Pratique du Shadowing: Danny Malin: A New Chapter & Honest Catch-Up - Apprendre l'anglais à l'oral avec la vidéo

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when he was our very first guest on series one youtube star danny was here with his wife surfy

and daughter athena and it was great to have them here talking about some challenges

that they were going through at the time now danny is

best known as the star of rate my takeaway the youtube channel

which went viral during covid

and now has millions of followers his catchphrase is now then guys you'll know him very well

and you may remember as well he took his fold -up table to the regions

and nations takeaways to try out the food there

but earlier this year danny suffered some serious health issues

and made the difficult decision to step away

and actually look at some new ventures

so we're excited to hear what those are yeah he's very

kindly agreed to come back to our studio to update us to have a cuppa with us as well

and tell us all about how life has been lately welcome

back danny malin thank you very much guys for having me

back oh it's lovely to see you again looking very well may i say you are

i've been doing all right last couple of months i've been doing a bit of self -care mentally

physically lost a bit of weight so yeah well you're looking great

and I remember last time you were here we did have a big conversation about mental health

and everything that you were going through at the time

so what's been going on now what what are these health issues what's been happening

so obviously last time I went on we're talking about you know stroke

and dealing with that I don't think we knew

that then I don't think we talked about it in fact

when you were last in you were you were at that stage

which we'll ask you about is why you didn't want people

to know at the time yeah yeah you're right yeah uh yeah

so i had the stroke

and i was dealing with it mentally the reason why i didn't want people to know is

because it wasn't i didn't want it to be seen as like a sympathy play

that kind of thing but also a bit concerned that people would

associate it with what i did on rate my takeaway and say oh well you're eating all this stuff

you're having a stroke uh at the time there were just

a lot of complications in my life a lot of stuff going on

and i actually had a blood clot in in the back here of my brain

and that that's what caused the initial first stroke right uh

and then uh i went in hospital got admitted to hospital for some a few days come out of hospital

and then me being me i had a couple of meet

and greets booked in one in leeds one in wakefield

and i thought i can't let the fans down yes i just cracked on with it

so we parked the van up

and i sat in the van didn't realise the impact it had actually had on my brain

and my body and I did one on the Monday one on the following Saturday

and then on the Sunday I lost 20 minutes of my life

because I had another stroke and were admitted to hospital again right

and then from then yeah it was just like like probably

about two months it was just intense physio I'd lost a

lot of feeling in me my left side i couldn't walk properly

and i was stumbling my face were drooping

so i got a lot of support from the nhs

which i love that and you know pinderfield hospital gets a lot of stick

but they were absolutely amazing right the staff there were fantastic with me

and you know since that as well i was under a psychiatric doctor okay later on

so this was like sort of september october last year

when i become mentally it really did do me in

and what it was is is how it's affected me the brain damage

that i've had is that i can't think as fast as i used to do

so i used to be quite off the cuff with things uh

and then i suffered a lot of fatigue so

when i get tired when it comes to like four

or five o 'clock i'm out i can't really do much

if i have an event

or something in the evening i have to go to bed through the day to conserve my energy

but coming to terms with that and realizing that were really difficult

and i started to lock myself away i'd go out

and i'd be filming i wasn't enjoying what i was doing

but i was just going to do it

because it paid the bills yeah and i come home

and i was locking myself away in the bedroom i just go to bed

and sophie bless her she was amazing

and she just kept relentlessly at me really saying look you

need to speak to the doctor you need to speak to the doctor

which i wouldn't and it got to a point

where i thought about taking my own life which is something i never thought i would do

uh and sophie just basically smashed the door down with the gp

and said look you need to to see him here

so i got to the gp and went got put under the psychiatric doctor

and with that i'll be honest i walked into that meeting i thought what is this going to achieve

you know why am i going to sit and talk to a stranger about what's going off in my head

and then i thought you know what you know sophie said

to me look just go in there with an open mind

and give it a go please she says for us just listen to what she says

and i did

and she started talking about putting your feelings on a leaf imagining it's on a river

and it's floating away and i'm thinking what is all this about

but let's go with it three weeks in wow you know just having somebody to she were unlocking thoughts

and feelings that i'd suppressed for years yeah

i didn't even know what she was doing

because she just got me talking about different things at my own comfortable pace

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and but then started teaching me how to manage anxiety and feelings

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because that was the biggest problem that i had that

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because i didn't want to show weakness i didn't want to show

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that i was suffering so i just locked myself away yeah

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and then your own mind can sometimes be your own worst enemy because you sit there thinking all these things

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so yeah so once it sort of got to like january time i was feeling a lot better mentally

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and i started to see things a little bit more clear as well and how things in my life

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were being taken advantage of and how

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that had an impact in what i was doing

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and how i was being controlled in different things so you know

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that led to to obviously what's what's happened over the last few months

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but i have got to say that anybody that's suffering with mental health is serious

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and you know go out there

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and seek help there is help out there you know i was lucky

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that i've got a support network with my family

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which were amazing uh i've got you know groups of friends

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that were just absolutely incredible back then so like these guys the silverbacks

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charity rugby league uh it's all ex rugby league players

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and you know of professional and semi -pro

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and just lads um you know women as well um you

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know they're supportive on the phone the guy there johnny

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and dave they were on the phone to me daily coming around to my house

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dragging me out of bed saying to sophie we'll speak to him

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and just having a coffee and you know

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that there are people out there that will do all this

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but if you haven't got those people in your life there are charities out there

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but first and foremost your gp

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and i didn't think it would work i thought it's nonsense we all everybody criticizes gps now

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and in the nhs but you know what they do get it right

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if you give them the chance to get it right

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and they can and they can help you yeah

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because i've gone down that route yeah

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and i've i've i've spoken to my gp about my mental health

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and I've had counselling through the NHS and it is invaluable

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and it's great to hear that you found it so useful as well.

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Yeah you know it was amazing a lot of people thought

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oh he's got millions I'll be paying for it private which I ain't got millions

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it's all the people have that I know people have

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that assumption don't they but no NHS route do you know what I mean

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and it's there and and it was great and I couldn't fault it And if I'm honest with you, you know, I've been discharged now,

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but I can talk to her any time and I've sent her a few emails and she's responded.

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And, you know, if I ever need to go back, then you can refer yourself back.

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But it's just those few emails that I've sent over the last few months,

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it's just a bit of reassurance and redirecting me to make sure that I'm right.

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And I found it just, you know, a lot better i don't know how you got through those months after you had the stroke

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because you were i know you didn't want anyone to know yeah

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and you had the pressure of still having to be

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that your cheery persona on camera uh

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because that's as you said was what paid the bills

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and everybody expected

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that of you you were under pressure from the people probably running the channel to keep up appearances i mean and

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and it's you also had a whole family to to keep

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going with you know to look after no wonder really you

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became depressed i mean as well as the physical effects of

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having had the stroke you had the mental effects yeah and i think And the thing for me was,

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is trying to prioritise what were most important.

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And, you know, a lot of people, and we all do this in life, right, we spend a lot of time working, doing things to get money.

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That's what we do.

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Everybody's working, and we're chasing money.

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We're chasing money all the time.

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But now what I've done is I've realised I now need to spend money.

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to get time because that's more important

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so instead of me running around like an idiot doing things right i can pay somebody else to do it

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and i can spend time with my family now

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because that's and that's what the thing that's what twigged for me is that you don't realize

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what you've actually got sometimes in front of you and you think

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that you've got to be providing and you think

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that you've got to be doing this you think

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that you've got to be doing a service to everyone else

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but really the most important people are those

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that are closest to you health is wealth isn't it exactly

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and that's something that i didn't realize because especially within social media

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and the youtube world because it's so fast -paced

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and one minute you're up here next minute you're down here

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a lot of people you know they won't talk about your greatest moments still talk about your failures

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so that's a fear when you're in this in this world

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that you know you're always looking over your shoulder

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if you're out you can't you you want to be careful

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because everybody's got a phone you know so you know i'm not saying

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that i go out effing and blinding and doing all this hot time

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but you know we're all human yeah you know we've seen

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it with other people where people have taken videos of people

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and it's been put out of context of what it is

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so you know you're all that pressure

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so for me it was that's what we're going through my mind

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and when I was watching some of the episodes back what we filmed I could see

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that I was slurring I could see

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that those are episodes where I've said words don't even make sense

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but because I'm daft and jolly I made it make sense in

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that way I realized a few seconds later

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because I got a bit of a delay

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so I'd be able to put a bit of a spin on it

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but like people are coming and going what's he said there

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and it turned into a joke but for me it was

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so that's what started because I'm thinking what

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if this gets worse yeah what if this starts to you know get worse

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and I can't do what I do and then the impact is going out

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and then that's what took me down that rabbit hole

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but then again you know Sophie pulling me back out of

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that hmm you know being persistent that she is and

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and the kids you know you obviously you mentioned Athena the reason why they're not here today mate

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if I fetch it today I should be having these cameras

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over she's running around everywhere she's like Tasmanian devil watching her grow up now

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so like the last sort of two and a half months I've spent

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so much time with her because i've been mentally better

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and it's been amazing i would have possibly say the first 12 months of her life i were on autopilot

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so i didn't really know what was going on

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and i missed a lot which is is

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when i look back is sad uh

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so now my focus is yeah i'm continuing to do social media

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and i've got a lot of things going on

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but i've got a lot of other people involved now

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that are helping rather than hindering yeah

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so it's not all just on your shoulders

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and you know i feel a lot better yeah that's great

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you're looking a lot better can i just take you back

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because obviously with it with us you know health this is a health sponsored website

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and i know there will be information on

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that site about the signs of a of a stroke what

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was it like for you did you have any inkling

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that something was wrong with your health no so i was on the day it happened

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we were going out for a meal and we were traveling over to sheffield

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and i went out to my car

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and i put some i'm putting some washer fluid in

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because it was february so we know what roads are like february you're like

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that all time aren't you so i thought right i better top it up

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or something i'm not going to get back

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and i'm not going to see

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and i got to the car i remember feeling a little bit off as i'm putting this fluid in

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and i thought oh that must be a bit strong you know

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and And then I got back in the house and the next thing I know, I've got Sophie and Summer and George, they're all around me, Dad,

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what's, you know, and I'm like, what's going on here?

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And, you know, that's, I didn't really remember much.

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And then I remember in A &E and it were packed

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and three guys on a bed in the corridor and people coming up and then Sophie said.

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she would argue still trying to take photos

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and i would have a drip hanging out my arm yeah my face were all drooped i was like this

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and people were like yeah it's him off rate my takeaway can have a photo

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so yeah yeah she had to go get a private i can't believe

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that when you say to them can you move into a room

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but then obviously once they literally knew what i were in for then got whisked straight off uh

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so i don't really remember like much of it and then And afterwards,

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a bit like being on the stroke ward and it was just a bit confusing to what was happening.

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Obviously, I went for a brain scan and they said about the blood clot.

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And then like second time round again, that was just, I would put something in the microwave.

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Next thing I'm on the sofa, I don't know what's going on.

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and you know i i've been lucky enough that really lucky that i'm not i'm like lasting

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duperness to my face and you know i still like

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when i get to stumble sometimes

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and i still struggle a bit on my left side i should really have an insert in my shoe

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and a brace on my leg

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but i said i ain't walking around like forrest gump that's

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when i said you know i try

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and turn it into humor yeah you're a tough guy don't you know i mean

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and and it's you know struggling with things and having to try

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and think hard about things sometimes is is difficult to what it used to be like uh

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but i've spoken to other people you know the stroke association are brilliant i mean And I remember, so again, Sophie, she's just on it, right?

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And I'm, like, not wanting people to know.

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So she's contacted Stroke Association and she said, I've arranged for them to come and see you.

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So I'm like, right, all right, fair enough.

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Next thing, this car pulls up outside Stroke Association, straight down the side.

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Biggest car in the world it used to have been.

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To me, it looked like it was an arctic wagon, but it was a car just with Stroke Association age woman comes up all badged up

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and i'm like oh my god and i i actually turned it away right

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because and this is the thing as well we're having a stroke it affects your mood as well

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so i've not been easy to live with for sophia

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and the kids i've not been easy to live with at all especially at

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that that first 12 months

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because the modes well it's also you kind of getting your head around it as well

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and yeah and kind of understanding what's what's actually happened to you as an individual

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but it was also like short temper in a way

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because i couldn't fully sometimes comprehend it and understand so when it first happened a lot of things were fuzzy

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so no no don't do it and then afterwards i'd realize i'm

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so sorry and then i get upset so

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that a lot of things were affecting me like that

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because i didn't want to obviously be like that with my family

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and you know i've said like openly like with with with

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the fallout with the guys from from rate my takeaway you know i said in in my video there

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that you know i'm not putting all the blame on them

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because i were difficult in these last nearly 18 months

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because of the effect of the stroke

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and you know i will with them no i don't want to do this now i don't want to do

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that and you know but there's a lot of stuff going on there

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but you know it's it affects you

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and I've spoken to a lot of people now through the Stroke Association through Facebook

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and I talk to people on there different people

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and you know I've got another profile so people don't know who I am

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and I talk to them about me and what's happened to them

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and you know everybody's story is different yeah

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and i always say it's like we can all read a textbook

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and we can all read information but everybody's different

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so we're mental health with bodies bodies work different mental health stuff we all process things in a different way

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so it's like grief when when somebody passes away

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if you've experienced grief in your life i don't go up to somebody

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and go i know what you're going through because i don't think

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that you do you see we all go through grief

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and the loss

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but we all deal with it in a different way some

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people shut off some people break down some people saw happiness

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you know it's not that's not to say you're not grieving

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and grief has been a big thing of this

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because that's sort of like what my family's had to do

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a little bit they've had to grieve a little bit because a bit of me that's been lost

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and then I've had to do that as well and to continue doing what I did

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hiding out that But now when I look back,

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I wish I'd have just been truthful from the off because hiding it all caused me a lot of issues.

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So now, you know, it's just about honesty and going forward, dealing with mental health, dealing with the issues that I've got,

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you know, and, yeah, I might look happy on camera, I might look great, but a lot of the times I was a broken man,

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I was going home and how we're in bits

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and everybody can put a face on and everybody can be happy

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when you're on camera

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because you know that's what you've got to do we're all in this game

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and we know that when when

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that camera's at you that's your job yeah gotta turn it

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on right people are looking at you for a certain thing in a certain way right

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but now i've realized we were at my takeaway a lot of people followed me through covid

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and the amount of people that come up and said

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that I helped them through difficult times in their life

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and I'm like what are you talking about

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and it was just bringing them pure joy just to watch me singing

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and dancing and even when I were over here in the market dressed up doing all

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that stuff they were watching me on Facebook

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and it was bringing them joy yeah and at first I didn't understand

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that but now I get it yeah yeah and that you felt

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that pressure to keep up that persona

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but then you made the decision to be honest

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and open about what had happened and the situation that you're in

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and that must have been quite a relief in many ways

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and because the outpouring of love

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and support you had online as well was was incredible yeah I mean I'll be honest with you doing

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that that video and the reason why I did it right is

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because I always said to Sophie because like Sophie was saying look I think we

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or you should tell your story you know and i were like

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when the time's right i will and she's like you know

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and she was supporting me and i went on another podcast with a mate of mine

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and i filled in for him uh somebody else

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and i'm sat on the podcast with him and we're chatting

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and he asked me a question and it just felt right

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and i just spoke about it and i went what

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and afterwards i'm like oh god and he's like look mate

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if you want me to cut this out and I went do you know what

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no I don't I says leave it in I knew

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that it wasn't going out until the week after

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so I then had a week to let everybody know what

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was going on before it went out on on another podcast

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if you like so I went home I spoke to the lads

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that made my takeaway and said right I've done this

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and they were like oh do you think that's the right thing

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and i went well it's it's my decision to make yes i do

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so we'll mention it on a video and obviously with me

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and sophie so i did a video with sophie we put it out there

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and i was scared i was absolutely bricking it because i thought

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if people then just go in at me and

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because i have some really nasty trolls really nasty people i

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mean a lot of the time 99 of the time it's water off a duck's back because i'm not right bothered

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you know I've got a thick skin with it all now so it's very rarely anything really gets to me

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but with this because it was such a traumatic event for me

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and my family I was worried

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and we'd actually booked a holiday with Sophie's dads to go

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to Benidorm good old Benner's you know just before the sun

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kicks in get down there you know no frills no five -star hotel it what three all -inclusive, pool were freezing, but the sea were warm and it were great.

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And this had gone out a couple of days before we went.

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And I remember getting there and I'm looking at all these comments

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and I was sat on the balcony in the morning and I was just sobbing

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because I was just so overwhelmed with the support of members.

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I'm joking.

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With the support that...

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Sorry.

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No, it's okay.

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that people were what were giving me and sophie and it just alleviated a lot of the pressure and you know for

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that full week i was just like i were in a bit of a trance

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because i was just like why have i been

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so worried about talking about the truth because a lot of my life's online

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and yeah with different things not just eating food but with mr

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and mrs yorkshire and you know with athena

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and we do a lot of stuff together

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so people know a lot about my life

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but the main thing i kept away

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and still to this day people still message me and

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and say that they've had a stroke the same

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and then i talk to them and we're messaging um you know i try

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and give different examples of things that I've done but you know for me it's just about

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i know that it's hard i know it's tough yeah

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when you've had that you need to but you need

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but people relate to you

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and that's the that's the key with you danny everybody relates to you

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and every part of your life you know they want to they're following you

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and everything that happens to you they want to be involved

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and to support you they feel like your family yeah yeah definitely

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and you know it like since i've spoke about it i've then been involved in different things

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and it's all it's all been positive

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but i'm going to talk about something now this week has

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been there's been a little bit of negative right about the stroke

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and this is you know might be jumping you're gonna hear a little bit

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but with social media like i said before you have ups

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and downs and obviously with the breakup of rate my takeaway there's been a lot of

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talk about that and you know i've done a few statements and lads have put a few things out And, you know, after a couple of weeks, we've not really spoken about anything online.

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We've kept it between us.

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But other people have clipped comments and said stuff, which I don't mind.

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They're entitled to do and say what they want to say and people have got their own opinion.

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But one guy on TikTok, he's known as Painfully Honest Reviews, did a TikTok three or four days ago.

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and it was, he allegedly had information that I'd not had a stroke

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and it was actually a TIA and that I were only doing it to get views and this and other,

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which, that upset me.

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When I say nothing, it gets to me.

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Wait, why would you go through all that?

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Yeah, it upset me.

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And he's banging on about, if you can prove to me

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that you've had a stroke, then that's great i let people know what on earth has

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it got to do with him it's none of his business

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and this is what i thought you know but

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but it got to because you know what my family's been through so much

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right and my daughter saw that video and she's beside herself yeah

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because you know and he does these videos

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and it what he does to people

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and what he says about people you know again he's getting clicks he's getting what he does

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and that's what he does right that's clickbait isn't Yeah, if you sleep at night, what he does, that's fine, right?

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So I emailed him because that's what he asked me to do.

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I asked him for his phone number because I wanted to phone him and have a conversation.

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I said I wouldn't share it because I'm not that kind of person to say, oh, look, this is his name and address and phone number.

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I'm not that kind of guy.

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But I just wanted to talk to him and just say, look, mate, there's a lot of stuff what you've said about me on different things

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which I'll get to him later on when I can.

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But on this specific one, I want to talk to you and get it cleared up.

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Yeah.

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He didn't want to talk over the phone.

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Didn't want to give me his phone number.

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Of course he didn't.

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Said that he wanted me to go into my NHS app and produce my medical records.

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That's absolutely outrageous.

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It is unbelievable.

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So, and that, if I did that, then he'd take the video down.

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And it wasn't so much that I wanted to do it.

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It was because I wanted to get it off.

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Yeah.

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Because of the effect that it's having on my family.

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So you went to that length.

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She didn't need to, really.

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Well, I provided him a letter, right?

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But again, with this at first, I provided him with a letter that was to say that I'd been referred to the psychiatric doctor that said,

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because of the effects of the stroke.

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Not TIA, because of the stroke.

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So it had the word stroke, right?

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So I said to him, I'll provide you with that, but please don't put the context of the details in there

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because it had different things about my mental health on this letter.

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Exactly.

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Is that personal information that you don't want to share?

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Yeah, but I was willing to send it to him.

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And at first they come back with, well, that's like me getting a letter from my optician about my tooth.

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I'm like, what are you on about?

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It's an NHS and it says about my stroke and that I've got to get treatment.

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So in the end I sent it to him and he took the video down.

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What's boggled me is that when he's done people in before, and they've proved

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that he's wrong he's then done a video to say i'm

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wrong i'm sorry they provided this proof he hasn't done

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that for me what he's done is he just took the video down

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and then just left it yeah because he knows you want an apology yeah ideally

457

but he shouldn't be allowed to do that in the first place

458

and even as you're describing it it sounds like blackmail yeah In some way, like wanting personal documents from you to prove something.

459

So he can say anything he likes for clicks and money -making measures on TikTok.

460

So he says anything just to get the hits.

461

And you've got to then bear your soul to get it taken off.

462

So he's done two or three other videos about issues with Rate My Takeaway, right?

463

And that's fine.

464

Because that's what I do for a job. But this was personal.

465

So whoever has messaged into him, which I've got a good idea who it is, what's going on, you know,

466

they've just so low, right?

467

But I said to him in this email, have you, the proof that you've got,

468

is it from a medical professional or from an NHS letter?

469

Is it any of that? because if it isn't, then really, it's nothing.

470

Yeah, exactly.

471

But I had to provide that.

472

Oh, it's so bad.

473

That's so bad.

474

And this is the other side of it.

475

Yeah, this is the other side.

476

That sent me right back. Of course.

477

And on that train journey home from London on Tuesday, I what?

478

Sweat dripping down my face.

479

I threw up because of the trauma that had caused my family what were going on with them seeing that video.

480

And I thought, you know what?

481

Because people can have a go at me for stuff that I do online.

482

They can talk to me about my takeaway.

483

If they don't agree with certain things that I do, that's fine.

484

And I'll defend myself.

485

If I've done wrong, then I'll say I've done wrong.

486

But that was just an attack on my personal response.

487

They should be, honestly, blinking laws in place.

488

Well, they should.

489

There are, aren't there?

490

But nobody, they don't know.

491

And it's a bigger debate.

492

It's defamation.

493

It's libel.

494

It is.

495

Yes, it is.

496

It's a bigger debate, isn't it?

497

And I think we've talked about this before in the series about the impact

498

that that has and how people get away with it.

499

It's unregulated.

500

It's wrong.

501

Because that is a personal attack on you and it just boils.

502

It could be seen as a hate crime, I mean, and that is a crime now.

503

So, you know, people who do this sort of thing are asking for trouble.

504

This is me, right?

505

This is how much of a nice guy I am.

506

I've agreed as well in this email that once things have been sorted out with Rate My Takeaway, I will address the other things that he's said, which I don't have to do.

507

He's asked me if I will, and I said, yeah, I will.

508

But at this moment in time, I can't.

509

Let's talk about that decision to walk away from Rate My Takeaway over the summer.

510

Big, big decision for you, and I know it's been something you obviously were thinking about, but it's everything really that has happened to you in this last year

511

or so has played into that hasn't it yeah yeah it's you know it's difficult to talk about now because

512

when I first made

513

that decision I sent the guys a resignation letter with my reasons in there for for resigning

514

which was a lot to do with my mental health

515

and how the structure of my takeaway way

516

and working with them had played into that and basically

517

that I needed to walk away to get myself better

518

which was difficult to do because yeah we built

519

that together all three of us and we built something amazing

520

and we created a channel that went viral

521

and you know as we said earlier on provided a lot of pleasure for a lot of people you know

522

so I'll never take that away from them and said

523

that there wasn't a part of that because there was because we did it together

524

but behind the scenes there were a lot of issues with us

525

and we fell out a lot and like i say you know i'm not saying

526

that i'm perfect because i'm not uh but there were things

527

that that i promised i didn't get from day one and in that resignation letter i give options to move on

528

now when i put that first video out to say i was leaving

529

that resignation letter had gone in a week before

530

and this is what people don't know and within that week i just got abuse and grief

531

from the guys yeah and so i did

532

that first video i got threatened with legal action

533

so i had to wait the seven days

534

because i got told i was going to receive a letter

535

from the solicitor by five o 'clock on the friday five o 'clock come

536

and that letter never come so six o 'clock i put the first video out announcing

537

that i were leaving they then put a number of they put a video out themselves

538

which lasted three hours they then took it down then put a statement out

539

which lasted another three or four hours and they took

540

that down they put another one out which they kept editing

541

and then over the course another three or four statements went out

542

which they kept taking down

543

because not once did they admit any guilt they pushed all the blame onto me saying

544

that it was a surprise it wasn't a surprise to them they knew

545

that things were fragile they knew that that i wasn't right

546

but they were just hoping that because of the money factor I keep going.

547

So I got locked out of everything, the bank account.

548

That got emptied, split between the three of us.

549

They did empty it, but they split the money between the three of us.

550

The van got taken.

551

I still don't know where that is to this day.

552

Do you own any of the van?

553

Is that something that you have?

554

Yeah, in my mind, I own the van because the money that we got from YouTube and sponsorship paid for the van.

555

Well, it's a joint asset then, isn't it?

556

But unfortunately, the way that it's been done, I didn't know this, but it's been done through different companies' payments.

557

I didn't know this.

558

I had no control over the channel.

559

Right.

560

I had no, and this, towards the end, we was in Malaysia on a family holiday, and my daughter, who's now 16,

561

when she finished her exams I took her away for five days to Mallorca just me

562

and her to say well done for the exams

563

and we did two or three videos for Rate My Takeaway because we're in Mallorca, someone don't mind being on let's capitalise on this and do a few videos

564

so I did the videos put them up

565

and she was 15 at the time and the amount of abuse that she got from men

566

saying things like I'll put my hot dog in your bun oh no right god was driving me insane

567

but I could not remove these comments because I did not have the power

568

and the access the access the access to do it

569

and they just allowed that to stay on there

570

so I was constantly asking them to remove this

571

and they let they just let all they let it stay on oh that's they've said

572

that they haven't but I've got all the proof and it's all it's all nuts but that

573

that happened like June So the back end of July when I'm in Malaysia

574

and my daughter's crying because people are sending me these messages saying, oh, look what people are saying about you.

575

I lost it.

576

I'll be honest with you, I lost it.

577

And I phoned the editor up and I said, I'm telling you now, if you do not take these comments off, I will not do one more video for this channel.

578

Yeah, but, you know, it could affect the algorithm.

579

I don't give a shite about the algorithm saying i don't you know yeah i want it off yeah

580

and he took it off

581

but it was six weeks too late yeah it should have

582

been flitted straight away for me that's what started to get me to think they were putting themselves the family

583

and your family yeah because sophie's had so much abuse on there yeah

584

and in the the second video

585

that i did i spoke about a lot of things i spoke about sponsorship

586

because i've had a bit of a bit of beef with

587

another tick tocker youtuber food review club over uh he got

588

outed for charging takeaways for reviews you were charging them up to 1500 quid to go right

589

and i got loads of messages and emails saying danny do you do this What do you think of this?

590

So I did a video about it, and I said, to be honest, I think it's disgusting to charge an independent business that amount of money.

591

And if you're doing a review, don't charge.

592

If you're going to charge, if that's what you want to do, just don't score it.

593

So you can do the same thing, but don't say it's a 9 out of 10, 10 out of 10.

594

And I did that video, and I spoke about other things in there, Which, you know, looking back, I will admit, and I'll say it,

595

and I have apologised to Matt about it.

596

Maybe I should have kept it to myself, right?

597

Because it caused me a bit of grief, and I apologise.

598

But it's like when I did this second video, I spoke about the sponsorship, because we have had sponsorship.

599

We have been paid to do reviews but not paid in

600

that way so there was one paid review

601

which i didn't know about until i'd done it

602

because again i have no control of this channel they decide where we go they tell me

603

when we're going they edit it they upload it i've got no control whatsoever yeah right

604

so for all i know they could have been charging people for every review i don't know

605

because i never saw the bank accounts until october last year

606

and with five -year outline so i never saw anything

607

and i've never seen the past accounts everyone thought you were

608

like this is your own channel didn't they a lot of people didn't realize

609

that yeah so we did a deal with uber where uber provided us with a list of 50 takeaways in Leeds Bradford.

610

and they wanted us to go and review one and what i said was is i did not want to know

611

which one i was going to yeah because then i could give it an honest review

612

were these all like uber eats then so they were all uber eats yeah

613

so i didn't mention uber didn't mention that uber sent me there didn't mention

614

that it were paid

615

because it was a sponsorship deal with uber just to visit

616

a place it wasn't paid by the place it wasn't the place influencing me

617

and i didn't know where i was going i didn't

618

because i knew all these places most of them were all

619

over just eat delivery they've all got they're on them all yeah

620

so i just go and review it and then afterwards

621

that one of them ticked off all right great some of

622

them i get 10s some of them i get eights nines

623

but every one of them we're honest with you right

624

so to me it's different to what matt were doing

625

and uh you know it has just been a bit of banter with me

626

and matt as he called it and i called it

627

and this is where i think should i really said

628

that i don't know and i still sort of stay to it

629

because i called him called it bullying

630

because he used to say things about oh maybe i should get a table

631

and share i get more views and all this

632

and he'd met comments like that

633

but I'd never react I've never spoken to the guy personally we've never exchanged a message personally right

634

so he said it was banter and I'm like well banters

635

when it's a two -way thing yeah so I did a couple of podcasts

636

and started doing this bantering thing and saying

637

if you want to jump in ring for misfits I'll knock your beard off

638

and all this you know a bit of banter thinking look yeah well

639

if he's doing it you can do it yeah I mean uh

640

but then obviously So when I put the statement out about leaving my takeaway, he went in and he did his statement and he was like, hi, you're only an employee.

641

You've got your P45 now, which I'm not an employee because I own 33%.

642

It's not like that again.

643

What's it got to do with him?

644

There's a lot of chancey, I would say.

645

Do you know what?

646

Fair play to him.

647

I knew it were going to come, right?

648

Because it's an opportunity for him, right?

649

And I agree with it all and I took it all at chin

650

and I fought fair play up to the point where he brought in the mental health card

651

and he overstepped them out with that.

652

All right, because I thought there's no need to put that in there because it's a serious thing.

653

What I did say is that, you know, I'd never wish him to suffer anything that I've gone through.

654

All right.

655

And I said I'd love to sit down with him, have a coffee and hash it out.

656

But he clearly said that's never going to happen.

657

He's never going to talk about me again.

658

And he has since then.

659

He gets hits on his channel.

660

But obviously, you know, at that point he thought, I'm done.

661

Yeah, yeah.

662

He thought, I'm gone, I've left my takeaway, that's it, it's over.

663

Well, more for him thinking that.

664

Yeah.

665

So it's been difficult to make that decision and there's a lot of issues between me and the lads,

666

which is upsetting because in the beginning it were great and we were friends and we had some good times together.

667

We went on an American tour, all three of us, which were amazing.

668

And in between filming, we sat around the pool and we're chilling

669

and one of them gets burnt like a lobster

670

and the other one's laughing and we're in Vegas and it's just like, we're unreal.

671

So I've got some good memories, but unfortunately there's some bad ones.

672

It was never about money for me.

673

It was always about just what's fair and just having access to money.

674

take the messages off yeah having access to

675

if you were an equal partner in it you should have been able to do

676

that never had access to tick tock yeah

677

but it's my face that's all over yeah it's just simple

678

things just give me a password well you're the brand you're the brand yeah

679

and it's and business but it's your business partners that you're losing

680

but also like you just said it's a friendship

681

that you had for a number of years and i think

682

that that that hurt as well that the friendship broke down

683

and then because that broke down and then the way different situations

684

that I was in that I had to film

685

and I didn't really want to film it become where I didn't want to go to work

686

and Sophie again like she's spoken to me about it since

687

and like since I left she's overwhelmed because she was scared

688

when I went away for a few days filming

689

that I wasn't going to come back because of the anxiety that I would have.

690

I'd go out and film and then I'd just go straight back to the hotel and go to bed.

691

Up the next morning, film, go to bed.

692

I remember because I'm close to Sophie and she told me about that period, you know, and she's so loving and supportive.

693

She literally is a living angel, honestly.

694

She really is.

695

But in my video, that second one, I said in there that she's had so much stick on this channel, right, and they never took it off.

696

And they let people call it be racist to her.

697

they let people say some disgusting things about her and never took it off right and

698

she was no part of this decision whatsoever this decision was mine and mine alone to make

699

she did not influence it in one bit

700

because she just wanted me to want what i wanted to be okay yeah

701

and i made this decision she did i think she was very happy

702

if none if it all stopped tomorrow as long as you were okay

703

but you know what happened i put the second video out what happened

704

rate my takeaway come on the comments blame me sophie straight away really yeah

705

and that's the thing that i wanted to do a farewell video

706

but how could i do one to put on the rate my takeaway channel

707

when they had control and they would film and edit it

708

because they wouldn't let me sit there and say what i said

709

and say the truth and you've taken a different path in your own life yeah you you

710

and sophie built up the mr and mrs yorkshire brand yourself yeah

711

but you've also got a new channel

712

that just launched very recently yes tell us about that

713

so through all this that's been going on over the past what year

714

and a half two years another creator come on the scene onto the youtube scene,

715

older guy wears his gilet called Gary Eats

716

and Gary is a bit similar to myself in how he is but he's a lot more posher he's not as common,

717

he's a southern lad so he's not as northern as me and he eats in a lot posher places,

718

he doesn't just do takeaways he does Michelin style restaurants but he is harsh, so he's gone up against like Gordon Ramsay

719

and he's gone in like rick stein has been down to his restaurants

720

and it's been publicized on papers and news because he's gone down

721

and gone this is unacceptable to come down to rick stein's restaurant

722

and eat this food and pay this money uh

723

and then i had him on rate my takeaway for an episode

724

and it went at rick stein's fish and chip restaurant

725

and me him and another creator called green oil went

726

and we tried the fish and chips and it was amazing

727

and gary said since he went the game

728

so we've done a few videos together and Gary's

729

when I put the notice out about me leaving my takeaway I'm not kidding you

730

when that video went out my phone

731

I thought it was going to explode

732

because it was ping ping phone calls phone calls from all different food creators all different creators on YouTube Instagram

733

and that friends family

734

because I didn't even tell a lot of family friends neither what I was doing

735

and they were like shocked like what what's going on me man what's that normal i was talking about

736

but uh gary he was phoning me every day every day

737

without failing it was like how's it going how are you

738

feeling today don't let it get you down you know and then we met up for a coffee

739

and he's like damn what you're going to do i don't know guys you know i'm doing stuff on mr

740

and mrs yorkshire which i'm enjoying i says but obviously people want to see me reviewing food I says,

741

but I've just, I'd lost confidence and I didn't know who to trust.

742

So he says, Ward, do you fancy doing something together?

743

And I'll scale down Gary Eats and we'll do a channel together.

744

And I thought, wow.

745

We sat for four hours in a pub in London.

746

Me, him, Sophie and his son chatting about it.

747

They wanted Sophie involved, which was amazing because she was never allowed to be involved in anything else before.

748

That's brilliant.

749

So she was involved.

750

I'm sat there thinking, wow, and I've given total control, got everything, and he has as well.

751

It's straight down the middle.

752

Yeah.

753

And we've been filming now for five weeks.

754

A few episodes have gone out.

755

It's been great, but you know what?

756

It has been the best time of my life

757

because I have had such a spring in my step you can see in your face you look

758

so much more relaxed yeah talking about it as well do you know what it's

759

so weird because we're like we're so different but so similar

760

and like people were saying oh no it's not going to work it's not going to do this

761

but it's totally different

762

because he's taking me into michelin star restaurants he's taking me

763

to a restaurant where i'm having a steak at 135 quid

764

that i used to sell across the road here for a fiver yeah the same size and the same flavour, the same sort of steak and I'm saying this going, that's an absolute rip -off.

765

Brilliant.

766

We're in a London restaurant and I'm saying that's just, that's a rip -off, go to your local butcher, they'll do you one better for a tenner, don't be coming down here.

767

And then we're going to takeaways, but I think what it is, because Gary were known for being harsh right when he scored him

768

And I would always give it nines and tens because I've been recommending the best places to go.

769

Here, we've mixed it up.

770

We're pitting places against each other.

771

So in one episode, there'll be two restaurants because we're seeing which is the best.

772

Right.

773

We're doing chains and we're seeing which one of those is the best.

774

What's the value for money?

775

We're putting a meaning behind the videos.

776

I love it.

777

But there's comedy.

778

One of them, I'm laughing about a sausage.

779

for different reasons, right, and I can't stop laughing and we're leaving it in and Gary's just like, do you not want this big meaty one?

780

And I'm like, Gary, just, I'm trying not to.

781

You're going to wax.

782

Yeah, but you know what it's like, you know, when you're doing this and if someone gets you chuckling like a little kid, you can't stop.

783

Yeah.

784

And that's it.

785

And then, like, the cameraman's laughing and I'm like, you won't shut up.

786

But people love to see that as well.

787

Yeah.

788

They really do.

789

It's just bringing out a different side in us both and, yeah, some of it's going to be childish and some of it's going to be, but it's different, right?

790

But the end game is it's still about food.

791

Yeah.

792

But again, so on the third episode that we filmed, Gary went, I want to tell enough.

793

Because his son, right, he's the producer, the editor.

794

He does all this, and what we agreed is you run it, right?

795

He's responsible for making sure what we're doing, it's right, wherever we're going, and we'll turn up.

796

Because you've got to put a story together.

797

You've got to have somebody like that.

798

You've got somebody here that's doing all that, that's helping you put it all together.

799

You've got to have somebody like that.

800

You can't be naive to think you can just put a camera in front of yourself and do it yourself, because it does not work.

801

So I says, why, what's he told you off for?

802

And he says, I've been told to up my game.

803

I says, up your game.

804

because in my takeaway it's limited of what i can say because we're talking about burgers and kebabs

805

we're going into restaurants and i'm sat there i'm talking about different cuts of beef

806

and me i'm identifying in one place that gary's going this lamb's a bit tough i says yeah that's good

807

wow oh you know yeah yeah butchers for five years yeah you know

808

and then i'm talking about flavors in michelin star restaurants

809

and he's looking at me like yeah you're right teaching him yeah yeah that's what it is

810

but then also he's then doing things that's in teaching me

811

and we're learning off each other and this is what's going to surprise people

812

because people just think i've just got a limited knowledge

813

but i've actually got quite a good palate

814

and i know a lot about food but yeah i've got

815

that i've got the mr mrs yorkshire which is great

816

because with me and sophie we're able to do a lot more family content

817

but involve food in it now as well which is amazing uh

818

so we've got a lot of exciting stuff coming up

819

and a new podcast yeah we've got a podcast coming exciting

820

so that should we should be be airing

821

that sort of back in the december january

822

and that's with a fella barnesley yes it could have been

823

on by now yes i don't know i haven't got a date well yes

824

but i think it might well be by Yeah, so it could have been on.

825

So if it is on, I don't know what it's called yet.

826

Oh, you just have to randomly find it.

827

It'll be there, it'll be there.

828

So I'm doing it with a guy called Jordan Gray.

829

Right.

830

So if anybody's from Barnsley, they'll know Jordan.

831

And if you don't know him, you will definitely see him.

832

He's about seven foot tall.

833

If you're a boxing fan, then you'll see him there because he's most likely walking out, usually up front with Tyson Fury, Yusek and all of them.

834

He's there, he's done stuff with Luke Littler.

835

So on Tuesday, I'm coming back from London, right, and I'm on train.

836

He's sending me a message and he's just stepping onto a private jet to fly back to Paris.

837

And I'm saying, this is wrong, this mate.

838

I says, we've got this.

839

I should have the jet and you should be on the train.

840

Yeah, it should be the other way around.

841

We're doing it slightly different to a conventional podcast.

842

Okay.

843

So we're going to be using, because obviously I'm also involved with Estabolo, so they used to sponsor Rate My Takeaway.

844

The restaurant.

845

Yeah.

846

but recently I acquired shares in the Barnsley one for myself and so I'm involved in that.

847

Right.

848

And what we're going to do is we're going to be using the restaurant as the setting.

849

Oh, brilliant.

850

So when it's closed, we can be at the bar

851

or we can be sat down or even when it's open and have a bit of meat.

852

But that also allows us to have access to all of those restaurants and it's got them dotted around.

853

There's one up in Aberdeen, so if we're up there doing a podcast, we can use that.

854

You've always got a place to.

855

Yeah, and he also has got Habibis.

856

He's got one in Leeds, one in Manchester.

857

So we're going to be using them.

858

Great.

859

So if you ever want an on -location...

860

Is that Zach?

861

Yes.

862

I know Zach.

863

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

864

I know you do.

865

Yeah, yeah.

866

So if you ever want an on -location, I can sort that out.

867

If you ever want to use one of them and do a bit of a...

868

drinking a bit of meat Yorkshire Talks goes on tour I know yeah let's do it we can do

869

that yeah so that's exciting because he's a character

870

and what I mean by a character I'm going to have to rein him in

871

right because

872

you know when I'm on camera I don't swear much because you know it's a certain audience that I've got

873

but Jordan is a typical Barnsley fella

874

and he's effing and jeffing out time

875

and I'm like mate we're going to have to rein

876

that in for this podcast because it's just going to be a beat fest

877

so but i'm doing uh

878

or you know i would have done the uh firework display at lock park on on saturday uh

879

and he says guess what i'm your security i said what do you mean

880

so i'm lighting the bonfire and they've got the security company

881

and they've said that they're going to put jordan with me as security i'm like mate i'm not

882

that famous i don't need you talking about you it's going from tyson fury

883

and look literally to me well i've seen you get mobbed in the few pubs what I've been out with you.

884

So, yes, I've got that.

885

And then I've got Danny's Collective, which is coming up.

886

Go on.

887

So this will be running now.

888

Yeah.

889

So obviously I had my takeaway kitchen in Huddersfield.

890

But again, because of the fallout with the guys, that has taken a real bad hit.

891

And we went down to two vendors.

892

People left because somebody started up a Facebook page, boycott it.

893

Oh, right because of me and them being involved in a business together

894

because of how they feel about them and the situation they did.

895

They thought that the money that it's all going to us, to be honest, it doesn't make that much because we don't charge that much.

896

It's more about giving the independent vendors a platform.

897

A platform, yeah, and creating a community, yeah.

898

So we had to pull away from that, and the pack horse actually served his notice and asked us to leave online for November.

899

Right.

900

So we've come away, but then I did a deal with them that I would come back as myself,

901

as Danny's Collective, and try and revive it because I still believe in Huddersfield.

902

Yeah, yeah.

903

It's coming up.

904

So Danny's Collective is totally different.

905

It's going to be a set of socials where it's not just going to be food.

906

It's going to be pubs, bars, restaurants, sofa shops, nail bars i want to create a social platform for people to come on

907

and sort of an advertising platform if you like

908

and share it's an online platform yeah

909

so it's going to be on instagram facebook

910

but they're going to be collaborating with each other right to

911

get each other's audience i'm just going to give it a go

912

and see how it is running yeah yeah so yes i've got

913

so with all that i've got enough on oh danny it's been absolutely lovely of you to come

914

and talk to us about what's been happening and being

915

so honest and sharing sharing your story

916

and i'm sure we'll hopefully have you back again

917

if that's okay with you definitely you're so it's

918

so lovely to listen to your talk

919

and i think you will help a lot of people definitely definitely i'm going to get it on camera now

920

so i've got evidence and i want it keeping in mr editor

921

so when me

922

and jordan do the podcast i'd like to invite you on

923

okay we'd love to we'd love to turn the tables on you

924

it is going to be different it is going to be

925

different for you thank you danny we'd love to do

926

that yeah danny thank you very very much indeed thank you

927

and everything danny's talked about as well health wise there will be information on the patient .info app

928

if you want to go there and can i just say i did use

929

that as well did you yes you used it yeah so

930

when i saw that you what that's why

931

when i said today about the sponsor yeah i did use it

932

and again it's

933

because trying to find information about things we've all done it you go on google you put something in right

934

and you think that's it you're going to lose your leg you've got a little spot on your knee

935

and you're going to lose your leg no don't do that go go go to this because it's health professionals

936

i'm not giving anything i'm saying from experience here you know

937

because i am one of those that gets a splinter

938

and thinks i'm going to lose my arm

939

so you do need to no that's brilliant something give our love to sophie

940

and all the children yeah it's been lovely to chat to you again thank you guys yeah

941

and that's just about it from another episode of yorkshire talks isn't it it is thank you

942

so much danny as well i mean it's just amazing everything

943

that you spoke about today so really appreciate you being

944

so open about it all we do so yeah

945

that was it for today we will be back with our next episode of yorkshire talks

946

but please don't forget to like and subscribe and We'll see you next time.

947

Yeah, bye for now.

948

Take care.

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Cette leçon d’expression orale de niveau B2 s’appuie sur la vidéo « Danny Malin: A New Chapter & Honest Catch-Up ». Cette vidéo contient 948 phrases et 11098 mots à répéter en shadowing. La partie parlée dure 59:38. Le locuteur parle vite, environ 186 mots par minute : attendez-vous à des liaisons et à des sons réduits. 85 % des mots font partie des 3 000 mots les plus courants en anglais ; le reste mérite d’être vu avant de commencer.

Vocabulaire clé de cette vidéo

Les 15 mots les plus avancés de la vidéo, avec leur prononciation et leur sens :

Mot	Prononciation	Sens
takeaway nom	/ˈteɪkəweɪ/	plat à emporter
podcast nom	/ˈpɑdˌkæst/	podcast, balado
grief nom	/ɡɹiːf/	douleur, peine
sponsorship nom		parrainage
mentally adverbe	/ˈmɛntəli/	mentalement
sponsor nom	/ˈspɒn.səː/	commanditaire, sponsor
banter verbe	/ˈbæntə/	badiner
tick nom	/tɪk/	tique
psychiatric adjectif	/ˌsaɪ.kiˈæt.ɹɪk/	psychiatrique
resignation nom	/ˌɹɛz.ɪɡˈneɪ.ʃən/	démission
clot nom	/klɑt/	caillot, thrombus
overwhelm verbe	/ˌoʊ.vɚˈwɛlm/	abreuver
rein nom	/ɹeɪn/	rêne
persona nom	/pɝˈsoʊnə/	rôle social m casquette
fallout nom	/ˈfɔlˌaʊt/	retombées

Les verbes à particule que vous entendrez

Mot	Sens
go out verbe	sortir
come up verbe	se montrer, sortir du bois
go through verbe	traverser
break down verbe	tomber en panne
find out verbe	découvrir, savoir
come back verbe	revenir
go down verbe	descendre
keep up verbe	maintenir, conserver

Des phrases à répéter

Des phrases courtes et complètes de la vidéo, à réutiliser dans la conversation de tous les jours :

Wait, why would you go through all that?
Is that personal information that you don't want to share?
I'm like, what are you on about?
Do you own any of the van?
It's been great, but you know what?

La grammaire de cette vidéo

Les structures que le locuteur utilise le plus, avec les mots exacts de la vidéo :

Structure	Dans la vidéo
Phrases conditionnelles if + proposition, will/would + verbe — une condition et son résultat	if I did that, then he'd take · If I've done wrong, then I'll say · if anybody's from Barnsley, they'll know
« Used to » used to + verbe — une habitude ou un état passé qui n’est plus vrai	used to do · used to be · used to have
Present perfect continu have/has been + -ing — une action commencée avant et toujours en cours	i've been doing · have been charging · we've been filming
Present perfect have/has + participe passé — une action passée qui compte encore maintenant	has been · i've gone · i've spoken

Prononciation à surveiller

Le locuteur utilise 448 contractions et formes réduites, comme I'm, I've, we're. Prononcez-les sous leur forme courte, telles que vous les entendez.

Les sons « th »: algorithm /ˈælɡəɹɪðm̩/, threaten /ˈθɹɛt.n̩/, sympathy /ˈsɪm.pəθ.i/, tooth /tuθ/
Les sons « sh » et « zh »: resignation /ˌɹɛz.ɪɡˈneɪ.ʃən/, harsh /ˈhɑɹʃ/, assumption /əˈsʌm(p).ʃ(ə)n/
Mots longs — placez bien l’accent: psychiatric /ˌsaɪ.kiˈæt.ɹɪk/, resignation /ˌɹɛz.ɪɡˈneɪ.ʃən/, whatsoever /ˌ(h)wʌtsoʊˈɛvɚ/, apology /əˈpɑ.lə.d͡ʒi/, allegedly /əˈlɛdʒ.ɪd.li/

Comment s’entraîner avec cette vidéo

Écoutez la vidéo en entier une fois sans parler et notez les mots que vous ne connaissez pas.
Commencez à la vitesse 0,75×, répétez phrase par phrase, puis revenez à la vitesse normale quand cela devient facile.
Enregistrez-vous et comparez avec l’original, en faisant attention à des mots comme takeaway, podcast, grief.

Qu'est-ce que la technique du Shadowing ?

Le Shadowing est une technique d'apprentissage des langues fondée sur la science, développée à l'origine pour la formation des interprètes professionnels. Le principe est simple mais puissant : vous écoutez de l'anglais natif et le répétez immédiatement à voix haute — comme une ombre suivant le locuteur avec un décalage de 1 à 2 secondes. Les recherches montrent une amélioration significative de la précision de la prononciation, de l'intonation, du rythme, des liaisons, de la compréhension orale et de la fluidité.

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