Shadowing Practice: Windows Update Shouldn’t Be Allowed to Do This - Learn English Speaking with Video

LG abuses Windows Update driver install to push...

UGH, McAfee...

After numerous user complaints on the LG OLED subreddit,

a GamersNexus investigation found that LG has been taking advantage of a Windows feature that allows a hardware support app,

in this case the LG Monitor app installer, yikes, wow,

to be automatically and silently installed alongside the device drivers when a new device is plugged into Windows 11 machine

and drivers are automatically installed via Windows Update. That blows.

These hardware support apps are apparently granted significant privacy-breaking permissions without any form of user consent or even notice.

Why does Windows suck so much?

Oh my god.

In this case, the LG Monitor app, among other things, shows large pop-up ads for trials of McAfee antivirus.

Some users report that this has been happening since 2024.

Since this came to light, Microsoft stepped in, and Windows chief Pavan told The Verge that LG has agreed to immediately disable the McAfee pop-up

and pledged that Microsoft will keep improving here with our ecosystem partners.

No, I think you just need to change the rules on that one.

LG attempted to defend their behavior with an uncredited statement to Windows Latest.

LG Electronics reiterates that McAfee is not installed automatically and is never installed without users' explicit consent.

The LG Monitor app installer is distributed through Microsoft's official Windows distribution process, which included McAfee as an option.

Yeah, we know that's the problem.

McAfee will be installed only if a user actively chooses to proceed with the installation

and provides consent under no circumstances is McAfee installed automatically

or without user Authentic authorization the LG monitor app installer does not access collect

or transmit any user code I don't want you to tell me that I want it to not be possible

To be clear I like drivers automatically appearing so I'm actually just I'm gonna push back on just that part

I like the idea of that I plug something in and it just works.

What I don't like is when it's allowed to have a parasitic payload.

That's my point.

Yeah.

Well, no, no. I just want to be really clear that

if there is a monitor driver that I need so

that I can use a hotkey to change my brightness or whatever, right?

Like if there's something that enhances the user experience, yay.

McAfee prompt?

No. Yeah.

And also, to Lou's point, that shouldn't be possible.

What are the punitive measures that someone like a Microsoft could take if somebody does this?

Like, let's get creative here.

What can Microsoft do to police this?

Make it so that violations have a huge cost.

How could they enforce that?

What do you mean?

Okay, you send MSI a bill for a million dollars.

What makes them, or MSI, excuse me, no, LG.

You send LG a bill for $1 million, why would they pay it?

Stop supporting their devices.

That will hurt them more than Windows.

That will hurt the customer, though.

I don't think any solution should hurt the customer.

I would stop supporting their devices in this way, and I would give the users a flag,

some type of notification, that's like LG was found to be distributing what is arguably malware.

in order to get driver updates, please follow this manual process and then link them to some documentation.

But then would that, I mean, in order to get LG drivers,

presumably they would have to be linking them to an LG source.

How would Microsoft then ensure that that LG source does not include a McAfee installer?

So how exactly, is this Windows Update that it goes through?

It's not, right?

Yeah, it goes through Windows Update, I believe.

It happened silently in the background though.

Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I think that's still worth it

because at least you're flagging to the user that LG was like abusing systems and is not cool.

Charge nuclear hack goes, ha ha ha ha ha.

Linus thinks they care about the customer.

I didn't say that.

What I said was the solution should not harm the customer.

That's what I said.

I didn't say that anyone agreed with me.

I just said that I feel that.

Yeah.

Ugh.

Yeah, MindParadox says, how about a check

that we must be notified before software is installed and only if we actively say yes to install it.

Okay, okay, counterpoint, counterpoint, users will often, to their own detriment, put off installing updates.

I mean, that's a huge part of why actually you know it's fun

we just did a Windows tier list we shot it earlier this week

and we were we were we made a joke about the first Windows

that introduced automatic updating and talked about how it's a

so Microsoft can break your computer every patch Tuesday

but also here's why it was necessary

because in especially the early days of connected devices and

and the broader internet just kind of coming online people not

updating their shiz was a big problem it was a huge huge vector

and any vector that the user refuses to patch is by definition an unpatched vector, right?

So automatic updates, I think in the modern world, I don't think you can get away from that.

I don't think I would advocate for that.

And if you give the user a choice, they're going to dismiss it.

Some number of times out of ten.

Okay, let's see if anybody else has any really good ideas.

I don't think you have to force automatic updates.

I think you could make it up to the user.

But then, the more compromised devices there are, the worse everything is for everybody.

more zombie devices is bad yeah but I should still be able to control my system like in Linux

I mean we're pushing everyone to go to Linux you can

do whatever the hell you want you can I don't think

either of my systems are running automatic updates I just also

update them I also find updating in Linux to be like fun

and rewarding and updating in Windows to be horrible and slow and not rewarding and scary

So generally bad so like they're very different experiences the Linux one is really fast for some reason

100

Really fast and then Windows one will genuinely take

101

Very long often so what would your solution be

102

if we didn't force people to update

103

because I like I think part of the reason it works

104

so well for Linux is

105

that Linux people generally skew more text-savvy I think I would be okay with it just being an opt-out.

106

Can you do that on Windows update?

107

Not forever eventually it will force you to install especially security updates And so so like what would be

108

What if Linux went more normie because

109

that like it's there's a there's a selection bias in the people who are who are running these operating Systems, so I would actually agree with you

110

that right now the approach on most mainstream Linux distros is not a problem

111

because we are Using that that kind of fades over time exactly, so let's imagine that it does happen you want

112

Linux to be forcing automatic updates now

113

so what I'm well no what I'm asking you is what's your solution then because I think

114

Everyone I hope pretty much agrees that a massive army of unpatched devices is super super mega bad

115

And I think you guys know from administering even a very tech savvy company

116

That people will put off updates as long as humanly possible

117

as often as humanly possible once you get into the broader population

118

So what's your solution then I guess is what I'm asking Um,

119

I don't know so I necessarily have one on a business level the businesses can enforce updates we enforce updates

120

on a Personal level though like I want control over my computer.

121

I know you do

122

But like my aunt I think lost her control over whether she's allowed to decide to update privileges

123

when she decided not to update and And and her as like the the like family administrator as it were yeah,

124

you can make that choice It's not that I don't want the option for automatic updates Sure, it could even be in my opinion default on which will mean that

125

90 plus percent of okay turn it off well then I

126

mean that's I want the ability to control my computer I

127

Know but I'm not talking about you so I feel like we're both kind of I think we're both kind of Yeah, but it could be default on though is what I'm saying.

128

No, no, I get it.

129

I just mean, um, ah, like it's, uh, like, like, there's two angles here because the problem here is that I agree with you.

130

I want to control my computer too.

131

If I say, no, I'm actually in the middle of something right now

132

and you rip away control and take away my ability to do something for three minutes, five minutes, ten minutes.

133

Sometimes a really long time.

134

We were literally in the middle of that Windows tier list shoot and

135

Jordan's computer forced him to apply an update and it was the computer

136

that he was using for the web-based Like you can you can run any version of Windows in a web browser

137

Like like background that I had behind me

138

that we were changing with every version of Windows

139

And we had to pause the bloody shoot because of Windows updates We have this on WAN Show all the time.

140

Our like Google sessions will log us out

141

because we only use these once a week I can't agree with you more

142

that I want to control my computer And I want to decide when I want to update

143

But that is kind of separate from the conversation that I'm having

144

Which is what is the broader solution so that we don't have a giant army of insecure computers?

145

I think the broader solution is default on.

146

Default on, and we just, we hope that people don't get, they stay tech-savvy enough to, they don't get tech-savvy enough to disable that,

147

while not getting also tech-savvy enough to understand that they should update.

148

We hope that.

149

I genuinely think over 90% of people will never even go

150

to the control panel option to do anything with it in the first place.

151

I think that's prob- I mean, look, 95% of statistics are made up.

152

Oh, yeah, right mine was extremely made up based on however Stardust I suspect you're not that far off.

153

I think so.

154

I just I I'm fretting Because for sure because to me the the risk of of many many many

155

Unsecured devices is is very scary.

156

Yeah the risk of Malware being able to deploy that way is also scary though.

157

We just saw that with Linux The AUR got compromised If those updates were forced down my throat, I'd be pretty pissed about it

158

So like it's it's the whole I don't remember exactly how the phrase goes

159

But it's like if you sacrifice liberty for security you'll have neither whatever

160

So apparently that gets misquoted a lot

161

so I'm gonna make I'm gonna I'm gonna help us get it right this time see what it is

162

if you something liberty freedom etc security security, you deserve neither.

163

Like, I can remember enough of the words that I can kind of, okay, here we go.

164

Oh, okay, we've got an NPR article.

165

Ben Franklin's famous liberty safety quote lost its context in the 21st century.

166

So he once said, those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

167

And this often comes up, this is from NPR, in the context of new technology and concerns about government surveillance.

168

But Benjamin Witts, senior fellow at the Brookings Institute and editor of Lawfare,

169

tells NPR's Robert Siegel that it wasn't originally meant to mean what most people think.

170

Franklin was basically, and so he's paraphrasing here, basically said those who would trade privacy for a bit of security deserve neither.

171

What is the exact...

172

Oh my okay.

173

Well, this is a lot longer.

174

I'm sorry then just like a conversation I can read right now

175

You know there's all these quotations think of kill all the lawyers right from Shakespeare

176

Nobody really remembers what the characters in question were saying at that time.

177

Okay, you know what?

178

I'm gonna have to look at this again later.

179

I'm not gonna take a stance on on the quote for

180

right now I think either way is is basically my point

181

whatever the heck the quote even is is there are as As we're literally talking about right now, ways that that can be used maliciously.

182

Yeah.

183

And I would like to be able to choose how to defend myself.

184

I do think, for the vast majority of people, the right approach is gonna be automatic updates.

185

Rip out the ethernet cord.

186

Oh, sorry.

187

Go ahead.

188

I think, I think for the vast majority of people, automatic updates is the right approach.

189

The internet's over!

190

I even think the annoying persistence that Windows have, has, might even be the right approach for most people.

191

Sure.

192

That being said, if someone wants to go in and try to do something manually to change how their computer works, I think they should be able to do so.

193

Ended.

194

Good luck, everybody.

195

And there will be bad there.

196

But there's already bad, dude.

197

There's...

198

Luke, there's bad everywhere.

199

The, like, that insane worm that's out there that's controlling, like, a crazy amount of computers right now.

200

Is that the one in RFK Jr.'s brain?

201

Dan was so ready for that.

202

Well, because I had the same joke.

203

As soon as you started...

204

As soon as you started with that worm, I was like, here it comes.

205

Let's see.

206

Let's see.

207

Okay, Mind Paradox summarized it.

208

Thanks, Mind Paradox, in Floatplane Chat.

209

From the article.

210

He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Pens,

211

the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar.

212

The proprietary family?

213

Yeah, like a proprietor.

214

The legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War.

215

And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto.

216

Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern,

217

and so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally.

218

The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging

219

that it did not have the authority to tax it.

220

So, okay, he didn't mean it like just broadly necessarily.

221

He was talking about something very specific.

222

I mean it's a it's a banger quote one way or another Yeah, it's a sentiment that

223

Even outside of the context I think resonates with a lot

224

of people I think sometimes it can be taken too far Yes, pretty often maybe

225

But I think in like in this case I think security vulnerabilities are gonna security vulnerability

226

and it is what it is like the

227

whole thing of like every lock can be picked is just

228

more true than a lot of people are comfortable with

229

and every form of security can also be used as offense is another thing

230

that people also need to be aware of and it's just yeah I don't know I

231

the Shai Halud

232

worm that was distributed through NPM is also like

233

huge and terrifying And the the AUR hack was huge

234

and terrifying and these things are like very real and happening really fast right now Yeah, say you what you want and I don't think it's gonna slow down useless,

235

you know AI search results or whatever, but AI is definitely Making some stuff happen in terms of security right now,

236

you know You know how I said that I I kind of like updating on Linux

237

Yeah part of that process right now is in cache OS when I do the update it will read Arch news

238

It will check Arch News to see if there's anything going on.

239

Oh yeah.

240

And if there's nothing going on, I'll be like, okay, cool, I'll update.

241

I think it was yesterday, I checked, like, I'm gonna do some updates, and it was like, there's some things happening in Arch News.

242

I didn't even look.

243

I was just like, never mind.

244

Everything's fine.

245

I closed it.

246

I'll wait for that to resolve.

247

I'll come back soon.

248

We'll figure it out.

249

There are other times where I've read it and then decided from there, if I want to move forward or not.

250

But in this particular case, I was like, I was going to be leaving the computer shortly and was like, I could run an update real quick.

251

And then it was like, nah, I'll just do that later.

252

Like, that's really nice.

253

Windows does not do that.

254

There has been a lot of times where a Windows update has gone out and the internet collectively has been like, oh my God, do not update to this.

255

And it's been happening a lot.

256

Yeah.

257

And I really appreciate that that level of safeguard is there on the cachey side where it's like, There's some news going on.

258

Yeah, here's the ways you can find it You can go read it make your own decision

259

and go from there

260

and the window side is just like la la la have fun Here's your update it might brick everything.

261

I mean yes, and no they do do them in a rolling fashion

262

So they don't actually just go to everybody at once

263

so it's a dice roll of whether or not it's a la ha ha ha

264

I'm just I'm just it is better It is better.

265

It's not perfect.

266

Russian roulette with production hardware I just want to make sure

267

that if we're gonna dunk on them we are dunking on them accurately They deserve the dunk.

268

They just maybe didn't deserve that last little bit of razzle-dazzle Okay, that's that that's all I'm gonna say about it It's extremely reasonable.

269

Cat OS linked this which is actually really cool Windows patch scanner Windows update regression feed for sys admins.

270

That's neat.

271

This is probably Dan Let me know what you think on this one.

272

This is probably one of the most vibe-coded looking websites.

273

I've seen in a while I...

274

Is that a Vista icon?

275

It is.

276

It is.

277

It has all the like telltale design signs.

278

I don't really know anything about vibe-coded websites.

279

It's just different color palettes that they use different kind of like styles.

280

Yeah, that like orangey kind of.

281

Yep.

282

Yeah, it's like give me a web 3.0 Silicon Valley website.

283

Yeah, which is a hacker focused and uses terminal font.

284

And Electro Bot in chat said it's a nice design, IMO.

285

I'm not even pointing out the design is bad.

286

I think the design is great.

287

If this isn't a vibe-coded AI-designed website, then this website was trained upon.

288

I guarantee it.

289

Oh, yeah.

290

It looks really good.

291

I love this style.

292

Yeah.

293

I think it looks great, personally.

294

But it's just, it immediately jumped out at me.

295

It was like the way that they did the boxes, the way they chose the color palette and stuff like that.

296

It's either been heavily trained upon, which is quite likely, or it's vibe designed.

✨ Recommend Video

190 sentences

Vocabulary and speaking notes for this lesson

This B2 speaking lesson is built on the video “Windows Update Shouldn’t Be Allowed to Do This”. The speaker keeps coming back to these words: update, window, user. This video has 296 sentences and 3321 words to shadow. The speech runs for 19:57. The speaker talks at a natural 166 words per minute, close to everyday conversation. Only 81% of the words are among the 3,000 most common in English, so the vocabulary is demanding.

Key vocabulary in this video

The 15 most advanced words in the video, with pronunciation and meaning:

Word	Pronunciation	Meaning
savvy adjective	/ˈsæv.i/	Shrewd, well-informed and perceptive.
installer noun		One who installs.
vibe noun	/vaɪb/	An atmosphere or aura felt to belong to a person, place or thing.
install verb	/ɪnˈstɔl/	To connect, set up or prepare something for use
dunk verb	/dʌŋk/	To submerge briefly in a liquid.
worm noun	/wɝm/	A generally tubular invertebrate of the annelid phylum; an earthworm.
distribute verb	/dɪˈstɹɪbjuːt/	To divide into portions and dispense.
enforce verb	/ɪnˈfoɹs/	To keep up, impose or bring into effect something, not necessarily by force.
vector noun	/ˈvɛktɚ/	A directed quantity, one with both magnitude and direction; the signed difference between two points.
patch noun	/pæt͡ʃ/	A piece of cloth, or other suitable material, sewed or otherwise fixed upon a garment to repair or strengthen it, especially upon an old garment to cover a…
counterpoint noun	/ˈkaʊntə(ɹ)ˌpɔɪnt/	A melody added to an existing one, especially one added to provide harmony whilst each retains its simultaneous identity; a composition consisting of such…
humanly adverb	/ˈhjuːmənli/	In a human manner.
malware noun	/ˈmæl.wɛəɹ/	Software which has been designed to operate in a malicious, undesirable manner.
terrify verb	/ˈtɛɹɪfaɪ/	To frighten greatly; to fill with terror.
unpatched adjective		Not fitted with patches.

Phrasal verbs you will hear

Word	Pronunciation	Meaning
go through verb		To travel from one end of something to the other.
make up verb	/ˌmeɪk ˈʌp/	To constitute, to compose.
pop up verb		To come up with a "pop" sound.
put off verb		To postpone, especially through procrastination.
come back verb		To return to a place.
come up verb		To emerge or become known, especially unexpectedly.
give up verb		To surrender (someone or something); to inform on (someone).
go ahead verb	/ˌɡoʊ əˈhɛd/	To proceed with; to begin.

Sentences worth repeating

Short, complete lines from the video that you can reuse in everyday conversation:

What do you mean?
I don't think any solution should hurt the customer.
I didn't say that anyone agreed with me.
I don't think I would advocate for that.
I don't think you have to force automatic updates.

Grammar in this video

The structures the speaker uses most, with the exact words from the video:

Structure	In the video
Conditional sentences if + clause, will/would + verb — a condition and its result	if you sacrifice liberty for security you'll have · if there's nothing going on, I'll be
Present perfect continuous have/has been + -ing — an action that started earlier and is still going on	has been taking · has been happening
Passive voice be + past participle — the focus is on what happens, not who does it	is plugged · is not installed · is distributed
Relative clauses who / which + clause — extra information about a person or thing	people who are · those who would · this which is

Pronunciation to watch

The speaker uses 81 contractions and reduced forms, such as I'm, don't, gonna. Say them the short way, as you hear them.

The “sh” and “zh” sounds: regression /ɹiːˈɡɹɛʃ.ən/, quotation /kwoʊˈteɪʃn̩/, cache /kæʃ/, authorization /ˌɔːθəɹaɪˈzeɪʃən/, notification /ˌnoʊtɪfɪˈkeɪʃn̩/
Long words — get the stress right: proprietary /pɹəˈpɹaɪ.ə.tə.ɹi/, vulnerability /ˌvʌln(ə)ɹəˈbɪlɪti/, genuinely /ˈd͡ʒɛn.ju.ɪn.li/, legislature /ˈlɛd͡ʒɪsləˌt͡ʃʊə/, antivirus /ˈantɪvʌɪrəs/

How to practise with this video

Listen to the whole video once without speaking and note the words you do not know.
Start at 0.75× speed, shadow it sentence by sentence, then go back to normal speed once it feels easy.
Record yourself and compare with the original, paying attention to words like savvy, installer, vibe.

What is the Shadowing Technique?

Shadowing is a science-backed language learning technique originally developed for professional interpreter training and popularized by polyglot Dr. Alexander Arguelles. The method is simple but powerful: you listen to native English audio and immediately repeat it out loud — like a shadow following the speaker with just a 1–2 second delay. Unlike passive listening or grammar drills, shadowing forces your brain and mouth muscles to simultaneously process and reproduce real speech patterns. Research shows it significantly improves pronunciation accuracy, intonation, rhythm, connected speech, listening comprehension, and speaking fluency — making it one of the most effective methods for IELTS Speaking preparation and real-world English communication.

Shadowing technique: read the full step-by-step guide →

Shadowing Practice: Windows Update Shouldn’t Be Allowed to Do This - Learn English Speaking with Video

He’s always wrong

G8 ThinQ hands-on: LG's newest flagship

USB4 is a Glorious Mess

The Hidden War Against Steam

WG removed me from the CC program - here's what happened

What is a VPN?

Nvidia's New Laptops - RTX Spark

My HomeLab Monitoring Rules // feat. Checkmk

macOS 27 Released! What's New?

Fun new scam taking over YouTube Shorts

What is a PLC and how does it work?

The best (and worst) setup upgrades.

Vocabulary and speaking notes for this lesson

Key vocabulary in this video

Phrasal verbs you will hear

Sentences worth repeating

Grammar in this video

Pronunciation to watch

How to practise with this video

What is the Shadowing Technique?