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Well hey there idiots, welcome back to Observe.
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In today's video I'm going to be utilizing my certifications in high stakes communication,
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credibility, and non-verbal analysis in order to hopefully add some more clarity to the ongoing Clancy case.
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And on that note, the Lindsey Clancy case has continued to take the internet by storm over the past couple of weeks.
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There have been a myriad of conspiracy theories and hypotheses centered around the case, and the case itself, the ongoings,
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the trial itself, has not necessarily added any clarity to that.
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For those of you that do not know, Lindsay Clancy has been found guilty, has admitted to murdering her three children.
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However, it doesn't seem to be as straightforward as all of that.
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The internet is one of the predominant factors in this, even within this.
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For the first time in my history on the internet, working with so many different cases and analyses around those cases,
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I have never seen a court actually invite in some of
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the conspiracy theories surrounding the case itself to be able to address it.
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They've been doing that, but even with that in mind, things are still messy to say the least.
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In today's video, I'm going to be analyzing the nonverbal communication of Sue or Susan Clancy, which is Patrick's mother.
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This is the mother-in-law to Lindsay Clancy, the one who was found at this point who has been found guilty of murdering her three kids.
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There are so many different details, so many different theories, so many misconceptions and everything that have been floating around which has,
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I fear, only added to the biases that I can have walking into this.
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So some of the biases that I wanted to acknowledge up front to you is
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that I have been seeing the internet is positively wrought with conflict centered around this case.
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And so I've been trying to hear both sides as best as possible, but then with that, acknowledging that and understanding that,
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removing myself from those opinions so that I can walk into this analysis as open
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and as blank of a slate
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or as blank of a page as I possibly can
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while going into this
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because I don't want to stray into looking for things for things to solve
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or to fit a puzzle that I already have preconceived.
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Along with that, something that I brought up in my last analysis regarding Patrick Clancy is
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that I have a tendency to immediately want to just buy into whatever anybody's saying.
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I don't like, I don't like that people lie.
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I just want to believe them, that what they say, I want to be there for them
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and support them if especially if they're saying that they're hurting in some way.
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In this specific video we will have a period of a few minutes of just establishing a baseline.
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That's where the questions that are being asked of Sue or Susan are not implicative on any level,
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they're not heavily weighted, it's nothing that she needs to be stressed about.
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And then after that we'll get into the rest of her testimony in
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which we'll be able to hopefully see some of the emotional drives behind what she is saying.
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It all centers around establishing a baseline
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and then comparing those patterns of what's established in the baseline to other instances where they could perhaps be deceitful
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or want to manipulate some of the perception, something along those lines.
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And it's that contrast that helps add more clarity.
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If you don't establish that baseline, your accuracy will drop.
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The system that I'm functioning through here is going to be an artist tablet combined with an editing hardware, a hub here that will allow me to pause,
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play, scroll forward and backwards to be able to better highlight numberable movements as well as live annotation.
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All of it hopefully lending towards better consumability for you.
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I think that's enough of my talking.
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I do a lot of that in these videos
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so I'm gonna go ahead and try to dive directly into this video now
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and we'll break down everything that we can see as we go through it.
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You know the drill.
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Counselor.
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Thank you.
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Good morning.
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Good morning.
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Like I said, you can wear steps and also dress down here as well.
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Thank you.
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And just tell us your name and spell it please.
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Susan Clancy, S-U-S-A-N, C-L-A-N-C-Y.
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And what time are you living?
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Situate.
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And you married two of Chris Clancy.
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Yes.
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And both you and Chris are mother and father of Pat Clancy.
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Correct.
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And you are obviously with and know Lindsay.
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Yes.
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Tell us what your relationship was with Lindsay, how you know her, and what's that?
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Yeah, Lindsay married my son Patrick, And we had a very good relationship.
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And did you have occasion to go to their home?
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Yes.
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Weymouth?
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Yes, I did.
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And then in Duxbury as well?
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Correct.
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And obviously, you and your husband were the grandparents of the three little kids.
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Yes.
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And how was your relationship with the babies?
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Beautiful.
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And tell us how frequently, to your memory, you were able to visit with your son,
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Lindsay, And of course, your grandchildren?
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At least a couple times a month we would see them.
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At some point, by the way, what do you do for work?
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I'm an IRN.
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I'm sorry, an IRN?
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An IRN.
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And what type of, any focus?
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I worked in the labor and delivery room for about 38 years.
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38 years in labor and delivery?
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Correct.
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Helping women that were having babies.
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Correct.
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And obviously, you kept up with the studies and continuing education and things?
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Yes, I did.
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To that extent, in your capacity as an RN with 38, well back then it would have been 35 years of experience, I think.
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Yes.
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Fair to say that, as I said, you would keep up with all of recent developments in postpartum psychosis, postpartum depression, all of that?
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Somewhat, but I mean we just was in the delivery room itself.
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So were you aware of the various physicians that were in the forefront,
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if you will, of postpartum studies as it relates to medicine?
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Yes.
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Go ahead.
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Would one of the people that you were interested in be a person by the name of Dr. Meg Spinelli?
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Yes.
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Can you tell us who Meg Spinelli is?
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I don't really know Meg Spinelli well.
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We've spoken a couple of times.
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I believe she specializes in postpartum mental health.
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And have you met with her before?
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Not in person.
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Okay.
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Did you at some point ask Dr. Spinelli to help out at your hospital?
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And I guess they call it a rounds lecture?
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I asked her to bring on her experience and education in that area and share it with my colleagues.
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Did she do that?
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She did.
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So some things that stick out to me, her blink rate is a blink every three to 10 seconds.
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It will average within there, and that sits pretty average.
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So if we see any increase or decrease from that, it can serve as a PIN.
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And for some terminology for you, PIN stands for a point of interest. With
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that in mind, you want to be able to have three points of interest across two different channels within seven seconds of the stimulus.
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And what I mean by the channels is that I use the scans method in my nonverbal analyses.
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And the scans method holds to the concept that human communication functions largely through six avenues of communication, both verbal and nonverbal.
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And so with that, when I'm saying there has to be three different pens across two different channels, that means that there has to be three points of interest and irregularity,
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an anomaly of some form across two different channels.
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And that can be nonverbal or verbal within seven seconds of the stimulus.
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It can be a question, it can be an instance, it can be a thought, what have you, but it has to be within that period.
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If all of that does happen and coincide, then that serves as an overt red flag, something that would be like, okay, so we need to circle back around to that, ask more questions.
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In this sort of circumstance, I'm going to bet that there's not going to be too much that would require that from her.
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She's not really being implicated in this.
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She's not a key moving factor of this.
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However, her testimony does add a lot of weight and context, especially emotionally, to what's going on in the case around.
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So these are all aspects that I'm trying to focus on as I'm going through this.
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Back onto her baseline as well, we see that she has her head tilted regularly and this tilting of the head, the most predominant reason behind it is inquisitiveness.
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She does not have an overt proclivity towards hunching up or
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dipping her head down while speaking and that means
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that we can rely on that possibly being a an indicator of defensiveness in the future.
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Along with that, we're able to kind of hear how she responds to various things.
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She seems to be pretty frank, straightforward, and communicative.
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This would make sense with her specific profession being a nurse, and her profession being a nurse involved in this questioning has
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some weight to it considering the postpartum aspects of this case that have been brought up.
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So we'll be paying attention to that.
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Along with that, you can see that her eyes are fairly intense, and I think that that bleeds over into her son,
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Patrick, where we also were able to acknowledge that his gaze is fairly intense.
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And so with that in mind, it's better that we do not allow that intensity to sway us emotionally as we're going through this.
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It's just an aspect of her baseline.
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She does seem to be comfortable admitting that she doesn't know things
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if she doesn't really know them or isn't clear on them.
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And again, like I said, her answers are fairly concise.
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There's not a lot of ums or uhs or ramblings.
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She doesn't pack her narrative very heavily.
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She doesn't seem to be a very dynamic human being that's gesturing broadly or talking too much.
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I think that that wraps up a decent amount of what we're able to gather from her baseline.
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From this point on, we'll be comparing the patterns that we see in this
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to the patterns that we saw in that portion.
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Also making note, this is courtroom footage.
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So one, the audio is iffy at best.
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You would think that they'd have this down by now, but they do not.
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On top of that, many of the clips
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that we're going to be dealing with were a wide angle shot of the entirety of the courtroom.
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So I crashed zoomed in on her specifically.
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I'll annotate that at the bottom so you can kind of see when it's zoomed in.
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But if you see some areas where it's just like, wow, this is some pretty awful quality footage, it's because that's what the courtroom provided for us and it's zoomed at as best as possible.
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All of those technicalities and the baseline details out of the way, it is now time to begin the full analysis portion of this.
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I find that Lindsay was interested at all times trying to get better and see dark.
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Very much so.
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Did you find at all, you have an opinion with your observations of Lindsay as to whether
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or not she was offered help and would just spurn it and not see doctors and not have treatment.
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She was begging for help.
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And during that period of time, you were there for her by text and by telephone and in person.
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Correct.
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Now, during that time that you were, let's say November and into December, the holiday season, Do you recall the holidays for 2022?
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Yes.
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Tell us, was that a fun time for the Clancy's?
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Lindsay was struggling.
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We were all very concerned.
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You knew in January, New Year's actually, that she ended up going to the McLean Hospital?
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You know that she'd initially get out of the hospital.
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Yes.
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Throughout that, again, she keeps her verbal cadence the same.
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Her answers are pretty direct.
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There's not a lot of fluff to them.
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She's not adding filler words.
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And that doesn't stray from her baseline.
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If she does, if she starts adding a lot of filler words or she starts rambling a lot, I would have some questions.
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It strays from that pattern.
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Something else that I forgot to mention within the baseline building portion
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that I did make note of and stays consistent through this portion of the questioning is her breathing rate.
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She breathes at an average rate.
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It doesn't sound like she's really taking in some short breaths.
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Sometimes you can hear the drawn out, I would call them plosives, of her breathing into the microphone.
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You can kind of hear an even measured breathing pace.
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Now if that changed, if suddenly you can hear it go like
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and you can kind of hear that like those plosives starting to affect the microphone more quickly, then that could be an indicator of anxiety.
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That's one of the common indicators of anxiety is an increased breath rate.
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There are no indicators throughout this, at least portion of the questioning that would push me to disbelieve what she's saying.
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It seems as though she's being authentic.
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In another area where she's not super certain on the aspects of it, you can see her do a shrug and a head tilt.
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I don't know.
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That lets us know that if we see that come out in another time where she's not saying, I don't know, that would be her body's representation of that, pay attention to the body, not necessarily to the words.
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It's easy for people to lie with their words.
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It's much more difficult for people to lie with the rest of their body.
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Something that I found interesting is that Sue, Susan Clancy, Patrick's mother, is testifying for the defense,
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for Lindsay Clancy, while Patrick is not testifying for the defense.
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And this was something that I had a lot of difficulty with.
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I was curious, like, what, why?
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Just again, why?
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Why would all of this be happening?
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Say everybody was innocent, right?
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This was just a really tragic situation.
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Why, why then would there even be a case to have all of this unfold at?
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And I dove down the litigations of Commonwealth and what their requirements and what they're held to and their standards.
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And it led me to this point of, okay, I get why, even if everybody was as innocent as they can be in this situation,
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I get why the Commonwealth is picking at this, is pushing at this because it, they're necessitated to in instances where everybody isn't like, yeah, we are all on the same page.
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Then it opens the doors for things like manipulation
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and being paid off and intimidations and things like this that could encourage a family to be like, yeah, there's nothing wrong with this when there really could be.
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So I get why the Commonwealth is doing it.
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I'm not a huge fan of the fact that it feels like some of this at, again, if we're taking everybody at their word, it feels like the Commonwealth is just inserting themselves into the middle of this.
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However, However, as things have continued to unfold, it doesn't seem as though everything is clean, cut, and dry as has been previously assumed.
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Some of the most predominant factors that are pushing
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that narrative now is
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that here recently there have been a couple of early breaks of early releasing of the juries due to new unforeseen information.
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At the very least, it's an interesting aspect.
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Why would they have broken early, been released two different times from my understanding?
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could be the new information what are the complexities
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and boy oh boy again the internet is
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so filled with theories some seem to have some more credibility
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to it other ones it just seems as though people are bored
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and they're just connecting strings
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that don't have any business being connected just going through confirmation bias
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and and making a story or a narrative
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that makes sense to them due to incomplete information or something along those lines regardless it's time to continue on through this.
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You said that you began to notice some issues in, well, Defense Counsel said October,
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November, but fair to say you weren't aware of what was going on until she texted you on November 16th
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when she was at the emergency room.
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Yes.
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And that was at South Shore Hospital.
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Yes.
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And you actually met her there at the emergency room.
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Yes.
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Was she by herself or with Patrick?
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She was by herself.
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Did you know how she got there?
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She drove.
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She drove herself to the hospital?
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Correct.
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And she was in the emergency room for a while, correct?
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I don't know how long, probably an hour, maybe two hours.
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Well, you went down when you knew she was there, sat with her for a little bit, went back upstairs to your, because you were working that day, right?
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Correct.
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I wasn't able to go down immediately.
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I had to wait about an hour and a half, and then I went down.
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Okay.
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And then you sat with her for a little bit, went back up to work, right?
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Yes and then he came back down at some point before she was discharged.
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Non-verbally speaking from Sue's side of things, again, she's very affirmative, she has a lot of head nods in there,
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she's saying the yeses, and so I would be keeping my eye out where there'd be any desynchronization between that.
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Sometimes when you see a person say an affirmative, you can sometimes catch a little micro no-shake in there.
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And within her culture, which again, this is very specific, this is not a universal thing within the American culture that she grew up in, the yeses, ups and downs,
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and the noes are left and right.
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So if you see a yes, then it's a yes, and if you see a no, then it's a no. That's working with her specific culture.
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It's not working universally.
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There are other regions in the world that that does not hold true, but it will for her.
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So as she's saying these yeses, she's saying yeses.
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At times also that she's recollecting, I've been paying attention to where she looks as she's recollecting, Something that I call light to regularly here on the channel,
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but do not actually utilize on any level, is something called eye accessing cues or directional eye cues.
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And the concept is that as a person is remembering an authentic memory,
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be it auditory or visual or inner dialogue or something along those lines, then they look into a specific field in their vision.
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If it's a manufactured or a fake or a forced or a false memory, they'll be looking in a different region of their field of view.
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This has been established loosely by, I would say, pretty watered down research as something that people do.
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It's not something that's universal.
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It's not something that I've established for her specifically.
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What I have established is that she will look around while recalling.
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And there has been a decent amount of research to say that people, when recollecting genuinely, will break eye contact and at times also narrow their eyes.
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So as she's looking through this, if you notice her looking off into different directions, for her specifically, okay.
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That's kind of it.
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It seems as though, yeah, she's likely remembering in those areas.
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In my video on Patrick, what I was able to establish through his baseline building portion is that he tended to look off to one direction, and if he strays from that, it could service as a point of interest,
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a red flag, a possibility of something else going on psychologically that he's not actually giving light to.
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for hers there's not that pattern these are all aspects
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that I want to be able to call light to from
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her side of things from the prosecution side of things something
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that I'll I noticed as going through this
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which you might see here in this video regularly as I was watching through the entirety of the testimony something
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that the prosecution does regularly is this phrase of fair to say dot dot dot
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and that fair to say dot dot dot phrase is all in all fairly benign
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but But there are multiple points in which that phrasing is utilized and it seems as though intentionally to try to get,
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in this case, Sue, to commit to a storyline, a specific narrative, which she does a decent job at within this testimony of being like,
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no, that's not it.
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Which takes some courage, that takes some confidence and
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that takes some holding to the actual truth to be able to butt up against that in such a high pressure situation.
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It's that phrasing with seeding possibly false narrative
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or at very least weighted narrative that made me lose respect for the prosecution while going through this.
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As there were multiple instances where it was very clear
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that they were trying to get Sue to say a specific thing
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or agree to a specific thing when it was not the case.
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And it didn't seem as though that was just an innocent, oh, oopsie poopsie.
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It seemed as though it was calculated.
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And to me, that feels nefarious.
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and manipulative, but that is also just a part of the legal game, so to speak.
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The time period, well, you knew she was going and getting, going to see providers and meeting with Julie and going to the clinic.
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Did you offer to help out more with the kids?
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Yes.
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You were still working full-time at that time, weren't you?
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Yes.
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So fair to say it was kind of limited based on your schedule?
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Correct.
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Did you have a normal schedule that you worked at that time period?
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I don't know what you mean.
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Well, as a nurse, did you work day shifts?
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Did you work mids?
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I worked the day shift.
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So, did you offer to watch the kids at nighttime?
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I don't remember exactly.
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Did the kids come to stay at your house overnight so that she could get some sleep?
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No, they didn't.
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Fair to say you offered and she didn't want the kids to come to your house, right?
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No, that's not right.
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Well, So were they, did they ever sleep over your house?
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No, they didn't.
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And Cora was five, right?
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Yes, correct.
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She turned five that December.
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So at any point they never stayed over?
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We decided together it was best for them to be in their own beds at their own house with all their belongings.
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and Lindsay's parents were very actively involved in staying over and helping out.
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So it was the best decision that they stay home in their own beds.
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This is one of those portions
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that I had mentioned earlier where I was saying it seems as though the prosecution is trying to say, it's fair to say dot dot dot, yes, yeah, you agree to that.
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And it takes a level, like I said, it takes a level of courage and a desire to stick to the truth, to push up against something like that and be like, no, that's not it.
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And I think due to that, there at the end, as we're watching Sue try to respond and almost explain and excuse,
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I don't know, I don't know the best word to be able to use there, but explain this circumstance, this dynamic of where the kids did
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or didn't stay and who stayed over where and whatnot she starts to feel a little bit uncomfortable.
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You can hear it in her breath as she starts to take more frequent breaths.
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One, that is an indicator of anxiety.
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But then on top of that, sometimes you could hear the shakiness of those breaths where she's breathing in,
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but it's like where you can hear it has stages or shakiness or quiveriness to an indicator again of anxiety, stress, and nerves.
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However, as she's doing that, it makes contextual sense because she's pushing up against the prosecution here.
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She's going to bat, more or less, for the defense's side of things and setting a narrative straight,
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which is anxiety-inducing in any form of situation, let alone in such a heavily publicized legal circumstance like this.
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So that to me makes sense why we did hear that in there.
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Something else that is utilized in the scans method is what is referred to as the ABCs and those are the account,
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the baseline, and the context.
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So the account is the overriding narrative, what happened within that as far as our understanding.
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This is through evidence, this is through eyewitness testimony and other testimonies and whatnot.
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That's the overarching narrative of what's going on, the account of things.
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The baseline, as we've already talked about, is how they behave when they're not feeling overtly stressed.
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They're not being implicated.
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They're not being challenged or questioned on any level.
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That's where we can see their more neutral resting baseline behaviors.
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And then the context is everything else that can be the environment.
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It can include aspects of the account, but it's everything else that could have an effect on the behaviors that are happening at the time.
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So as you're going through this, if you cannot explain a certain behavior through either the account, the baseline, or the context, and it occurs through that,
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it's three pins across two channels within seven, seven seconds of a stimulus,
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then it's inarguable that something is going on there that you have to pay attention to.
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But those parameters are important to keep in place.
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Because if you don't, if you don't have those systems, those checks and balances, as you're going through this, it's extremely easy to start looking for issues and be like,
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I see, I found the thing that I was looking for, they're behaving this way because I was looking for it and
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so you confirm a bias rather than taking in information and what it actually can provide.
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And so these are all aspects that I'm trying to keep in mind as I'm going through this.
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Throughout that answer question and answer period there, while I called out the the issues with the prosecution's verbal approach to things,
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I do have appreciation for how Sue responded to those aspects.
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She seems to be again trying to answer very clearly and even in the times that she's starting to feel nervous, she doesn't try to shift blame.
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She doesn't try to manipulate away from it.
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She doesn't try to redirect detention.
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She simply adds the details that are necessary for clarification and understanding within that specific context.
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Kudos to Sue for this.
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A little bit of a ding against the prosecutions.
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Overall, I would feel moral character, albeit again with some exceptions in there.
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Now, you were asked about the holidays and Thanksgiving.
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You remember Thanksgiving?
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Where did you guys go for Thanksgiving?
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To my daughter's house.
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And do you remember telling the grand jury that during Thanksgiving things were better?
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I don't recall.
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Well, do you remember saying that she she said things were better?
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Do you remember that vaguely?
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Okay.
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You were asked what was Lindsay like during the big Thanksgiving gathering?
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What observations?
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Did you make answer?
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She smiled.
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The girls all had Thanksgiving t-shirts on that sort of matched.
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We took a picture.
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She mostly focused on the kids and interacting with the cousins and the aunts and uncles.
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At one point, she went off a little into the distance
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and I approached and asked her how she was doing and she said, I'm trying hard to get better.
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I'm still working at it.
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I asked about her sleep.
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I thought that was important and also the fact that she lost some weight.
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She didn't have an appetite and she said things were getting better.
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Okay.
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The synchronized nonverbal communication from Sue throughout this.
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As she sings, I don't know, for instance, she might have a little bit of a lopsided shoulder in there, which, again, that backs it up.
415
A lopsided shrug usually is an indicator of a lack of sincerity, perhaps, or a lack of security.
416
So saying an I don't know while flashing a lopsided shrug like that, that's synchronized.
417
Following that with her head, she has a little no movement in there.
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That all, again, it flows synchronized across her body.
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There's nothing that's orchestrated.
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It's not functioning in stages.
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There's no desynchronization of I don't know and then maybe a shrug
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and then a head shake where you can tell it's being orchestrated and consciously being produced.
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All of it's flowing naturally for her.
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Throughout that as well, we hear she's staying in her same verbal baseline that we've been able to establish.
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Her vocal tone stays the same.
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She hasn't changed in her pitch or consistency.
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She also doesn't change in her volume.
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She's not getting heated.
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She's not losing force behind her words, indicating perhaps insincerity or insecurity in what's being said.
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It stays consistent.
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It is very obvious that she's tired.
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I can only imagine the people involved in this case, how exhausted they must be at this point.
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Everybody involved, regardless of guilt or not.
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This has been extremely stressful and tenuous as they're going through this.
435
And again, with how heavily televised it is and how involved the media is, It's no doubt an extraordinary amount of psychological pressure for everybody that's involved.
436
So you could see that weariness in her nonverbal communication
437
that might be adding to some of that subdued verbal tones and intonations and overall rather muted nonverbal communication.
438
Throughout this entire segment, there was nothing that detracted from her credibility in this circumstance.
439
I would be inclined to believe her perspective, which again, that's, I think that's something that I should repoint out.
440
I think it's fairly common knowledge,
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but just to reemphasize, nonverbal communication analysis is all centered around whether or not the person themselves believes what they're saying.
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If they believe what they're saying, their nonverbal communication will only back that up.
443
However, there is still some more to go with, and there's something at the very end of this video that has drawn some attention nonverbally, and I'd like to talk about that when we get to it at the very end of this.
444
Now, during the holidays, you in fact took some time off of work
445
so that you were around a little bit more, correct?
446
Correct.
447
And so when you were around a little bit more, did you spend all day every day at their house?
448
No. Fair to say you would come sometimes play with the kids, right?
449
Yes.
450
Do shopping for her?
451
Correct.
452
And then you actually went on vacation?
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Yes.
454
You and your husband went to Aruba?
455
Yes.
456
How long were you in Aruba?
457
Five or six days, I think.
458
Something that I wanted to call light to because it popped up again, and I've seen it pop up a few times so maybe some of you watching this have seen.
459
Sometimes when she's responding to a question, she will have an eye blocking gesture come in there.
460
An eye blocking gesture is anything that lasts, it's an eye closure that lasts longer than a blink.
461
She has had
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that come in there in multiple points where there was no reason for her to try to manipulate
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or twist the truth on any level.
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in her baseline building portions where she'll respond affirmatively to something, but there will be a yes.
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And that eye-blocking gesture technically doesn't brush up against that.
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It can, especially if it doesn't coincide with the baseline, the account, and the context.
467
It can really be problematic.
468
The reason for that is that eye-blocking gestures can be related to a desire to separate oneself.
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And that can be verbally, that can be a physical distance, whatever's happening in a situation a stimulus is happening and there's a desire to separate from it.
470
Eye blocking gesture comes in.
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It can be that situation.
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It has also been shown that it is an enabler for better psychological processing
473
or remembering as a person closes their eyes to remember or feel an instance more.
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It helps them process that and make it feel more tangible for themselves.
475
It can also be something to where they'll close their eyes to, like I was mentioning with the information, to hold emotions out, so to speak,
476
if they're feeling very turbulent and something's going to well up, like they're going to cry or they're going to get very angry or something along those lines,
477
you could see somebody close their eyes and try to recollect themselves.
478
Those patterns show up regularly across nonverbal communication.
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It does not necessarily mean a desire to distance oneself.
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She hasn't come up in areas where there's no reason for her to want to distance herself.
481
So it lets us know, according to her baseline, that it could potentially come up in other areas where,
482
again, even though it is considered a possible eye-blocking gesture, her baseline explains it.
483
Now moving towards Christmas, you had dinner with them at their house on the 23rd, right?
484
I don't remember. Do you remember?
485
I like that little cluster there.
486
I'll go ahead and go back down here on the screen
487
so I can actually use this system that I've been talking about recently
488
but where did you get the whole visitation around Christmas
489
and you can see here on the screen this expression here
490
this is a oops expression is what I like to call it
491
but that's just my terminology what it's based out of is actually partially fear
492
when you see the corners of the mouth being pulled down into the sides like
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that kind of expression tension comes in
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and it is always accompanied by tension in the neck as well
495
and it's based out of the fear emotion and the fear within this is centered around the uncertainty.
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She doesn't feel certain on that.
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And that would be the oops side of things.
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And so the fear is encouraging that sort of emotional reflection to come across her face.
499
Regardless, I just wanted to kind of call light to that because I found it interesting.
500
Maybe you will.
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And we're going to now continue.
502
I don't remember.
503
Okay.
504
Do you remember breakfast on Christmas day?
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Yes.
506
Was that at their house or someplace else?
507
Their house.
508
Okay.
509
And then what did you guys do after breakfast?
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We went to church.
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And fair to say you've previously testified that breakfast was great.
512
Yes.
513
And that church was beautiful.
514
Yes.
515
And in fact, um, the defendant, she told you that it was great and that she was glad she went to church that day on Christmas.
516
Yes, she did.
517
And then after, um, that, uh, you're aware, uh, they went down to Connecticut to see her family.
518
Right.
519
So as we're going through this, something that I just find a little interesting, a couple of pins across some channels here.
520
So it's not quite three, but I mean, it's getting there kind of thing is that after this response
521
and interaction around the church side of things and the interactions around
522
that she has a substantial swallow and then a lip lick
523
thereafter and that combo the swallow and the lip lick it could push down
524
that level of a little spike of anxiety I'm not sure why
525
that spike of anxiety might be cropping up there it's not also necessary
526
that that is anxiety again it was only two pins there wasn't a third one
527
so maybe maybe it was just a happenstance and that's something that I got to keep in mind.
528
It did happen there.
529
There were two pins that did crop up there, but it's not necessarily enough to be like, ooh, focus in on, come back around.
530
It could be lightly, maybe bring it up again, see if there is another spike around that.
531
And then, then you've got something to go off of, but off of this one, just wanted to call light to that in case anybody noticed that, saw that, that swallow in there and that lip lick.
532
Yes, it can mean anxiety.
533
No, there was not enough around that and not enough detail, especially non-verbally around that to say, ooh, that's a portion that she might be nefarious on.
534
Now, are you an active member in the Catholic Church?
535
Yes.
536
So you're aware that murder is considered a mortal sin?
537
Counsel, can I see you over here?
538
With that, obviously, this portion has taken the internet a lot by storm as well, because I feel, again, kind of sleazily,
539
greasy, kind of like behavior from the prosecution.
540
They brought in this religious side of things.
541
So I don't have, again, this is another area that I lost respect for the prosecution and their approach.
542
They've done some things in the past where it seems like they're obviously trying to construct a narrative
543
that fits a specific thing.
544
And then in this area, they're trying to use religion as a manipulation point.
545
It's just greasy stuff.
546
now on that though while we're going through this
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when she asks the question of is you know are you
548
a part of your your church your the the church body
549
are you a regular attendee she has some interesting responses to
550
that I find curious at very least so
551
when she says yes yes we are there's a hesitation hesitation at least it just implies psychological processing that happened there.
552
I'm curious what that psychological processing was.
553
Nothing to do with this case.
554
Something else that kind of backs
555
that up a little bit is you can see down here on the screen when she responds, she says yes.
556
And you can see her eyes there have a fluttering blink in there that does not exist nearly as commonly elsewhere.
557
Again, we mentioned in her baseline building portion, she has a blink every three to 10 seconds on average.
558
This one has a fluttering blink and another blink shortly thereafter that indicates an increase in cognitive load.
559
She's processing something extra psychologically there and that hesitation in there.
560
And I think here as well, yeah, if you watch this as well, you can see her left shoulder here on the screen.
561
It's very hard to see because she's also nodding with that, but there's light activation on one side of her shoulder, just a little bit more mixed with that.
562
So that's three pins.
563
There's a fluttering blink.
564
There's a hesitation that's a break from her vocal patterning.
565
And then she has that lopsided shrug in there.
566
I just have some questions around that.
567
But again, it has nothing to do with the actual case.
568
It just has to do with her actual relationship to the religion itself.
569
But this is one of those instances.
570
Three pens, two different channels, seven seconds.
571
There might be something else going on there.
572
Ask some extra questions, things like that.
573
So with that in mind, we're going to go ahead and continue on through this as the judge addresses that.
574
Because you can hear him at the end there after the prosecution asked
575
that you can hear him slap the desk and say, all right, y'all come up here.
576
We've got some things to talk about because they crossed a line that shouldn't be crossed.
577
And now we're going to hear him talk about it.
578
All right.
579
And what that means is you are not to consider it for any reason or any purpose.
580
Okay.
581
All right.
582
Counsel.
583
So you were aware, Mrs. Clancy, about the stay at McLean Hospital from January 1st to January 5th, correct?
584
Yes.
585
And did you come to the house to help with the kids during that time period?
586
Yes.
587
And fair to say when she came home on the 5th, there was a party for Cora on the 7th.
588
Yes.
589
Did you go to the birthday party?
590
No. Were you at the house much between January 7th and January 24th?
591
I don't remember.
592
Do you recall previously reporting that you hadn't been at the house?
593
I don't remember.
594
And during that time period, you never took the kids on a day trip or for a visit?
595
I don't recall.
596
And were you aware that between January 7th and January 24th
597
that Pat and Lindsay went to the Cape Cod air with the kids?
598
I'm aware of that.
599
And that they went to the Museum of Science with the kids?
600
Yes.
601
And that Pat left Dawson and Callen home,
602
or excuse me, left, yeah, Dawson and Callen home to go take care of skiing.
603
Were you aware of that? you aware of that?
604
It sounds accurate to me.
605
On the ski trip, did they ask you to come over and stay with Lindsay while she was with the other kids?
606
I don't remember.
607
There's a lot of I don't remembers in this segment.
608
Just, I don't remember that.
609
I don't remember that.
610
Sounds accurate, but I'm not sure.
611
That line of speaking, some people have been looking at this online and saying like, oh, it's so weird how she could remember certain aspects
612
so clearly in other aspects she just doesn't seem to have a memory on and that's suspicious.
613
And frankly, no, it's not.
614
If you think that just because somebody doesn't have memory in certain areas, but they do in other areas, that means they're suspicious.
615
That's just confirmation bias.
616
It can indeed, but you need to be able to gather more information than just that.
617
Human memory is renowned for being extremely fickle and extremely malleable.
618
You can twist and alter a person's perception and their retroactive memory of aspects of things very, very easily through a number of different methods.
619
So the fact that she's saying, I don't remember that.
620
I don't remember that.
621
Oh, I do remember that kind of, but I don't remember that.
622
That adds to her credibility.
623
If she, every time there was something brought up, any small minute detail was like, oh yes, I remember that it was at 3.55 PM, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
624
It very to the point that would almost service as more of a problem than her having a faulty memory in areas.
625
Some people with like conditions or disorders have the ability to memorize everything down to the second, and that's just how their brain works.
626
It's very chronological, timeline-oriented, very exact.
627
That's not how she has ever held to.
628
She hasn't been an encyclopedia or a time clock of events ever within her testimony, so I want her to call light to that.
629
Backing that up as she's going through this with her I don't know responses or I don't remember responses.
630
It's followed by synchronized nonverbal communication.
631
Either there will be an eye blocking gesture as she might be trying to remember
632
or she'll break her eye contact in some direction or another.
633
It's also amplified by a no shake, which backs up the verbal, I do not remember something.
634
And there are even aspects where she has shrugs in there as well as she's talking about this.
635
And it all fits within her verbal cadence as Well, again, throughout all of this, there hasn't been enough for me.
636
If I had been hired on this case to consult, I would not look at anything that I've seen so far and be like, this is problematic.
637
This is something that we should focus back in on.
638
She really tried to do something here, or her brain was really carrying out some extra processing here.
639
Let's circle back around and try to see if we could trap her out in something there.
640
There just hasn't been as of yet, except for that little aspect that I said in relation to the religion, which again, has nothing to do with what we're talking about here.
641
And you were asked on direct examination about Lindsay going to see providers and you said,
642
I think she was begging for help, right?
643
She was.
644
Did you attend any of those meetings with her therapists or doctors?
645
No. So you don't know what she told the providers, right?
646
I don't know.
647
And you don't know what kind of help she asked for other than medication, do you?
648
No. And do you know whether there was any other options offered to her other than McLean, like a partial hospitalization program or intensive outpatient?
649
Were you aware of those options?
650
Yeah.
651
And do you know if she went?
652
She went to women and infants.
653
So that's the one day where Pat dropped her off and went skiing and then came back, right?
654
I believe so.
655
Throughout that question and answer period, again, nothing that was overt enough and nothing within a cluster.
656
There were definitely not three pins in any singular cluster across
657
any given channels there were a couple areas where there were
658
singular pins like before one of the answers she has a
659
pretty substantial hesitation with a shaky breath in before answering a solid no
660
and then doesn't feel the need to pack that narrative
661
or re-emphasize or convince there's the convincing period after an answer where a person will answer a thing
662
and then they'll convince for a while
663
because they feel like they need to on some level she doesn't have
664
that she's just answering
665
and even in the areas where it seems like maybe there was a question in there or some uncertainty or some anxiety,
666
it is tidied up afterwards and there are no other pins around that to amplify or to
667
raise that to the level of a full red flag that you need to pay attention to.
668
She went there, right?
669
Correct.
670
You know she was turned away because she was over-medicated, right?
671
Yes.
672
You also know that they gave her numbers to call suicide hotlines, right?
673
Yes.
674
She called twice, not once, but twice, and again was turned away.
675
Isn't that right?
676
Yes.
677
Thank you, ma'am.
678
You can kind of hear the difference between the defense's side of things and the prosecution's.
679
The prosecution is sitting out, it would be fair to say that this happened, right?
680
Yeah?
681
Is that how that happened like that?
682
That is what you kind of were thinking, right?
683
She's had moments of being like, no, that's not what I was thinking.
684
And there's been multiple times of that correction where you can tell the prosecution, again, they're trying to get something to stick here.
685
That's not how the defense is approaching this.
686
It's very matter of fact, like this is a thing.
687
Yeah, cool.
688
This is a thing.
689
Yeah, cool.
690
How about this?
691
Cool.
692
And it's that confidence that I find interesting, even just external from Sue herself, from the actual parties involved.
693
The dynamics between the two, I think, are a little highlighting.
694
And so again, all throughout this, Lindsay's side, I only kind of have been feeling for Lindsay's side in this, which is something that I'm trying to acknowledge of like,
695
okay, I don't want to get too far into that trap as well, because that's my bias.
696
I want to support her.
697
She might be hurting.
698
She might be in pain.
699
This may have been something that she's a victim of, possibly.
700
That mindset, I want to keep that in check she could still be manipulating and she could be doing so masterfully,
701
but I'm having difficulty finding a way to find evidence, make that fit.
702
There are some evidences that say that she was maybe controlling, that she had a pretty strict or tight reign over the household that she had,
703
and that was an aspect of things, and that's possibly true.
704
Regardless, we've got very little to go through here.
705
Review the records, did you?
706
No. So you're not aware that they actually deferred to Pat and Lindsay reporting over medication?
707
I remember something being said that she wasn't a candidate for that program.
708
That's what I recall being told by Patrick and Lindsay.
709
Okay.
710
And that's because everything she described was reported connected to medication and occurred well after what's considered the postpartum period, right?
711
I don't know.
712
Well, you're a labor and delivery nurse.
713
You know, the postpartum period could be up to a year, right?
714
I've heard it could be longer.
715
But generally, it's within the first 12 weeks that you start to see some symptoms.
716
I don't know.
717
This is another one of those aspects.
718
One, it's not over in this area, but the prosecution also goes out of its way to try to sow some dissent among the players
719
that are involved in this.
720
She tries to pit Lindsay against Sue and some family pods against other family pods and being like, oh, well, they said this.
721
Did you know they said this in private?
722
Well, see.
723
And it's kind of this attitude of like, I just want you to get mad at the other person, which again, is kind of manipulative, not a big fan of.
724
And then this portion here with the postpartum,
725
I have appreciation for Sue in this because the prosecution tries to generalize in a very manipulative way.
726
They They generalize weighted towards their perspective of things, not towards the overarching actual generality of it.
727
They try to say, oh, well, it's within this area generally that this will happen.
728
Would you agree to that?
729
Would you agree to that?
730
That this is the way that it is and not actually how it is?
731
And so again, it's this level of manipulation that I just, I don't know.
732
I have a little, throughout this, as I went through this, I lost respect for the prosecution on many different points.
733
And this would be just another one of those points of like, if you're gonna try, especially talking to somebody who's been in labor and deliveries and whatnot.
734
She knows probably one or two things about everything around that.
735
So if you're going to try to sow some misinformation, or at very least some manipulated information, know who you're trying to sow it towards.
736
And Sue does a pretty good job at just kind of being like, I don't know that.
737
That's not a thing that I could attest to.
738
Good on Sue.
739
Kind of shady on the prosecution's part.
740
You're aware that she was sent from women and infants with actually several options where it included inpatient treatment for medication management,
741
a partial hospitalization program focused on general mental health or continued outpatient management.
742
That's that's what she was sent away with.
743
OK.
744
All right.
745
Thank you.
746
OK.
747
It's another area where.
748
prosecution is trying to produce a narrative they want to construct
749
this narrative to be able to be utilized throughout this you can hear it just
750
so repeatedly through their different verbal tactics that they're using here
751
and sue was just not a good enabling of
752
that narrative in areas where it's one of these well how about this this this
753
and this her at the very end there her simple answer of like, okay, she doesn't buy into it.
754
She doesn't add weight to it.
755
It's just something to where she allows the prosecution to state whatever they want to
756
and take in that information as that's what you've said now.
757
Okay.
758
And I respect that.
759
I appreciate that.
760
Now, now here we're at the very, very end, end of the testimony.
761
This is the moment that has the internet talking.
762
This is it.
763
Let's watch.
764
There it was at the end.
765
I'll rewind it so we can all see it here, but as she's walking by, down here at the screen, you can see she's making hard eye contact with Lindsay.
766
and then she does a small but rather slow nod in there, and then she continues on walking.
767
And so that subtle and rather slow nod, I think, has some emotional weight behind it.
768
Had it been abrupt, had it been a harsher nod, like a mm kind of thing,
769
that sharpness, that brevity, that harshness of movement is usually enabled by an aggressive mindset, an aggressive emotion.
770
Thank anger, thank frustration, even determination.
771
It's aggression, right?
772
It's on the attack, sharpness.
773
Hers was not sharp.
774
It was a very subtle, but rather mellow nod to it.
775
Along with that, if you see, it's difficult to see because it's a side profile.
776
Her eyebrows here down on the screen, they're not lowered anything substantial.
777
She's not drawing her eyes together and lowering them or doing anything sharp.
778
There's nothing that's pushing me towards this aggression.
779
So with that, what you can semi extrapolate, and it's only semi, well, you can kind of extrapolate if it's a slower, softer, subtle movement like that.
780
It's not born out of anger, not born out of frustration.
781
So it's born out of something else.
782
And in that you don't see any other reflection across your face of those aggressive or harsh emotional states.
783
It lets us know that this was not a like, you got this kind of mindset of things.
784
It is likely more born out of, um, companionship, I guess would be a way to put it.
785
That's not the word that I'm exactly looking for, but that's the one I'm going with this.
786
I I'm on the same page with you and I've got you.
787
I've got your back.
788
We're going to get through this kind of, it's smaller.
789
It's more gentle.
790
Her face reflected the more gentle nature of that.
791
It wasn't, let's go on the attack.
792
Let's tear this down.
793
Let's burn this all down to the ground.
794
It's a, we're going to weather this.
795
We're going to get through it.
796
And that's, that's what I'm able to kind of pull from the non-verbals of that head nod in that moment.
797
Again, it's pretty lackluster at best.
798
That would be a portion that would just add in of like, this is what I noticed.
799
This is what you can kind of feel from it possibly.
800
But that's my analysis.
801
Throughout this, it seemed as though Sue seemed to be pretty forthcoming.
802
While brief and short with her answers, it leant towards her credibility and that was also in her baseline.
803
There were no areas where she felt the overt need to pack narratives unless it was absolutely demanded for clarity.
804
And then in those areas, she didn't add a ton of extra details or excuses or emotional manipulation within that.
805
It was just clarifying the things that ended up happening.
806
And so I know that a lot of people were looking at this and being like, oh, this seems off and this is she seems to be doing this and seems to be doing that.
807
And it could mean this and it could mean that.
808
And my fear is, is that for many of those people watching
809
and feeling that is that there's a level of confirmation bias that's becoming enacted in
810
that of you're already kind of having a feeling about something
811
and so you're more hyper attuned and ready to attach meaning to other tells
812
or other movements that may not actually be there
813
and may not actually have that weight but those are all the aspects
814
that i was able to pull from this let me know
815
your thoughts in the comments of this video many of you
816
are looking at this case much more intensely than i am you know all the different details
817
and you've been really steeped in it i've been trying to keep myself as removed as I can as possible.
818
Again, to mitigate those biases as best as I possibly can, but you don't have to do that.
819
So if I've missed something that you feel is pretty pertinent within this, let me know in the comments of this video.
820
Let me know what you think may have caused everything to have sudden closures
821
and releasing of juries and we need to talk about this and all of these sorts of things.
822
Uh, yeah, it's just a pretty crazy time.
823
So yeah, let me know your thoughts.
824
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But, but without further ado, that's all that I've got for the day.
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My name is Logan, and you have been oh so awesome as you always are, and I will see you in the next video.
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Cheers, guys.
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About This Lesson
This lesson helps you practice English speaking through shadowing, focusing on the video's conversational tone and complex topics. You'll mimic natural speech patterns, learn to articulate detailed ideas, and improve fluency—key skills for IELTS speaking practice. The dialogue covers crime analysis, personal biases, and sponsored content, giving you real-world language to master.
Key Vocabulary & Phrases
- Non-verbal analysis: The study of body language and gestures to understand communication.
- Conspiracy theories: Unproven explanations for events, often involving secret plots.
- Preconceived: Formed an opinion before having full information (e.g., "preconceived ideas").
- Myriad: A large, indefinite number (e.g., "a myriad of theories").
- Wrought with: Filled with (e.g., "the internet is wrought with conflict").
Practice Tips
Shadowing (or "shadowspeak") this video? Start by breaking it into 10-second clips. The speaker uses a moderate speed with pauses for emphasis—mimic these pauses to sound natural. Focus on stressing key words like "non-verbal" and "conspiracy" to match the tone. For tricky phrases like "preconceived notions," repeat them slowly until you can say them fluently. Use a shadowing app to record yourself and compare it to the video; this helps fix pronunciation and rhythm. Practice daily for 15 minutes to build stamina—critical for IELTS speaking tasks. Remember: shadow speech isn't just about copying; it's about adopting the speaker's flow to sound more like a native.
Grammar in this video
The structures the speaker uses most, with the exact words from the video:
| Structure | In the video |
|---|---|
| Present perfect continuous have/has been + -ing — an action that started earlier and is still going on | They've been doing · have been floating · have been seeing |
| Present perfect have/has + past participle — a past action that still matters now | has continued · have been · has been found |
| Passive voice be + past participle — the focus is on what happens, not who does it | has been found · was found · being asked |
| Relative clauses who / which + clause — extra information about a person or thing | Clancy, which is · one who was · around which has |
What is the Shadowing Technique?
Shadowing is a science-backed language learning technique originally developed for professional interpreter training and popularized by polyglot Dr. Alexander Arguelles. The method is simple but powerful: you listen to native English audio and immediately repeat it out loud — like a shadow following the speaker with just a 1–2 second delay. Unlike passive listening or grammar drills, shadowing forces your brain and mouth muscles to simultaneously process and reproduce real speech patterns. Research shows it significantly improves pronunciation accuracy, intonation, rhythm, connected speech, listening comprehension, and speaking fluency — making it one of the most effective methods for IELTS Speaking preparation and real-world English communication.