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Yes.
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Well, he has when he took it out before.
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Um, what, is the iPhone and are some of these other smartphones,
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and I know you make,
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you believe that the iPhone is much better than these other smartphones at the moment,
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but is the, are these things,
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aren't they really just computers in a different form factor?
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You know, we're working on some things that I can't talk about,
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but, again, yeah, but there used to be a saying,
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isn't it, at Apple?
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It's going to blow us away,
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though, when you can't talk.
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It's great.
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There used to be a saying at Apple,
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isn't it funny a ship that leaks from the top?
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That's kind of like a sweater without sleeves is a vest.
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I don't get that.
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That was what they used to say about me when I was in my 20s.
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I'm going to ask a more personal question.
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We have just a minute before we're going to open up for questions.
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What's the greatest, I'm not going to call this the Barbara Walters moment and ask you what tree you'd like to be.
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She would love to be Barbara Walters,
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let me just tell you.
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No, I would not.
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What's the greatest misunderstanding?
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Ding.
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Thank you, Steve.
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About your relationship.
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I mean, you're obviously going to go down in history books already set kind of thing.
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But what's the greatest misunderstanding in your relationship and about each other?
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What would you say would be this idea of cat fight,
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this idea of which one of the many?
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We've kept our marriage secret for over a decade now.
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Canada.
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That trip to Canada.
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Was there...?
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Generally, we were both the youngest guys in the room, right?
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Individually or together.
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I'm about six months older than he is,
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but roughly the same age.
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And now, when we're working at our respective companies,
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I don't know about you,
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but I'm the oldest guy in the room most of the time.
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And that's why I love being here.
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Happy to oblige.
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Happy to oblige.
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You know, I think of most things in life as either a Bob Dylan or a Beatles song.
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But there's that one line in that one Beatles song,
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you and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead.
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And that's clearly true here.
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Well, you know what?
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I think we should end it there.
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Let's just end it there a little tear right here.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.

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