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a dog mom to 10 year old harvey is joining us from texas hi marissa well i'm
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a dog mom to 10 year old harvey is joining us from texas hi marissa well i'm
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so glad to be here
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so yes um i am the lucky mom to harvey he will be 10 later this year harvey
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and i actually met
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10 years ago but i'm quite positive we were family in a past life i just know it um we met
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We met in San Diego,
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back when I lived in California.
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I was volunteering for a foster organization.
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I was his foster mother.
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And as the story goes,
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of course, I meet him.
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And I know instantly that I've known him for many times.
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You're his person.
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Oh, yeah.
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He is my person.
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So, yes, I was a foster win,
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as I like to call it.
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So Harvey and I have now spent the last nine years traveling the United States together.
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We've lived in California.
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We lived for a little bit in Minneapolis.
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We were in Chicago for four years.
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And now we're down here in Dallas, Texas.
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So I swear he has more airline miles than most people do.
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But it's been really fun to just travel this country with him and kind of explore with him.
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But my question for you.
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So we've been together a long time.
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And whenever I get ready to leave or head out the door,
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Harvey seems to do the same thing.
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So whether I'm going out to the mailbox for a minute
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or maybe I'm going for some errands that I'm running for the day,
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Harvey will get anxious.
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So my question for you is more of the concept of time.
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So do dogs understand the concept of time?
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Does he understand that when I'm gone for five minutes or the full day,
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does he know how long I've been gone?
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Because it seems like either way,
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it has the same emotional impact on him.
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When he sees me getting ready to leave out the door,
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he seems to get that same emotional reaction.
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So I'm curious just what he's thinking about as I'm getting ready to leave out the door.
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Great observation.
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You know, the flip side of that attachment we were talking about is that in separation,
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dogs are stressed.
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They're anxious.
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Right.
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And that's part of the bond.
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Actually, it's the kind of negative side of the bond,
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which is that when you're attached to someone,
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you don't want to see them go.
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And when you're gone, they're stressed.
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And when you're gone, there's some stress involved.
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Probably why Sadie perked up when you returned.
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Right.
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There's the relief of that.
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And it is a really cool question to say,
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well, does that mean they don't have a sense of how long you're gone?
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And there actually was research that looked at this question.
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What they did was they looked at the greeting behavior that you get when you come back in the door, right?
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That great, enthusiastic reply.
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And they had people leave their dogs for a few minutes or a half an hour or several hours.
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And they looked at the intensity of the greeting.
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And they found that the longer the people were gone,
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the more tail wagging, licking,
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shaking, intense a greeting they got.
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So dogs in their behavior look like they do appreciate the distance,
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the time you've been gone from them.
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And in that way, they're kind of marking time.
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Yeah, it's definitely different, even though they're whatever,
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excited every time you come back in the door.
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Yeah, I noticed this with Sadie that,
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especially when she was really well,
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that if you're gone for a few minutes,
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I remember coming and saying,
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look, I've only been gone for a few minutes and you're this excited.
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But if you're gone for a long time,
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she would like go around in circles and bark and do all the things.
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Pull out all the stuff.
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Pull out all the stuff.
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The toys.
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Yes.
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Run and get a toy and all that.
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He wants to run and go grab something and bring it back to me and show me right when I get back.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I also think they mark time through smell, right?
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Smells change over time.
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And our spaces smell like us, right?
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The longer you're gone, everybody has a smell.
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It's a perfectly normal thing.
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And our dogs know it.
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They'll recognize us by our smell alone.
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The longer you're gone, the less your space smells of you being there.
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So time is kind of marked in the passage of odor during the day.
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Everything is, when you read this book,
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Marissa, everything is through the nose.
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Everything is about the smell.
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I mean, because it's how they see the world, right?
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They see the world through their nose.
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Yeah.
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And that's how their brain works, olfactory cognition.
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Yeah.
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Thank you, Marissa.
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Thank you.
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Best to your pump.
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You and Harvey, 10 years together.
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That's beautiful.
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So you believe that trying to show your dog that you're the boss can be harmful.
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And we know that there are lots of trainers who do that,
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you know, like I'm the one in charge.
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Why do you not condone that?
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Well, again, I look at the science,
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you know, people are looking at wolf behavior to try to explain how you should be with your dog.
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And there's very old science that said,
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oh, when you look at wolves in a captive environment,
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they establish a dominance hierarchy and their leaders are alphas who have access to all the resource.
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But then when people could actually study how wolves behave naturally in the wild,
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it turned out they live in family packs and there are leaders of the group.
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It's the parents who live with their offspring and their offspring's offspring.
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And so they're not maintaining their leadership by force, by being bossy.
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They're not bullying, right?
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They just know more.
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And so they tend to be in charge.
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And we are also in that kind of situation.
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Dogs are our family.
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They view us as parents, essentially, in that pack.
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And we control all aspects of their life already, right?
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We don't need to worry that they're going to try to threaten our leadership
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and boss them or bully them around for it.
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I notice that sometimes your dog knows
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that you're coming even before the car pulls up or if the car's in the driveway,
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or we've seen these stories on social media of the dog waiting in the window for the kids to come home,
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or the dog knows that the school bus is coming long before the school bus comes.
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How do they know that?
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Are they smelling it, or are they just know it's this time of day?
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I think both things are true, right?
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Again, they're great.
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They understand our habits.
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So if we create a habit,
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they learn that perfectly right away.
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That's how you can train a dog, just by creating relationships.
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That's how Pavlov trained the dogs.
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That's right, right?
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Like they learn association.
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So if you come and go at the same time every day,
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they know when that time is and they're ready for you.
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And if you feed them at the same time every day.
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They know that as well, right?
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Even if we don't think we're doing it,
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the dog will show up ready to be fed.
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Yeah.
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But also I do think the smells of the room change over the course of the day
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and they're attuned to that just like it gets dark outside and we notice that the day is ending, right?
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It's a totally normal thing for us to notice.
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They're also noticing the day in odors.
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I think this is so interesting because,
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you know, for years we were told that your dog doesn't know the difference between five minutes or five hours.
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So what you were saying to Marissa really changes all that.
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That your dog isn't saying,
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oh, well, 7.07, or it's been 25 minutes or it's been an hour.
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Right.
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That's a human concept.
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That's a human concept.
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Yeah.
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They do know the difference between it's been five hours or it's been five minutes or it's been five days.
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That's right.
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They do.
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They feel that and they're noting all those changes of the day as we'd expect, right?
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And when you're not there, they're stressed.
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Yeah, it's stressful to be apart, right?
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But they also can calm from that stress.
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For some dogs, it's more stressful than others.
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I had a dog, Sophie,
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who just literally, I couldn't leave her anywhere.
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She had such anxiety.
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She's like howling in the hotel rooms.
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It's like an insecure attachment, right?
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Yes.
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But with a dog who has a secure attachment,
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when you come, they call.
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I always say that one of the great joys of my life has been my dogs.
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So I am deeply committed to their well-being,
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just like our friends at the Farmer's Dog.
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From my golden retrievers to my cocker spaniels,
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I've had 21 dogs over the years.
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They remind me to slow down,
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to be present, and to appreciate the small comforts in life.
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The Farmer's Dog makes human-grade food for our dogs with real ingredients and minimal processing.
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To all my fellow dog lovers,
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you know our beloved companions give us so much,
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and that is why The Farmer's Dog helps us do our best for them.
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