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LG abuses Windows Update driver install to push...

UGH, McAfee...

After numerous user complaints on the LG OLED subreddit,

a GamersNexus investigation found that LG has been taking advantage of a Windows feature that allows a hardware support app,

in this case the LG Monitor app installer, yikes, wow,

to be automatically and silently installed alongside the device drivers when a new device is plugged into Windows 11 machine

and drivers are automatically installed via Windows Update. That blows.

These hardware support apps are apparently granted significant privacy-breaking permissions without any form of user consent or even notice.

Why does Windows suck so much?

Oh my god.

In this case, the LG Monitor app, among other things, shows large pop-up ads for trials of McAfee antivirus.

Some users report that this has been happening since 2024.

Since this came to light, Microsoft stepped in, and Windows chief Pavan told The Verge that LG has agreed to immediately disable the McAfee pop-up

and pledged that Microsoft will keep improving here with our ecosystem partners.

No, I think you just need to change the rules on that one.

LG attempted to defend their behavior with an uncredited statement to Windows Latest.

LG Electronics reiterates that McAfee is not installed automatically and is never installed without users' explicit consent.

The LG Monitor app installer is distributed through Microsoft's official Windows distribution process, which included McAfee as an option.

Yeah, we know that's the problem.

McAfee will be installed only if a user actively chooses to proceed with the installation

and provides consent under no circumstances is McAfee installed automatically

or without user Authentic authorization the LG monitor app installer does not access collect

or transmit any user code I don't want you to tell me that I want it to not be possible

To be clear I like drivers automatically appearing so I'm actually just I'm gonna push back on just that part

I like the idea of that I plug something in and it just works.

What I don't like is when it's allowed to have a parasitic payload.

That's my point.

Yeah.

Well, no, no. I just want to be really clear that

if there is a monitor driver that I need so

that I can use a hotkey to change my brightness or whatever, right?

Like if there's something that enhances the user experience, yay.

McAfee prompt?

No. Yeah.

And also, to Lou's point, that shouldn't be possible.

What are the punitive measures that someone like a Microsoft could take if somebody does this?

Like, let's get creative here.

What can Microsoft do to police this?

Make it so that violations have a huge cost.

How could they enforce that?

What do you mean?

Okay, you send MSI a bill for a million dollars.

What makes them, or MSI, excuse me, no, LG.

You send LG a bill for $1 million, why would they pay it?

Stop supporting their devices.

That will hurt them more than Windows.

That will hurt the customer, though.

I don't think any solution should hurt the customer.

I would stop supporting their devices in this way, and I would give the users a flag,

some type of notification, that's like LG was found to be distributing what is arguably malware.

in order to get driver updates, please follow this manual process and then link them to some documentation.

But then would that, I mean, in order to get LG drivers,

presumably they would have to be linking them to an LG source.

How would Microsoft then ensure that that LG source does not include a McAfee installer?

So how exactly, is this Windows Update that it goes through?

It's not, right?

Yeah, it goes through Windows Update, I believe.

It happened silently in the background though.

Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I think that's still worth it

because at least you're flagging to the user that LG was like abusing systems and is not cool.

Charge nuclear hack goes, ha ha ha ha ha.

Linus thinks they care about the customer.

I didn't say that.

What I said was the solution should not harm the customer.

That's what I said.

I didn't say that anyone agreed with me.

I just said that I feel that.

Yeah.

Ugh.

Yeah, MindParadox says, how about a check

that we must be notified before software is installed and only if we actively say yes to install it.

Okay, okay, counterpoint, counterpoint, users will often, to their own detriment, put off installing updates.

I mean, that's a huge part of why actually you know it's fun

we just did a Windows tier list we shot it earlier this week

and we were we were we made a joke about the first Windows

that introduced automatic updating and talked about how it's a

so Microsoft can break your computer every patch Tuesday

but also here's why it was necessary

because in especially the early days of connected devices and

and the broader internet just kind of coming online people not

updating their shiz was a big problem it was a huge huge vector

and any vector that the user refuses to patch is by definition an unpatched vector, right?

So automatic updates, I think in the modern world, I don't think you can get away from that.

I don't think I would advocate for that.

And if you give the user a choice, they're going to dismiss it.

Some number of times out of ten.

Okay, let's see if anybody else has any really good ideas.

I don't think you have to force automatic updates.

I think you could make it up to the user.

But then, the more compromised devices there are, the worse everything is for everybody.

more zombie devices is bad yeah but I should still be able to control my system like in Linux

I mean we're pushing everyone to go to Linux you can

do whatever the hell you want you can I don't think

either of my systems are running automatic updates I just also

update them I also find updating in Linux to be like fun

and rewarding and updating in Windows to be horrible and slow and not rewarding and scary

So generally bad so like they're very different experiences the Linux one is really fast for some reason

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Really fast and then Windows one will genuinely take

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Very long often so what would your solution be

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if we didn't force people to update

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because I like I think part of the reason it works

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so well for Linux is

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that Linux people generally skew more text-savvy I think I would be okay with it just being an opt-out.

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Can you do that on Windows update?

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Not forever eventually it will force you to install especially security updates And so so like what would be

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What if Linux went more normie because

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that like it's there's a there's a selection bias in the people who are who are running these operating Systems, so I would actually agree with you

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that right now the approach on most mainstream Linux distros is not a problem

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because we are Using that that kind of fades over time exactly, so let's imagine that it does happen you want

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Linux to be forcing automatic updates now

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so what I'm well no what I'm asking you is what's your solution then because I think

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Everyone I hope pretty much agrees that a massive army of unpatched devices is super super mega bad

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And I think you guys know from administering even a very tech savvy company

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That people will put off updates as long as humanly possible

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as often as humanly possible once you get into the broader population

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So what's your solution then I guess is what I'm asking Um,

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I don't know so I necessarily have one on a business level the businesses can enforce updates we enforce updates

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on a Personal level though like I want control over my computer.

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I know you do

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But like my aunt I think lost her control over whether she's allowed to decide to update privileges

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when she decided not to update and And and her as like the the like family administrator as it were yeah,

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you can make that choice It's not that I don't want the option for automatic updates Sure, it could even be in my opinion default on which will mean that

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90 plus percent of okay turn it off well then I

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mean that's I want the ability to control my computer I

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Know but I'm not talking about you so I feel like we're both kind of I think we're both kind of Yeah, but it could be default on though is what I'm saying.

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No, no, I get it.

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I just mean, um, ah, like it's, uh, like, like, there's two angles here because the problem here is that I agree with you.

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I want to control my computer too.

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If I say, no, I'm actually in the middle of something right now

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and you rip away control and take away my ability to do something for three minutes, five minutes, ten minutes.

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Sometimes a really long time.

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We were literally in the middle of that Windows tier list shoot and

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Jordan's computer forced him to apply an update and it was the computer

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that he was using for the web-based Like you can you can run any version of Windows in a web browser

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Like like background that I had behind me

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that we were changing with every version of Windows

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And we had to pause the bloody shoot because of Windows updates We have this on WAN Show all the time.

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Our like Google sessions will log us out

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because we only use these once a week I can't agree with you more

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that I want to control my computer And I want to decide when I want to update

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But that is kind of separate from the conversation that I'm having

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Which is what is the broader solution so that we don't have a giant army of insecure computers?

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I think the broader solution is default on.

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Default on, and we just, we hope that people don't get, they stay tech-savvy enough to, they don't get tech-savvy enough to disable that,

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while not getting also tech-savvy enough to understand that they should update.

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We hope that.

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I genuinely think over 90% of people will never even go

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to the control panel option to do anything with it in the first place.

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I think that's prob- I mean, look, 95% of statistics are made up.

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Oh, yeah, right mine was extremely made up based on however Stardust I suspect you're not that far off.

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I think so.

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I just I I'm fretting Because for sure because to me the the risk of of many many many

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Unsecured devices is is very scary.

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Yeah the risk of Malware being able to deploy that way is also scary though.

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We just saw that with Linux The AUR got compromised If those updates were forced down my throat, I'd be pretty pissed about it

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So like it's it's the whole I don't remember exactly how the phrase goes

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But it's like if you sacrifice liberty for security you'll have neither whatever

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So apparently that gets misquoted a lot

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so I'm gonna make I'm gonna I'm gonna help us get it right this time see what it is

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if you something liberty freedom etc security security, you deserve neither.

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Like, I can remember enough of the words that I can kind of, okay, here we go.

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Oh, okay, we've got an NPR article.

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Ben Franklin's famous liberty safety quote lost its context in the 21st century.

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So he once said, those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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And this often comes up, this is from NPR, in the context of new technology and concerns about government surveillance.

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But Benjamin Witts, senior fellow at the Brookings Institute and editor of Lawfare,

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tells NPR's Robert Siegel that it wasn't originally meant to mean what most people think.

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Franklin was basically, and so he's paraphrasing here, basically said those who would trade privacy for a bit of security deserve neither.

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What is the exact...

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Oh my okay.

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Well, this is a lot longer.

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I'm sorry then just like a conversation I can read right now

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You know there's all these quotations think of kill all the lawyers right from Shakespeare

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Nobody really remembers what the characters in question were saying at that time.

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Okay, you know what?

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I'm gonna have to look at this again later.

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I'm not gonna take a stance on on the quote for

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right now I think either way is is basically my point

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whatever the heck the quote even is is there are as As we're literally talking about right now, ways that that can be used maliciously.

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Yeah.

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And I would like to be able to choose how to defend myself.

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I do think, for the vast majority of people, the right approach is gonna be automatic updates.

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Rip out the ethernet cord.

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Oh, sorry.

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Go ahead.

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I think, I think for the vast majority of people, automatic updates is the right approach.

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The internet's over!

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I even think the annoying persistence that Windows have, has, might even be the right approach for most people.

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Sure.

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That being said, if someone wants to go in and try to do something manually to change how their computer works, I think they should be able to do so.

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Ended.

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Good luck, everybody.

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And there will be bad there.

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But there's already bad, dude.

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There's...

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Luke, there's bad everywhere.

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The, like, that insane worm that's out there that's controlling, like, a crazy amount of computers right now.

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Is that the one in RFK Jr.'s brain?

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Dan was so ready for that.

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Well, because I had the same joke.

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As soon as you started...

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As soon as you started with that worm, I was like, here it comes.

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Let's see.

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Let's see.

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Okay, Mind Paradox summarized it.

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Thanks, Mind Paradox, in Floatplane Chat.

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From the article.

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He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Pens,

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the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar.

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The proprietary family?

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Yeah, like a proprietor.

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The legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War.

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And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto.

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Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern,

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and so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally.

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The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging

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that it did not have the authority to tax it.

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So, okay, he didn't mean it like just broadly necessarily.

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He was talking about something very specific.

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I mean it's a it's a banger quote one way or another Yeah, it's a sentiment that

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Even outside of the context I think resonates with a lot

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of people I think sometimes it can be taken too far Yes, pretty often maybe

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But I think in like in this case I think security vulnerabilities are gonna security vulnerability

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and it is what it is like the

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whole thing of like every lock can be picked is just

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more true than a lot of people are comfortable with

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and every form of security can also be used as offense is another thing

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that people also need to be aware of and it's just yeah I don't know I

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the Shai Halud

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worm that was distributed through NPM is also like

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huge and terrifying And the the AUR hack was huge

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and terrifying and these things are like very real and happening really fast right now Yeah, say you what you want and I don't think it's gonna slow down useless,

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you know AI search results or whatever, but AI is definitely Making some stuff happen in terms of security right now,

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you know You know how I said that I I kind of like updating on Linux

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Yeah part of that process right now is in cache OS when I do the update it will read Arch news

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It will check Arch News to see if there's anything going on.

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Oh yeah.

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And if there's nothing going on, I'll be like, okay, cool, I'll update.

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I think it was yesterday, I checked, like, I'm gonna do some updates, and it was like, there's some things happening in Arch News.

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I didn't even look.

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I was just like, never mind.

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Everything's fine.

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I closed it.

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I'll wait for that to resolve.

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I'll come back soon.

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We'll figure it out.

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There are other times where I've read it and then decided from there, if I want to move forward or not.

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But in this particular case, I was like, I was going to be leaving the computer shortly and was like, I could run an update real quick.

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And then it was like, nah, I'll just do that later.

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Like, that's really nice.

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Windows does not do that.

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There has been a lot of times where a Windows update has gone out and the internet collectively has been like, oh my God, do not update to this.

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And it's been happening a lot.

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Yeah.

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And I really appreciate that that level of safeguard is there on the cachey side where it's like, There's some news going on.

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Yeah, here's the ways you can find it You can go read it make your own decision

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and go from there

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and the window side is just like la la la have fun Here's your update it might brick everything.

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I mean yes, and no they do do them in a rolling fashion

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So they don't actually just go to everybody at once

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so it's a dice roll of whether or not it's a la ha ha ha

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I'm just I'm just it is better It is better.

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It's not perfect.

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Russian roulette with production hardware I just want to make sure

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that if we're gonna dunk on them we are dunking on them accurately They deserve the dunk.

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They just maybe didn't deserve that last little bit of razzle-dazzle Okay, that's that that's all I'm gonna say about it It's extremely reasonable.

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Cat OS linked this which is actually really cool Windows patch scanner Windows update regression feed for sys admins.

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That's neat.

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This is probably Dan Let me know what you think on this one.

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This is probably one of the most vibe-coded looking websites.

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I've seen in a while I...

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Is that a Vista icon?

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It is.

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It is.

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It has all the like telltale design signs.

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I don't really know anything about vibe-coded websites.

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It's just different color palettes that they use different kind of like styles.

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Yeah, that like orangey kind of.

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Yep.

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Yeah, it's like give me a web 3.0 Silicon Valley website.

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Yeah, which is a hacker focused and uses terminal font.

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And Electro Bot in chat said it's a nice design, IMO.

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I'm not even pointing out the design is bad.

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I think the design is great.

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If this isn't a vibe-coded AI-designed website, then this website was trained upon.

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I guarantee it.

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Oh, yeah.

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It looks really good.

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I love this style.

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Yeah.

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I think it looks great, personally.

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But it's just, it immediately jumped out at me.

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It was like the way that they did the boxes, the way they chose the color palette and stuff like that.

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It's either been heavily trained upon, which is quite likely, or it's vibe designed.

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שיעור הדיבור הזה ברמה B2 מבוסס על הסרטון “Windows Update Shouldn’t Be Allowed to Do This”. המילים שחוזרות הכי הרבה: update, window, user. בסרטון הזה יש 296 משפטים ו-3321 מילים לתרגול Shadowing. הדיבור נמשך 19:57. הדובר מדבר בקצב טבעי של כ-166 מילים בדקה, קרוב לשיחה יומיומית. רק 81% מהמילים נמצאות בין 3,000 המילים הנפוצות ביותר באנגלית, כך שאוצר המילים מאתגר.

אוצר מילים מרכזי בסרטון הזה

15 המילים המתקדמות ביותר בסרטון, עם ההגייה והמשמעות שלהן:

מילה	הגייה	משמעות
install פועל	/ɪnˈstɔl/	התקין
worm שם עצם	/wɝm/	רִמָּה, תּוֹלַעַת
distribute פועל	/dɪˈstɹɪbjuːt/	חילק
vector שם עצם	/ˈvɛktɚ/	וקטור
patch שם עצם	/pæt͡ʃ/	טלאי
malware שם עצם	/ˈmæl.wɛəɹ/	תוכנות מזיקות, תוכנה זדונית
proprietary שם תואר	/pɹəˈpɹaɪ.ə.tə.ɹi/	קִנְיָנִי
palette שם עצם	/ˈpælɪt/	פתכה
plug שם עצם	/plʌɡ/	תֶּקַע
compromise שם עצם	/ˈkɑmpɹəˌmaɪz/	פְּשָׁרָה
tier שם עצם	/ˈtɪɚ/	קוֹמָה, נִדְבָּךְ
dazzle פועל	/ˈdæzəl/	סנוור
roulette שם עצם	/ɹuːˈlɛt/	רוֹלֶטָה
summarize פועל	/ˈsʌməˌɹaɪz/	סיכם
safeguard פועל	/ˈseɪfɡɑːd/	לְאַבְטֵחַ

Phrasal verbs שתשמעו

מילה	משמעות
come back פועל	שָׁב
give up פועל	וִתֵּר
go out פועל	יָצָא

משפטים שכדאי לחזור עליהם

משפטים קצרים ושלמים מהסרטון שאפשר להשתמש בהם בשיחה יומיומית:

What do you mean?
I don't think any solution should hurt the customer.
I didn't say that anyone agreed with me.
I don't think I would advocate for that.
I don't think you have to force automatic updates.

דקדוק בסרטון הזה

המבנים שהדובר משתמש בהם הכי הרבה, עם המילים המדויקות מהסרטון:

מבנה	בסרטון
הווה מושלם ממושך (Present perfect continuous) have/has been + -ing — פעולה שהתחילה בעבר ועדיין נמשכת עכשיו	has been taking · has been happening · it's been happening
משפטי תנאי (Conditional sentences) if + clause, will/would + verb — תנאי ותוצאה שלו	if you sacrifice liberty for security you'll have · if there's nothing going on, I'll be
סביל (Passive voice) be + past participle — הדגש הוא על מה שקורה, לא על מי שעושה את הפעולה	is plugged · are automatically installed · are apparently granted
משפטי זיקה (Relative clauses) who / which + clause — מידע נוסף על אדם או דבר	people who are · those who would · this which is

הגייה ששווה לשים לב אליה

הדובר משתמש ב-81 קיצורים וצורות מקוצרות, כמו I'm, don't, gonna. אמרו אותם בצורה הקצרה, כפי שאתם שומעים אותם.

הצלילים של “sh” ו-“zh”: regression /ɹiːˈɡɹɛʃ.ən/, quotation /kwoʊˈteɪʃn̩/, cache /kæʃ/, authorization /ˌɔːθəɹaɪˈzeɪʃən/, notification /ˌnoʊtɪfɪˈkeɪʃn̩/
מילים ארוכות — שימו לב להטעמה: proprietary /pɹəˈpɹaɪ.ə.tə.ɹi/, vulnerability /ˌvʌln(ə)ɹəˈbɪlɪti/, genuinely /ˈd͡ʒɛn.ju.ɪn.li/, legislature /ˈlɛd͡ʒɪsləˌt͡ʃʊə/, antivirus /ˈantɪvʌɪrəs/

צלילים שדוברי עברית מתקשים בהם:

/w/ — שפתיים מעוגלות, לא /v/: worm /wɝm/, malware /ˈmæl.wɛəɹ/, misquote /mɪsˈkwəʊt/, quotation /kwoʊˈteɪʃn̩/
/æ/ — פתוח יותר מה-“אֶ” העברית, לא כמו “a” ב-“cup”: savvy /ˈsæv.i/, patch /pæt͡ʃ/, malware /ˈmæl.wɛəɹ/, palette /ˈpælɪt/, banger /ˈbæŋ.ə/
/r/ — הלשון לא נוגעת בשום מקום, לא ה-“ר” הגרונית: distribute /dɪˈstɹɪbjuːt/, enforce /ɪnˈfoɹs/, counterpoint /ˈkaʊntə(ɹ)ˌpɔɪnt/, malware /ˈmæl.wɛəɹ/, terrify /ˈtɛɹɪfaɪ/

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הקליטו את עצמכם והשוו למקור, תוך תשומת לב למילים כמו install, worm, distribute.

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