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For me, my perspective is that English belongs to the world.
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It is a world language.
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There's no such thing as bad communication in English.
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We hear a lot about social media today, about how it's affecting different areas of our lives.
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I think the difficulty is going to be really knowing whether what you're listening to is real.
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People join us from Everest Base Camp, you know, that's just fantastic.
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So see if you can top that.
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You're listening to the British Council English Podcast.
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Brought to you by the world's English experts.
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Perfect.
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okay welcome to the english for life podcast everyone i'm here
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today with neil with nearad you've probably actually already seen them quite often on our youtube channels um
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and we're talking about social media and english language learning
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so the effects that social media have had has had on english language learning
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so neil i think you told me you've been teaching 30 what 30 you told Something like that, a few years.
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A few years, many years.
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So like real steadfast teacher here.
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Niraj, how long have you been teaching?
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Around just under 20 years.
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Okay, so collectively, 50 years.
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We've got about over 50 years experience.
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Since before the days of the internet, never mind before the days of social media.
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Okay, so we've got some solid guests on the show today.
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I love how I've just made it my show.
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It's not my show.
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But also most interestingly for the conversation we're having today, you both work a lot with social media today.
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Can you just quickly give like a one sentence liner on what you do with social media right now?
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I manage the social media channels for learners that the British Council has worldwide.
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And we have all the main kind of ones.
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We have Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, X and so on.
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and basically you know we have millions of followers worldwide i think uh eight
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and a half billion something like that and
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and you know i communicate with them every day i'm online every day content
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and live events everything like that every day online yeah every day nira
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so i work with neil and an international team of people who are working on our social media channels
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posting materials for english language learners and also participating in live events live lessons In fact,
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me and Neil collaborate on a Friday live lesson.
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You guys should tune in, by the way.
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Fridays, what time?
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Absolutely.
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It's at two o'clock.
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Two o'clock UK time, Fridays.
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And it's all about, usually we're talking about writing skills for exams.
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Voila.
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Actually, Gabriel, you were right.
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I don't know where he's gone.
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Gabriel was right about that.
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Okay, so I have a couple of questions for you guys.
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Yes.
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Because you've, so you've been teaching, we said, around 30 years, 20 years.
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Yes.
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So you've seen a shift.
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You were teaching when social media came on the scene.
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Absolutely.
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So what I'm really interested to know is we hear a lot about social media today, about how it's affecting different areas of our lives.
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I'm interested, how do you think or how have you noticed that social media has affected English language?
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teaching beforehand
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so how has it affected you in your jobs okay that's a really good question I'm not sure
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that it's affected teaching as much as it could have
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because I'm not sure that teachers are always entirely on board with social media in that
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but in terms of learners it's had a tremendous effect you
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know I was just saying to Neeraj before we started
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when I started teaching there was no opportunity for learners in countries to communicate with other people in English in any way.
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You know, the only English they generally got was in class at school or from cassette tapes.
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We may have to show a picture of that because I don't know if people even know what cassette tapes are anymore.
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But now, you know.
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They're coming back in.
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That's true, yeah.
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Now people are communicating in English every single day through social media.
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They're linking up with groups of people who have the same interests as them.
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They're sharing their ideas they're communicating in a real, a genuine communicative way, you know, about their ideas, their thoughts,
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their opinions, whether they're, you know, on a Taylor Swift board someplace, or whether they're on Reddit or, you know, whatever they're doing, they're able to actually communicate in English,
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you know, and read lots of English, watch lots of English, and interact with it in a meaningful way, which just wasn't possible when I started teaching.
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It just didn't exist.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Well, I would say for teachers, from a teacher's perspective, social media has given us platforms
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that where we can collaborate with each other
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and also find a community where we support each other
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and share ideas
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so that's it's been a I mean for me personally having
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access to a group of teachers like-minded teachers who are sharing materials
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and ideas and supporting each other saying you know well done for that great work I think that's really useful.
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You're right yeah that kind of community of practice among teachers has been a big benefit
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and the sharing
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and we've got one we've got those you know for example
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the British Council teaching English community where you've got teachers from
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all over the world asking questions sharing their problems saying what do I do about this we publicize training
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and all kind of upcoming events as well
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so it keeps people in the loop about what opportunities are available in developing their skills as teachers yeah
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but I just I just want to one thing
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that you said Neil
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which kind of um just to just to see what you have to this challenge
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but But the fact that people are using social media, so here I'd be talking about learners.
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So they'd be using social media every single day to write in English, talk in English, etc. Is there a level,
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therefore, where there is a dilution of English in the sense that, what do I mean by that?
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I mean, because people have to use it a lot more frequently
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and because it's so much more globalized and because people aren't necessarily learning with teachers.
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Do you know what I mean?
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That there's a kind of, there's a new, there's maybe, and maybe it's just an evolution of english but one where
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it's you're talking about moving away from a standard moving away from a standard
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but then people not knowing what the standard really is people not knowing what the standard is
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and is that a good thing is
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that a bad thing i don't know what are your thoughts on
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that and do you mean like in terms of the standards in um their writing their production
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or their speaking all of it all of it yeah
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and just as an anecdote i mean it's not necessarily completely linked to social media
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but um i remember going to an engineering school here in paris
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and everybody was um so they were all speaking english
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but there were no there was nobody in the group who uh had grown up speaking english
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and so it was really funny
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because i entered into the i entered into the room everybody
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was speaking english they were french colombian uh kind of from all over the world
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and I started speaking and they all just stopped
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and looked at me
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and they were like we've never had like somebody who grew up in the UK come in here before
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and they were like your English is really different to ours
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and they all spoke English fluently
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but it was like it was almost like another English had evolved
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and so it's not that example isn't specifically linked to social media
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but I can see how
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that would happen like you were talking about gaming English like people speaking
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and gaming and using abbreviations all the time and
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that just yeah sinking into everyday English I think you're touching on the topic of who does English belong to
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and does it belong to the native speakers of English
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and I mean that's a whole that's another massive area of research and debate
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for my for me my perspective is
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that English belongs to the world it is a world language
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and people use it as they need it as they need to in order to communicate the ideas
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that they want to and as long as everybody understands each other, that's fine.
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Then why teach English if there's no standard?
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If you can do anything you want with it?
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Well, it's not a case that you can do anything you want with it all the time.
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But for me, there's no such thing as bad communication in English.
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You know, if people are communicating English about gaming and it's engaging with the language and they're using it, they're learning different ways to express their ideas,
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Because they're communicating, like what you said there about your engineering school, that filled my heart with joy and happiness.
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The idea of walking into a room with all these nationalities, voluntarily speaking in English, I wouldn't want to impose anything on that.
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I think that's a wonderful thing in itself.
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And like Neera says, it's a world language.
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It belongs to everyone and there are different purposes.
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Of course, there are situations for work and everything else where you have limitations and where you have to use standard forms.
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I think we underestimate people.
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I think people are aware of that.
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And if they're not, it's quite easy to kind of bring it up.
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I mean, you know, there are lots of kind of TikTok videos
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and things like that of Gen Z people at work kind of speaking in some way.
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I'm sure it can happen.
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People can use different language and it might be inappropriate at times.
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But I think it's a very small thing that's easily overcome.
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I think people learn in your own language.
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You know, you switch all the time.
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Yeah, I mean I was going to say, I mean online, in social media you often see people
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uh criticizing each other's use of English and we're talking about native speakers, it's not written like that or you've missed an apostrophe there
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and so there's such large variation in the way we use native speakers use their own language.
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Who owns English?
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I don't know if our listeners know that there is no body that actually officially controls English language like
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perhaps I think in French, that France has an institution that is the official body that
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makes all the rules or says whether there are words allowed or not.
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That doesn't exist in English.
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Yeah okay, we're currently filming in France, hence the, I think, the French reference potentially.
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Yeah, well also because they are the only kind of, yes.
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Oh are they?
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Are they the only?
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Well it's the only one.
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Spain has a Real Académie de Español and they produce the official grammar
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and the dictionary and words are officially authorized
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or not based on what they say
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and it's a group of people who are academics
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and experts in the language but
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but do people pay attention to it um sometimes yes
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because the the the rules are what is applied in in certain contexts academic context
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and and the the official government bulletins and reports
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that come out whether a word is accepted
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or not depends on what these people say
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so we're kind of drifting away a little bit from social media thinking that and And just to bring it back, you know, basically, I understand what you're saying.
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You're absolutely right.
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You know, if your goal is to become a doctor
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and to study medicine in English and to practice as a doctor in English, obviously, your needs are going to be very different from somebody whose goal is to progress in World of Warcraft
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or something like that.
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That's fine.
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But one helps the other, in my experience.
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You know, the fact that the beautiful thing about social media for me, the thing that the reason that I love it is
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because it does connect people and it gives them a chance to communicate about what they're passionate about, what they're interested in.
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And it doesn't feel like work.
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It doesn't feel like they're studying.
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It's like you were saying earlier, inadvertent learning.
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Yeah.
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You know, they're not going there necessarily to learn English, but they're using English and learning English.
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And the impact is tremendous.
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I've seen it, you know, in students.
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And quite a common thing, I mean even my students to this day say to me, oh I wish I could practice more English, practice more speaking, practice more writing.
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Well, social media gives you that opportunity to practice with live, you know, real people in front of you.
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You're not practicing with a machine.
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That's the big question that we get online on our social media channels all the time.
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I have no one to practice with, you know, and we have to say to them, you're practicing right now.
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You're practicing as you write, as you type.
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And it does transfer, you know, you might only be writing, typing comments and stuff like that,
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But that does support your speaking and everything else and all of your kind of familiarity and fluency in English.
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It does help.
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So we have lots of content coming out.
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So one way to practice is go and watch it all and write your comments in the comments box.
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And we'll reply to them as well.
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Yeah, you do.
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So I have one question that I wanted to get on, which I think will be, so what do you think if you had a
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if you had to learn it
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so you learners are watching this video we hope we hope what would be one thing
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that you would say is brilliant about the way
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that they can use and you've kind of touched on this already
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but just as a one-liner brilliant about social media
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and using social media to help them learn English and one thing
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that they need to be wary of so
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if you could give me one each basically
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so Neil one thing that's brilliant about it and one thing
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that they need to be wary of
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and same for you Neeraj for me the the thing that's brilliant about is the flexibility is the fact
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that there's the whole range however you want to interact you
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can interact you know I love tick-tock you know I know it's embarrassing for a man of my age
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but I can't help it I love it And for me, to spend half an hour, 30 minutes, 40 minutes doing that, it's a joy, it's a pleasure.
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So that's a great thing.
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But other people might be interested in other things.
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They might be on Reddit, they might be on Instagram, they might be on X.
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Whatever you want to do, wherever you want to practice, whenever you want to engage in that way, you can do it.
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And you can follow, like I said earlier, your passion or your interest.
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That's the good thing.
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What could be more convenient than pulling out your phone while you're on the bus for 10 minutes?
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You just listen to a podcast or a reply to comment on somebody's post.
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Yeah, so the flexibility, anytime, anywhere, whatever platform you want to go with that.
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Wary?
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Something to be wary of, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, there is...
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This is going to be really hard for Neil.
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It is.
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I'm a bit, you know, super positive on this.
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But there are, of course, I mean, one of the things that we have problems with is, it's not specifically related to language learning,
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but obviously misinformation and amplifying negative behavior and so on.
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That can certainly happen.
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And I think it's something that people are younger than me, which is everyone, let's face it,
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are better at kind of doing and navigating than we give people credit for.
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But there is a risk, and there's a risk of misinformation, even in terms of language teaching.
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I see some content which is factually incorrect.
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So how can they be aware of that?
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Like how can you be aware of that?
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If you're watching it you don't know the grammatical principle of something, like how do you know okay this person I should be listening to, this person I shouldn't be,
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specifically with English language learning?
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Well that's the same skills as kind of discerning any kind of information from the internet, you know you would check the source of the information,
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who's making it, what kind of credentials they have,
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is it somebody who's got a long career in English language teaching and producing this kind of material,
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how many people are in, how many, the kind of people that endorse them as well, there's a kind of whole list of factors,
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I'm sure I'm missing out a few things, but looking at those kind of things tells you the quality of the information you're being given
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and also contrasting what you're hearing
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or what you're looking at with what other people say as well
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and if you see
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that they come inside they're saying the same thing it's probably something to pay attention to yeah
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so it is a risk i mean you know you're right people don't necessarily have the time
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or the motivation to dig in and kind of say is this
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you know is this person a good provider is this content really good
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or not they just kind of go through that
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but to an extent i mean i i think it goes
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back to what i said earlier about there not being any bad way to interact even
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if you're doing that you know the more you do it the more you experience things like
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that there's a lot of self-policing goes on like you said
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earlier with people criticizing their own yeah language things like
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that you do get things like that popping up from time to time
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and people going that's not true that's rubbish
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and we even get it on our we get people popping up on our websites telling us we're wrong
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which we are
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but you know then we have to speak to them whenever you know i understand where you're coming from them
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but actually you know and it kind of works.
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And what about you Niraj?
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One brilliant and one...
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You've just reminded me of something I did with a couple of students and
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a little
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while ago one of my students I got her to to
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create a blog where she was posting audio of her English
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speaking answering questions over the course of a couple of years and
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so I said by the end of the you know the
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two years you'll be able to listen back to how you started and then listen to all your progress.
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And, you know, these things were made public and posted and generally the comments were good, but sometimes there were some comments that weren't that nice.
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And I think that's a problem with social media, that if you put yourself out there, you make yourself vulnerable, you can get trolled.
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What a good idea, though, for learners to do that, to, like, document their...
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I don't know how many...
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I mean, do you often tell your students to do that?
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I mean the idea came from a it was a teacher's conference I went to
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and the speaker said you know we get lots of writing
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and it's easy to correct you've got a record what about
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speaking what's the record of speaking well record everyone's got a phone it's good
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and to add another dimension to it why not publicize it
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and make it available and then other people can listen to it and you get feedback from a much wider variety.
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And so I went with that idea and did some experiments.
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So yeah, coming back to the idea of trolling and negative feedback, I mean that is something that social media has that risk.
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And then there's kind of psychological impacts of that as well.
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You know, if you, a lot of influences complain of being quite heavily trolled
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and that affects their mental health um okay thank you
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so much i have one thing
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that i really would love to get your thoughts on um oh
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which one should i go for um yeah what tre based on
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so both of you spend a lot of time as we
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said on uh on social media right now as part of your jobs
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so what trends do you foresee say in the next
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like five years uh of of english language learners
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of how english language learners use social media to learn english
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but in the next five years like how do you see them using it that's not happening currently
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but little little things that you're seeing
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that's a it's a good question um it's a difficult question because
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prediction in this field is so difficult because five years ago nobody would predict a tick tock
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and you know this has taken over the world this is
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and you know two years ago nobody would predict a gpt
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and it's taken over the world yeah yeah it's a tough one but that's why i'm going to let Neeraj go first.
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I don't know, I think a lot more people would be incorporating AI to the way they use social media,
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having their posts checked automatically.
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Perhaps I think the difficulty is going to be really knowing whether what you're listening to is real,
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whether it's been created by a person or it's been put together.
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So So we're going to hear a lot better quality of English because everything will be checked and filtered.
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Do you think that's going to create a separation between what they can actually do then?
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Yeah, yeah, what's the reality?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, yeah.
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What reality?
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And then it could change expectations as well.
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Interesting.
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How people feel they should present themselves in English.
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how real they can be.
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That's what I think.
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That's so interesting.
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How about you, Neil?
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I mean, there's a couple of issues there that I was kind of thinking of.
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Social media itself, I would say, is largely a kind of democratising kind of thing.
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We have audiences from every country in the world.
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When we have this, it doesn't matter about the income level and so on and everything.
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We just have, you know, it basically has penetrated most of the world at this point and some point.
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But when you talk about technology and when you talk about actual devices and so on, then you've got a risk of different, you know, obviously income and,
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you know, accessibility to things where expense and cost comes in, then becomes an issue that can be difficult.
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Because what I think is going to be the big change is the technology.
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I don't think it's going to be necessarily, you know, platforms change all the time.
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You know, Facebook has gone up, down, TikTok zoomed up.
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That will continue to change.
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And, you know, there will be new channels, new platforms that we don't know now that will take over.
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But I think the technology that we use to interact with it is going to be a big deciding factor.
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There's been lots of failed things so far with, you know, your Google Glass and,
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you know, smart glasses and the recent AI pin thing that kind of didn't do very well and so on.
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But at some point there's going to come a device, you know, we're not always going to be using our phone for this.
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And at some times the barrier is going to come down, I think where your ability to interact with social media is going to be like, kind of always on, no,
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you know, really easy to do at any point.
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I don't know what it's going to be.
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But that will be a fundamental change, I think, because then what you're talking about there, people will be checking and working that all the time, constantly, without having to go to a laptop or a phone or anything like that.
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but that because of the fact that there will be cost involved
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and of course then you've got the risk of developing a two tier
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or multi tier society where a lot of people don't have access to that equipment and then you've got something that's different.
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So interesting, thank you so much, that's been a really interesting conversation, lots of food for thought.
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Can we finish on an up?
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That seems like we're finishing on a bit of a down there.
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You have one up sentence that you can give, go for it.
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Honestly, my sentence would be just, you know, don't be afraid.
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It's always, you know, one of the things is people are shy or nervous about participating, and a lot of people read and watch, but they don't participate.
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And I think, you know, we don't judge people, we don't correct people or anything like that.
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We just want people to communicate.
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To talk, to write.
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Yeah, just, you know, follow our channels, just go on and just jump in.
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If you've got a question, ask it it doesn't matter how you might think it's a
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silly question you might think i should know this forget it just do it
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and if you if somebody says something and you want to respond do it
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a real testament to social media when me
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and neil do these live classes on fridays we always begin
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with a question saying where is everybody connected from please tell us in the comments
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and we get people from mongolia japan north africa middle east latin america
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and it's just incredible all these different countries everybody's connected all
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together all learning english all joining us for this one hour class all about learning writing for an exam
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and it's it's it's really heartwarming to see this community of of people who are supporting each other and
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uh ready to participate so i think that's real real real positive of social media
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we've had people join us from everest base camp you know that's just fantastic to see
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if you can top that if you're somewhere i don't know how you can top
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that based on the moon i don't know
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um super interesting conversation if you've enjoyed this conversation make sure you subscribe to our podcast um
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or our youtube channel because we have lots more podcasts coming out
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videos coming out um and yeah we're going to be talking about some really fascinating topics Yeah, lots to come.
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So, thank you, Neil, Niraj.
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Thanks to you, Nishma.
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See y'all soon.
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Take care.
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Ciao.

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การฝึกพูดภาษาอังกฤษผ่านวิดีโอนี้จะช่วยให้คุณสามารถพัฒนาทักษะการสื่อสารในสถานการณ์ที่เป็นกันเองและเป็นปัจจุบันมากขึ้น โดยเฉพาะเมื่อเกี่ยวข้องกับการใช้โซเชียลมีเดีย การฟังคนที่มีประสบการณ์การสอนมาอย่างยาวนานจะช่วยให้คุณเข้าใจมุมมองที่สำคัญเกี่ยวกับการเรียนรู้ภาษาอังกฤษในยุคดิจิทัล คุณจะได้ฝึกพูดในบริบทที่ช่วยให้การเรียนรู้ของคุณมีประสิทธิภาพมากขึ้น รวมไปถึงการใช้ ชาโดว์อิ้งภาษาอังกฤษ เพื่อจำลองการพูดตามวิดีโอ โดยการได้ยินเสียงพูดที่ชัดเจนและแม่นยำซึ่งจะช่วยเสริมสร้างความมั่นใจในการใช้ภาษาอังกฤษของคุณ

ไวยากรณ์และสำนวนในบริบท

วิดีโอนี้นำเสนอหลายโครงสร้างและสำนวนที่น่าสนใจสำหรับผู้เรียนภาษาอังกฤษ ซึ่งรวมถึง:

  • “There’s no such thing as bad communication in English.” - สำนวนนี้ช่วยเน้นให้เห็นว่าการสื่อสารในภาษาอังกฤษนั้นมีวิธีการหลายรูปแบบและสำคัญที่สุดคือการสื่อสารออกมาให้เข้าใจ
  • “You’ve probably actually already seen them quite often.” - การใช้ “actually” ทำให้ประโยคมีน้ำหนักและแสดงถึงความแน่ใจเกี่ยวกับความคิดหรือข้อสังเกต
  • “We communicate with them every day.” - การใช้ “every day” เป็นการยืนยันให้ผู้เรียนทราบว่าการเรียนรู้ภาษาอังกฤษเป็นเรื่องต่อเนื่องและต้องมีการฝึกฝนสม่ำเสมอ

คุณสามารถเรียนรู้โครงสร้างที่สำคัญเหล่านี้และนำไปใช้ใน เรียนภาษาอังกฤษจากยูทูป ของคุณได้

กับดักการออกเสียงที่พบบ่อย

วิดีโอนี้มีคำและการออกเสียงที่อาจจะเป็นอุปสรรคสำหรับผู้เรียนภาษาอังกฤษ โดยเฉพาะการเน้นเสียงและการพูดที่มีจังหวะ:

  • “social media” - คำนี้อาจมีการออกเสียงที่แตกต่างกันระหว่างผู้พูดที่มีสำเนียงต่างกัน แต่การฟังอย่างตั้งใจจะช่วยให้คุณเข้าใจการออกเสียงได้อย่างถูกต้อง
  • “communicate” - ถ่ายทอดเสียง "c" ที่อ่อนลงอาจทำให้ฟังไม่ชัดเจน การฝึกพูดตามวีดีโอจะช่วยให้คุณออกเสียงได้ถูกต้องมากยิ่งขึ้น
  • “events” - ให้ระมัดระวังการออกเสียง "v" เพื่อไม่ให้เสียงเกิดความสับสน

การใช้ shadowspeaks หรือ shadow speak จะช่วยให้คุณสามารถฝึกการออกเสียงให้ดีขึ้น และเข้าใจสำเนียงได้ดีขึ้นเมื่อพูดตามเสียงของผู้สนทนา

ไวยากรณ์ในวิดีโอนี้

โครงสร้างที่ผู้พูดใช้บ่อยที่สุด พร้อมคำพูดจริงจากวิดีโอ:

โครงสร้างในวิดีโอ
Present perfect continuous have/has been + -ing — การกระทำที่เริ่มก่อนหน้านี้และยังดำเนินอยู่you've been teaching · have you been teaching
Present perfect have/has + กริยาช่อง 3 — เหตุการณ์ในอดีตที่ยังเกี่ยวข้องกับปัจจุบันhave had · I've just made · you've seen
Relative clauses who / which + อนุประโยค — ข้อมูลเพิ่มเติมเกี่ยวกับคนหรือสิ่งของpeople who are · people who have · teachers who are
Passive voice be + กริยาช่อง 3 — เน้นสิ่งที่เกิดขึ้น ไม่ใช่ผู้กระทำis applied · is accepted · being given

เทคนิค Shadowing คืออะไร?

Shadowing เป็นเทคนิคการเรียนรู้ภาษาที่ได้รับการรับรองทางวิทยาศาสตร์ พัฒนาขึ้นสำหรับการฝึกนักแปลมืออาชีพ วิธีการนี้เรียบง่ายแต่ทรงพลัง: คุณฟังเสียงภาษาอังกฤษจากเจ้าของภาษาและพูดตามทันที — เหมือนเงาที่ตามผู้พูดด้วยช่วงเวลาห่าง 1-2 วินาที การวิจัยแสดงว่าเทคนิคนี้ปรับปรุงความแม่นยำในการออกเสียง ทำนองเสียง จังหวะ การเชื่อมเสียง การฟังเข้าใจ และความคล่องแคล่วในการพูดได้อย่างมีนัยสำคัญ

เทคนิค shadowing: อ่านคู่มือฉบับเต็มทีละขั้นตอน →