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We have obviously been leading worship since we were little.

When did you start leading worship?

I was 10 in our little kids' room.

Yeah, it's really similar.

I think I was 10 or 12.

And just our whole lives, we've led worship in home groups and just about every space you could get.

You want to know my first worship list?

I do.

John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt.

Yep.

because I knew everyone would sing it.

Yeah.

But my mom's like, that's a song about beer.

So, and then my other one was B-I-N-G-O because I knew all the kids would sing it.

And she's like, what about like, Jesus loves me?

Or I love you, Lord, or something.

My first solo was when I was five.

And I sing the Arky Arky.

The Lord said to Noah, there's gonna be a floody, floody Lord.

It was fire.

Lots of people got saved.

They're like, wow, she's gonna go places.

This one.

A women's aglow meeting.

Women's aglow.

I remember that.

Yeah.

So we have both just loved leading worship our whole lives

and will probably tell the day we die until someone peels us off of a stage and goes, I think you're done now.

So, but I'm going to be raptured and just Enoch and go home.

So I'm not going to even die.

Yeah, we'll go together.

I told Brian, him and I are going to go like the notebook, just gone the same.

But we're talking about worship leading.

I know.

So don't watch that movie.

There's a bad scene.

Fast forward it.

let's start from practical

so you are getting ready to lead worship what do you

do what what's your practice of of starting out like the day of yeah like

because I feel like gearing up for a worship set you

know there's like days of it I feel like just of like coming for Sunday night you know we're preparing

that for that a few weeks out of just starting to intercede into Lord What do you want to do?

What should we be focused on that night?

What's your heart for the people in the room that night?

So that's like practical leading up to an event.

Cody and I also will just sit and work on set lists a few weeks out, and then we have to usually revisit it a few times.

And then honestly, the morning of on Sunday, I woke up and spent time with the Lord, and I changed two songs that I was going to do.

So, you know, nothing's ever set in stone.

But, like, practically, I think just before, you know, day of, repenting of sin.

Right.

Honestly, just, Lord, is there anything that's grieved your spirit that I am aware of or I'm not aware of?

And just really making sure I'm coming with clean hands

and a pure heart and doing that as much as I know how.

And then seeking the Lord for that night.

Like, what's your heart?

What do you want to do?

and also just how do you how do i minister to the lord i'm really really wanting to search

that out right now like what does

that really mean to minister to the lord and i want to do

that so yeah that's a few things you know it is a an interesting posture as a worship leader

because you know your normal everyday mundane life with god is just you

and god or what he's saying to do you know communicate to other people

or whatnot but but leading is such a pastoral position

so I've seen worship leaders who just stand on the stage and just minister to the Lord.

And the whole thing is they're right here, but they forget to bring the people with them.

And so I don't know what it is like for you, but for me, it definitely is kind of a back and forth with just me and him.

And then bringing, how are we doing?

What are you doing?

And it's a back and forth instead of a, and then the opposite.

I've seen people that are just always connected to the room and eyes are always open.

And you're like, he's here too.

So, you know, it's an interesting dance, but I think that there's beauty in both.

Practically for me, I do a vocal warm-up that is a 10-minute vocal warm-up.

She does, every time.

It makes everyone on my team crazy.

They can all do the vocal warm-up with me.

But some of our friends don't warm-up at all.

Brooke doesn't warm-up.

So really, I think it's probably dependent on learning your voice.

I've worked with a vocal coach multiple times.

and I do just a 10-minute simple vocal warm-up.

On a practical side, if we have a Sunday set, we have a group text

that starts on Thursday for our Sunday set where we are usually working with a leader and then also a co-leader.

And just what songs are you feeling?

What themes are you feeling?

And then, you know, what she said, we kind of just shake it down.

And then once we're in the set, we really leave it flexible.

If there is a song or a moment that we feel we're supposed to do, I don't know what it is for you guys,

but in the moment, you have a couple options for

if the band isn't rehearsed on the song that you've prepared in the set.

A great idea, unless someone can play by ear like a boss, is to just bring it down and just actually do the song a cappella.

oftentimes if the band tries to catch up live it can be real wild

and pretty distracting and so I highly recommend oftentimes you'll watch our guys

if we go into a song spontaneously our MD will communicate the chords to the rest of the guys

and they'll come in when they're in unison

and are on the same page with what chords to play

but usually safer to err on the side of just do it acapella until everybody has their act together

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and if they can't get it together than just let it be acapella.

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Do you have any thoughts on this?

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No, that happened literally last night, because no one knew I was going to go into nothing else.

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And Jaylee's like, three, one, or whatever the numbers are.

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And I was like, oh, yeah, I probably should have told them I might do that.

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I actually went over there to tell him.

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And then Paul was like, Carrie's going to do first love.

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And I was like, ah.

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And I just had to walk back across the stage.

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Because I was about to tell him, I think I want to do nothing else instead of first love.

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But then Paul said I was going to do first love like

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so then i'm to myself i'm like well i'll just go into nothing else

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but i didn't tell anyone else so and it was

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so beautiful it's fine it was all in my mind it

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was you know i usually have a microphone i can tell

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the band like a talkback i love talkbacks um just for those moments you know

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but they they're

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so good though they can just they can do it yeah

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that's a lot of years yeah um i I don't have a talk back because it would not go well for me.

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I would say very wild things.

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And so I don't trust myself.

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I have been known to put my taco order in.

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Like, hey, can you guys text Ashley and tell her I want two tacos after this is over?

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People are like, yes, Lord, what?

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Tacos?

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Well, like I forgot to put my food order in and everyone else did.

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I'm like, oh, yeah, I forgot to tell her what I wanted.

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The inside track.

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Okay, so worship leading wise, when you're building your set, talk me through that.

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Like, do you have kind of a roadmap of where you start, where you end?

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What are your thoughts or any kind of practicals around set list?

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That's a good question.

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Thankfully, I'm married to my MD, so.

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Very wise.

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It's nice.

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It's a little spoiling because he does the details and I just stick with what I'm feeling.

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I think we're similar with that.

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It's like if I'm feeling a song, that's all I know.

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And then Cody works out the other stuff.

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Keys for me, I'm always like, what key?

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And that's my biggest thing is what key will I be in?

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Can I get to these other things I'm feeling?

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And I usually will have Cody put, if we're going to be in the key of B, what are the B songs I can flow into in case I'm not ready to move on?

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just because I don't play anything that's helpful for me

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because I can't just like make everyone else be quiet

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and I can just be alone yeah

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so I have to have like those tools

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but my I'm more like theme focused what am I feeling in my spirit what song will

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that be and then what other like

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back pocket songs can I have ready yeah that's helpful for me okay so talk me through

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hand signals or communication especially

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because you don't play what my bridge it's like spider-man spider-man

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oh a little spidey bridge okay i don't know why it

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was from christ for the nations a long time ago like the worship leader there did bridge um

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and so it just stuck so i like it i don't know it's very confusing

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because chorus is with a thumb out and bridge is no thumb

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but it often gets very crazy

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when we're like you know whirling around they're like i don't know what the gang sign you're throwing right now

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but brian like lifts his leg we got the bands are truly incredible

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because they have they learn the worship leaders every cody like

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lifts the bridge of his guitar yeah who knows what it

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all is minor chorus this is the top i just start patting my head

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and yeah bridge that's my favorite one i just thought you were like throwing like rock

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and roll signs i was like yeah oh i have one other one that's helpful

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if i'm in a moment

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that i don't want the band to build you know sometimes they start building

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so much we're already we're gonna go through the rafters

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and there's nowhere else to go um

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or i just i really love to help uh sometimes just build a tension in the room

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and just keep singing um you know a phrase over

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and over and over almost too long like awkward

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because I think sometimes our congregations

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or the room gets um kind of familiar with where they think we're gonna go and they disengage

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and and so sometimes I just awkwardly want to like just just shake it up and like just

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harp on something until we like act like oh she really wants me to sing

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that like um after 10 minutes but no I'll I'll after

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or I'll do this with the band and it just means stir the pot

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and stay right where you are don't build it yet

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and then sometimes I'm like let's go and

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so it's like yeah just helps you have some kind of way to communicate the dynamics of what you're feeling.

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Yeah.

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Oftentimes, there are kind of two concepts.

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Worship leader-led band or band-led worship leader, where they're calling the shots versus you're calling the shots.

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And neither one are bad, but I think what we've found to really be a dream is a go back and forth of communication.

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and so our MD will even ask us like you know um uh bridge

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or you know

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but he's oftentimes waiting for us to do it we don't

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we don't do a lot of set arrangements we do do

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some sometimes like I'm gonna do this song just probably just like this um

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but we definitely like to practice the song

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and then once we get into the moment not program tracks

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and make things so complicated that we can't flow

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or do a bridge a second time

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so you don't want you never want tracks to limit you to what you're supposed to do in the room

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or anything you're doing creatively behind the scenes never let

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that limit what the holy spirit wants to do and

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if you can't be good enough as a team to get your

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so locked and loaded don't over complicate it you'll just distract it's not about perfection

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but but it really is important that you um that it's smooth

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and you always prefer the fluidity of of where the Holy

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Spirit wants to go over being locked into an arrangement or XYZ.

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Okay, so for you, a set list has been prepared.

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The only other thing I would add is I drink regular water, and I also drink coconut water, massively organic.

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Coconut water with no sugar is really great at hydrating.

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It's actually even a little bit better for you than just water. Or tea.

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I love that even more than hot tea.

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some teas will dry my voice out

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certain spring water dries my voice out so I have to be careful with that too but that's always amazing

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do you like practical stuff? are you guys like, please move on you guys probably have some amazing things too

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just whatever works for you your voice is different than your

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neighbor's voice some people can eat right before they sing I can't,

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I burp so it's like four hours I don't want to be like,

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you know, singing through a weird it's a great practical i usually don't eat like two

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or three hours before which is not great for the waistline to eat these late night meals

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but here we are you know then you're

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so hungry at the end of the night yeah i usually

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try to eat right after worship i'm usually sitting right in the front row during the sermon eating

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so you'll find me there it's wise great practical um

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so set list vocal prep band direction um again back to

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the the signaling the team with hand signals just it's probably really simple to to just define what

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that is for you and your team we do this for the top

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or reverse um chorus bridge um

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and we're making sure you often see me i'll i'll look around to the whole team to make sure

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that they they know oftentimes where we're going um because

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if in worship sometimes they can't see you and your hand signal

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so oftentimes if i'm going to make a change especially an unexpected change.

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I will look at every single team member to make sure that they know where we're going.

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So as much communication as you can have back and forth with the band, where again that they're not leading you.

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I think the goal ultimately is that the worship leader leads.

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But sometimes, I don't know about you, but I've gotten into a spot where I don't know how to end a song.

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You know how like those songs at the end they just keep going like this needs to end somehow

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but i don't know how to get out of this um i'll just look at at my md like wide-eyed

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and he'll be like right right and bring it down you know

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so because you can't be on the mic

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and bring it down you know and distract everyone

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so i'll give him really weird eyes um we had an

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md one time it was before they had like the extra

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cool ways of doing the he had to have two mics

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So he yelled for the band in the wrong mic because he also sang with me.

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And so he's like, we're going to the bridge!

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And the whole room was like, oh, bridge, bridge, okay.

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It was awesome.

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We had a terribly perfect moment one time.

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Chris Kealala was our drummer, and he started playing with us when he was 13 years old.

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Chris started playing drums and he is the original OG with us.

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We were in this together and he was on the drums and there are two songs called Let Everything That Has Breath.

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And one song is let everything that has breath.

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It's like this really fast dancey praise song.

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And one is this like super emo like let everything that has breath praise the Lord.

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And so the set was like so, so beautiful and powerful

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and it gets kind of down to the end of the set, and it's like this just super emo, broody, beautiful moment.

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And Brian turns around to Chris and goes, let everything that has breath.

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And Chris was like, all right.

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And the fast one has this crazy, ba-da-ba-ba-ba-ba, like crazy.

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And Brian just took his guitar and turned around and went, wrong song, so sorry, wrong song.

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Just apologize.

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We have done so much.

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Oh my gosh, we should tell more fun stories.

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This will be good.

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We, this one time right over here, back in the day, for whatever ungodly reason, we stapled our set list together.

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Never do that.

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Yeah, girl.

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And so, of course, like you rip apart the set list because staples are stupid in a set list.

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You have to flip, you know, anyway.

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So I, you know, the staple goes.

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Wait, how many songs did you have if you had to have a stapler?

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Girl, this is Bevel.

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Hello.

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We're ready for anything, you know?

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Back in the day, it's actually Brian hurt his shoulder.

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His whole entire shoulder kind of like dislocates.

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It's really gross.

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But we would do like a one or two hour worship set, and they would bring us back up, and we'd do two hours, sometimes three hours of ministry.

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We don't do that anymore because that's stupid. But we learned.

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So, yeah, we had to be ready for anything.

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But I ripped the set list, the staple, went God knows where,

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and I found that staple in worship as I'm stomping around on the stage and it went right into my heel

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and blood is dripping from my stage, from my heel and I'm like, and it's Bethel so people are like, yes Lord, more Lord.

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And I was like, no. So people often ask,

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they're like, are you barefoot because it's holy ground?

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And I'd love to say that, but actually it's just, I get really sweaty and shoes are uncomfortable.

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And this is just better and easier.

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So, but yeah, we don't do staples anymore here.

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There will be blood.

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There was blood.

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There's power in the blood.

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This is a funny story.

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Yes, tell me.

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When I first started like traveling a little bit more out of the church where I was, early 20s, we didn't have like any money.

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We always did like a van, but for some reason this one time somebody was letting us use their tour bus.

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And so we were like, yeah, that's so cool.

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So we borrowed this tour bus, and it was super duper old.

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And it was, I don't even remember, probably 1967 bus.

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Well, the bus driver didn't empty the toilet.

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And we were going to an event that was outside in a parking lot.

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that was a little bit of a hill.

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Like, and this, like, the people were down lower than where we were,

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and the bus was at the top of the hill.

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And for whatever reason, the bus, like, relieved itself.

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Talk about a fragrance.

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It was the most disgusting event I've ever been to.

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And it was the most foul-smelling experience in worship.

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It was like two hours.

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It was hot.

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It was in Texas.

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So, yeah, it was great.

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I don't know why I shared that one, but it's like one of my funniest memories because I just like, I felt so bad for the people.

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Trying to worship and hold our nose.

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Oh, my gosh.

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Yeah, we've done, we've just had about every wild thing you can happen.

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We, it's an entire session waiting to happen to talk about the crazy of here.

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But, okay, let's talk about some more practical things.

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Let's talk about spontaneous, you know, even just to break down those words.

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What's spontaneous versus prophetic?

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You know, at the end of the day, it's a spontaneous moment that you're always listening for what God's saying.

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You know, and obviously we're hearing that for the songs and which songs we're singing.

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And I want to encourage you at the top to know that not every set needs a spontaneous moment.

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I just want to free you up with that, that you don't need one in every single set.

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If it's the Lord, great.

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If it's beautiful, but you can have a powerful 10-minute set that does not have a spontaneous moment.

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So never feel like you need to force it.

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Another thing that I would recommend is, you know, I don't know what your situation is, but we almost always co-lead where there's two, three, four, sometimes five of us up here.

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I love it.

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It's my favorite.

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But we definitely have an awkward kind of a dance sometimes with, like, are you singing a song or me?

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Or we're not all five singing something because there's only so many minutes in the set.

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But we kind of establish there's main leader and then there's co-leader and then there's BGV usually.

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Most of the time the BGV is probably not going to sing a spontaneous song in this set just

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because they're going to leave it to the main or the co-lead.

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But we are always watching them and we are also watching the band

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because oftentimes the moment the Lord wants to do is not even vocal it's through an instrument

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and so we're just always listening to kind of what's happening in the band

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and keeping an eye on each other

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but we have something we call follow the point

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or honor the point it's a hunting reference but

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if somebody on the team leans into a moment

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or a theme instead of checking out

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or stepping back we we want to echo

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or harmonize what they're doing the word harmony actually means to partner with an echo

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so um be mindful in those moments

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if someone steps into a prophetic moment um

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and even in a spontaneous moment you know you you want to oftentimes have a hook come from

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that jim saying like something that the crowd can sing

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so it's not just you singing for 15 minutes um

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that can be the lord sometimes but it's few and far between

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but we always be listening for like what's the thing

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that they can also sing with you back what's the phrase

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so when you

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when you get a strong theme from the lord um to

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circle the back do you have any thoughts on spontaneous singing yeah

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because you can always a lot of times too to circle

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back to whatever song you've come out of to get the

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room singing again is helpful as well right you know circling back to

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that yeah no i love that i think i think if you do spontaneous at the end of every single song, I think it can lose its potency.

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And the people maybe don't even want to lean in on that as much anymore.

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So we try to be real strategic on, Lord, what would be the best spot of the night to just flow?

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And then, of course, if you feel something in the Holy Spirit, you always follow that.

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And space is really beautiful, too.

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Just letting people not have to be sung to, but just like allowing space.

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Just being sensitive to that.

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It's not as awkward in the room as you think it is.

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It's like really sweet for people to just stand in the presence of the Lord and just kind of quiet,

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like create those moments too that are just, yeah.

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Yeah, beautiful um the the other spontaneous thing

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that we try to just be mindful of is to keep

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a pulse on the timing of it you know oftentimes as worship leaders

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when you're up here you can get lost in a moment

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which obviously is the goal for us to just be you

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know really in in a lost moment with the lord

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but you do need to remember again you're checking in with the clock you're checking you're you're still on earth

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so you have one foot in heaven and one foot in earth

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and you've watched worship leaders that they lift off and they're gone

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and you're like nice knowing you see you goodbye now goodbye

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you know like we stop these moments I won't mention names

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but I'd have to like pull her down from heaven be like okay

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but you're here now too so be here um

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so just being mindful of that that

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that you are you know you're pastoring you're shepherding

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and you're bringing them along with you um and uh I think

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that in a in spontaneous moment

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or in a song be really mindful of how many times you say the same phrase

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because it can be really um it can be powerful in some moments

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if you feel like it's the lord lean into it like carrie was saying like

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if you're like no i need to i do need to keep singing this

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but if you're not if you don't know for sure

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that you should keep singing the same chorus

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if you don't know for sure

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that you should keep singing the same line in a spontaneous maybe wait like carrie's saying

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and maybe even pause for a second let it have a moment

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and then you can always come back to it instead of

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having to just keep saying the same thing 75 times it can get really old

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so even just giving a little bit of a breath so

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that you could pick it back up

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when i was talking about themes earlier coming into a night

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or a set list with just whatever the theme is from the holy spirit usually

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that theme is what kind of happens in those prophetic spontaneous

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moments it's it's kind of what is released in the room if that makes sense So it's me leaning in,

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okay, like, for instance, like the blood.

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If it's like the Lord's like, I really want, I want my, like, I want you to focus on my blood, the power of my blood.

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Then before that set, I will really just go and read scripture

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and just remind my own spirit of the power of the blood.

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So I'm singing scripture more than I'm singing my own interpretation of his blood.

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Does that make sense?

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and honestly what's in you is going to come out of you

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so the depth of our history with the lord the more easily it's going to just flow

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when it's time sometimes i go into stuff

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that i'm like whoa i did not see it going

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that direction but it's just it's just hearing the holy spirit history with the Lord.

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Yeah, if that makes sense.

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Something in worship that has really helped us and built the worship culture

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that we have here is just some really simple verbal guidance

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like the Bible says sing a new song to the Lord you know

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and I think it says it like at least nine times

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in the Bible sing a new song to the Lord oftentimes especially in cultures

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that wouldn't be like something here that's you know developed

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and mature and years and years of worship teaching

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and leading maybe you're a place that's like newer to this

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or hungry for this or scared of this

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and your pastor might just want you to sing a couple safe songs

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and be done like the presence of god can show up there you're good but you also have to build trust

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with the leader and but oftentimes a great helpful pastoral tip is to say something scriptural

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the bible says sing a new song to the lord let's

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the bible says lift your hands let's lift our hands

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so just some simple you're not trying to pass room

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or teach them and i don't really even love talking a lot in worship if i'm

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if i'm talking about my preference um although i've had some powerful moments with it i don't recommend it

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but often just say let's lift our hands together just

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that simple coaching often even gives permission for a room

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that would maybe feel differently of some people would probably be fine with it

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and some people be like are we okay with that here

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and just giving that simple let's the bible says just lift our hands just lift your hands

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And you'll just watch a room really release.

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So just be being mindful of that.

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The next thing I want to talk about is authority.

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And I love this about you because some people just sing a song

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and some people mean every word of the song they sing.

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And I love that about you is you only sing songs that you believe every word and it really translates.

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And so talk to me about that.

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How do you feel like you've gained authority in worship?

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You have such a purity and a sweetness, but you have such a confidence in your walk with God

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that truly translates in your real life that when you get up here, it's just an overflow.

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Oh, man.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, it's true.

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I mean, I'm just, I feel like I'm living it.

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I mean, you know, like I'm a worshiper, And I find that when I'm going through stuff in my own life,

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which we all are, I'm in the word and I'm in worship to get me through it.

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I'm not numbing out on Netflix.

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I'm not, I'm just, I'm careful with stewarding the season and letting the Lord meet me in that place.

449

Because I've just watched him do it time and time again.

450

of it being intentional that, you know, he's in control.

451

So I'm like, what are you wanting to do in my life through this?

452

Um, and so I think when I get up to lead, it's, it's just like, I've been in that song.

453

I usually lead the songs that I'm living out.

454

It's like what I want to lead.

455

Uh, if someone asks me to lead a different song, I'm like, I need to sit with

456

that for a minute to make sure it comes out of my bones

457

and and I'm not just like I don't know just fulfilling a task you know what I mean

458

and I've had to do that I remember being in um you know there's different seasons

459

that we're going to be in

460

so some of us in this room a lot of you

461

are probably in season a season where you're serving what your

462

pastor is asking you to do on weekends a lot of times

463

and I've been in that season and the Lord blesses

464

and honors that so I think if there's you know songs

465

that you don't connect with ask the holy spirit to help you start connecting with

466

that pray that song sit in scripture with

467

that song with the truth of the word of god in

468

that song and but yeah i'm just

469

so desperate for his presence i'm like i told i told hannah yesterday they asked me to jump up

470

and sing even though i walk with her

471

and i was like i said this song is really special to me

472

because this last year we went through some really tough things

473

and um i was in a season where i just started running

474

because it was like my i felt really overwhelmed with a lot of things i

475

if i felt like if i turned on worship music in my ears

476

and just started sprinting i just felt better

477

and i would i would sprint even though i walk

478

and i was like my neighbors were probably like man who

479

is she fighting like we both know who had said fight

480

because i would like sing it and like run

481

and just declare i live out in the country

482

so they may not have heard me but

483

if they did they're like wow she's like angry

484

but i mean yeah i'm just sitting you're probably the same like i'm sitting with these i'm a diehard worshiper

485

and um it's it's in my bones i wanted to say

486

something about bones can i just go there for one second

487

when jen asked if i would jump up with her in this

488

i um i've been in second kings

489

and i was super moved the other day in second kings 13 21 it talks about

490

when elisha dies and they bury him and then the scripture right after

491

that talks about this man that had died

492

and they were taking him out to bury him

493

and these this group of raiders were headed toward them

494

and uh such the bible is so funny

495

because it's like random information all of a sudden it's like every spring the moabite raiders would come

496

and the people were afraid and it's like i want to know more about what

497

that means but anyway it's like elisha died lisa harper i should yes actually i will elisha died

498

and was buried and then it's like and it was springtime

499

and the moabite raiders were you know and

500

so they have this dead man and they get scared and

501

so they throw him into Elisha's tomb and they run for their lives.

502

And it says, you probably know this, but it says the dead man hit Elisha's bones and came back to life.

503

And I was, I've just been so moved.

504

I'm like, Lord, what's in my bones and is what is in my bones?

505

Will it affect other people and bring them back to life?

506

And so I'm just so, I want to make sure what I'm putting into my spirit is bringing health to my bones.

507

You know, because even David said when he was not confessing his sin before the Lord that his bones were wasting away.

508

And so it's just so important.

509

I think if you're not experiencing, let me put it this way.

510

Let the Lord heal your bones so that when you're leading, there's just authority because what's going on in your personal life is breakthrough.

511

And then he'll handle the room.

512

Just have this walk with the Lord where you're letting him do the things and work out the things, meet you in the pain and meet you in the trauma, meet you in the disappointment,

513

the hard conversations, the submitting to your pastor, the leading of your team, the stuff in your family with your husband, with your children, with all of it.

514

Let the Lord meet you there.

515

Get your heart before the Lord where you need it to be.

516

And then when you step up to lead, it's going to come from an overflow of relationship.

517

and it's going to bring life to other people because it's you're having life in your own bones so yeah

518

absolutely yes spider-man power face

519

crush um you know the the thing about i think singing spontaneously is is right along with that

520

same theme of people like how do you how do you

521

grow in it practically how do you grow in singing spontaneously

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i think the cutest example ever is we tell our team to practice singing

523

other lyrics to a song you know really well like here

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i am to worship you know we're all at worship school you know it's

525

so silly to do it but

526

if you can actually get your brain to get out of the way

527

so that you can you are so you can sing anything to anything

528

and it could happen so practically so practically just even on an instrumental

529

or or just play chords of a song that you know

530

so well and just practice singing um whatever you feel like the lord is leading you to sing

531

and and learn melody and learn harmony

532

and even with singing harmony um don't lock in necessarily to one harmony like be flexible

533

and movable to what note the lord wants you to sing And that comes with a lot of wrong notes.

534

But man, if you can err on the side of Lord, I want you to speak to me

535

and I want to hear what you're doing so much that I follow you even at the risk of me looking stupid.

536

I'll follow you.

537

I'll flow with you.

538

Wait till you hear Susie's session.

539

I think it's tomorrow.

540

You're not ready.

541

She just taught me to flow like nobody.

542

The freedom that she walks in is bonkers.

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but with spontaneity god wants like carrie said everything that you do

544

and say to be an overflow from your life and so

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if you want to practice you know all the practical things of singing a song that's great

546

but to practice being spontaneous

547

and to hear what the lord is saying that's what it

548

is at the end of the day is you want to get good at hearing god's voice

549

and so ask god say god speak to me

550

and i'll do whatever you say lord speak to me

551

and give me the courage to to do that in my normal life.

552

When singing spontaneously really came alive for me, it was after a season where God had taught me in everyday mundane stuff to listen to his voice of,

553

tell this person that, or go do this.

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And I would just say, Lord, just tell me what you're saying and give me the courage to obey it.

555

So practice in your normal everyday life, both singing and also hearing the voice of God so that when you get up here,

556

you're not practicing doing anything necessarily.

557

You're doing it out of an overflow from your life.

558

And we also tell our teams, we want you to focus on being courageous and following God way more than we want you to focus on messing up.

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So if you can step over that line of the fear of man that you have practiced, you put in the hours,

560

you're living the life, and then you get up here and it's just an overflow filled with the courage of God.

561

Man, powerful, powerful things can happen.

562

um okay let's talk about um actually

563

when we're singing the songs uh there's a written melody

564

and harmony and chorus and all this the song is if we're gonna say just say um say we're gonna sing

565

i don't know what first love which we sang yesterday twice

566

which i loved um makes me cry

567

when you're singing a song that's already established talk to me about like your process in it, like how you change it or make it your own,

568

or if you've written it versus someone else's song that you're singing.

569

Do you have any thoughts about that?

570

Like for example, she said, I don't think I understand.

571

It's the three o'clock lol.

572

Yeah, yeah.

573

Okay, so I'll say a thought then, and then we'll see if something sparks for you.

574

Something for me that I want to encourage you to avoid doing is changing the melody of a song you didn't write.

575

This has sometimes been popular in recent days, and I just would put back to you,

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would you want someone to change your song?

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And also, it's illegal, so two for one.

578

There is definitely creative flow when you're doing someone else's song, when you're leading someone else's song.

579

I would highly recommend you, as a worship leader, to sing the melody of the song in a congregation.

580

What we're doing up here this week with you is very

581

different than what we would do in a local Sunday congregation because we're all on the same page.

582

We have been trained.

583

We went from eating baby food in the spirit and worship to now we're ready for steak.

584

But the congregations you're leading in worship are some people are coming and they don't know Jesus.

585

You have children in the room.

586

You've got all walks of life.

587

So you're leading worship to a very diverse crowd of where they're at and you need to meet them there.

588

So some people that are coming there, the song that you're so tired of

589

and you want to change it up live to make it cool and fun and feel fresh, half the room don't even know your song.

590

So you've got to remember who's in your room and who you're leading for.

591

If you're leading for a home group and they all know the song, great, that's very different.

592

But being mindful of who you're leading and how you're leading them is really important.

593

And so, do you have any thoughts on that?

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No, that's very good.

595

She said, say la, okay.

596

Say la, say less.

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Okay, Annie, is there anything standing out for you before we let Q&A happen?

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No, let's do Q&A.

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Okay, if you have a question, where's Steph?

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Steph's gonna grab the mic.

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If you have a question, you can actually come right over here and line up.

602

Heather, will you give everybody a wave?

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This is my best friend, Heather, everybody.

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Nobody like her in the world.

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And I like her shirt.

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I think you should just talk about worship hat on, worship hat off.

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Just mention that one.

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Okay.

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So Bill Johnson, who's very wonderful, has corrected me in my life more times than I can count.

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And I'm very thankful for it because I'd be weirder than I am.

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and one of those times we were driving to a conference

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in Nashville it was probably in like it was probably 23 years ago now

613

and we were driving to conference and I was a new mom

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and I'd had a long day and I was exhausted

615

and I was grumbling kind of preparing my heart for worship

616

and I was like mommy hat off worship hat on you know just being stupid

617

and Bill leaned toward me And he just said, well, the problem is, is the worship hat should have never come off.

618

Shot to the heart.

619

So it changed my life, and it really gave me a different perspective on this is not worship.

620

This is part of it, but your whole life is worship.

621

The hidden times that only God sees you changing your baby's diaper, going to work, serving, everything

622

that you do in all your life is worship unto him not just um these moments

623

that we have here by by any means

624

so thank you bestie go ahead steph all right this is

625

going to be a quick packed powerful q a rapid fire

626

questions hi thank you a good segue from what you were

627

just talking about for raising your kids in worship do you

628

have any specific tools i just had a baby like six weeks ago.

629

So like raising up your kids into worship.

630

She said you have more kids.

631

You're doing a bad job.

632

I think that for me, we try to get them in the room when worship's happening, getting them into the presence of God.

633

Growing up, you know, they listen to worship music when they're going to sleep at night.

634

And oftentimes we have worship in the house.

635

But we are in this house actually a lot.

636

And so it is not convenient when you have kids to get them in the room.

637

It is a lot.

638

We tell our team, man, anything you can do, we'll help you with your babies.

639

Just get your babies even in the room where God's presence is happening.

640

Another thing for me as a mom is I've tried to

641

always take my kids around the world to different moves of God

642

or on trips with us so they can experience the presence of God in other cultures and denominations and see God there. So yeah, he's here she had our baby's here

643

so yeah that's that's mine do you have any thoughts

644

or you want to that's great okay good we'll do rapid

645

fire um how do you guys balance like the familiar with

646

introducing new songs great yeah i think just uh being practical with your church not overwhelming them with new songs

647

and um you know probably works differently for different congregations but um

648

just yeah I don't even know what's new to you is probably not new to them

649

so we really try in our sets to only do a

650

new song like I'm talking past like year to five years

651

like a new song like one of them maybe two of

652

them per set again the goal of corporate worship is

653

that we sing together and

654

so oftentimes you know those are just the best songs to choose

655

but if you really feel a song you know to do it then that's that's great just be really mindful

656

that probably most of songs you're doing are going to be pretty new to a lot of people.

657

So, please be mindful.

658

So, my question is, how do you discern from a Holy Spirit, like, spontaneous moment versus a moment that could just be, like, an attention moment, if that makes sense?

659

You know, I think that Jesus wants you to focus more on what he's saying than being distracted on what something isn't.

660

And so, don't stress on it too much.

661

If it's good, and the message that you're feeling

662

or what you're supposed to sing is something that is good and it lines up with the word, it doesn't have to be like five minutes long.

663

It could be one phrase.

664

I've had an encounter with the Lord where someone sings, Jesus loves me spontaneously in a moment that was absolutely the song of the moment.

665

So I would say don't worry about it.

666

If you're under submission, under leadership, have an agreement that like, hey, we're gonna risk and practice and try together.

667

We're gonna experiment and try, especially with your lead pastor have a relationship with your lead pastor

668

and say hey can we work together

669

and can you talk to me about how this made you feel

670

or this is a you know you want to lead the

671

service at church as one big inclusive moment it's not just like worship

672

and preaching and so you know be talking with them and

673

and in communication but don't worry about it just go for it and

674

and focus more on what you're supposed to do than how

675

it's going to go all right now this is probably something you guys would never have to worry about

676

so after you've done the honey and the lemon

677

and the coconut water and you get out there

678

and you god's anointed you and you're ready to go

679

and then your voice cracks do you just keep going like

680

it was intentional like yeah lord i'm just feeling it you

681

just like keep singing through it how do you handle

682

that without being embarrassed you just sing through it uh

683

and just come out of the fear of man yeah you

684

know you're we're gonna to mess it up we're gonna hit some funny notes

685

and some things but just not letting the enemy harp on

686

that in your life too much I got up last night

687

and I think it was the smoke from the fires the real actual smoke in here

688

and my voice was so dry I couldn't get to the coconut water

689

and I just was like oh well

690

and I felt it like I felt scratchy I felt

691

but I just sang through it and you have to have great song guys too

692

that make it sound really really nice put

693

that extra anointed love on there that's just call it the anointing button i'm like turn it up turn

694

that up back there please the echoey stuff you do the reverb please give

695

that to me thank you just do your best don't don't stress about how it's how it is

696

or how it's just do your best and

697

if you can't hit a note

698

and your voice isn't where it's at sing around it

699

or don't sing it at all or my favorite sing it out Hi,

700

I guess my question that I've been wondering if you have any wisdom to give light to is

701

whenever you step into a church culture,

702

how do you balance like being all things to those people but also bringing the heavenly culture and stuff like that?

703

Before we answer this, I just want to stop because you are precious.

704

What's your name?

705

Erin.

706

Erin.

707

Extend your hands to Erin.

708

Lord, we just bless Erin.

709

There's something special in your life, girly.

710

Lord, we just say yes and amen to what you're doing in her and through her, and I just, I ask you that you'd show yourself to her, Lord.

711

So profoundly powerful that you'd show your face, your every side, every aspect of who you are, that you would just be known to her, Lord, that she would see you and know you.

712

We just bless Erin in Jesus' name.

713

okay i don't know what your question was

714

but you're special what was our question what was the question again sorry i was just wondering like

715

if you have wisdom for like when you step into a church culture

716

and it's very set in stone like how do you be all things to those people

717

but also like bring down the heavenly yeah amazing uh longevity

718

i mean like the more you um okay hold on let me let me think i'm

719

so thankful for the holy spirit

720

and um i always have to just remember i'm there to serve to serve serve what's needed in the room

721

because some rooms are just like they just they're not used to flowing

722

that would be kind of awkward for them

723

and just knowing the room you're stepping in where did you

724

go where she is just knowing um what room you're going into even denomination and serve it.

725

Don't judge it.

726

Don't be negative about it.

727

Don't try to change it.

728

Just serve it.

729

Serve the Lord in the space that you've been entrusted to walk into and just have a humility and just, you know what I mean?

730

If you've been invited somewhere or you serve on the weekend and you have 13 minutes, maybe like what John Wilds was saying yesterday, if you were in his class,

731

just serve and be a good steward of the time the Lord's allowed you to have.

732

Keep your heart soft before the Lord and he'll show up for those people.

733

He will show up.

734

He doesn't need, he can do it in two seconds.

735

13 minutes might be a lot of time for somebody to worship because they've never, ever done it.

736

So just serve.

737

That's all I can really say.

738

And also you can begin to intercede

739

and pray into the culture of your house and ask the Lord to come and turn the ship.

740

But let me tell you something.

741

If you've ever been on a cruise ship on a big, big, big, big, big boat, which is the church, many, many church denominations are a big boat,

742

to pray into a culture like that for the Holy Spirit to shift it might take a lot of time.

743

And so don't go by what you see.

744

Go by what you know he's saying.

745

And just continue to serve,

746

intercede for your church, and just sprinkle in those little culture moments you're longing for in little doses.

747

And then watch the Lord begin to, like, help them understand, oh, I can wait in the presence of the Lord.

748

This isn't awkward.

749

You know, just teaching them, not talking down at them, but, like, just, like, teaching, coaching.

750

Anyway, yeah.

751

Great.

752

Awesome.

753

Similar to how Paul talks about decency and order, like when people are giving like gifts

754

and have you know things to share how do you guys

755

sorry hold on can you hear her can you turn her

756

up real quick sorry I can talk louder there we go

757

there we go we got um how Paul talks about like decency

758

and order in the church and Ephesians

759

when people are like there's multiple people trying to share something how do you guys handle

760

that during spontaneous worship given the fact that you guys have co-leaders

761

and on top of that you also might have musicians who've been practicing you know prophetic melodies too Like, how do you, when there's,

762

like, a space of spontaneous worship, how do you determine who's going to go?

763

Because I'm sure everybody, a lot of people have something to do.

764

But, like, how do you determine that?

765

I think, I was going to say this earlier.

766

With your team, I would so highly, highly recommend nights of worship with each other without anyone in the room.

767

And begin to trust each other.

768

And trust what's on each other's lives.

769

Trust what so different ones carry because there's different anointing and different flow things people carry.

770

So know what your guitar player is good at doing.

771

Know what different singers can carry and what they feel comfortable doing.

772

And then that way when the Holy Spirit begins to move, I trust my husband with everything.

773

And there might be two different ways we're sensing the Lord moving.

774

And I might be like, oh, I didn't see it going that way, but I trust him and I trust what he's sensing.

775

and so I just served that moment with him, but I may have felt something totally different.

776

And so sometimes I'll just intercede that in the room or if the time is right, I'll kind of like help lead it that other way.

777

So it's like a dance with your team, but you gotta know how to dance in private before you can do it in public.

778

That's it, beautiful.

779

Okay, Carrie.

780

Great, just as we wrap up here, would everyone just stand for a moment and would you guys just pray for everyone before we send them off?

781

Yeah.

782

we just love you so much we honor you you're amazing to come

783

and and to be in a room to learn

784

and glean from the the holy spirit these are some of the most marking moments of your life

785

so lord we bless we bless our friends right now lord i pray for fresh oil

786

and fresh fire on the altars of their heart lord i just thank you

787

that you're tending to every detail of their homes Lord, everything they're burning for.

788

Lord, maybe their church has what they're burning for and they're just loving it.

789

They're so excited.

790

But maybe they're here and they're longing for their home church to want more and to desire more.

791

Lord, I thank you that you're starting it in them and it'll go home and be like a wildfire in their home.

792

Lord, we just bless them with more friendship with you than anything else.

793

Friendship and communion with the Father.

794

Lord bless our friends in Jesus name Amen We love you so much Thank you guys

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คำศัพท์	คำอ่าน	ความหมาย
worship คำนาม	/ˈwɝ.ʃɪp/	บูชา
overflow คำกริยา	/ˌəʊvəˈfləʊ/	ท่วม
staple คำนาม	/ˈsteɪ.pəl/	ลวดเย็บกระดาษ
pastor คำนาม	/ˈpæs.tɚ/	ศิษยาภิบาล
harmony คำนาม	/ˈhɑ̟ɹ.mə.ni/	ความบรรสาน
melody คำนาม	/ˈmɛl.ə.di/	ทำนอง
coconut คำนาม	/ˈkəʊ.kə.nʌt/	มะพร้าว
phrase คำนาม	/ˈfɹeɪ̯z/	วลี, ประโยค
chord คำนาม	/kɔɹd/	คอร์ด
bury คำกริยา	/ˈbɛɹi/	ฝัง
spider คำนาม	/ˈspaɪ̯dɚ/	แมงมุม
courage คำนาม	/ˈkʌ.ɹɪd͡ʒ/	ความกล้า, ความกล้าหาญ
denomination คำนาม	/dɪˌnɒmɪˈneɪʃən/	นามพรรณ
heel คำนาม	/hil/	ส้น, ส้นเท้า
translate คำกริยา	/tɹænzˈleɪt/	แปล

กริยาวลีที่คุณจะได้ยิน

คำศัพท์	ความหมาย
get up คำกริยา	ลุก
show up คำกริยา	โผล่
go back คำกริยา	กลับไป

ประโยคที่ควรฝึกพูดซ้ำ

ประโยคสั้น ๆ ที่สมบูรณ์จากวิดีโอ ซึ่งนำไปใช้ในบทสนทนาประจำวันได้:

When did you start leading worship?
You want to know my first worship list?
What should we be focused on that night?
Keys for me, I'm always like, what key?
Can I get to these other things I'm feeling?

ไวยากรณ์ในวิดีโอนี้

โครงสร้างที่ผู้พูดใช้บ่อยที่สุด พร้อมคำพูดจริงจากวิดีโอ:

โครงสร้าง	ในวิดีโอ
Present perfect continuous have/has been + -ing — การกระทำที่เริ่มก่อนหน้านี้และยังดำเนินอยู่	I've been wondering · who've been practicing
ประโยคเงื่อนไข if + อนุประโยค, will/would + กริยา — เงื่อนไขและผลลัพธ์	if the time is right, I'll kind
Present perfect have/has + กริยาช่อง 3 — เหตุการณ์ในอดีตที่ยังเกี่ยวข้องกับปัจจุบัน	we've led · I've seen · I've worked
Passive voice be + กริยาช่อง 3 — เน้นสิ่งที่เกิดขึ้น ไม่ใช่ผู้กระทำ	be raptured · are just always connected · isn't rehearsed

การออกเสียงที่ควรระวัง

ผู้พูดใช้รูปย่อและรูปลดเสียง 327 ครั้ง เช่น you're, I'm, don't ให้พูดแบบสั้นตามที่ได้ยิน

เสียง “th”: thankful /ˈθæŋkfəl/, thumb /ˈθʌm/
เสียง “sh” และ “zh”: worship /ˈwɝ.ʃɪp/, congregation /ˌkɑŋɡɹəˈɡeɪʃən/, denomination /dɪˌnɒmɪˈneɪʃən/, worshipper /ˈwɝʃɪpɚ/, intentional /ɪnˈtɛnʃənəl/
คำยาว — ลงเสียงหนักให้ถูกพยางค์: spontaneous /spɑnˈteɪ.ni.əs/, spontaneously /spɑnˈteɪ.ni.əs.li/, congregation /ˌkɑŋɡɹəˈɡeɪʃən/, practically /ˈpɹæk.tɪ.k(ə.)li/, communicate /kəˈmjuːnɪkeɪt/

เสียงที่คนไทยมักออกเสียงยาก:

เสียงท้ายคำ — ออกเสียงให้ครบ ไม่เปลี่ยนเป็นตัวสะกดแบบไทย: spontaneous /spɑnˈteɪ.ni.əs/, oftentimes /ˈɔf.ənˌtaɪmz/, vocal /ˈvoʊ̯.kəl/, bless /blɛs/, staple /ˈsteɪ.pəl/
/v/ — ไม่ใช่ /w/ ให้ฟันบนแตะริมฝีปากล่าง: vocal /ˈvoʊ̯.kəl/, overflow /ˌəʊvəˈfləʊ/, versus /ˈvɝsəs/, heavenly /ˈhɛvənli/, overwhelm /ˌoʊ.vɚˈwɛlm/
/z/ — เสียงก้อง ไม่ใช่ /s/: oftentimes /ˈɔf.ənˌtaɪmz/, phrase /ˈfɹeɪ̯z/, translate /tɹænzˈleɪt/, wisdom /ˈwɪzdəm/, praise /pɹeɪz/

วิธีฝึกกับวิดีโอนี้

ฟังวิดีโอให้จบหนึ่งรอบโดยยังไม่ต้องพูด แล้วจดคำที่ยังไม่รู้จัก
เริ่มที่ความเร็ว 0.75× พูดตามทีละประโยค แล้วกลับไปใช้ความเร็วปกติเมื่อเริ่มคล่อง
อัดเสียงตัวเองแล้วเทียบกับต้นฉบับ โดยสังเกตคำอย่าง worship, overflow, staple เป็นพิเศษ

เทคนิค Shadowing คืออะไร?

Shadowing เป็นเทคนิคการเรียนรู้ภาษาที่ได้รับการรับรองทางวิทยาศาสตร์ พัฒนาขึ้นสำหรับการฝึกนักแปลมืออาชีพ วิธีการนี้เรียบง่ายแต่ทรงพลัง: คุณฟังเสียงภาษาอังกฤษจากเจ้าของภาษาและพูดตามทันที — เหมือนเงาที่ตามผู้พูดด้วยช่วงเวลาห่าง 1-2 วินาที การวิจัยแสดงว่าเทคนิคนี้ปรับปรุงความแม่นยำในการออกเสียง ทำนองเสียง จังหวะ การเชื่อมเสียง การฟังเข้าใจ และความคล่องแคล่วในการพูดได้อย่างมีนัยสำคัญ

เทคนิค shadowing: อ่านคู่มือฉบับเต็มทีละขั้นตอน →

ฝึกพูดภาษาอังกฤษด้วยเทคนิค Shadowing จากวิดีโอ: Kari Jobe Carnes | An Interview with Jenn Johnson for WorshipU

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