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What are the downsides of fatherhood for men?
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Well, we talked about already weight gain.
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We talked about testosterone changes.
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There are also increased vulnerability to mood disorders.
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So the prevalence of depression in new dads is about twice that of the general population.
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There's a lot of controversy about whether we call it postpartum depression in dads.
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I've observed this.
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In your opinion, do dads get postpartum depression?
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So in the book, I say I think perinatal depression is a better word.
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That just means around the birth of a baby.
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But to me, it's semantic.
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It doesn't matter that much whether we call it postpartum or perinatal.
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I think some people really are attached to the idea of postpartum really means having given birth.
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That's not really what the term means.
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It just means occurring after the birth of a baby.
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And the fact is that a lot of the risk factors for depression are shared by new moms and new dads.
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You've got stress, you've got disrupted sleep, you've got relationship conflict, you've got new responsibilities,
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identity crisis, hormone changes, brain changes.
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So even though you're not the person that's physically delivered an infant, you are still experiencing a lot of the same overlapping risks.
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What does postpartum mean?
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So it just means after the birth of a baby, the time period.
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Not after your birth of a baby.
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Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean that you- So it is a gender-neutral term.
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Yeah, it's a gender-neutral term.
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It doesn't necessarily mean that you birthed the baby.
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It just means the time period that falls after the birth of a baby. That said, I don't want to antagonize the moms who keep coming into
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my Instagram comments to get mad at me for talking about postpartum depression.
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Because I understand, you know, there is- What are they mad about?
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Are they mad about the fact that this is our term?
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like we want it to be it needs to be like paternal postpartum depression
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or so it needs some sort of a qualifier on it it sounds to me like
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and i saw a bunch of comments on instagram talking about
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the same thing uh it's not about this is a term
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that we care about it my best reading of it right
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and this is me trying to steel man it as best
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i can yeah the process of childbirth for a woman is so
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arduous and traumatic and scary that any man who appears to be flippant
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or dismissive or to kind of liken the challenge that he goes through to the one that the mum goes through,
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that is seen as being very callous and it doesn't fully appreciate or understand the sacrifice of a of a month.
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I think that's the best reading of it.
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Yeah.
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I think that's a good reading.
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I think another piece of that- That's me with my peaceful hat on.
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Yes.
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Where's your peaceful hat?
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You're missing that prop.
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You need a new prop.
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I would say that a lot of women legitimately feel like they've had to work very hard to get postpartum depression recognized.
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There's inadequate funding.
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There's inadequate attention paid to reproductive health and mood disorders in moms.
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And so if they're fighting to get access to treatment and to get education about their mental health,
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they feel Like, how can dads just sort of show up and make it all about them?
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That seems very unfair.
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And I'm totally sympathetic to that argument.
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I mean, I talked to a psychotherapist who works with new dads for my book, who's done a lot of advocacy for postpartum mental health in men.
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And she says a lot of the women's health advocates are just like, can't we have this one thing?
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Can't we have the postpartum period?
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This is ours.
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Right.
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I mean, my peaceful hat got taken off now.
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That is fucking stupid.
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but because what you're saying is, can we not not support men because we want women to have most of the attention?
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You go, well, hang on a second.
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Are you most concerned about owning this area of cognitive real estate?
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Like it's some sort of cultural appropriation by men, or do you care about the outcome of the kid and of the mom?
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Because if you don't treat the mental health of the father, how do you think the mom's going to feel?
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And how do you think the child's going to grow up?
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So what you're saying is you would rather be intellectually superior, but in the real world have negative side effects.
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Like that is the outcome.
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Whether that's what they know or what they mean doesn't matter.
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Like it's not my job to sugarcoat the fact
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that you trying to own some area of cognitive real estate is having a negative impact on men.
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That should be enough.
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But also on mom, if the men thing wasn't enough, and if that's not enough on baby too. So like
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not recognizing and if you did this in reverse right
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and this is true for a very very very long time
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there was all research was done on men it was just
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the male body standard inside of the medical industry no one
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said well this is cancer that's men's thing you go no this is not a fucking gendered issue
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so i mean i've got i got a video to show you i got a video from the times
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that you've probably seen that i think is very interesting and the video is interesting in the comments are way more interesting.
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Yeah, so it's this one.
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It's this one on TikTok, Jared.
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I had postnatal depression.
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Yes, dads can get it too.
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In 2021, when my daughter Aurelia was about a month old, my wife turned to me in bed one morning and she asked, how much do you love her?
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I froze.
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I kind of gritted my teeth and said, yeah, I really love her.
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But inside, I knew it wasn't there yet.
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I struggled to bond with my baby, felt disconnected and had growing shame that I was of not being the natural father I thought I would be.
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About six months into fatherhood, I opened up to my wife.
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I wanted to be a rock to Chessie who had had a complicated pregnancy.
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Eventually, I got therapy, but postnatal depression was never raised.
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It wasn't until Aurelia was a year old
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that I came across an article about men's PND that everything started to make sense.
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About 10% of new dads will experience depressive symptoms during the perinatal period and first year of a child's life.
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For me and my wife it was a eureka moment.
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Men are not routinely screened for PND, so many cases go undiagnosed I think the system is not changing quickly enough to offer support
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and spot the signs of depression in dads my bond with Aurelia is now incredible
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and with new understanding and support I hope I won't suffer from P&D again
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but I think new dads should know they might not have
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that emotional bond straight away all right let me pause it
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there Jared just look at the car just press on the
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comments on the right hand side for me I don't think
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I want to see the comment uh matt please i already
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had a long day how do i make this about myself
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thank you for telling us that's tom scarvo oh matt it's not the same thing this isn't depression it's discomfort
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and uncertainty postpartum depression is linked to the dramatic hormonal changes
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that happen after childbirth such as sudden drops in estrogen progesterone
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not sure how this affects the father time of irritation 1
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41 p.m playing on my device yes however calling it postnatal
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depression isn't the right phase i think he ultimately just didn't like all the attention in the relationship shifting to the baby.
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Please, I'm already annoyed today.
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How can I make this about me too?
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I feel left out.
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Is there poo in my AirPods?
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Oh my gosh.
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Yeah, I've been fighting in the comment sections like these for a while now.
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And, you know, people really come out of the woodwork to be frustrated with this kind of material.
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And I think there's a gatekeeping around perinatal depression that is unfortunate because mental health is a family system.
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You need the best possible team around a baby.
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And the best predictor actually of mom's mental health is the support that she gets from her partner.
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So if dad is not well, dad is not showing up mom's mental health either.
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I think the idea that this is a fixed pie or that it's a zero sum game, like there's a finite amount of resources
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that are going to go to a parent's mental health and they need to be directed solely to mom, I think is really limited.
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We need to be thinking about how do moms work together with dads to make sure
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that the baby is getting well cared for and that everybody's mental health needs are getting met.
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Having a zero-sum view of empathy is one of the dumbest, especially with something like this.
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It's just a guy going, I went through this really hard thing.
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And people going, no, you didn't.
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No, you didn't.
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Or I went through something that was way worse than that.
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Yeah, why are we gaslighting dads?
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And why are we pitting dads against moms?
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And my response to that is, if we want to have a society where men are stepping up as parents and they're fully participating in caretaking,
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they're waking up with the baby, they're doing the hard parts of care, we need to recognize that that's going to have mental health consequences.
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It's going to be taxing.
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It's going to be isolating.
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It's going to be draining.
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And if we really want men to participate, we have to respect that their mental health matters too.
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We can't guard it as though it's the sole domain of new moms
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because we want dads to act more like primary caregivers, but we're not willing to accept that they're going to have vulnerability tied to that.
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Bingo.
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Yeah.
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You're saying the same thing in two different breaths, saying different things in the same breath, which is we want dads to be fully involved, but we don't believe that they can have the negative outcomes
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that other people who've been fully involved for all of history have.
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Right.
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What's the rate of postnatal depression in women?
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It's a little higher in new moms than it is in new dads.
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I think it ranges across studies, but like 19 to 21 percent.
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It's about double.
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It's about 10 percent.
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Which is nearly the same as the change in brain, 1% to 2, 2.5%.
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And I think important context is that women have about twice the rate of anxiety and depression in the general population.
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So it tracks with that overall base rate.
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Wow, that's a spicy realization.
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It could just be an increase in whatever your predisposition was, and that dads are actually getting it at the same rate as moms.
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and now that we've got more involved caregiving, which is the primary enforcement mechanism for the change,
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I'm going to guess postpartum depression in fathers is mediated by the amount of caregiving that they do.
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Right, and that's the other thing.
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So you're telling me like, that's brutal.
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That any dad that's listening to this now knows the more that I care for my baby, the higher my likelihood of getting postnatal depression is.
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Jared, you ever considered that you might have a drinking problem?
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I don't consider a lot, Chris.
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Well, you drank an entire case of Athletic Brewing Co last night.
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But they're non-alcoholic.
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And that's not a problem?
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Sorry, man.
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I just kept chugging away for the regret to creep in.
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Never happened.
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Bottoms up.
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Congratulations!
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本課的詞彙與口語要點
這節 B2 級別的口語課以影片“People Really Hate New Dads With Depression”為素材。 影片中反覆出現的詞有：dad, depression, baby, postpartum, mom。 這段影片共有 184 個句子、2159 個單詞可供跟讀。 講話部分時長為 11:34。 說話人語速較快，每分鐘約 187 個詞，會出現較多連讀和弱讀。 83% 的單詞屬於英語最常用的 3,000 詞，其餘的詞建議在練習前先學一下。
影片中的重點詞彙
影片中最難的 15 個單詞，附發音和釋義：
| 單詞 | 發音 | 釋義 |
|---|---|---|
| postpartum 形容詞 | /ˌpəʊstˈpɑː(ɹ)təm/ | 產後 /產後 |
| postnatal 形容詞 | /poʊstˈneɪtəl/ | 產後 /產後 |
| childbirth 名詞 | /ˈt͡ʃaɪldˌbɝθ/ | 分娩, 生產 /生產 |
| fatherhood 名詞 | /ˈfɑːðəːˌhʊd/ | 父性 |
| checkout 名詞 | /ˈt͡ʃɛkˌaʊt/ | 收款處 /收款處 |
| vulnerability 名詞 | /ˌvʌln(ə)ɹəˈbɪlɪti/ | 脆弱性 |
| inadequate 形容詞 | /ɪnˈædəkwɪt/ | 不適當 /不適當, 不足 |
| cognitive 形容詞 | /ˈkɑɡ.nɪ.tɪv/ | 認知的 /認知的 |
| antagonize 動詞 | /ænˈtæɡ.ɪ.naɪz/ | 對抗 /對抗 |
| arduous 形容詞 | /ˈɑɹ.d͡ʒu.əs/ | 艱苦 /艱苦, 艱巨 /艱鉅 |
| callous 形容詞 | /ˈkæləs/ | 無情的 /無情的, 鐵石心腸的 /鐵石心腸的 |
| estrogen 名詞 | /ˈɛstɹəd͡ʒən/ | 雌激素 |
| eureka | /jʊˈɹiː.kə/ | 尤里卡, 我發現了！ /我發現了！ |
| flippant 形容詞 | /ˈflɪp.ənt/ | 輕浮 /輕浮, 輕佻 /輕佻 |
| frustrate 動詞 | /ˈfɹʌsˌtɹeɪt/ | 令人失望, 挫折 |
影片中出現的短語動詞
| 單詞 | 釋義 |
|---|---|
| go through 動詞 | 通過 /通過 |
| show up 動詞 | 露面 |
| grow up 動詞 | 長大 /長大 |
| take off 動詞 | 脫 /脫 |
值得反覆跟讀的句子
影片中簡短而完整的句子，可以直接用在日常對話裡：
- In your opinion, do dads get postpartum depression?
- It doesn't necessarily mean that you birthed the baby.
- Where's your peaceful hat?
- Can't we have the postpartum period?
- How can I make this about me too?
影片中的語法
說話人最常用的結構，並附上影片中的原話：
| 結構 | 影片中的用法 |
|---|---|
| 被動語態 be + 過去分詞 — 強調發生了什麼，而不是誰做的 | are attached · are shared · is seen |
| 現在完成時 have/has + 過去分詞 — 過去發生但與現在仍有關聯的事 | I've observed · they've had · you've probably seen |
| 定語從句 who / which + 從句 — 補充說明人或事物 | man who appears · breath, which is · caregiving, which is |
需要注意的發音
說話人用了 52 次縮略和弱讀形式，例如 don't, they're, you're。請按聽到的簡短形式來說。
- “th” 音: childbirth /ˈt͡ʃaɪldˌbɝθ/, fatherhood /ˈfɑːðəːˌhʊd/, empathy /ˈɛmpəθi/, sympathetic /ˌsɪm.pəˈθɛt.ɪk/
- “sh” 和 “zh” 音: appropriation /əˌpɹoʊpɹiˈeɪʃən/, irritation /ˌɪɹ.ɪˈteɪ.ʃən/, predisposition /ˌpridɪspəˈzɪʃən/, sugarcoat /ˈʃʊɡɚˌkoʊt/, realization /ˌɹɪə.laɪˈzeɪ.ʃən/
- 長單詞——注意重音位置: vulnerability /ˌvʌln(ə)ɹəˈbɪlɪti/, inadequate /ɪnˈædəkwɪt/, antagonize /ænˈtæɡ.ɪ.naɪz/, appropriation /əˌpɹoʊpɹiˈeɪʃən/, irritation /ˌɪɹ.ɪˈteɪ.ʃən/
中文母語者容易讀錯的音：
- /v/ — 不要讀成 /w/，上齒輕觸下唇: caregiving /ˈkeəɡɪvɪŋ/, vulnerability /ˌvʌln(ə)ɹəˈbɪlɪti/, cognitive /ˈkɑɡ.nɪ.tɪv/, caregiver /ˈkɛɹɡɪvɚ/, depressive /dɪˈpɹɛsɪv/
- 詞尾子音 — 要讀清楚，後面不要加母音: childbirth /ˈt͡ʃaɪldˌbɝθ/, fatherhood /ˈfɑːðəːˌhʊd/, checkout /ˈt͡ʃɛkˌaʊt/, prop /pɹɑp/, inadequate /ɪnˈædəkwɪt/
- /r/ 和 /l/ 的區別: vulnerability /ˌvʌln(ə)ɹəˈbɪlɪti/, hormonal /hɔɹˈmoʊnəl/, prevalence /ˈpɹɛvələns/, routinely /ɹuːˈtiːnli/, realization /ˌɹɪə.laɪˈzeɪ.ʃən/
如何用這段影片練習
- 先完整聽一遍影片，不要開口，記下不認識的單詞。
- 先用 0.75 倍速逐句跟讀，熟練之後再回到正常速度。
- 錄下自己的聲音並與原聲對比，特別注意 postpartum, postnatal, childbirth 這類單詞。
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