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Welcome to Coffee and Cleavage.

Welcome, guys.

I'm Linny.

And I'm Claudia.

And hello, Gary.

Hey, ladies.

How you doing?

Good.

How are you?

I'm doing great.

You good?

Always great when I'm on the podcast with you guys.

Right.

I am.

We love having you.

We do.

We have a very sensitive topic today, Gary.

Very sensitive topic.

Very sensitive.

That's a good way to put it.

Keyboard warriors why are people online so angry yeah good question why is everyone

so angry yeah you watching why are you angry why no

we this is something i feel like is very relevant in

our lives in particular just look at our comments yeah just

look at these comments just as soon as you look at these

but you know what i will say our youtube fans are

so good to us they're so sweet they're

so kind like they love to see us week after week and then instagram you would think we're the worst people

on the history of the earth yeah oh yeah oh i

don't even check facebook i don't even know i don't even know what's going on there

because facebook's like all the old moms

that are like upset all of karen yeah the karens male

karens though what are they is there a male karen equivalent is there a name for them i don't think

so i feel like that we should name one i've seen people just call them kyle

or something i've just seen people call male karens male karen yeah yeah

why why are people so angry and let's talk about why are people

so mean online in particular yeah they're mean because there's no repercussion from it i mean you can talk online and

what's gonna happen you talk in real life i mean you can get the beat out of you

so it's like true yeah do you think these people are also this mean in person no i i wonder

but i don't think so or maybe they're not mean

but like they're just not happy with their lives that's what it is

that has to be it has to be it yeah like what

and i'm asking the audience this why watching us and us having opinions infuriates people so much.

Like, why?

You want me to be honest about it?

Please, yeah.

I think it's honestly because of your guys' look.

You guys immediately are blondes with big tits and you don't get taken seriously.

It's like, oh, two blondes with big tits.

If you guys were brunette, I feel like it'd be completely different.

Really?

Yeah.

Should we run this test?

Should we dye her hair?

I swear.

We're wigs.

Let's wear wigs for next podcast.

Blondes just get looked at differently.

Blondes big boobs are instantly like oh these porn star girls and it's fucked up, but I mean that's just I mean, it's how it is and it's it sucks.

I mean you don't you don't get taken seriously, which I mean that's not everyone But I mean,

I just feel like that's how it is guys girls like hate on blondes Especially big boobs.

Oh true.

And it's just the thing But what if you're what if you're a brunette with big boobs like you get taken seriously?

Is it really a hair color thing?

I really think it is because blondes are immediately big boobs are fake.

Everything's fake about you guys.

Yeah, everything's fake, yeah.

But if you're brunette, you're not fake.

Oh, your lips are so big.

They're so – it's like they're fucking fake.

Yeah.

They're just as fake.

We went to the same doctor.

It's just so crazy how hair color can do that.

Yeah, that is true.

And I definitely think that is a thing.

I think that if I had to guess – because I'm not a keyboard warrior.

Like if anything, if I go online and somebody posts something,

I try to be as encouraging and positive and commenting to get your engagement up. And why,

like what has to happen in your life in order for you to feel confident in leaving

so much hate on somebody's like job?

Like this is our job technically.

Like why are people so mad?

I wonder if people think we're not going to pay attention.

But clearly we clearly we do Yeah, we bark back all the time I love it

We do Do you think a lot of times two people do that because they know it's going to get your attention?

Probably Because, you know, beautiful women get hit on all the time Like, you know, you're so hot and it's almost like Maybe I need to be a dick

And then you'll like respond to me And that will get, I mean, it's fucking weird tactic Because it's like It's true, you could hear 50 most amazing comments and then

that one the one asshole comment yeah and sometimes they stick

because it's like you know your human nature like yeah you're you're gonna remember certain things

but i'm gonna give you guys some free game right now

okay this is how social media works for those of you

that don't understand linny leaves leaves me a comment on my page and says you look stupid today right she would never.

But Lenny leaves that as a comment.

Instagram does not know.

whether linney said a positive thing to me

or a negative thing to me all they see is somebody engaged

so they think okay this person engaged on this video

so what we're gonna do as instagram is we're gonna show this video to more people

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because clearly this person liked it enough to comment on it

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so what you guys don't understand is

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if you really want to kill the show like some of

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you act like you want it killed you have to stop engaging

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because if nobody comments and there's plenty of podcasts out there

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that get zero engagement yeah they're not doing great but even

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if you if there's a hundred hate messages

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and two positive ones all instagram sees is 102 messages

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and that's what people don't understand like i think haters think

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they're doing such a negative thing with like commenting some of them get hidden though by instagram yeah

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and then i'm why did this one get hidden there's nothing

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wrong with it yeah it like looks for like weird yeah keywords or something

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but like it's not finding the right one yeah yeah exactly

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yeah that's why people make videos i feel like where they're

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so crazy and they want to get people to react like you know essentially rage bait videos

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and stuff because normal videos just are like okay boring you know

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so you do and it's like people hate on you

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but it's still growing engagement it

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but we don't like there's some things we talk about it's not even rage bait and we're just

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having a conversation

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and it still pisses people off i mean you can do anything it's going to just piss people off and

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and no matter how you say it you could say it

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politely you could say it negatively positively it's still gonna upset like the wrong person like

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and i say this all the time like you could be the juiciest peach in the world

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and there's some asshole out there that doesn't peaches yeah exactly yeah right like yeah guys don't be mean to us

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what what makes somebody let's dive into this what makes somebody keep checking back on somebody they

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can't stand like i will notice there are like certain guys like on our on the coffee

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and cleavage for example don't even follow us don't follow you don't follow me don't follow the coffee

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and cleavage page but every time a video comes up they leave a hateful message

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so why like you're not even following

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so you have to make a conscious effort to type in coffee

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and cleavage and see what the latest video is and leave comment like that's a disease yeah for sure

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it's weird too

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because you guys are very nice girls like you're not bitchy you're not stuck up it's like is

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that the problem because if we were bitchy then you know i feel like

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if you were it'd way more like okay you guys are kind of you know

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so it's like more understandable but you're like both very you come off both very nice and sweet

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so it's like i don't understand someone's like wow you guys

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are idiots it's like okay we're just doing a podcast all nice but thanks man okay

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it's funny what people don't understand about social media

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and like i really wish the keyboard warriors understood like your comments whether they're good

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or bad we like them i love when You're like, thanks for driving our engagement.

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Yeah, and like people don't understand like what that means.

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They're like, what's engagement?

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I'm leaving hate.

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I'm like, it doesn't matter.

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You leave hate or not hate.

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It's just a messed up thing to do too, because it's like, what's the point?

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You just want to make people feel like shit.

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You know, like they want to get to you guys.

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Like you've done nothing.

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I just don't understand it.

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Like people that get off on like being like, fuck yeah, I got to her.

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I pissed her off.

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It's like, cool.

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Like, great job.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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Do you feel better? and I feel like that's why I give you guys

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so much credit for not I mean some stuff gets you

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but when you just brush things off because that's the biggest thing

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when someone's talking shit about you a lot of people can't handle

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that you know where it's like oh hey cool people just saying stuff about us

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so I feel like that's what you know a lot of

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models have to take it's just criticism be like oh cool thanks for saying I look like shit

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or we're stupid it's like cool man thanks you know I mean I wouldn't be able to handle

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that so I give you guys credit what the recent one

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that got to me i'm giving people ideas now recent one

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that got to me was like somebody commented like oh someone's getting chubby

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and i'm like and i'm so like down in the dumps about it

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because i have gained weight from you know we talked about

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this i've gained weight from from health issues health concerns and

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when somebody calls you out on it i'm like that is like so upsetting

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because it's like i'm already insecure about this like you a hater will never make me feel insecure about something

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that i don't believe but

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if i believe something then i'm like oh shit they might

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even talk about me there's some of those episodes where i'm like

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sitting

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and like damn i look like i have pledge going on

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there they might even talk about me girl definitely not no

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and i'm like yeah i'm like what's like i mean saying

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that about like you know being like oh it looks like

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you guys have gained some weight i mean what woman is

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it gonna be like oh thanks they're like you're looking a lot older

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or something that'd be like oh we get

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that all the time they'd be like saying to a guy like

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if i was on podcast someone's like oh that hairlines receding pretty bad i'd be like

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oh fuck thanks but like we can't help that we're aging guys like

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but i think they tried people specifically talk about aging as like a as a keyboard warrior thing

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because they know we're trying to prevent it yeah as much as possible

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so they think it's like a jab when they comment on our age

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or aging because we're we're fighting so hard to prevent it

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but it's like guys like we understand like we're we're getting older yeah we're gonna keep getting older

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and we're not trying to look younger we're just trying to look as good as we can for the age

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that we're at like i'm not trying to look 25 hell no

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if i pulled up a photo of me 25 i wouldn't

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you couldn't pay me a million dollars to look the way

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i looked at 25 i was fat my teeth were messed

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up like i was actually fat like it just no my

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boobs were like lopsided like i had love handles no i

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don't want to be 25 Isn't it crazy to see like some of the 25 year olds now though?

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Now?

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They don't look 25.

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No. They look like they're our age.

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Yeah. Or older.

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Yeah.

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I see these girls that are like in grade school and like they're like all into skincare.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Do you know what we did for skincare when we were younger?

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Like it was like those like Neutrogena pads that were like.

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Yeah.

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Noxzema. And like.

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Seabreeze.

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And that's it.

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And they have like 10 step routines.

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I'm like these girls are growing up so quick.

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Yeah.

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And I think it's because of the internet and probably has to do a lot with keyboard warriors.

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Like these young girls, this young generation gets attacked for everything.

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Like we didn't have that when we were.

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No, we didn't.

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Back in our day.

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Isn't that kind of a big flex for you guys where you're like, I like how I look now being in my 30s compared.

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I wouldn't want to go back and be like in my 20s.

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I think that's a huge accomplishment for sure.

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I mean, because everyone wants to stay young, but even seeing yourself in 20s, you're like, I wouldn't want to look like that.

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I like how I look now i mean that's really cool

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i think did you ever have like girls in high school

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that were mean to you yeah yeah like i see like the girls

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that were mean to me in high school

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and i'm like hell yeah you look like right like i get like a little like petty enjoyment out of

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that because i'm like yeah you don't you don't gotta do

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that but then sometimes like i will love to go on on like some of our haters like pages

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and see what they look like i'm like makes sense oh

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yeah yeah yeah i I actually have a really good video about haters coming out.

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I'm not going to ruin it, but you guys will die of laughing.

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I can't wait for this.

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Oh, you're going to die.

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I'll tell you.

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I'm not going to say it on camera because I don't want you guys to know, but that's a good idea.

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Yeah.

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We should do when we pull them up, you know?

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We should.

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I know.

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Is it real?

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Yeah.

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Like Jimmy Kimmel, I think, does that, right?

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Like the celebrities read like the mean tweets or whatever.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's funny.

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We should do that.

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Yeah.

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Oh, there's so many.

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We could be here all day.

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They like always laugh.

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I think it's the best when you can laugh about someone talking shit about you.

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I mean

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that is such a big like I mean essentially like flex to people where it's not getting to you

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because it's hard You know it's hard to not let people be like, you know, everyone wants everyone to love them But you know people don't you're like, oh what the fuck like yeah,

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so that's a huge thing Well, I think you also have to take you It's a responsibility being online

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because I think part of the gig is being able to Take criticism.

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Yeah, it's part of the job unfortunately like you have to

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have a you know a strong enough backbone in you to

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say this is a career i chose i'm gonna be torn apart online

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and i hate that you know because

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because a lot of people aren't strong i mean how many deaths have you heard of of people

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that were cyber bullied

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and you know that they they can't handle it do you think that's why

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so many women in this industry are so insecure

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because you are essentially you know it's like you're trying to look as good as you can

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and no matter what someone's always gonna be like oh I don't like

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that or like oh you look bigger and it's like

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or you lose weight

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and it's like wow you're skinny as fuck now it's like

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you almost have to get to the point where you're like okay like I'm happy with how I look

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but I mean it's still hard it's hard

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but I think as you age you learn that every single person

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that you encounter has a story as complex as yours right like every hater has a family life

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and a work life and a you know personal life as much as we do

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so you know whatever's bothering them that turns them into keyboard warriors you know you

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and i don't have whatever's bugging them because you have to have something

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so deeply implanted in your brain yeah to think it's online to to go online

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and think it's okay to yeah like this to people do you think people are actually just like angrier now

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or is it now that you can just like everything's online both

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I love when the women though talk shit on us Oh hell yeah

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And you look at their profile pic

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and you're like I think it's just pathetic as fuck

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When I see women talking shit about other women I'm like come on Guys talk shit about other guys

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but women Especially for us we're such girls girls We're such girls girls Yeah I know

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Like my whole life MO is to strive to like help women and like with my cosmetics brand, like help women feel beautiful.

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You know, I made these products like good price.

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So like people aren't spending, you know, an arm and a leg.

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Like I try to do so much for women to feel included, inclusive.

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And I'm like, you're talking shit?

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Like, I'm on your side, babe.

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Yeah.

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And then I think that just comes from like jealousy in a way.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's it can't not be jealousy like because why else are you talking like that?

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It has to be jealousy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Have you ever met a hater like in real life?

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Like somebody that like talked crap online and then you actually met them in person.

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No, I haven't.

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But I know that that is a thing.

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And like then they'll be like, you're actually like, you know, really nice.

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Like you're actually cool.

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I have had that.

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I've had a guy like remember when we used to do the Sapphire pool parties.

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Yeah he actually he came to a sapphire pool party just like seeing like you know

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that i was hosting or whatever and he came

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and he's like wow you're actually a lot nicer in person and i'm like

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i'm nice online like am i not nice and like

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that like got to my head i'm like what you're a lot nicer in person what the fuck what does

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that mean like i still think about it But I'm like, is there like a particular video or something he saw?

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Because I feel like I'm very nice.

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He probably hasn't seen maybe videos of you talking just photos and assumed you're a stuck up bitch.

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Maybe.

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I'm like, what does that mean?

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I'm like.

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Because I've gotten that where people go, oh, you know, you're actually really nice.

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Yeah.

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I thought you wouldn't be like that. So crazy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I'm like, what?

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I'm like, there has to be a video or something because there's no way.

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Yeah.

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You would think I'm this awful person.

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And then you're like, oh, I'm pleasantly surprised.

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yeah I don't get it no

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but I do think to answer your question I do think people have gotten angrier

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and I think like especially after COVID where

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people became sheeple for lack of better words

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and you know they started yeah I love that I love

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that they they started conforming to you know things

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that they have to do and these vaccines and all

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that fun stuff not to get into that

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but like I think people are just angry yeah they're angry

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at the system they're angry at the government they're angry at health care they're angry at their jobs like they're

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so sensitive i feel like people get offended by everything

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so sensitive that's why it's so good to just be your normal self

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and not care when you're like offending anyone it's like

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because whatever you you guys especially do it's like you're always gonna like offend someone

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or piss someone off so it's like you know it's like what do you do be yourself

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or kind of be fake

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because like i don't want to like offend anyone you know we try to be ourselves

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but apparently ourselves is what pisses people off pisses people off yeah i don't i don't get

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that i've never been in a position though i don't know

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if you have or somebody has said something to me it's changed the trajectory of anything

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that i've done like and i hate that there are people like i've said

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that i've taken their lives unfortunately because the the hate

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and the backlash is so big online

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that you know they they can't handle it yeah that's why i think you guys deserve

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so much credit you know for being models content creators

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and then a podcast where it's like all these platforms where people can follow you

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and see you and essentially kind of talk

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and make your lives like you know if you don't do something

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that they like or you're not talking to them enough it's like they can kind of with you

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and find you anywhere where didn't used to be like

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that you know

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and you know for us like especially for us as content

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creators in the adult world you know how like funny example

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but like if a person's like changing right

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and they're in like a semi -public place

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and they're like you don't you don't want anybody to see you right

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because like you because you're naked like you don't want to be seen you and i

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and other content creators we put ourselves out on the internet

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nude like the people don't want to be seen changing in a changing room

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but you and i were full on naked on the internet we leave nothing to the imagination

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and we're so we open

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that door to such intense criticism like you would think we would get more credit for doing what we're doing

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because like this is terrifying like out there like there's there's

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nothing left of me like you've seen everything you need to see

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so i i wish people gave that more credit but i mean

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but i mean i think people were just like you're making money with your body

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so it's like well you can too babe like you know start taking care of yourself you could also

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but you know but that's a whole separate discussion you know like yeah

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i don't get these warriors man i know do you think do you think when people leave these comments they're like

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hell yeah it makes their day i got her yeah i

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think they're wanting to do it to essentially get to you for sure

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or is it just like they're just so insecure as people

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that they don't even realize what they're doing because there's a lot of

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that like some people are

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so removed from this like they they don't even realize like

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what they're doing yeah i think that's what it is they just don't even you know i'm sure

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when this comes out you'll have a bunch of people explaining why

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i'm curious like if somebody's watching please like what what do you think the philosophy is

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because yeah because essentially it's like

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if they hate you wouldn't you just be like fuck these girls i'm not gonna ever come on here again

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but it's like you know what i want to take the time to leave a comment

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but that's what i'm saying like these these guys

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that don't even follow us

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but week after week come back to leave hate like babe you're a fan yeah

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that means you're a fan you're a confused fan why are you

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so mad yeah but you're a fan okay

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but like look at it you could look at it differently does it mean you guys are doing stuff right

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because there's no one online that's popular that's not getting hate for sure i mean

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if you are popular you're not every comment it's like oh

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my god i love you there's people talking shit no matter what you do

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if you're popular the more people are going to talk shit about you

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so it's like you know you just embrace it almost just

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we're not a jar of nutella not everybody's gonna love us

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and that's and that's totally fine and

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but you know what like i heard this great quote one

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time from chef danny grant he's a two -time michelin star chef at maple

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and ash and he told me the best piece of advice one time

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and he said

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if you try to be for everybody you're gonna end up

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being for nobody like you You can't try to appease the masses.

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Like stick to what you're good at and do a really good job at it.

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And that's all you can do.

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Yeah.

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And what you and I do, like, I think like we're so zoned in, dialed in on our specific niches that like I don't I don't want to start,

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you know, appealing to the masses.

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Like, I'm sure I'm sure you've gotten this comment, too,

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from women the youth the youth you're you're showing younger girls you know plastic surgery this this

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and this i'm not a nickelodeon star i'm not a disney star i i'm not doing this to motivate your daughter

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like so you know to accuse me

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that you know i'm giving young girls a complex like we're not doing this for the young girls like

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if a young girl wants to look up to us

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and say oh i love what they're doing that's so beautiful that's

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so great i i'm i'm thrilled

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but we're not doing this for the the children exactly

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but i mean also it's like why would younger girls not

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look up to you as you guys are successful like beautiful

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like sweet nice women i don't understand why i'd be like oh they're content creators though

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and you know what and and what's crazy to

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that point exactly for the mother that has the nerve to go online and say to two women that she doesn't know, you guys are bad influences,

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you guys are this, that, the other.

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You're hating.

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So if you're doing this online, what are you teaching?

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What example are you setting?

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Yeah, what example are you setting at home?

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You feel so confident going online, leaving hate to two women that would do nothing but take your daughter in and teach her the world.

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What are you teaching her at home?

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You know?

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stop being haters i can't wait to see the comments in

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this one oh you know what i'm i can't wait i

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can't wait to the attack something about our look something about

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our boobs you know what guys i think you guys are

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gonna start taking all the hate comments we're gonna start reading them let's do

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that yeah let's let's do

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that one of them yeah well cheers guys remember every hate comment disengagement so thank you for that love you guys

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"Very sensitive topic" — Очень чувствительная тема
"No repercussion from it" — Нет последствий
"Get the beat out of you" — Получить отпор (в разговорном смысле)
"Upset all of Karen" — Злить всех "Карен" (шутливое название для злых пользователей)
"Infuriates people so much" — Так сильно злит людей

Эти фразы часто используются в разговорах о социальных сетях и могут быть легко внедрены в ваши собственные речи. Тренируйте их с shadow speak — повторяйте за диктором, копируя интонацию и темп.

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Особое внимание уделите произношению слов с редкими сочетаниями звуков, такими как "repercussion" (реперкашн) или "infuriates" (инфьюриейтс). Также работайте с ритмом: в разговорном английском часто сокращаются слова (например, "it's like" вместо "it is like"). Используйте видео для тренировки shadow speech — это быстро улучшит ваше произношение и поможет чувствовать ритм языка. Помните, что учить английский по видео — один из самых эффективных способов достичь естественности в речи!

Не пропускайте возможность практиковаться: повторите фразы после говорящих, запишите себя и сравните с оригиналом. Каждая минута тренировки bring you closer to fluency! (приводит вас ближе к свободному владению языком)

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Конструкции, которые говорящий использует чаще всего, с точными словами из видео:

Конструкция	В видео
Условные предложения if + предложение, will/would + глагол — условие и его результат	if you were it'd way · if they hate you wouldn't you
«Used to» used to + глагол — прошлая привычка или состояние, которых больше нет	used to do · used to be
Present Perfect have/has + причастие прошедшего времени — прошлое действие, важное сейчас	i've seen · i've just seen · you've done
Пассивный залог be + причастие прошедшего времени — важно, что происходит, а не кто это делает	were messed · be torn · be seen

Что такое техника Shadowing?

Shadowing — это научно обоснованная техника изучения языка, изначально разработанная для подготовки профессиональных переводчиков и популяризированная полиглотом доктором Александром Аргуэльесом. Метод прост, но эффективен: вы слушаете аудио на английском от носителей языка и немедленно повторяете вслух — как тень, следующая за говорящим с задержкой в 1–2 секунды. В отличие от пассивного прослушивания или грамматических упражнений, Shadowing заставляет мозг и мышцы рта одновременно обрабатывать и воспроизводить реальные речевые паттерны. Исследования показывают, что это значительно улучшает точность произношения, интонацию, ритм, связную речь, понимание на слух и беглость речи — что делает его одним из самых эффективных методов для подготовки к IELTS Speaking и реального общения на английском.

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