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So many times I have people that are reaching out to me and saying, hey, I am preparing for this conversation that I have at work.

at the office, I have this interview, I need to fire an employee, I need to try and ask for a raise,

I have to have this hard conversation with my spouse or my child or whatever it is.

And every time...

Deep down, it's a plea for help of knowing I am afraid.

That's what I hear.

It's fear.

It's fear from everyone saying, "I'm nervous about this." Newsflash, I get nervous about conversations too.

If you're not getting nervous, let me just put that disclaimer out there.

If you're not feeling nervous about a conversation, then you don't care about the conversation.

So I want you to understand that when you feel nervous and you're going, "Why do I have this pit in my stomach?" Take that as joy.

Count it as joy that you actually care about what you're going to say.

You care about the person, you care about that conversation.

If you didn't care, you wouldn't really worry at all about your words.

You wouldn't worry about their interaction or the reaction from them.

So understand when you have that nervous pit in your stomach there, We're going to use that as good.

All right, we're going to use that as good.

And we're going to talk about that in this episode.

So how do you best prepare for this conversation.

And I say this conversation because I'm talking to you.

We're talking about the very conversation you know that you need to be having that is weighing.

on you that you are avoiding, that every time you think about it, it keeps you up at night.

you lose track of what you're doing.

All of a sudden, your thoughts go out of focus because you're so worried about this conversation.

This is a conversation we're gonna be talking about.

Here's how I want you to start preparing for it.

You ready?

Number one, name your goal before your emotions do.

Set your goal for what you want the conversation to be.

and how you want it to turn out before your emotions do.

If you go into a conversation and you don't have a goal, You are...

Losing.

And I don't say that in terms of a win -loss type of situation.

I'm saying you are setting yourself up for failure if you don't have a goal.

That is like me saying, hey, you want to jump in the car with me real quick?

And you go, okay, where are we going?

I have no clue.

No idea, but I'm going to spend 45 minutes of us just kind

of wandering around until I decide where I might want to park.

You go, you're crazy.

If I want to go on a flight.

And you said, where are you going?

I go, you know what?

I don't really know.

It wouldn't make sense.

You need to have a destination.

You have to have a destination for what is the end result.

So you start backwards.

How do you prepare for a difficult, stressful conversation?

You start backwards at the very end of it.

All right, you start at the very end.

What do I want them to know?

So if you can right now, I want you to get a piece of paper out, maybe a Word document, a Google document, whatever it is.

And I want you to write down goal.

and then put a colon.

What is my goal for this conversation?

If you don't know the goal, you're lost.

You're lost because the other person is going to be looking to you of, Where are we going?

What is what do you want?

Ever had anybody say, what's your point?

Where are you going with this?

That's exactly what it is because you're not telling them you're not informing them of your destination.

I And that leaves both of you absolutely clueless.

When you write down your goal, meaning I want them to...

hear me.

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I want them to understand me.

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I want them to do this, or I need to feel this.

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Yeah.

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It's going to help clarify what your standard is.

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If your goal is for them to change their mind, That's going to be very difficult.

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If your goal is for them to apologize to you, that's probably the wrong goal.

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It is has to be some the goal has to be something that you can control.

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You can't control if they're going to apologize or say that you're right or that everything they believe in is wrong.

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You have to set a goal that you can control.

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That has to do with you understanding what's happening, you feeling more...

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Like you have a better solid footing in the conversation.

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You getting to say the thing that you've always wanted to say.

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You see, these are words that are coming from you, not what you're expecting them to say.

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Having a goal is so critical.

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It sounds basic.

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It is basic, it is extremely difficult.

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to have the right goal.

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What happens a lot of the time is

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you have something in your head about how the conversation should go And then you get into the conversation and you realize, wait, this isn't happening.

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Have you ever been into a conversation and you realize, "Wait, wait, wait, no, no, this isn't how it's supposed to happen.

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I was going to say this and then you were supposed to apologize because that's how I rehearsed it in my head.

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This is where you say how wrong you are, how you finally are seeing the light.

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That's never going to happen." If it does,

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congratulations go get a lottery ticket because that's going to be extremely rare conversations rarely go how they go.

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in your head.

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That's just not the way the world works.

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So you need to write down your goal.

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What?

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Do you want from them?

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What do you want? for you.

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Basic goal.

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A very basic goal.

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Maybe it's, I want to feel heard on this issue.

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I need to understand where they're coming from.

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I need to let them go from the company.

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I need to inform them that this is their last day.

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Whatever it is, You need to have a goal and make that the bright line header of your true north.

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Without it, you might as well not have the conversation. at all.

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You with me?

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Number two, put the emphasis on regulating your body more than rehearsing your words.

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In fact, I would go on to tell you that rehearsing your lines is damaging.

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Let me tell you why.

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so many times in the legal field.

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And there's a lot of attorneys, trial attorneys who might be listening right now, nodding their head.

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Good attorneys don't stick to line by line questions.

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They keep it flexible.

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So what does that look like?

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Let's say I have a pen and paper.

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All right.

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Rather than writing and scripting out every single one of my questions that I want to ask a witness, instead, I'm going to put it in bullet points.

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The first bullet point might be the store.

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It might be.

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the money exchange.

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It might be the trip.

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Things that are signposts to me, that allow me to ask questions and be flexible.

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Because let me tell you the downside of rehearsing and knowing my questions ahead of time, is that I might read a question and wait for the answer.

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Except I typically don't wait for the answer.

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I'm starting to look at the next question and I'm worried about what I'm going to ask more than I'm actually listening.

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So you know a new attorney, a green attorney from a more veteran by if they're going, and did you arrive at the school that day?

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And they're not even really listening to the answer.

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Somebody could be giving a very good answer that's giving them lots of information, but they're not listening because they're just focused on the next question questions so you miss things.

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That's the point.

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You miss things.

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If you are rehearsing your lines, you're going to miss things because you're more focused on you performing well, of you doing well.

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Oh, no, no, that's not how I wanted to say it.

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People who teach public speaking, If you rehearse your talk,

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You're going to be much more concerned about the exact wording

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and putting your placement and making it almost so manufactured

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that it doesn't feel genuine and it doesn't feel real and the other person is not going to feel it.

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Versus you just know generally where the message needs to be, you know, your goal, you know your purpose and why you're there, and you're going to trust everything's going to flow out of that.

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And that's where you feel the connection from people.

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So put the emphasis on regulating your body.

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Then we can worry about...

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Is there a certain type of phrase that you want to make sure and use?

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Because if you don't have your body controlled, if you are not...

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Using your breath and you are not lowering your shoulders and you are making sure your jaw is not.

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Is your jaw tight right now?

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Do you have tightness in your ears and in your cheeks and your forehead?

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What about your shoulders and your hands?

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Are they tense? Is your core tight?

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Are your shoulders drooped over?

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What's your body position like?

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So you have to make sure you take temperature of that If you don't have your body controlled,

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good luck trying to focus everything else because your body's tied to those emotions.

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And if you're not breathing, And it doesn't matter what kind of technique I could teach you, what words I could give you, none of it's going to work because it's going to come out in a way that you don't want.

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It's going to come out defensive because your body's feeling defensive because your body is feeling flooded in that moment.

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So control, you can control.

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How do I want you to prepare?

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for this hard conversation, regulate your body, put the focus on that.

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All right, now back to the episode.

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Preparing for this conversation, I want you to think in your mind Think in your mind.

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What are imagine the conversation happening in real time, the person sitting across from you, you're you're at the you're in the environment that you're going to have the conversation with.

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How does that feel?

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How does that feel to you?

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what emotions are coming up, prepare for them now.

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prepare for them now so underneath wherever you're writing underneath goal I want you to write.

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My responses.

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I'm not talking about words, I'm talking about your physical body responses.

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What's going to be happening to you in that moment?

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You need to know.

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Do you get tightness in your jaw?

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For me, it's tightness in my shoulders.

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Right here, the traps, I get really tight when I know I'm tense because I have to like constantly relax them.

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Is my body preparing?

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I have to constantly react.

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I have to constantly relax them.

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So in my responses, say what's happening to you.

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Jaw gets tight.

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fist clench.

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Shoulders tense.

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I had somebody who said, "My toes like to scrunch up." If that's you, write that down too.

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You need to know what's happening.

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Why?

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So that you will not be surprised when it's happening.

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It's preparing for every part of the conversation.

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Conversations are not just words.

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They are the emotions and the physical thoughts.

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elements in the room.

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All right.

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It is not just emotion.

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It is just as physical as can be, because they're going to read your body language more than they're going to listen to your words.

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So when it comes to preparing for this hard conversation, focus on regulating your body first before we start worrying about your words.

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Cool.

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Number three, while we're talking about words, if you're going to rehearse anything, I want you to rehearse your opening line.

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That's it.

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Know your opening line.

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That's it.

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Whenever you start to think of how it's going to play out five minutes into the conversation.

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There's no way it's going to happen.

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If you can get out your opening line really well, that's really the only thing you can control at the start of the conversation.

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Everything else is going to be what it's going to be.

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And it's all going to be on you and your emotions now.

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I say start with your opening line because that sets the tone for the conversation that in to my in my opinion,

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is absolutely worth rehearsing, that you feel really comfortable with the first words that come out of your mouth.

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I'd say that 98 % of the time, the direction of the conversation is set by the tone.

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and in the first words that you share.

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So if I want to have a hard conversation with you, I'm going to put a lot of emphasis in my mind of remembering,

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rehearsing, but the opening what I want to begin with.

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So, I want you to write down underneath my responses, my opening.

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My opening.

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Write down your opening sentence.

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to this person.

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Imagine yourself in the context and get really comfortable with the opening sentence.

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What I like to open with And I'm just going to, I'm going to throw out some responses that might feel natural to you.

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All right, is saying, I'm going to share something that's really important. to me.

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I like to share something that's very important to me.

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Something as simple as that.

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If you want to add to it, I want to share something that's really important to me and I know it's not going to be perfect.

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Or you can even ask, and is it okay with you if I don't say everything perfectly?

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This is going to be a difficult conversation, but I'm going to be right here with you through the end.

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This is a conversation that I know it's not going to be resolved now.

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and I'm gonna be in this conversation over the next month for however long it takes.

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Sometimes not putting a timeframe on conversations is very helpful.

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Instead of saying we need to have a conversation right now and expect a decision, this is a conversation we're going to have over the next week.

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over the next month, whatever it is.

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When you release the time, it's like the pressure valve goes off.

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You're releasing the pressure, the tense moment of it.

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Find your opening line.

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Maybe it's you needing to reveal some stuff.

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Like, I'm struggling with some thoughts and I really want your help.

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Thank you.

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I'm stressed about this conversation.

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because it matters so much to me.

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I'd encourage you to actually reveal a little bit about what's happening inside.

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reveal the nerves, reveal the imperfect, reveal the struggle.

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Believe it or not, it's going to help them relate to you more than you could ever dream.

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If you sit with them and say, This is a conversation I've been dreading to have And I hope that...

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Together.

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we can get through this in a way that's going to make a big difference.

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This is a conversation I've been dreading to have.

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I really need your help.

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there's something I want to share with you and I know I'm, I'm not going to get it down perfectly.

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Are you willing to just be here with me?

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be willing to reveal a little bit.

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I'm not saying a lot, but if your opening line can be just a little bit vulnerable.

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with the inner emotions, what that's going to do is break so much ice to actually be real.

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to talk to one another.

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All right.

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How do we prepare for that difficult conversation?

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That stressful conversation, instead of that knot in your stomach, we're going to move some energy.

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You do that by writing down what we just talked about.

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so Number one, know your goal.

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number two know your responses your body what's happening

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that way you're not going to get caught off by it in the moment and number three rehearse your opening line, know your opening line because that you can at least control.

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And additional bonus if you can.

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Reveal a little bit of the struggle.

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What are you struggling with yourself?

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Like if you were just going to talk to me and say, Jefferson, I want to have this hard conversation and I'm worried about it because I'm afraid they're not going to.

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i'm afraid reveal that whatever that is i'm afraid that Maybe you need to write that down too.

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I'm afraid that and use that fear and put it at the beginning of the conversation.

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I need to share something important with you and I'm afraid that if I do, this is going to happen.

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You hear how all of a sudden you've got that out in the open.

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You're not you're not you're not carrying that inside.

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It's not unspoken.

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You've now said it.

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And now they can understand, okay, this is serious, and now I'm going to have this conversation with you.

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All right.

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I'm proud of you.

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I want to encourage you that this is...

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Not everybody does this.

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Let me tell you, nobody does it super well.

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Even the conversations I need to have.

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Yeah.

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Do I make mistakes?

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Yeah.

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But that's what makes me human.

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There's no such thing as a perfect, stressful, hard, difficult conversation gone well.

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The best thing you can do is Find...

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the reason within yourself, why is it difficult?

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When I say difficult conversation, what makes it difficult?

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Find that answer.

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Be more focused on that answer.

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If you can just remove the difficulty, then it's just a conversation.

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then it's not a difficult one, it's just a conversation.

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And sometimes what makes it difficult is not the other person.

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It's me.

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Do the homework.

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Prepare for it plan for it and you will not be surprised.

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And when you eliminate the surprises, you reduce the anxiety.

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And all of a sudden, what you thought was so difficult really just becomes another conversation.

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All right?

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You got this?

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If you can, encourage, I want to not only encourage you, but

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whenever you do have

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that conversation will you email me i you can go um hello at jeffersonfisher .com i would love

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to hear how that conversation went.

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and get any kind of feedback because i just want to encourage you

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and speak a lot of good into your life all right as always you can try that and follow me

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이 비디오는 일상적인 대화에서 자주 사용되는 자연스러운 표현과 감정 표현을 배울 수 있는 훌륭한 자료입니다. "I'm nervous about this"처럼 공통적인 감정을 표현하는 구문부터 "Count it as joy that you actually care"와 같은 감정 조절을 위한 유용한 문장까지, 실생활에서 바로 쓸 수 있는 표현이 가득합니다. 특히 IELTS 스피킹 준비생들에게는 자연스러운 발화 패턴을 익히는 데 큰 도움이 될 것입니다. 유튜브 영어 공부를 하면서 이런 실제 대화를 분석하면, 단순히 단어를 외우는 것보다 말하기 실력이 빠르게 향상됩니다.

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"If you can't stop where you are right now and ask yourself the question, Do I have a conversation coming up that I am stressed about..." : "coming up"은 "곧 있을"이라는 뜻으로, 미래의 일을 표현할 때 자주 사용됩니다. 이 구문은 긴 문장이지만 쉼표로 구분되어 자연스럽게 흘러가며, 말하기 할 때도 쉼표 위치에서 잠시 멈추면 더 자연스러워집니다.
"Newsflash, I get nervous about conversations too." : "Newsflash"는 "참고로"나 "사실은"이라는 뜻으로, 대화를 더 친밀하게 만드는 표현입니다. "too"를 끝에 붙여서 자신도 같은 경험을 한다는 것을 강조하여 청자와 공감을 형성합니다.
"Take that as joy. Count it as joy that you actually care about what you're going to say." : "Take that as..."와 "Count it as..."는 "그것을...로 생각하라"는 뜻으로, 같은 의미를 다른 표현으로 반복하여 강조합니다. 이렇게 반복하면 청자가 쉽게 내용을 이해하고 기억할 수 있습니다.

연습 방법: 쉬운 반복-녹음 루틴

유튜브 영어 공부를 할 때 이 비디오를 사용한 연습법을 알려드리겠습니다. 먼저 비디오를 5초씩 재생하며 shadowing을 해보세요. "shadowing site"나 "shadowspeak"과 같은 도구를 사용하면 더 효과적입니다. 각 문장을 반복해서 말하면서 영어 발음 교정에 주의하세요. 특히 "nervous", "stressed"와 같은 단어의 발음을 정확히 내는 것이 중요합니다. 그 다음 자신이 말한 것을 녹음하여 원본과 비교해보세요. 어디가 다르고 어떻게 개선할 수 있는지 확인하고, 다시 연습합니다. 이렇게 반복하면 말하기 속도와 자연스러운 억양을 익힐 수 있습니다. 매일 10분씩 이 루틴을 실행하면 IELTS 스피킹 실력도 크게 향상될 것입니다. 두려워하지 마세요, 실수는 배움의 기회입니다! 꾸준히 연습하면 분명히 결과가 보일 것입니다.

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화자가 가장 많이 쓰는 문형을 영상 속 실제 표현과 함께 정리했습니다.

문형	영상 속 표현
현재완료진행 have/has been + -ing — 전에 시작해 지금도 계속되는 동작	I've been dreading
현재완료 have/has + 과거분사 — 과거의 일이 지금도 관련이 있을 때	you've always wanted · I've owned · I've done
수동태 be + 과거분사 — 누가 하는지보다 무슨 일이 일어나는지에 초점	is brought · is set · be resolved
관계절 who / which + 절 — 사람이나 사물에 대한 추가 정보	People who teach · somebody who said

쉐도잉이란? 영어 실력을 빠르게 키우는 과학적 방법

쉐도잉(Shadowing)은 원래 전문 통역사 훈련을 위해 개발된 언어 학습 기법으로, 다언어 학자인 Dr. Alexander Arguelles에 의해 대중화된 방법입니다. 핵심 원리는 간단하지만 매우 강력합니다: 원어민의 영어를 들으면서 1~2초의 짧은 지연으로 즉시 소리 내어 따라 말하는 것——마치 '그림자(shadow)'처럼 화자를 따라가는 것입니다. 문법 공부나 수동적인 청취와 달리, 쉐도잉은 뇌와 입 근육이 동시에 실시간으로 영어를 처리하고 재현하도록 훈련합니다. 연구에 따르면 이 방법은 발음 정확도, 억양, 리듬, 연음, 청취력, 말하기 유창성을 크게 향상시킵니다. IELTS 스피킹 준비와 자연스러운 영어 소통을 원하는 분들에게 특히 효과적입니다.

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