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Nuns are immortal.

Nicola Coughlin is here, everybody.

Two and a half minutes in is Johnny Bailey's lovely bottom.

I get told off by my mom quite a lot.

She thought it was Downton Abbey, and I was like, it's not quite that.

Chipotle lime roast chicken with quick pickled onions served with smash roast Jersey Royals. So good.

Really, really yummy.

I don't think I'm a natural tent girly.

I have a lot of respect for indoor plumbing yeah i

think that's a really wonderful great invention i would love to come around to your house

and you turn the frayer rusher books into a lamp

hello welcome to dish from waitrose i'm nick grimshaw

and i'm angela hartnett

and we are here at the dish table the very one

for another episode of dish travels with us wherever we go it sure does

I'm trying to think

when I last saw you I think it was in the

French House 1st of April for Pints Day a huge day that happens

because the French House a famous pub in Soho in the

middle of London where Angela's other half our friend Neil is the chef

and they only serve pints in a half measure famously so

so you go in

and you have a little half on April 1st they do Pints Day where you go and get a pint.

And they do this for a great reason, don't they?

Well, it's a charity.

What Leslie's always done for however many years, she gets famous people or well -known people

that go into the French shows normally and they come

and pull a pint and it gets auctioned off for the people there for charity.

And it goes to the Soho School.

And so there was Toby Jones was there.

There was Maxine Peake there.

Suggs has done it in previous years.

You know, Lorraine Chase was there.

They've got loads and loads of people in

and then she always asks us and we do it together

and we did a thousand pounds for one pint of beer well we did two one each yeah

but a pint of beer each which was incredible

so we were the pub is packed by the way

when this happens it's nuts and we went me and ang

and we were the sanest people there by a long shot

it had an energy of like an afters yeah um it

was a lot of fun it was lots of fun did you know

that lily allen turned up well no because neil had texted her

but she quite goes in there quite a lot now her

and neil chatting away talking madeleines and all the rest and

so he so lily different times are madeleines yeah yeah he's got his madeleines

and she's got her madeleine and so she texts neil about a table

and then neil b neil goes well do you fancy coming to pull a pint she goes yes she goes

but i could only come at 6 p .m

and he goes she can only come at 6 p .m

i said well tell her it will be over by then

but fair play she turned up at 6 yeah she gave

some money i think she might have even pulled a pint

or something there was no one there to buy the auction

but she turned up she turned up yeah lily next year come at two o 'clock

madeline's on the house yeah exactly um today a great guest yes uh nicola coughlin is someone

that we've wanted on dish forever and we had a two years ago did we

when you were in japan so she couldn't that was her

that was her moment oh really and then she's been so busy ever since

but now we have her

but now we have her yeah finally um i actually spoke to her yesterday i interviewed her for the radio

and we had a really great time yeah um so she was

so looking forward to it excellent she was like i can't wait for dish tomorrow oh

so she's ready so we'll get nicola in a second

but first should we talk seasonality well we're gonna eat these with nicola

and may just around the corner what are we talking uh

about what is in seasonally jersey royals a jersey royal i

love a jersey roll see i'd make this for like a potato salad yes

or i feel like it's a potato i'd have cold you could

but not fridge cold not french cold i mean it's a bit of a salad

or like in a tuna niçois yeah

or you could cut them in half just roast them in some olive oil some rosemary

and garlic but they're from jersey no way yes

but they're only available april through to sort of june time

which is at their peak perfection and they have

that thing where they call a pdo status

so now this potato no other potato can be named a jersey royal unless it is grown in jersey

and because of the soil and the sea climate they have

that quite unique taste i think they're quite irony that's what i say it's a sort of bit of nuttiness

and it's like But they are delicious and you don't have to peel them.

How are we going to cook them today?

We're going to cook them totally until they're soft, and then I'm going to toss them with some coriander, some butter, some olive oil and chilli,

and then put them in a roasting tray and then slightly squash them

so that they break down slightly and roast all over.

Yeah, they'll be good with the chicken we're having.

Ready.

There's our Jersey Royals jersey royals very in this week very in and should we get nicola coughlin in definitely

how are you thank you very excited this looks amazing i know we're very excited

that looks there's nothing better than a roast chicken no i

agree truly there's not come on in then let's get your drink yeah thank you

so much we're going to start with a champagne for you

madame what a treat i'm thrilled to be here thank you

so much time to welcome our guests on dish she has

wowed millions of viewers uh in bridgeton dairy girls big mood as well yes you may not know this

but she is the queen of pickles nicola good morning good morning good afternoon and welcome Good day.

I think I'm prefixed from saying good morning.

No, that's perfect.

For morning gravy.

Of course, yes.

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Good morning.

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I would furthermore like to be known as the queen of pickles.

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Well, you will be.

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Because I do love pickles that much.

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You do?

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But I'm like, I will take that.

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I have a bag that says pickle on it that I use for work.

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Oh.

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Like it's...

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Filled with pickles.

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Filled with pickles.

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Filled with brine.

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I'm constantly snacking, constantly.

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And this has been a childhood thing, or you've got it later in life, sort of?

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I think it's later in life.

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I think I would pick out flavours

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and knew I really liked them like a McDonald's burger

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when I was a kid that I was like I love something in it

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and I don't know what it was and then realised it was the gherkin

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and then realised I could put that flavour into anything so

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if I ever make a sandwich it will always have something pickled in it like rendita peppers

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and cornichons because it just like

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elevates it I think you're right well we have pickles we

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have an array of pickles for you to enjoy this morning

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I love some of it pickled I do well it's a

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salty palette I think we have well welcome Nicola it's so exciting

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that you're with us thank you for having me we've wanted

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you on for ages truly thank you you've been on our list of people

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that we need on dish thank you thank you for finally

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agreeing being here this morning finally finally yes welcome uh we've also got you a champagne

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because we heard you wanted a cheers cheers we wanted a

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very cold champagne i know women after our own heart you're ticking all my boxes cold drinks i have

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so many questions they're probably gonna be quite annoying

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but what is what would you say the best way to chill it is because i think

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because is it true that you can burn champagne and like

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if you put it in the freezer is

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that a real thing i don't know i know

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that from dynasty is it oh i don't know it's it's

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out of the line it's some yeah some very posh woman in some show

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that was like the champagne's burnt and sure the caviar isn't burnt i know i wouldn't know i wouldn't believe that

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i've never heard

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that i mean i have i don't normally chill it in

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the freezer unless i'm desperate you can get those um

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but you can get those freezer pouches you put in the freezer they're great

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or just say yeah yeah classic ways ice

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but always put a bit of salt in your water okay

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because that stops it defrosting so quickly that's very clever unless you're

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so into your party

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that you're putting your hand in the ice bucket to put ice into your thing

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which has been known we're gonna go through your likes

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and dislikes we want to know first of all what's in

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your fridge what are the essentials for non -negotiables i would

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say french's deli mustard yes um guindia pickles cornichons um kipi

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mayo kerry gold butter yes yeah semi -skinned milk i love iced coffee yeah

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so always have that always lots of ice i got a fridge with an ice maker in it

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and it's heaven yeah heaven i know they say it's better to drink like lukewarm water

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but just a really icy water is just the best a

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bar of chocolate i'm not i'm much more savory salty

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but like just like a one piece is like nice um

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and probably i will try and leave this very bougie i will try

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and leave i was really broke for all my 20s i've earned this right guys

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but i will try and leave a bottle of champagne in so like

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if you know you have someone over then it's always a

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bit chill yeah i think that's a classy move i think

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that's a good host unlike me who's running around to the local park we're going

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i think that's great i always like that when you see

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that in a tv show and someone's popped round or a movie

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and i open the fridge champagne's already chilled very ad fab yeah very very we love to see it

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but we heard you got a new double door fridge i

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did i since i was a kid i always wanted a like a lovely kitchen what's

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that about i always wanted one of them fridges i don't know what

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that is it's an american fridge it's really mega yeah

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because i love sauces condiments all that stuff

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and my fridge was just tiny and just didn't fit any proper food in it

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so i was like i'm gonna get a big double door fridge and it is amazing I open it, I'll just go, I love this fridge.

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It's just like, it's so mega.

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I was like, this is worth any hard work.

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I love it so much.

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Good times.

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Yeah.

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Are there any other kitchen things that you do rely on?

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A kitchen gadget?

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I love a kitchen gadget.

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I have, for years, and this is something I could have afforded and probably didn't, but a mandolin with like a stainless steel glove.

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Because I just think it makes everything look so classy.

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Yeah.

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And it's got a chip making function on it.

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Yes.

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I love the glove love the glove

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I'm so clumsy I have so many always cuts and that's the cooking one that's from Christmas dinner

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Christmas dinner for the first time this year and absolutely burnt myself

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but always not very good I have two chef's knives I would like to expand my collection

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but yeah I'm a terrible gadget person I have a robot hoover

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that I put on every night before I go to bed just

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so the floor will always be clean in the morning for the kitchen

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because i'm not very tired i will still

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and i really want robot hoover i feel like i got two dogs

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and one one attacks the regular hoover like pig does that

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and i'm like do you really have to be like the dog

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that attacks the hoover does he does he sleep in your

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room could do it at night just pop it on before you go to bed could do it

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and then you get up in the morning you go look at my lovely

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because i hate hoovering it's the most boring of the household

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tasks oh my god I'm just thinking of the massacre that Pig and Betty would do on a robot hoover.

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Destroying a robot hoover.

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It's just dead.

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Every time I have to pour in the other room, every time I hoover.

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That's the same.

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But they're not as noisy.

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And I think they kind of fear them a little.

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They're a bit like, respect them.

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Respect.

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There's a respect for a robot hoover.

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I have two.

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I have one for dancing with a prostitute.

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I love them.

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When I got my first good paycheck, that's the first thing I bought my mum.

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You need a robot hoover, mum i love that

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but she is obsessed yeah she's obsessed

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and she just talks to it a bit like it's like a friend

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but it's very cute and helpful yeah yeah yeah

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and let's do your food favorites the foods

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that you love uh pickles we've discussed uh roast dinners you're

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a fan of love i just think it's a perfect meal yes yeah it's perfect

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and my mom always sees because i go out for roasts quite often um

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but she's like what are you getting saying it's almost always the chicken

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but I just never get sick of it yeah same I

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just I think it's the safest bet out I think oh I think so

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because I think I can get the ick a little bit

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sometimes with like other meats I don't need a lot of other meats I'll eat beef

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but that can be very fatty and

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that since I was a kid it's not for you no

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but I love like you can do like the seasonal veg I had one in a pub on Sunday

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and it had just the most delicious cabbage in the world on it I love cabbage

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so much and it just yeah it's great

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and people don't like have them throughout the year you know it gets really crazy during winter time

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but i'm like a roast is good any time of year

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for me slightly changes it was a bit springy uh another

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of your loves a cheese toastie love a cheese toastie what's going on your are you a purist

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or do you add things to it i think there's certain foods

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that i'm like the fancy version is the best

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but cheese toast you're like the cheapest is the best yeah talking like soft white bread the squeezy one

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that you can tell there's loads of stuff in like american

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cheese slices oh the yellow yeah okay then i will use kerrigal

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because it's like the only butter i'll use but like i love

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that butter loyalty that's proper yeah yeah it's good

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but that's good it's good it is i'm a bit yeah

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i tart around on butters yeah squash it on the pan

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and yeah i lived with my friend you don't put a pickle in the cheese toastie

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so i thought you might do

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that no i i don't know i just like it plain

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there's certain things i think the things remind you of childhood

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like yeah we were talking about potato waffles just outside a few minutes ago

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and like they are so good yeah then with aromat's not

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so much a thing over here yeah have you even do

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you know it's sort of like a seasoned it's a savory

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seasoning right okay very salty there's like msg in it yeah

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but like that on um that on potato waffle oh it's

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so good uh other things that you love nicola uh

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that we found out with ceviche fresh salads soul anything potato based yes i I mean, this sounds like our sort of dream list too here.

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We also found out that you love bread.

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You love bread rolls at chowder and you've talked about how great Maltese bread is.

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Yes.

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Which we'd not heard of.

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No, I hadn't heard of it.

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It's impossible to get anywhere outside of Malta, to be honest.

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And when I did Erasmus there when I was 19 and we used to walk to this bake, because they used to bake it all through the night.

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And it was a bakery that like looked like it was from the time of Jesus.

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It was a hole in the wall.

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It was this like wood -fired oven and they just used to make loaves

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and loaves and it's very flat and round

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and this is quite dark on top it is yeah

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and it's very chewy yeah

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and what they like to do with it is like they they cut it in half

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and they rub tomatoes on it in olive oil like a little bit like punk on tomato

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but not as much tomato on it yeah and just like olive oil

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and salt and and it feels like

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because rebecca who works for me she's maltese oh okay

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and i text her i said what is this maltese bread Mm -hmm.

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She sent me a recipe because they make it in two stages.

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So you make like your base rye, if you like, your bigot dough, and then you add it to your flour the next day.

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But the thing is, it's that wooden oven that you talk about.

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That's what's going to give it all that crust and that beautiful flavour.

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It's absolutely delicious.

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Delicious.

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I'm going to get you some food.

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Oh, my God.

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Time.

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Oh, my God.

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Time, I know.

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Okay.

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I wanted to ask you about any guilty pleasures because you are a great fan of food and great stuff as well.

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Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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Is there anything that you're like, oh, I shouldn't be indulging in this, but I am.

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I feel like super noodles.

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Yeah.

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They are good, though.

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I do love super noodles.

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I'll try and add a bit to them so I'm not having complete girl dinner, no protein, no nourishment type thing.

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So sometimes I'll like crack an egg in the bowl and mix it up and pull the noodles through them.

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Yeah.

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You're like, I'm Andrew Lartner.

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Yeah, I'm a famous chef.

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Am I on MasterChef?

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Am I winning?

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Like, it's amazing.

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I'm winning MasterChef that and then some parmesan on it

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and some spring onions yes i'm like but that's quite tasty yeah

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because there's i think there's there's a lot of joy to be had in the high

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and low of food yes if you just like one kind i'm like no no

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but also like this is a thing not related to anything

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but my sister this is her favorite podcast by the way no way my sister

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when i told her

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that i was coming on it she freaked out she was

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like it's my favorite podcast she's like oh really excited

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and my mom doesn't know who anyone is

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but she knows who you are angela oh very excited i sometimes tell her I know

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that I'm working with people and just there's no, there's nothing but she knows who you are.

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Say hello to mom.

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I will, I will, she'll be thrilled.

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My parents were like quite strict when we were growing up.

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So we weren't like, it wasn't a big snacky house.

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You couldn't sort of just go and get food when you wanted it.

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But we would sneak from her bedroom

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and we would get some like white bread

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and we would roll it up into like this long thing and a glass of orange juice.

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And we'd go down to her room

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and just eat the like roll of white bread

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and have the orange juice but it was like such a treat for us that's what you're having today

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that's what we've got here today yeah we've got in touch

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with your sister it's going to be really special actually wouldn't be mad yeah you're like no no it's pretty good

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yeah no i really wanted to be allowed to cook as a kid

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and my mom was like if we wanted to bake with her

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when we do this she would literally hold your hand yeah

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and you're like this isn't fun not fun

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so i think now my siblings and i we all quite enjoy cooking

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because we're like don't have someone holding our wrist

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while we do it you know yeah always nice to cook with someone not controlling your legs yeah exactly

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but even still like um my mom i i got her a new kitchen was a thing

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that i got she always wanted one but now

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when i go home and i cook with her she's like don't mess up my kitchen

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and i'm like well

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when you cook things sometimes a mess happens she will stand behind me into a corner

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and start scooping things into the bin so we get in such arguments

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and I'm like you can't be behind me when I'm in here

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and it's just like not it's not the one

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and she's a very honest um reviewer right okay my food

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like it's always scary to try a new cooking thing with her

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because she wants it specific

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but then I started to cook um any green veg like

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just putting it in a pan with a tiny bit of water some butter

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and some lemon juice like to make like a little emulsion in it

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because i just think i hate

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when there's cold veg on a plate yeah like i just hate

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when there's a bit of weird sad broccoli and i'm like no

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but she enjoyed that yeah my mom as well one of the things

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that my i was my biggest problem yeah with eileen's fantastic

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cooking was the amount of time she'd boil things oh yeah get

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that broccoli body for like 45 minutes 100 my mom makes

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me laugh bless her every time she watches a lot of cooking shows

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but every time she sees any chef cook lamb I know I can, I'm waiting for her to say, she goes, that's too pink.

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I just said, every single time.

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She's like, that's too pink.

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I wouldn't like that now.

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And I'm like, I know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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My one does the exact same.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like watching a professional chef on TV.

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She's like, that's, that's wrong.

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Yeah, she's like, you're gonna give them all food.

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That's undercooked, they're all gonna die.

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We also have some of your dislikes.

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Pork, lamb, goat's cheese.

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No, not together.

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It's a nightmare ghost cheese is just i think it's disgusting oh

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but is it textural maybe no no no no no it's the taste it tastes like like manure

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or something too i'm just like it's very farmyardy yeah also

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beetroot no beetroot tastes like moles to me wow i just

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can't be dealing yeah okay uh you've previously said anything marzipany

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can get out of my life did i say something you did say

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that i do stand by it

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but it's a very intense way of a very intense way of talking about marzipan On the drinks front for likes, we have cold champagne.

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Yes.

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Temperature, okay.

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Temperature, perfection.

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But it's a no to a coffee?

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I have coffee, but decaf.

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I'm not great with caffeine.

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I can have one like shaky shake, heart race.

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I'm very sensitive to it.

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So my friends, I went on holiday.

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My friend.. have you ever met jonathan van ness yes yes he's a very good friend of mine yeah

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and we went on holiday together and he was like why don't you like mornings

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and he was like oh you don't have caffeine that's oh

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that was just like you know yeah he's up at six like bouncing dancing

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and i'm like yeah see you at lunch yeah it takes me a

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while do you wake up like

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or do you wake up just like naturally always since i

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was a child yeah always are you well you have to

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be a morning person i uh yeah i think i am

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i don't want to say i am i don't think no

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that's fine you can that's great i'm happy for you thanks

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nicola yeah me sometimes says like you have the job you deserve

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because oh well i wake up like

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and he's all like he's snoozy i wish i was

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when i was a child this is terrible i don't know why my parents allowed this

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but i hated the morning so much

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that i am i just didn't want like the big light on

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so i remember one morning my dad bringing a lamp in

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from the living room youngest child can you tell to like

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put to have softer light in the morning i'm like you shouldn't have allowed this oh

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because now in the morning i'm like no everything's

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so bright yes it's a lot bring a lamp in please i know i know please yeah the food's arrived

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and talk us through what we've got here range yes

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so we've got a chipotle um lime roast chicken sorry short arms

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and legs with um quick pickled onions served with um smash roast jersey royals

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so tell us how you made this chicken and what is the process

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so this is delicious thank you so yummy

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so you mix together your chipotle paste that's already made uh from waitrose um sour cream garlic coriander leaves

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and juice of one lime mix all that together

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and then you go under the breast of the chicken

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so sort of between the breast and the skin under the skin

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and just sort of stuff it all into the chicken talk me through

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that because i i've never actually done that

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because i just think oh i feel a bit oh

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so talk us through is there a pro tip i mean

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the thing is you're literally it comes away naturally right you know

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so you literally lift the first sort of piece of the skin

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and you just gently push your thumb or finger through to open it up

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and what i did was i opened up

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and then spooned all the liquid in

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because it was quite liquidy the marinade put it through there

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and then with my thumb just massaged it round

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so it spread evenly across the breast anything left i spread over all the chicken i used the lime

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that was left

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because i juiced one line put it through inside the chicken along with the stalks from the coriander

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and then you roast for about an hour

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and 20 minutes put it into a roasting tin add a couple of spoons of water

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so that as it starts to give off all its juices it mixes with the water

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and that forms your base

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and then that's all the sauce you've got here you see as well that's good it's delicious

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and then we're serving it with this lovely quick pickled onions

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which are basically sliced red onions added some lime juice i added a little bit of sugar

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and some salt and a little bit of white wine vinegar as well you know

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but you can make it with just salt and lime juice

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and red onions it's really really delicious it's really fresh

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that is a juicy chicken going under the skin under the

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skin um you know it i covered it slightly with foil at the beginning just

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so it keeps moist and it steams a little bit

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and then take the foil off halfway through

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so then it really roasts all together it's really delicious it's

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so juicy and tasty and yeah and there's like a little red onion

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and tomato salsa there yeah this this is really good and

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so it's just red onion sliced cooked down really slowly not

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slowly for about 12 minutes till they really cook down

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and they're soft yeah then you add garlic into their chopped garlic

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and you also add tinned tomatoes

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and i also added a little bit of chipotle chili into there as well

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and then cook that until you have this nice thick paste

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so good it's really really and garlic goes in the marinade as well in the chicken

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so garlic everywhere you can feel it yeah

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and then you've done sort of a smashed roast jersey royal

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they're really good i love a little mini smash what was your process okay

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so this is a recipe by check number can

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and then it's just jersey royals boiled until they're cooked um drain them well

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and then you mix them with olive oil butter fresh coriander leaves

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and some finely chopped chili

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and toss it all in together then into a roasting tin into a hot oven

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and you roast them for about 35 to 40 minutes

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and there you have

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so you've got roasted little coriander there's a lot of coriander here for someone doesn't like coriander

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but i've done this for you nicola thank you

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because people who don't like coriander really hate it yeah they

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do it's all right i love a big fan i'm a big fan i'll make the sacrifice thank you angela

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and we're serving it with a number one level alberino

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if you'd like some white wine

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or would you like some more champagne sure i never say

478

no yeah i mean sure sure why not sorry thank you this is really good

479

if you want to try this recipe or get the ingredients or get the wine the albarino you can go on

480

waitrose .com forward slash dish recipes

481

so go on there and you can find all the information everything's there

482

Angela has also done a step -by -step how -to video, which you can get if you go and follow us on Instagram and YouTube.

483

I had to watch your sex scene with my niece.

484

Why?

485

Because it was on Gogglebox.

486

You never want to watch it with your family.

487

No. Absolutely not.

488

Definitely not if you're in it.

489

No. That's for sure.

490

Like, no way.

491

Should we talk about Big Mood?

492

Yeah, let's talk about it.

493

Let's talk about this.

494

So a brand new series of Big Mood.

495

Big Mood 2.

496

If anyone's not seen Big Mood, fill us in

497

because it's such a brilliant show and it's been so loved

498

and and received so well

499

and it was a huge hit i know the first series

500

for for channel four yeah it was the most watched channel

501

four show since dairy girls wow yeah what's the common thread i know i'm like i'm like please tell

502

that to casting directors please keep hiring me so i can keep getting my gas bill thanks so much

503

but yeah it's a comedy

504

that then morphs into a drama in some ways like i

505

think my character maggie is a playwright who has bipolar disorder

506

it was written by one of my best friends camilla whitel i've known her 17 years this year

507

which is crazy i think we always wanted to work together

508

we met at drama school she was training as an actor left was like i hate this

509

and i want to cover myself in tattoos

510

and dye my hair mad colors which is harder to do if you're an actor yeah and she

511

wrote a short play in this like small competition and it was

512

so funny and brilliant and i was like oh she's going to be a famous writer

513

that completely makes sense

514

and then yeah we always wanted to do something together yeah

515

it was one of those jobs where i never sort of agreed to do it it just morphed and happened

516

and yeah i just i've loved being part of it it's

517

a really special show it's you know my character has bipolar disorder

518

and it's not it's not a show about bipolar disorder

519

but it certainly examines it i think in a really interesting way

520

because it's through the lens of comedy so you're never making fun of it

521

but you see how much it complicates her life

522

and it does sort of bring up these ridiculous situations at times

523

but we've had amazing feedback from the first series of people

524

that have had bipolar work with someone

525

that has it married to someone with bipolar

526

that said it was like a really true reflection they felt

527

and they'd not seen it so much on tv

528

which was incredible feedback but yeah so it's a comedy

529

that deals with very tough things so it gets gets dark definitely yeah

530

but i think it does it in such a good way and i think

531

like you say it's not the focus of the show it's more about friendship

532

and how you guys interact with each other

533

and um i also love how it's about how friendships can maybe like unravel

534

or shape shift over the years you know

535

because it's like the person you're the most honest with

536

so you know your best friend

537

and as you grow up with someone yeah you change you

538

all have different parts of things going on in your life

539

so you you know it's reacting to that isn't it

540

and it's yeah and it's a funny time i think they've just entered into their 30s

541

and they're trying to figure one another out and trying to heal

542

and become the best versions of ourselves

543

and whatever instagram tells us we need to be doing they're trying to do

544

that and really butting heads against one another

545

but yeah it's a gorgeous cast like lydia west who's just yeah she's the sweetest human lover yeah

546

and it's like a show that i think is um i don't know is

547

that it feels really fresh in the way it manages to be serious

548

and yeah heartfelt i'm really funny and we're saying like just

549

so honest it's such an honest writing isn't it it's not

550

like ridiculous no it sort of it feels very true to certain people i know

551

and like that part of london and yeah someone said it's an extremely millennial show

552

and i'm like it it really is

553

when you did the first series you were doing it at the same time as shooting bridgerton yeah

554

so you were doing bridgerton and big mood at the same time

555

which is such a i imagine a stretch of two different parts of your brain

556

and your abilities how did how did you do that

557

and what was the schedule was it some were you sometimes doing it day by day

558

or we did bridgerton it was it's an eight month shoot generally a bridgerton season

559

so it was at the end of it we started to overlap

560

so i did let's say a full week on bridgerton then

561

a full week on big mood then the weekend bridgerton

562

so i just felt i didn't know my arse from my elbow honestly for that time

563

but i also deep down i was like this is what you want to be doing though you are

564

so lucky you'll be tired for right now

565

and i did sort of it's funny

566

because i say to people oh i cried a lot people

567

go oh my god i go no look crying's not bad

568

yeah crying is just a release of what's inside you

569

and it's your body going i'm really tired

570

and i want to stop it you're going no just come on just push through push through

571

and yeah it was all worth it i'm delighted yeah oh yeah i like

572

that you had the outlook

573

and i could have a word for yourself yeah no this

574

is this is yeah i think crying is a good it's

575

a good thing it's important to let the tears out sometimes

576

and it's not always bad you know there's a final time 100 yeah

577

and i'd never led a show before let alone two

578

and i thought you are so lucky right now to be doing both these jobs

579

and was it always what you wanted to do

580

when you were younger yeah from what age do you think you realized you wanted to act four

581

or five i would say my sister taped the wizard of oz on tv

582

and i watched it and i thought i want to do

583

that i didn't know what it was but i thought

584

that is for me yeah because it just seemed like magic and i would

585

rewatch it and become obsessive

586

and just it just was everything i think it felt it felt like real life magic

587

which it really can feel like sometimes getting to step into another person's shoes

588

and travel to a magical land

589

or know what it's like to live in the past like all of

590

that stuff i love there's a moment on set when it

591

because i mean sets can be huge like the bridgerton set is enormous there's hundreds

592

and hundreds of people that work on that show

593

but where they ring a bell in the studio

594

and everyone goes completely quiet and we all just get into a scene and you're like

595

there's something special to me about a bunch of grown -ups agreeing

596

that we're making this world yeah and it does feel like something special

597

and i'm very distractible adhd but in

598

that moment i think my brain just goes

599

and i can really lock in

600

and i just it does feel like magic i love it yeah

601

when i said to my mom you were coming on yeah

602

my mom was like oh i love her oh yeah love her in bridgetown yeah um

603

and she was very excited you were coming on

604

and i wanted to ask you to share what happens with your mum

605

and bridgetown because wasn't it part of the deal

606

that you got a special cook yeah i thought i had

607

a deal where i was like i don't i want a

608

special cut of it without any of the sexy bits yes

609

so i can watch it with my mom yeah

610

and they were like no one gets that yeah like you can do

611

that yeah yeah you can do it yourself like on you know final cut pro but we're not doing

612

come on netflix but yeah

613

because then other people started messaging me like how did you get

614

that i'm like i didn't i didn't i did the nightmare

615

for them can you cut this bit out no i get

616

told off by my mom quite a lot like i am like even

617

when she first watched dairy girls there was a lot of swearing in it she was like

618

and i was like i didn't even write it

619

and then the first episode of bridgerton i tried to get her to watch

620

because i had the episodes before it came out

621

and then about two

622

and a half minutes in is the first bare bottom Johnny Bailey's lovely bottom

623

but she was like she's like I don't know why they're doing

624

that because she thought it was Downton Abbey

625

and I was like it's not quite

626

that like it's kind of something she was like why is

627

that why is that happening why is that

628

but then now she's like she loves it so much

629

and yeah she gets very excited

630

and we just had season four just had season four

631

and there's going to be a season five season five it started filming already

632

so I'm I won't be in it very much

633

but like I'm always happy to come back I think it's

634

such it's a genuinely lovely job to come back to

635

but like i have it so good now

636

because i come in for a few days i'm like yay

637

how is everyone i'm like i'll see you in two months bye like they're working super super hard

638

and i'm just like coming back it just it's lovely yeah actually speaking of the family

639

and the sex scenes we had to watch your sexy i had to watch your sex scene with my niece

640

because we it was on goggle box so we were watching it

641

and it was like the scene on the chaise lounge yeah

642

that scene and me and live and me and me and liver i mean my niece is 31.

643

yeah but me and liver always like i know it's still a bit embarrassing yeah you still yeah

644

so yeah you never want to watch it with your family no absolutely not if you're in it No, that's not true.

645

Like, no way.

646

No, I think I avoided that because we did a second premiere

647

and there was a screening in Galway where I'm from

648

and my mum was there and my sister and lots of family friends.

649

But like, they were watching it in a screen and I got to leave and I was like, enjoy, bye!

650

You don't want to watch it with them.

651

You don't want to watch it with them.

652

I wanted to ask you something which I really loved that you talked about in an interview you did with Harper's Bazaar.

653

And the quote is that you said that you have a face that says, please come and sit beside me on public transport i just give off

654

that energy yeah i love that quote yeah it's true does that happen

655

that people like people come up to me like oh my

656

god people used to ask me for directions all the time i actually don't have a bad sense of direction

657

but also i looked like a child for like a really long time

658

so i was like i don't think i would ask a

659

child like how do i get you know to the shop

660

but whenever actors go i'm shy you're like you're not shy i do quite i think one -on -one

661

and i'm like i very much have that divide of like

662

if i'm forming i'm performing you can look at it

663

and then i step away i'm like don't look at me

664

i'm not doing anything interesting i want to go yeah privacy definitely

665

that must be hard to have dealt with you know yes

666

when you think about dairy girls the fame it must have brought you well it was funny

667

because that was weirdly sort of manageable in a way

668

because it was a show that people went really love it

669

and you go oh thanks yeah and then

670

when bridgeton was coming out i was like oh well i know what that's like

671

and then that the numbers of that were unfathomable

672

so then coming out to the world again post -covid yeah

673

was like a lot i was like oh this is like much bigger than i sort of understood yeah

674

and then season three which i was the lead of was like yeah a lot of stuff

675

and you're like oh i don't want all of this actually i think

676

if you really wanted that i'm like you'd be mad yeah like i think like

677

and also i think that attention is better given to pop stars I'm not being facetious in any way or like, and I think there's a real place for celebrities as celebrity, genuinely.

678

Because I think human beings, we're inherently nosy.

679

We want to know what's going on.

680

But I'm like, actors are the worst for that.

681

Because you need to watch us as other people.

682

So you don't need to know what I'm doing.

683

None of that's interesting.

684

I think celebrities, reality TV, people that show you.

685

That's a sort of smart way to live your life, I think.

686

Yeah, definitely.

687

With those boundaries.

688

Otherwise, you feel public property.

689

Definitely, but people sort of feel like they are anyway.

690

Like they see a paparazzi picture of you and they go, why did you do that?

691

And you're like, well, I didn't know what was happening.

692

so that's the first part of that um but yeah it's definitely it's it's a tricky one because i think

693

a man in the industry like a male actor is able to have a lot more mystique

694

and go well i don't want to answer questions

695

but as a woman you're expected to give a little bit more right of yourself

696

so it's a very tricky and also

697

if you're like an open book person it's quite hard to be like no no don't ask me

698

that yeah yeah i can't tell you if i like pickles

699

or not like i'm a mysterious yeah very i'm gonna become mysterious now yeah how do you do it

700

because like something like dairy girls was huge like you say

701

but then bridgeton i think answers a different dimension

702

because then you have like you know my mom in her eighties been like i love nicola cockley yeah

703

so you've got like basically everyone everyone everyone and i think

704

when she knows who someone is like you're famous yeah

705

but not like straight men not like dads

706

because my my brother in law is a huge football fan

707

so i took him to an arsenal game

708

and i was like completely anonymous i was like this is where i need to go

709

if i want to let your fan chill night just you

710

know the dish team rarely miss you know a chance for word play all right

711

and we're marking the return of big mood yeah okay we

712

so food yeah see what's going to happen here um we're

713

going to read some moods to you you tell us the food for

714

that mood okay it's big food big food yeah big food season two um okay

715

so we'll give you a scenario um

716

and then just tell us what sort of food

717

that puts you in the mood for um

718

so a night in a tent camping under the stars oh would you do

719

that nicola i have done many years ago on the iron islands

720

which are off the coast yeah oh i don't think i'm

721

a natural tent girly right i have a lot of respect

722

for indoor plumbing yeah i think that's a really wonderful thing

723

so i haven't been to a festival in many years i'm

724

like i need to know the nearest bathroom is yeah do

725

you know what i mean yeah oh what would be nice

726

i feel like barbecue yeah i love a barbecue i don't eat pork

727

but like a chicken sausage yeah in a roll

728

and all like the burnty bits get stuck to the bread

729

let's go camping yeah let's do it yeah yeah yeah the

730

morning after a big night at the local pub it's a really weird thing

731

that used to always make my hangovers feel better were um

732

fruit pastel ice lollies oh oh they're just sort of magic

733

i don't know they're just like it's just like pure sugar probably

734

but it's cold and refreshing but they're very good

735

but i eat them quite weird i have to like bite

736

them layer by layer i do bite ice cream that's something people really hate

737

so layer by layer layer by layer okay that's interesting you were like right right no i like

738

that they're specific i like

739

that it's not like fried eggs it's a layer by layer fruit pasta yeah let's do a dinner party

740

that you're hosting uh round yours yeah five

741

or six friends okay plus me

742

and angela okay yeah um it's a friday night that's the

743

mood what's the food i really yeah i do love mexican

744

because i feel like it's like this lots of little bowls

745

of things bits everyone can make their own little version so i like to do chicken tacos and

746

season them up well cook them in on stainless steel get a nice little sear on them

747

and then i deglaze the pan with some orange juice

748

and then pour it on top in a little lime

749

and nice and fresh and then i remember one time this is

750

so tragic cooking chicken tacos and beef tacos slow -cooked beef

751

and bringing them to my friend camilla's house who i've talked about

752

so much who i don't live with just to say again yeah

753

but i brought them to her house and got out of the car

754

and dropped both parts on the ground i will tell you the foxes

755

and walthamstow had the best day and i made the um i'd made the tortillas

756

and everything which was too much i do too much

757

a lot okay

758

so a lunch time during a shift at the opticians oh

759

tell us why yes i worked at an opticians in galway

760

i couldn't even get a full -time job in galway doing

761

anything there was no work going went for an eye test

762

and they were like we need someone two days a week

763

i was like i'm your girl yeah i'll do it what's

764

that i used to get i think i used to get like a lot of like burritos

765

and stuff like that or

766

or like bring in i love a wrap yeah bring in like a nice wrap with salad

767

or stuff like

768

that i love your life in the optician yeah i've never

769

actually there's a crazy story i've never told before go on tell us i can tell you okay

770

so a lot of people that come in are quite elderly yeah right

771

so you would look on you know their form and ring and be like Like, hello, Jan is due his eye test.

772

And then Jan's widow would be like, My husband died and he'd be like, oh, this is absolutely horrible.

773

It happened to me enough times that I was like, I can't do this anymore.

774

I need to figure out a system.

775

So in Ireland, there is a website.

776

It's my mom's favorite website.

777

It's called RIP .ie.

778

I'm not making any of this up.

779

She's on it.

780

It's the only website she knows how to go on on her phone because she goes, OK, Google, RIP .ie.

781

so it's the death notices which you also should have in this country

782

because how do you know if someone dies yeah how do you know

783

if someone's dead exactly yeah so what i started to do was

784

if i saw someone's date of birth yeah

785

that was a little bit older into the past yeah i

786

would go i'm gonna put them into rip .a yeah

787

and i'm gonna so i put up in their details

788

and then if they had passed away i would print the page

789

and i would staple it onto the thing and i'd put it in the back office.

790

However, there's a second part to this story.

791

We got a lot of nuns coming in, right?

792

So it'd be like Sister Ignatius, born 1932.

793

And I started kind of then in my head going, guessing if people were dead.

794

Just being honest, that's what I did.

795

So it's like 1972, I don't think so, okay.

796

RIP .ie, Ignatius, they were always alive.

797

Nuns are immortal.

798

So I would call up the Abbey, be like, hello, just to let you know Sister Ignatius is due for her eye test.

799

And Sister Ignatius will come in promptly the next week.

800

They never put it off.

801

Because you ring men and they're like, yeah, I'll do it in two months.

802

You're like, well, you shouldn't be coming in now, macular degeneration is a real problem.

803

The nuns would come in, they would get the fanciest glasses, they would be like, I will have the Gucci's, I will have the slimmed down lenses, I will have the blue light protection.

804

true story yeah it's quite a fun job yeah really fun

805

job what was your oldest nun do you think they were

806

so old yeah but they would come in

807

but they had no stress yeah

808

and i was like there's something we need to study this

809

understand what they were like they're married to jesus yeah they

810

are wearing comfortable shoes yeah they're not dealing with day -to -day life no it is

811

and also like no outfit choices yeah yeah they know what

812

they're wearing every day yeah they're like outfit of the day a habit like yeah right i love

813

that so i think before we do fast food quiz we'll do a little little sweetness oh yes

814

so a little frero did the ambassador said he's especially the

815

ambassador these are especially rolled i made them for the ambassador

816

he said you know he said you can have them back

817

are you allowed can you have one can they've got gluten

818

gluten in it yeah oh my god they've got a qr code on them now

819

i don't know how i feel about that they're still

820

so fancy to me they are fancy i've always felt they're

821

fancy oh it just takes to the website yeah of course

822

it does what else did you think it was i've never been eating a ferrero

823

and god i wish i was on their website yeah they

824

do an ice cream would i like yeah they do a giant one i love a raffaello as well

825

which is like the white frere with them yeah the coconut

826

and it's really good tips

827

and ideas how to reuse your frere rocher box you could

828

turn it into a light box i would love to come around to your house

829

and you turn the frere rocher box into a lamp i might have done is

830

that the frere rocher lamp nicola cocklone it is time for

831

your fast food quiz quick fire don't overthink this where are

832

you going i thought it the other one okay it's the wrong question no okay i was like off i'm off

833

uh nicola tell us your favorite way to eat eggs eggs

834

uh fried currently okay favorite form of potato roast uh what

835

is your favorite herb coriander oh did she miss the most

836

when you're away from home oh um curry chips name the

837

best crisp the tato's salt vinegar yeah yeah what's your favorite kitchen utensil do you love my mandolin

838

because i feel really chefy

839

and cool yeah uh what's the best pickled thing best pickle

840

thing the cornichons yeah okay what's your favorite pasta dish um

841

lemon pasta then hotel chelsea in new york this is

842

so fancy yeah but like i'm not a crazy pasta person

843

but it's lemon and parmesan and it's just oh yes really amazing

844

favorite beverage hot or cold sometimes just i can't believe how good water is

845

do you have it you're like oh my god this is good but

846

when it's like a really cold like sometimes like loading up

847

i am one of those emotional support water bottle people

848

and you're sipping your lungs this is amazing yeah yeah yeah yeah

849

we come to the end of the show question oh wow

850

for your chance to win this waitrose goodie bag okay all you've got to do is answer this question

851

is it about pickles i don't know okay lots of stuff

852

in there hi nicola thank you for making dreams come true

853

and joining us on dish that's very nice to win the

854

waitress goodie wag we have one question in your opinion what

855

time is the right time to eat dinner yes what's the time i always end up eating later

856

because i faff and try and do too many things but i think

857

seven oh seven i think seven yes realistic

858

if i say half six it's not really right it's not

859

gonna happen yeah sometimes i i'm shocked by the time

860

when i finish cooking i'm like it's 9 p .m yeah

861

i'm not spanish i can't pull this off i think i think it's seven i think seven's quite good

862

seven yeah what about you i'll go for seven i appreciate

863

that i think

864

when you're going into eight nine yeah yeah it's too late yeah my mom will always say like

865

if i'm coming home from set

866

because I mean every day is different the times change

867

and she's like it's very late she's like well you really

868

don't need dinner now she's like it's very late I'm like yeah but I've worked

869

exactly I always like when my mom I don't know

870

if your mom does this I feel like she may

871

if she has lunch out she won't have any dinner she's

872

like well we won't need dinner will we oh yeah yeah

873

that's a big thing yeah what are you on about yeah I do

874

that when I'm on holiday like

875

when I was away recently we sort of had lunch we were like don't need dinner yeah

876

because you're on the own

877

so i'm sure why wouldn't she um well 7 p .m

878

is what we're going for that's official now yeah um nicola

879

the goody bag is yours thank you very much thank you so much for joining So lovely and delicious.

880

Thank you very much.

881

Thank you, Anne.

882

Round of applause, Nicola Coughlin, everybody.

883

Thank you very much.

884

Thank you, Nicola.

885

Thank you so much.

886

That was so nice to hang.

887

That was so lovely.

888

And that was so delish.

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אוצר מילים והערות הגייה לשיעור הזה

שיעור הדיבור הזה ברמה B2 מבוסס על הסרטון “Nicola Coughlan LOVES pickles”. בסרטון הזה יש 888 משפטים ו-9823 מילים לתרגול Shadowing. הדיבור נמשך 46:34. הדובר מדבר מהר, כ-211 מילים בדקה, אז צפו לצלילים מחוברים ומקוצרים. רק 81% מהמילים נמצאות בין 3,000 המילים הנפוצות ביותר באנגלית, כך שאוצר המילים מאתגר.

אוצר מילים מרכזי בסרטון הזה

15 המילים המתקדמות ביותר בסרטון, עם ההגייה והמשמעות שלהן:

מילה	הגייה	משמעות
coriander שם עצם	/ˈkɔ.ɹiˌæn.dɚ/	כֻּסְבָּרָה, גָּד
onion שם עצם	/ˈʌn.jən/	בָּצָל
potato שם עצם	/pəˈteɪ.təʊ/	תַּפּוּחַ אֲדָמָה, בּוּלְבּוּס
champagne שם עצם	/ʃæmˈpeɪn/	שַׁמְפַּנְיָה
pasta שם עצם	/ˈpɑ.stə/	פַּסְטָה
garlic שם עצם	/ˈɡɑɹlɪk/	שׁוּם
tomato שם עצם	/təˈmeɪ.toʊ/	עַגְבָנִיָּה, בַּדּוּרָה
lamp שם עצם	/ˈlæ̝mp/	מְנוֹרָה
olive שם עצם	/ˈɑ.lɪv/	זַיִת
dairy שם עצם	/ˈdɛə.ɹi/	מוצרי חלב
nun שם עצם	/nʌn/	נְזִירָה
freezer שם עצם	/ˈfɹizɚ/	מַקְפִּיא
gadget שם עצם	/ɡæd͡ʒ.ɪt/	גאדג׳ט, גַּדְגֶ׳ט
madeleine שם עצם	/ˈmædələn/	עוּגִיַּת מָדְלֶן, מָדְלֶן
noodle שם עצם	/ˈnu.dəl/	אִטְרִיָּה

Phrasal verbs שתשמעו

מילה	הגייה	משמעות
wake up פועל	/ˌweɪk ˈʌp/	התעורר
come back פועל		שָׁב
come out פועל	/ˌkʌm ˈaʊt/	יָצָא
figure out פועל		הֵבִין, מצא תשובה
grow up פועל		גָּדַל
pass away פועל		נִפְטַר, הָלַךְ לְעוֹלָמוֹ

משפטים שכדאי לחזור עליהם

משפטים קצרים ושלמים מהסרטון שאפשר להשתמש בהם בשיחה יומיומית:

I don't think I'm a natural tent girly.
How are we going to cook them today?
I think I'm prefixed from saying good morning.
I think it's later in life.
Are there any other kitchen things that you do rely on?

דקדוק בסרטון הזה

המבנים שהדובר משתמש בהם הכי הרבה, עם המילים המדויקות מהסרטון:

מבנה	בסרטון
“Used to” used to + verb — הרגל או מצב שהיה נכון בעבר וכבר לא קיים	used to walk · used to ask · used to always make
משפטי תנאי (Conditional sentences) if + clause, will/would + verb — תנאי ותוצאה שלו	if she has lunch out she won't have
הווה מושלם (Present perfect) have/has + past participle — פעולה שקרתה בעבר ועדיין יש לה חשיבות או השפעה עכשיו	has done · we've wanted · she's been
סביל (Passive voice) be + past participle — הדגש הוא על מה שקורה, לא על מי שעושה את הפעולה	is packed · can be named · be known

הגייה ששווה לשים לב אליה

הדובר משתמש ב-320 קיצורים וצורות מקוצרות, כמו I'm, don't, you're. אמרו אותם בצורה הקצרה, כפי שאתם שומעים אותם.

הצלילים של “th”: thrill /θɹɪl/, thumb /ˈθʌm/
הצלילים של “sh” ו-“zh”: champagne /ʃæmˈpeɪn/, cornichon /kɔɹ.nɪ.ʃɔn/, smash /smæʃ/, squash /skwɔʃ/, perfection /pɚˈfɛk.ʃən/
מילים ארוכות — שימו לב להטעמה: coriander /ˈkɔ.ɹiˌæn.dɚ/, genuinely /ˈd͡ʒɛn.ju.ɪn.li/, mysterious /mɪˈstɪɹi.əs/

צלילים שדוברי עברית מתקשים בהם:

/w/ — שפתיים מעוגלות, לא /v/: squash /skwɔʃ/, quiz /kwɪz/
/æ/ — פתוח יותר מה-“אֶ” העברית, לא כמו “a” ב-“cup”: coriander /ˈkɔ.ɹiˌæn.dɚ/, champagne /ʃæmˈpeɪn/, lamp /ˈlæ̝mp/, gadget /ɡæd͡ʒ.ɪt/, madeleine /ˈmædələn/
/r/ — הלשון לא נוגעת בשום מקום, לא ה-“ר” הגרונית: roast /ɹoʊst/, coriander /ˈkɔ.ɹiˌæn.dɚ/, garlic /ˈɡɑɹlɪk/, dairy /ˈdɛə.ɹi/, freezer /ˈfɹizɚ/

איך לתרגל עם הסרטון הזה

הקשיבו לכל הסרטון פעם אחת בלי לדבר, ורשמו את המילים שאתם לא מכירים.
התחילו במהירות 0.75×, תרגלו Shadowing משפט אחר משפט, וחזרו למהירות רגילה כשזה מרגיש קל.
הקליטו את עצמכם והשוו למקור, תוך תשומת לב למילים כמו coriander, onion, potato.

מהי טכניקת השאדואינג?

שאדואינג היא טכניקת למידת שפה מבוססת מדע שפותחה במקור להכשרת מתורגמנים מקצועיים ופופולרית על ידי הפוליגלוט ד"ר אלכסנדר ארגואלס. השיטה פשוטה אך עוצמתית: אתה מקשיב לאודיו באנגלית ילידית וחוזר עליו בקול רם מיד — כמו צל העוקב אחרי הדובר עם עיכוב של 1–2 שניות בלבד. בניגוד להאזנה פסיבית או תרגילי דקדוק, שאדואינג מכריח את המוח והשרירים בפה לעבד ולשחזר דפוסי דיבור אמיתיים בו זמנית. מחקרים מראים שזה משפר משמעותית את דיוק ההגייה, האינטונציה, הקצב, הדיבור המחובר, הבנת השמיעה ושטף הדיבור — מה שהופך אותו לאחת השיטות היעילות ביותר להכנה לIELTS Speaking ולתקשורת באנגלית בעולם האמיתי.

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אוצר מילים והערות הגייה לשיעור הזה

אוצר מילים מרכזי בסרטון הזה

Phrasal verbs שתשמעו

משפטים שכדאי לחזור עליהם

דקדוק בסרטון הזה

הגייה ששווה לשים לב אליה

איך לתרגל עם הסרטון הזה

מהי טכניקת השאדואינג?