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Oh, no. This is not planned, but we know who it is.
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Oh, no. No. Mr. President?
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Oh.
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Yes, sir.
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I got to tell you something.
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Ladies and gentlemen, GPU Jesus.
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They love you.
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They love you.
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Thank you.
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I love you back.
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Number one podcast in the world.
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In the world.
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Wow.
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We like the new jacket.
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Well, you know.
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You auctioned the open?
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I just, I felt you guys needed some energy.
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Yes.
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I know we're talking about serious stuff here, but we need to talk about it with energy.
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Yes.
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Let's start with this essay from this weekend. Which one?
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Let's start with Dario's essay.
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Was Hemingway involved?
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Actually, did anybody run it through Pangram?
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I don't even know how much of it was AI helped, but that was a pretty incredible thing.
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And then I think what a lot of people were surprised
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by was the coalescing of the Frontier Labs around the essay itself.
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Just, Jensen, unpack what happened, how you read it, how you interpreted it, and then we'll get into some details that were inside of it.
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But maybe just high -level thoughts to kick it off.
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Well, first of all, there were a lot of stuff in there.
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Yeah.
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And first, there's a part about safety which we have to take very seriously.
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Safety is paramount, obviously.
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Safety and leadership are not false.
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They're false choices.
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You're able to innovate quickly.
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You're able to execute quickly.
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And America's able to lead and to do it safely.
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I think those are false choices, but safety is obviously important.
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There's a matter of of internal control that I think he was speaking to.
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Obviously, the Coxson whistleblower is very serious matter.
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Whenever you have a whistleblower, you gotta take it very seriously.
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I thought Coxson had great courage to put out what his concerns were.
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And even then, there were some issues that were kind of conflated within that.
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I think the whistleblowing is fine.
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I think the scientific prediction about the future is less fine because it's not grounded on science, obviously.
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And it was expressed by a scientist, but it was obviously not grounded on science.
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And so I take issue with that.
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But obviously the whistleblower part of it, you know, I think there's just a whole bunch of stuff.
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Pausing, pacing, those are all the voluntary things that they could do if they feel that their company is out of control.
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If Coxon saw something, obviously we don't know what Coxon saw,
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but if he saw that the company was out of control and maybe it's a transition from research to engineering.
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As you know, these labs are transitioning from research to engineering.
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Extraordinary talent, extraordinary engineering, but obviously engineering is different than research maybe
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that transition is clumsy you know I don't we don't know what what he saw
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and ultimately only he knows but
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if there was a matter of lack of control that's a
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different topic how should the government deal with it now all of a sudden regulation
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and rate I mean it just covers everything in one block
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can you just help us sort of unpack we played we
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tried to play this game actually this week on the pod
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and it was difficult which is how do you describe like you know my mom calls me
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and she's like Chmoth what is this whole civilizational death thing.
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I don't know how to explain it to her.
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So when you have very smart people like that quantize it and quantify it, I think that's probably what's perturbing to some people.
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They're like, what does that mean, 10 % of extinction?
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Nobody knows how to explain that to the average person, how that's even possible.
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Well, first of all, we shouldn't because it's made up.
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First of all, I think that we shouldn't because it's made up.
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And these are well -educated.
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They're called researchers.
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Obviously, they're working in a lab.
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And so the confluence of these words and then the prediction is alarming and troubling, and it shouldn't be done.
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It's irresponsible.
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Now the fact of the matter is, let's go back and look at the real facts.
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The facts are there was a prediction that in five years time
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radiology will be completely taken over by artificial intelligence and there'll be no radiologists in the world.
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That has proven to be exactly the opposite.
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We need more radiologists than ever in the world.
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However, AI has taken over radiology completely, which is great.
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It is automated scan reading, which is great.
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There was a prediction that within six to twelve months, wasn't it just last year, within six to 12 months.
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90 % of code would already be generated by AI.
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That has turned out to be wrong.
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Within six to nine months, that was predicted last year, 50 % of entry jobs will be wiped out.
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That has proven to be wrong.
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Let's see, what else has proven to be wrong?
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I mean, all of these predictions have been wrong.
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Right.
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And if you're - That GPT -2 would be too unsafe to release, that Lama -3 would be too unsafe to release.
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Oh, Juan.
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Yeah, we've heard these.
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Half of white collar jobs would be gone next year.
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The jobs apocalypse.
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We have to take accountability.
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We have to take account for all of the stupid predictions that were made.
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Right.
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Somebody has to take...
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And so we have to just keep track of all that.
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And of course people do.
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And remind us that those predictions are inconsistent with ultimately America winning the AI race.
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The short form for that is some people are saying, you know, they say trust the experts and they use the analog of COVID, which again started with people that were researchers,
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educated people that had an asymmetric awareness of the thing that the rest of us did not, saying things that ultimately turned out, we find out in facts, not to be true.
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And so there's this war that's happening right now between the trust the experts movement and the you know Well,
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let's just look at the actual history of these predictions and let's just think more methodically
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What where is this coming from
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because it's coming from inside the places that's actually making it like what do you think is the Psychological makeup
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or what is the real incentive?
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Maybe it's a business incentive.
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Maybe it's a political incentive Can you just maybe guess
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or how do you how do you think about what why they're doing this?
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Well, first of all, I've got to tell you, these are some of the most consequential companies in history.
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Extraordinary engineers, extraordinary researchers, really fantastic work.
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On the one hand, I work very closely with them as companies to companies.
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On the other hand, we have to have conversations like this in public.
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And it's really unfortunate.
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And I think that these companies really ought to be built the way that we used to build companies, which is in silence.
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Right.
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So wait, Jensen, you don't allow anybody in your organization to speak for the entire organization, especially when they're having a bad weekend or they rage quit?
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They're not allowed to tweet on your behalf and the organization's behalf?
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Because, well, that's what they decided when they came to work for us.
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And we told them, this is the way you behave when you work in our company.
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And if you like the culture of our company, which, as you know, the NVIDIA culture and the NVIDIA employee base, incredibly happy.
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They like the fact that the company is consistent, that we're stable, that our core values are consistent with taking care of the families
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and creating the conditions by which they can do their life's work.
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That we do meaningful work.
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We do it as quietly as we can and we contribute to everybody else's success, which we're very proud of.
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And so those kind of core values people are attracted to.
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But when you come and work in our company, there are also some things that we don't appreciate that you do.
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Like, for example, we don't welcome political discourse inside our company.
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Take it home.
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You guys talk about politics outside the company.
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Yeah.
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We are, the company is an apolitical company.
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You know, we're bipartisan.
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We want America to succeed.
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And we want whatever government is in place, we'll do everything in our power to help America succeed.
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And so the discourse about race and religion and politics and all of that stuff,
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we tell people, do it outside the company.
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It's not for us.
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In terms of maybe AI regulation, then more narrowly, Satya was here this morning and what he said is, you know, before we talk about regulation that could really stymie things,
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why don't we just get some basics right?
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Why don't we get measurement right?
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Why don't we get standardization right? right um where do you
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land on get engineering right get the engineering right right translate the research in a more predictable way so
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that we're not fear -mongering keep it inside until we're ready
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to expose it um what do you think the right response is you know demis had a proposal
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which was sort of this more finra -like organization it's not clear what daria wants this transnational mutated thing
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that has some sort of control where do you land on
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this the sort of perspective of What do we need right now?
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You know, regulations should solve actual problems.
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And so the question is, what actual problems have we enjoyed?
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And if you look at the actual problems, all of the actual problems so far have come from the labs.
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And the reason for that, the reason for that, and just in their defense, the reason for that is because they have the most compute.
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Right.
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And the reason for that is because they're trying to solve the frontier problems.
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And so in their defense.
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And so it's sensible that the labs, the frontier labs, will be where the most danger come from.
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It is unlikely that a high school student did something.
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Because they just simply won't have enough compute.
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Right.
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And so it's unlikely that a startup will be the reason because they won't have enough compute.
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In fact, you could look across the planet and everybody won't have enough compute with the exception of the frontier labs.
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And so now the question is, if you look at what actually happened, and they're doing pioneering work, it's really very hard.
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They're transitioning from research to engineering engineering,
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I could imagine, and they're obviously building some of the most consequential technology and companies in the world.
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They're building their company, they're building their culture, they're building the technology, they're building engineering, they're building products all at the same time.
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And so I can understand it's a little bit hair on fire.
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But nonetheless, the four incidents from one lab, the one giant incident from the other lab,
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the first thing that you have to do is just root cause the problem from an engineering perspective.
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What happened?
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What could we have done differently?
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And what are we going to implement and institutionalize, whether it's technology or methods or processes, and make sure that we don't let it happen again?
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Now, I would bet you money that in every single one of those cases is within their control
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in the future to prevent it.
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because the alternative, if it's not in their control, and I'm sure that they are, I'm sure those four incidents won't happen again.
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I'm sure they root -caused it and fixed it.
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I'm sure they have now much better technology for sandboxes and runtimes and monitors and continuous monitors.
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And so I'm certain they have much, much better technology now.
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The alternative is also unlikely which is for them to say, look, we had these incidents.
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After we're done analyzing it, we came to the conclusion we don't know anything that happened, and we have no idea how to control it,
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and we're asking society for help.
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Now, if that's the case, then we ought to, you know, a bunch of companies with engineers ought to send engineers in, and we should advise them if we can.
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But I doubt it.
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I think they have extraordinary people that got this handled.
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We're not operating in a vacuum.
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David, last night you informed me that there is a Chinese lab, the makers of GLM, who are going to put $3 billion towards a recursive self -improvement run.
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So maybe you could tee that up for Jeff.
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Well, that's what was announced.
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Zipu .com, the founder, just raised $5 billion and said
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that one of their priorities is going to be trying to get AI
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that trains the next AI and to try and automate as much of that as possible.
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Yeah, I think that...
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Well, this is the new sexy phrase.
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As you guys know, RSI is a combination of a system of ideas.
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It starts everything with in -context stuff.
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It starts with skills.
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It starts with reflection.
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It starts with reinforcement learning and synthetic data generation.
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And these are all very sensible ideas that causes AI to get better at solving a problem over time.
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And you could also have low rank.
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All of that stuff doesn't include the weights.
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You could actually improve the weights, and it's called LoRa.
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LoRa could be improved in synthetic data generation, reinforcement learning, enhance it without training the base model itself.
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And then over time, you could train the base model again with all of that experience.
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And so I think it's a sensible thing
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that you're going to use the technology to enhance productivity of all kinds of tasks, including building AI.
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I think that's a very logical idea.
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And I'm certain that everybody is using it in some degree.
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It's just this phrase is now being used to weaponize the technology in some way and maybe to turn the technology.
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It's going to spiral out of control is the impression they're trying to give, but you don't believe that's real.
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No, no, of course not.
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And the reason for that is because you could RSI all day long inside your company, but when you release a product, you've got to evaluate it, don't you?
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You have to test it again, don't you?
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You have to make sure that there's no regression, right?
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And so the basic process of control, these labs are going to, as they move from labs to engineering, they will have much, much better control.
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Right and when they have much better control that control comes from methods
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and knowledge and practice and tools and technology All of those things
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that lead to better control verification
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and evals It's going to enable RSI to be done inside the company
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and for good price to be released outside about open source for a second.
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I mean this hugging face
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We were communicating about this and I said it's going to be one of the most consequential acquisitions.
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I don't even want to call it a transaction because I think it's more important than that.
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Give us your first principles explanation of open source versus closed source versus open weights
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and how the ecosystem should fit together over time.
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The world needs both closed models and open models.
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You want to use, I use as much closed models as I can.
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This weekend I used four of them.
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And they work terrifically.
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They're frontier.
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They're great experience.
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They work incredibly well.
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They're getting better all the time.
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And the way I think about closed models is kind of like bottled water.
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Water is free, you guys.
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I don't know if I've told you guys, but water is free.
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I don't want to burst everybody's bubble.
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But water is free.
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And this morning, I used a lot of free water taking a shower.
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And so you use the right water in the right places.
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And this is no different than electricity.
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This is you know, there's no different than all kinds of commodities that we use in the world.
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You need both Now in the case of open the reason why you need it is
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because it could be for sovereignty reasons privacy reasons
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Proprietary technology reasons look at the facts the facts are in the last six months
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400 billion dollars of venture funding went into AI native companies 80 % of them use open models.
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If not for open models, how could they build their dream?
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Because their dream could be different.
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Obviously, it would be different than the labs, the Frontier Labs dreams.
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And America has so many different ways to innovate.
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That's one of our core strengths.
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Great ideas just coming out of the fountain.
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And so open models enables that.
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Open models enables every single, if we want to win the AI race, It's not about a few technology companies winning the AI race.
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It's about every company in America.
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Every company, every industry, every researcher, every teacher, every student, every startup.
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Everybody wins.
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Some of them will use closed models.
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A lot of them will use open models.
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There's 10 million.
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Does it matter if the open models come from China or the U .S.?
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Well, we're doing everything we can to make a contribution in open models.
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However, the moment you download,
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like, for example, probably the vast majority of the world's contribution to open source today is coming from China.
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They just have a lot more engineers.
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They produce everything in large scale because it's a larger country.
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And so they produce science and math students in volume.
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That's one of our disadvantages.
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They're manufacturing them through amazing universities like Tsinghua University in high volume.
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Well, they contribute open source today.
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We download Linux, we download Kubernetes, we download all the software.
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A lot of it has been touched by Chinese.
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Once you download it, it's yours.
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We fork it, we improve it, we make it ours.
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When you download one of these Chinese models, it just happens to be made by some really great researchers in China, but it's now yours.
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So what exactly is the race?
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The race?
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Yeah.
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I think that's a really good point.
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My point is the race is really about who exploits the technology best.
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You know, the last industrial revolution, all of the inventors were Maxwell, Volta, Ampere.
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None of them were American.
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They were right the last industrial revolution came from Europe, but we exploited it We took advantage of it socially better than anybody else in the world
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and look how it turned out for us I want to make sure that this next generation doors just like this.
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Yeah So why are the communists getting their message out so successfully here right now?
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You know, I think first of all, the narrative is much more practical.
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The narrative is much more practical.
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Nobody in China is saying that there's end of this and end of that and cataclysmic this and you know.
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Doom or that.
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Doom or that.
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They're much more pragmatic about it.
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They see AI as a technology that's going to advance their economy, advance their society.
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And they don't have these groups who are basically saying it's going to end civilization.
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And we're making it up.
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The part that is frustrating is if it's true...
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If it was true, then we ought to talk about it and go do something about it.
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Even
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if it's true, we ought to spend more time doing something about it than worrying a bunch of people who can't do anything about it.
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It's our job to build it right.
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Has there ever been a point in history where so many people have so vehemently said something that is so untrue?
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And they're actually demonstrably untrue.
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And it actually makes sense is untrue.
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It's not based on science.
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It's not based on research.
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Everything that's based on science and research proves otherwise.
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The fear of the frontier.
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Humans have never been there.
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We've never seen it.
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Therefore, we're scared of it.
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And therefore, it's easy to tell everyone to be scared of it.
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It could be life experience as well, David.
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So let me give you an example.
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When I first graduated from school, I was an engineer and I didn't do that much typing.
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And the reason for that is because I was the first generation before software became popular.
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We had to go build the computers to make software pop up possible.
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Could you imagine?
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In this generation every single engineer who came into the world of engineering you spend all your time typing Literally, that's what you do
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When you get a job they give you a laptop they give you a chair
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and you start typing just you type all day long You type from the moment you wake up to the month.
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Well, there was engineering before typing, right?
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And so can you imagine
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that the world has a mountain of engineering work to do where most of it is not typing anymore?
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Sure.
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We had busy engineers before typing.
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I think we're going to do a lot of great engineering after typing.
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When I say typing, I mean coding.
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So even at NVIDIA, when software engineers talk to me, I tell them, you're just typing.
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I've been saying that forever, but obviously for fun.
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And I tell them, my favorite key is backspace.
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And the reason for that is because the best software is the smallest software.
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So I want you to use backspace as often.
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Let's actually talk about NVIDIA.
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Let's do a little teardown of NVIDIA.
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So, teardown meaning just explain the pieces, because there's a lot of strategy at play.
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Let's start at the absolute bottom.
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Oh, no.
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this is not planned
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but we know who it is oh no no mr. president
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oh yes sir I got to tell you something it I I
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if it wasn't because of you calling I would I'm on stage with the besties I'm on stage with the besties.
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I'm on stage with the besties.
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I'm on stage with Sax.
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Yeah.
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You know, the whole group.
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Yeah, Jason's here.
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Chamat's here.
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Dave and David's here.
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Yeah, I'm sitting in front of a few thousand people.
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And we're talking, as it turns out, we were talking about you.
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Good job, sir.
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Good job.
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The fact that you saw through all of that, I mean, there's a lot of complexity and the fact
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that a matter you saw through all of that and and I we're all just really grateful
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tell him I said hi
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do you want to say hi to the crowd Jason would
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like Jason would like to put you on the even Jason
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speaker mode how do we put how do we put on POTUS
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and spit put them on speaker speaker yeah right into the microphone hold on sir We're getting a microphone.
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Mr. President, you're now talking to the planet.
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You see, the great thing about life is
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that Jensen can develop the most complex computer chip in the world that nobody can copy for 10 years, but he can't figure out how to put me on speaker.
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We have to remember this one.
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So, the AI, it's almost this conspiracy, and the happiest group is China, and China is very happy.
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And I could even say in the country, a lot of states are happy that weren't going to get anything
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because they're being inundated by people that want to be there.
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But now all of a sudden, you see they're building in Finland.
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They want to build one.
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Google wants to build a big one in Finland, which I'm not happy about because they weren't able to get permitting.
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And I'm telling you, it's all a hoax.
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The data centers are great and they make people wealthy
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and they make states wealthy and it's the oil of the next 20, 25 years.
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It's bigger than the Internet and the AI, you know, much more so.
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And they're just playing right into the hands of a lot of people that don't want to see it happen, and that could be political people, it could also be China.
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And we're not going to let that happen.
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It's a hoax.
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You're right, we're not going to let that happen, sir.
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No, we're not going to let it happen.
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The robots are not going to be taking over the world.
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and that's not going to happen.
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You know, my uncle was...
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Hey, the top, probably maybe the best of all time, frankly, but professors at MIT for 41,
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42 years and known as being one of the most brilliant men.
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And he was he was there for 41 years as the top.
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He was like at the top, top of the ladder, top of did many things.
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Jensen knows all about it, but did many things.
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So I have a little genetic, a little genetic strength, if you believe in the race theory
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but i do i have genetics that explains why you know
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so much about ai yeah well i know about ai i
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know i also have common sense about ai uh the robots
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will not be taken over uh the ai will not be
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taken over the rest of the world the whole thing is a hoax now with
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that we have to be a little bit careful we have
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to very be you know we have to do things
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and we have to do them prudently but
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that doesn't mean we're going to stop an industry
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because you know as we work on the next 10 years about how to destroy it
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so i'm with you all the way i didn't even know
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how you felt about it i assumed you felt the same way as me yes
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and we if we're going to lead
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and i have an expression it's whoever wins ai wins that's how big it is it's bigger than the internet
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and whoever wins ai wins and we can't let this kind of stuff happen
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and that includes very much includes data centers there are communities
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that were dying that have data centers right now and now they're wealthy communities, really wealthy communities.
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We're going to make sure that everybody wins in the AI race in America.
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Every industry, every company, every state, every people.
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Good.
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Well, I feel strongly about it, and I have the position that can do something about it.
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We're not going to let that stuff happen.
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So I have no idea who's at the meeting.
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I have no idea who the hell I'm talking to, but I'll see you. Did you hear that?
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Did you hear that? thousands of people are clapping for you sir
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but uh he's done an amazing job and david has done an amazing job
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and good luck to everybody
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and uh we're going to stay with the future the country
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has never done better we have 20 trillion dollars of investment coming into the country
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and that's as opposed to much less than one trillion under sleepy joe biden and that was for four years.
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This is in one year.
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So, you know, it's really the country has never seen anything like it, and we're going to keep it going.
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And so thank you all very much.
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Thank you, Mr. President.
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I'll call you back later.
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Thank you, Mr. President.
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Thank you.
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Well, that was unique.
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I thought it was a bit.
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Did you know that was happening?
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I thought it was a bit.
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You thought it was a high?
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No, it was real.
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I thought it was a bit at first, and I was like, put him on speakerphone.
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Wow. And he calls you.
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How do you think?
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He calls you any hour at the night, right?
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Well, we were in the Oval that time when he called you.
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I was sleeping.
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I was in Europe.
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You were asleep, and he said, wake him up.
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I felt so bad because he's like, who's coming to this dinner?
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And we go through the list, and he's like, well, what about Jensen?
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I said, no, sir, he's on vacation because he had to postpone this vacation for five years.
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And he's like, get him on the phone.
443
What's vacation?
444
But why do you think he sees through the hoax?
445
It's this is the thing that is really quite an extraordinary thing.
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It was it's polling minus 80.
447
Yeah.
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So for anyone else that's sitting in the Oval Office, you're going to do what's popular.
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You're representing the people.
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This is what everyone wants.
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They want to shut down the data centers, end AI.
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It seems to be the popular thing in the moment.
453
But he says it's a hoax and he calls it.
454
How does he do that?
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I got to tell you, I'm not sure.
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And the reason for that is because a lot of people are falling for it.
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And so the fact of the matter is it's complicated.
458
You know at first, I mean if you look at the story, if you look at the stories, it's all anchored on two things.
459
The first thing that it was anchored on was national security.
460
And recently that was all blown to bits.
461
And so that story is no longer anchored on national security.
462
Now it's anchored on safety.
463
Now if you want AI to be safe, the first thing is we need to make sure that the labs that are building it are in control.
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That they're good tests for them.
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if we would like to have third parties to to make sure
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that a third party evaluate
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if their party evaluators are available that's no different than financial control you guys know we have auditors
468
and the auditors are quite quite they don't have to be as expert as we are in our business
469
but they just have to ask the right questions
470
and I think I heard somebody say that it's good to have independent auditors
471
or evaluators but they just have to have multiple.
472
I agree with that too, just as there's multiple evaluated and auditors.
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It makes sure that one company doesn't become you know pilled or somehow influenced for whatever reason.
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And so you know there's a lot of different ways
475
that you could solve this and so that I think the number one thing is let's build the technology safely.
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Let's make sure that the testing of it is safe.
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And I recognize completely that what is being built is extraordinary.
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But these are extraordinary companies, and we ought to hold them to extraordinary standards.
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And they want to be.
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I wanted to go back to open source for a second.
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A year ago, we weren't taking it very seriously.
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It was two years, 18 months behind.
483
The one thing that, you know, one of the, as you guys know, one of the challenges when you're on the call with President Trump is hard to say something.
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I'm going to get in trouble for that.
485
I'm sure he's going to call me up on that. But anyhow, what I was going to tell him and all of you is that AI is creating an enormous number of jobs.
486
The thing that he wanted more than anything at the beginning of the administration and my first phone call with him, my first time I met him, is that he wants to create jobs in America,
487
he wants to re -industrialize the United States, he wants to make sure that the United States has the energy to support the next industrial revolution.
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Without energy, there's no industrial growth.
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And so he wants to make sure that there's energy growth, that there's job growth, that we're re -industrializing the supply chain.
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Look at everything that we're doing right now.
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All of it is happening right now as we speak.
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We're creating more jobs than ever.
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We're creating software jobs.
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We were just talking about earlier 400 billion dollars of venture
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financing went into the AI industry just recently yeah six months
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well that's created a ton of jobs that's created a ton
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of jobs it's created you know obviously enormous amount of demand for compute
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which I'm happy about which is also
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which is also creating a lot of demand for data centers
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and we ought to talk about that I I think I was just, I was talking to Governor Abbott of Texas,
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and he was, he wants to appeal to the industry to make sure
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that we are empathetic to the small communities as we're building data centers all across America, just to be better listeners.
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Let's actually talk about that for a second.
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What's incredible about NVIDIA, if you break down the component parts,
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is you've effectively had to become the bank of AI to get the ecosystem going.
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And you've had to do it at all the levels.
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You know, you just did this thing with Cloverleaf where you're doing Land Power Shell.
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You did this great thing with BlackRock and Goldman and all these folks to essentially create the financing capability.
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Walk us through your capital allocation strategy.
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What has to happen to get a broader ecosystem of folks to be able to come in and underwrite this next phase?
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Well, we're creating, as you guys know, this is a new industrial revolution and every aspect of it is true.
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This new industry requires manufacturing.
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Just as the electricity, internet,
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and now AI, we power anything, we can find anything.
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Now with AI we can ask and know anything.
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Isn't that right?
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And so that's our future.
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We tap into the ether and we can ask it of anything we want and it could explain it to us.
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Now, in order for that to happen, it's got to produce the intelligence.
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And so that's a production process, which is the reason why this infrastructure has to get built.
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But once you get the infrastructure built, the question is, what about all of the other layers across the United States?
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This industry isn't just about the model.
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It's not just about the chips.
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It's mostly about the applications on top.
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It's mostly about the infrastructure layer, or the data centers and all the infrastructure, the construction, the electricity, the power generation,
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all of that is involved.
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And so I look across the entire ecosystem and look for bottlenecks.
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And if there are places where extraordinary companies are being built.
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Constraints.
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Constraints, extraordinary companies being built.
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Maybe it's a supply chain that has to get scaled up so that when we're ready to deploy compute,
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that they'll be ready for us land power shell.
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And so this is no different than looking at the supply chain upstream.
534
You know, I probably think about the long -term supply chain more than most because our company is really large.
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And in order for us to succeed, a whole bunch of companies has to support me.
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You know, it's got a Corning has this, you know, Wendell Corning has to support me, Lumentum and, you know, TSMC, of course, and memory companies.
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And so we started working with all of these companies long before the revolution
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that the growth came so
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that the growth could happen now i'm going now i'm doing
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a downstream i have one cycle tends to be though
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that the earnings over time over long stretches of time tends
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to move up the stack right towards the application layer where
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you can over earn for larger periods of time um i
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mean you bought hugging face now you're sort of in the actively in the serving business i mean it seems pretty
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natural that products like open router make a lot of sense it seems pretty
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obvious that you know there are better versions of ways to build things like bedrock I'm sure you think about it
547
What's the natural conclusion?
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Because it seems like the folks up here have no issue trying to move down.
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And you have the best balance sheet, these incredible engineers, and you have the proven experience to make it right and engineer the product and get it out.
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So how do you think about looking up and saying, I could probably do that.
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The reason why Nvidia runs every single model in the world, we were the only, it's incredible.
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Last year, about a year and a half ago, the only thing we ran was OpenAI.
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Yeah, and now look at amazing models are available the metamuse is available You got grok is available grok bots incredible
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We now run Gemini and
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Anthropica is scaling up on our platform as well
556
Since a year and a half ago you got all these frontier AI models
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that are now open that are available So the number of models that are growing
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There's a whole bunch of companies that I won't mention
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that are building frontier models as well and the number of AI labs are growing.
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The ineffables, the reflections, the list goes on.
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The physical intelligence, the list goes on.
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And so all of these labs are building on NVIDIA.
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And the reason for that is because as a company, I'd rather for us to help everybody succeed instead of taking a slice out.
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And so we would go up as far as we need to, but as low as possible.
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Our strategy is go up as far as we need to and as low as possible.
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And the reason for that is because if I do that, if I solve the, if not for NVIDIA creating QDNN, all of the frameworks wouldn't exist.
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If not for us creating Megatron core, then all of the large -scale training wouldn't have happened.
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So we go and we invent all the technology necessary as far as we need to, and then we let a thousand flowers bloom.
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And so that posture allows us to be, quite frankly, the only...
570
Well, look, let's be honest.
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I agree with you.
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The pushback would be that it really would be great to have more competition at the hyperscale layer.
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And I think you've done a great job supporting the neoclouds.
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There are some, and by the way, I think you introduced me to Nambias.
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Superb.
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Great.
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Everything, they're amazing.
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But we need like 50 of these guys.
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We need 100 of them.
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We need 1 ,000 of them.
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And it just may take some...
582
Yeah.
583
You know, Shemar, it's just I'm surprisingly uncompetitive.
584
Really?
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Yeah.
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That's not my thing.
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You know, my thing is kind of like, for example, I'd be more than happy with five hyperscalers.
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However, the reason I noticed the early customers of all the neoclouds, all the what we call NCPs, all the early customers were the hyperscalers.
589
Exactly.
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And the reason for that is because the hyperscalers plan once a year, but the market dynamics is so volatile right now that they're always almost wrong.
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And so with all these regional clouds who are agile, they can move fast.
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They know their state or they know their country.
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They know their region.
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They're securing land, power, and shell in a way that's hard for somebody who sits in Seattle
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or sits in Palo Alto to be able to see the planet.
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And so we now have basically a large -scale distributed network of companies that are building, securing land power shelf for us.
597
And now countries realize it's strategic.
598
So many countries are saying, I'm going to take my power and only give it to my own companies.
599
Well, NVIDIA is in that country as well, and we could help the NeoClouds in that country grow.
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And so whether it's Firmus in Australia, we just did a whole bunch of stuff in Australia, brought on two more gigabytes.
601
Southeast Asia, of course, IOH and others bring on a few gigabytes.
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And so we're building, gigawatts.
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So we're building, you know, we're scaling up, you know.
604
It's pretty clear though.
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I just want to get this one thing in.
606
It's pretty clear that you're going pretty high up and getting very focused on open source.
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Obviously, you have your Nemotrons doing exceptionally well.
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I use them often.
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Hugging Face, Poolside and Laguna.
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Very, very solid product that you're now acqui -hiring, hiring, whatever it is.
611
And then you have your open source stack for self -driving, also very disruptive.
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We are the frontier model in five domains.
613
Yeah.
614
And so you don't seem to build products to get the silver medal.
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You seem to go for the gold.
616
So are you going for the gold, and will you have the best hands -down open source model?
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And then part B to that is, can open source catch up to Frontier Models, and are you the person to do it?
618
So the logic, Jason, is that we will build it because, one, we can, we have the skills to do it,
619
and because our customers need us to do it.
620
Right.
621
So for example, Alpamayo is the world's first thinking self -driving car.
622
And by thinking, by reasoning, you don't need as much data as, you know, you don't have to train on a few billion hours of road data.
623
Because you can reason about it.
624
Break down the problem into, oh, I've seen this before.
625
It's not exactly the same, but it's largely the same as that.
626
Okay.
627
And so Alpamayo, why is it necessary?
628
Well, there's a whole bunch of car companies.
629
Every car in the world is going to be autonomous.
630
But beyond that, every ag tech, every truck, every van, and most of them aren't big enough in scale to be able to build that whole stack.
631
So I'll build an extraordinary stack for them.
632
They do last mile adapting for their application.
633
Now everything that moves in the future could be autonomous.
634
If not for us building some of the biology models, the world wouldn't have it the ESM2 protein found language model, we created that.
635
ESM fold, open fold, alpha fold 2, all the stuff with QEquivariant, all of that stuff, technology, wouldn't have existed if we didn't build it.
636
One of my favorites, Proteina Complexa, is synthesizing next generation proteins and it's binding.
637
It's groundbreaking stuff.
638
We built that.
639
And so we'll build that because Lily needs it
640
and Mark needs it and others need it and they don't have the capability to do it or they're not yet there.
641
And so we can make a real contribution.
642
So I do everything out of need.
643
I'm not trying to disrupt.
644
I mean, we don't wake up in the morning trying to disrupt anybody.
645
We just wake up in the morning, try to help everybody.
646
Jensen, what about competitive threats that might be emerging to your core business?
647
Can you just comment?
648
We're just so nice.
649
Yes.
650
Well, I know this is...
651
Well, I actually want to just get your...
652
Let's just call it a take.
653
What's your take on TerraFab?
654
100 million square foot facility Elon's announced.
655
If anybody could do it, he can.
656
And the two of us were on a flight together to a country.
657
With a person who sometimes calls you on the phone.
658
It was a nice plane.
659
And we had like, you know, Elon likes to talk about these things.
660
And so we spent a lot of time talking about it. Is that even competitive?
661
Anybody could do it, he could do it.
662
Because you design chips, you don't fab them.
663
Could your chips be fab there or is it?
664
Well, we know a lot about process technology because we're pushing the limits of everything.
665
And because we scale at such large scale, we have incredible memory technology inside the company.
666
We're the world's best 30s company.
667
We got lots of amazing tech.
668
So your take is you've talked a lot about it?
669
So we could just, yeah, we could talk about it.
670
And you can't discourage Elon from doing it, which is one of his super power.
671
And once he decides to go do something, it's hard to stop him.
672
And so I - Can you give us your take on where China is with advanced lithography systems, native grown?
673
They're gonna get there by 2030. By 2030.
674
Yeah, and 2030 is just around the corner.
675
Yeah, also that's - Sorry, how long will all be dead at that time, so.
676
And for China, does that mean the switch is flipped and then that's all gonna go into mainland fabs almost immediately?
677
You know, the way to think about China is really good at high volume production.
678
And this is just a matter of time.
679
And, you know, I think in decades as well.
680
You know, I've been around a long time.
681
And, you know, for NVIDIA, I've got to think about what happens next decade and decade after that.
682
So two or three years, it's just a click.
683
It's nothing.
684
And so as far as they're concerned, they're already there.
685
They're already there.
686
Yeah.
687
Jensen, Elon, and Gwen.
688
We've got to run.
689
America, we've got to run.
690
Speed run.
691
We've got to.
692
Speed run.
693
Slowing down is definitely the wrong strategy.
694
I mean, it feels apparent, I think, to most of us in the industry that we're kind of in the AGI moment, and it's a definition, obviously, just as smart as any other human.
695
I think we're already there.
696
We're there, right?
697
Yeah, yeah.
698
And so then super intelligence is the next waypoint.
699
Based on what you see, based on your customer base, based on your history here.
700
And Jason, I think we're there too.
701
You think we're at super intelligent?
702
Yeah, yeah.
703
When you take a narrow segment, a narrow segment, I mean, my self -driving car, I don't want you to make me an omelet.
704
I just want you to drive the car.
705
Right.
706
That is super intelligent.
707
Super intelligent.
708
And it's better than a human.
709
Yeah, yeah.
710
Like one -tenth of the accident rate.
711
Exactly.
712
Synthesizing proteins, doing virtual screening of proteins.
713
We're already there.
714
Yeah.
715
Yeah, yeah.
716
Are you having fun being on the frontier of humanity?
717
I like it.
718
Yeah.
719
Ladies and gentlemen.
720
I like it.
721
I like it.
722
And guys, it's great there.
723
The future is great, and we want to get there.
724
Listen, a lot of us don't have to work, but I got to tell you, it's too good not to be. So fun.
725
Right?
726
And so I want to be there.
727
I want all of you guys there with me.
728
We're all going to be there.
729
We're going to be enormously successful together as a humanity.
730
And in the meantime, we got to encourage them, urge them on.
731
They're doing really, really important work, as you guys know, and I want them to succeed.
732
I also would love for us to tone down the the the drama and
733
Make and most importantly we need all of America to come with us.
734
That's how we make it Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, Jensen long
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