Pratique du Shadowing: EXCLUSIVE Magnus Carlsen Interview ft. GothamChess - Apprendre l'anglais à l'oral avec la vidéo
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Ladies and gentlemen, in this video, I interviewed Magnus Carlsen, the number one rated chess player in the world for more than a decade,
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the multiple -time classical, rapid, and blitz world champion, and a player considered by many as the greatest of all time.
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We were in Toronto for the Champions Chess Tour finale, which, surprise, surprise, Magnus also happened to win.
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And I know Magnus has been interviewed hundreds of times over the course of his career, so this was a special moment for me,
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not just because I actually met him for the first time,
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but because I wanted to provide an interview for him and ultimately for you the viewer, that would be an interesting listen,
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an interesting watch, and I believe that I have accomplished
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that goal with a mix of short and fun questions for him to answer, but also some longer and thought -provoking ones as well.
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Also at the end, we played a segment that actually my wife
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Lucy thought of, which is titled chess player or Ikea furniture.
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With that said, here's the interview.
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Hi, I'm Gotham Chess and I'm here with...
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Um, uh, sorry.
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Can we start again?
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Hi, I'm Gotham Chess, and I'm here with...
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Magnus, who is famous from Levi's YouTube videos.
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How many beers would it take for you to drink for me to beat you in a classical chess game?
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That's a very difficult question, because I'd probably sober up during the game, so I'd probably have to keep drinking.
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Probably start with 20 and take it from there.
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20, okay.
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What's the size of the cup?
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Um, pints.
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Wow, okay.
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Do you have a dream sponsor?
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My Puma deal is expiring, so I'm open for new ones in that sector.
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But I was recently at the Jordan Golf Club, so if Jordan want to come and sponsor me, I'd consider it.
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Every other chess player has said any sponsor because we don't get sponsorships.
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I'm sorry for my...
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You destroyed two decades of chess players, Vegas.
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Yeah, sorry about that.
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If you could be number one in the world, or if you could be number...
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Basically if you could be the greatest of all time at anything else, what would it be?
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Soccer for sure.
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Soccer?
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Yeah, that's an easy one.
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Name your price if you have to chess box.
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Ten million dollars.
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Okay.
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What's your drink of choice?
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Water.
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Past 10 p .m also water?
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Yeah, I might go for Diet Coke with ice and lemon.
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I like that as well.
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Do you prefer to play chess on Computer over the board or on your phone?
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I rarely play on my phone.
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I would say I prefer to play on the computer
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In your entire career, have you ever had a day where you went, I think this guy might be as good as me?
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No. Well, I mean, not, you know, since not the last 10 years, for sure.
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Has it ever been, this guy might be kind of close to me if I have a bad day?
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Yeah, I would say Fabian at his best was very close in classical, for sure.
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My other question was going to be, who do you think is the second best chess player in the world?
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Yeah, I think Fabiano Corano is the second best player.
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Do you remember the day you realized, oh, s*, I might be the best chess player on the planet?
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That's a very good question.
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I remember the first time that I was ranked number one in the world, unofficially.
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That was in Bilbao in 2008, late 2008.
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I didn't particularly think that I was the best player then.
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I would say probably fall 2012 I was absolutely certain
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that I was the best player but I did think back in 2010
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that I would have beaten either player Topalov
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or Anand in a world championship match in retrospect I'm not
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so sure 2010 would probably be the time that I I thought yeah I'm the best player, but I wasn't sure until 2012.
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Hey, it's me again.
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I know interrupting an interview is slightly unconventional, but I wanted to explain Magnus' answer in greater detail so you understand all the context.
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Well, the first thing Magnus says is 2008 in Bilbao.
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That is a chess tournament that he played in Spain in September of 2008.
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And in that tournament, Magnus actually unofficially became the number one ranked player in the world for a couple of days.
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That's because in 2008, the official rating lists were published every three months.
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Look, July and then October.
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So you could play chess for three months and the official rankings would never come out,
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but the players would shuffle all up and down against each other.
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And he said that when he played that tournament in Bilbao against some of those best players in the world, like Aronian, Rajabov, Anand, Ivanchuk,
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just to name a few, he didn't quite yet feel like he was number one in the world, but he broke through for a second.
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In fact, in a New York Times article that was published the day before that tournament started,
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Magnus literally said that he thinks Anand is a much better player than him.
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I found that fascinating.
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Now, fast forward to 2010.
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Magnus said that he thought he could have beaten either player in a world championship match, Topalov or Anand.
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Yes, he said in retrospect, he's not so sure, but Magnus actually turned down the candidates tournament in 2010 and 2011.
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Which is maybe not something that we all know.
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He declined to participate in the candidate cycle for the world championship actually multiple times in his career.
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Until 2012, because the very next year Magnus played in the candidates, ultimately won it, and then went on to defeat Vichy Anand in 2013.
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So it's interesting that by 2012 Magnus was certain that he was the best player in the world.
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In 2010 he figured he could probably beat either player playing for the throne.
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But in 2008 was technically when he first broke through and he was only 17 years old.
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Anyway, let's get back to the interview.
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I remember where I was the day that you played the final round in The Candidates.
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I don't remember much from 10 years ago.
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Okay, 2012, right?
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2013 was The Candidates.
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I don't remember much from 10 years ago.
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I remember I traveled
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that day on the New York City subway to meet my friend to go to the park and play handball.
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And we were watching your game.
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How stressful was that day?
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I would say I was almost too exhausted to be stressed.
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The day after my game with Rajaba was the first day in several days that I actually slept fine.
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But I just woke up and had no nervous or any kind of energy.
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So in retrospect, I probably should have forced a draw in that game
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but I also almost didn't have time to be stressed about the outcome or anything because,
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you know, I thought after I lost, I thought it was over.
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And then I briefly checked the position from Ivanczuk Kramnik and Ivanczuk was winning,
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so it only lasted like a minute or so that I was down about the results.
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So, no, complete exhaustion, yes.
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Stressed, not necessarily.
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At those high stakes events like
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World Championship or that candidates, how many hours on average do you get to sleep a night?
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Normally I sleep well.
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Especially if things are going well, of course, but normally I do sleep quite well.
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In the World Championship I'll get solid seven, eight hours every night.
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No melatonin, no chamomile, just hit the...
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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That seems pretty impressive.
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I mean, we hear LeBron James spends millions a year on his body.
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Do you feel like you need to do the same in chess, diet, chef?
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There's some rumors, or I don't know if you confirmed it in some interviews, like you bring a nutritionist or chef with you.
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You have like home -cooked meals at tournaments.
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I have brought a chef to a few world championships and a few other tournaments,
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specifically in places where we didn't think
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that the local food would be necessarily at the standard I'd like
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but yeah normally I try
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and eat relatively healthy not too much not too much sugar apart from
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that I was probably fitter before now I don't take care as much
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which I kind of should now because I'm a little bit older and I have less energy,
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so I actually need to be really fit to have a lot of energy.
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So, yeah, it's definitely one room for improvement these days.
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I'm going to offer you a deal.
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For every Magnus thumbnail I make, I have to donate 20 bucks to a Norwegian charity, or any charity of your choosing.
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No. No, no, no, that's okay.
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I'm a bit of a narcissist anyway, so I enjoy it.
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Okay.
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When are you focusing on content and overtaking as the number one chess channel?
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You have a Dorman channel with a million subscribers.
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No. I know no wish for that,
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but I do want to stream a bit more so that I can get more content out on these channels.
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But just for people to have something to enjoy.
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I'm gonna name a sport.
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You have to tell me the greatest of all time.
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Basketball.
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LeBron James.
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Soccer.
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Messi.
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I agree with both.
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Baseball.
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Barry Bones.
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Okay.
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Football like American football.
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Tom Brady, I guess.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Good one.
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Tennis.
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Djokovic.
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Was it always Djokovic for you?
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Or you thought maybe.
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No, it was after the Australian Open thing that he became the greatest for me.
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Was it Nadal before or Federer?
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Probably Federer, but I always identified more with the way the medal plays.
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Golf.
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Tiger?
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Poker.
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Do I practice?
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That's a unique one.
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Chess.
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Gary Kasparov?
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Are you allowed to say yourself?
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I don't know if I'm allowed, but I think Gary is the best of all time still.
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Chess, boxing.
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Amman Hamilton.
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We know the answer to this one, I think.
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If you could be the greatest of all time in a sport other than chess, what would it be?
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Yeah, soccer.
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Soccer.
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What team would you play for?
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Madrid?
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Yeah, for sure.
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Saudi League can't...
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No, I mean if they had money I would play in Saudi for sure.
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Okay.
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Can I answer the question about dream sponsor again?
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Sure, yeah.
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What is your dream sponsor?
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Summer and Wealth Fund of Saudi Arabia.
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Okay.
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We're gonna play this or that.
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Fiction or non -fiction?
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Non -fiction.
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Window or aisle seat?
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Where you fly business class?
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There's no such thing.
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Yeah, I used to be big window guy.
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yeah I'm still a window guy would you rather go on a cruise
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or a road trip road trip comedy or thriller comedy coffee
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or tea tea but only slightly preferably neither how do you get energized the Sun love it cats
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or dogs cats but I like dogs too it's like a this
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or that is a little bit tough with you you like everything shower or bath
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Oh shower for sure okay I don't have the patience to take baths
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I think adults taking baths is a weird thing
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but they it's on here so uh are you a morning person
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or a night owl night owl for sure would you rather get on a phone call
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or text message text i feel like the answer for you is neither
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i feel like it's just usually yes just go uh sunrise
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or sunset sunrise winter
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or summer summer okay i don't know maybe maybe you know
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you're uh from norway uh i'm gonna i'm gonna throw one in here um sauna or ice bath?
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Both.
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Okay.
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That's what you do in Norway that you go in the sauna
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and then you take an ice bath and then you go back in the sauna and you do that a few times.
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It's really nice.
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Best city in Norway?
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Oslo.
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Oslo.
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We're going to play title chess player or Ikea furniture.
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I asked you how you think you're going to do.
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You seem confident.
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I was at first
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but now I'm a little less sure i'll start with the first one profumo
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you see now i'm already i'm already unsure profumo doesn't sound
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i mean most of the ikea names are scandinavian profumo
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but i haven't heard about profumo chess player i could say ikea furniture
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but i'm not sure chess player oh boy go with your gut keep in mind
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i found some pretty obscure chess players because i had to make sure you didn't know
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He's an Italian, 2270.
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I'm gonna give you the tricky one first.
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Söderström.
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Uh, Söderström.
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Uh, I mean, I definitely heard Söderström as...
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I'm gonna say that's such a player.
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Yes.
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Swedish, which is why it's...
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Yeah, I mean, it's obviously Swedish.
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You can hear from the name that it's Swedish, but...
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Really?
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Söder means, like, south.
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Ah!
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So, and it's written a bit differently in Danish and Norwegian.
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Um, Ostano.
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I think that's furniture.
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You are correct.
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You are, I think, the first one to guess that fast.
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Fabi needed to know if there were dots on the O, which kind of gave it away.
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Like the Swedish O and two dots.
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Yes, two out of three.
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Vesken.
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Vesken?
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How do you spell it?
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V -E -S -K -E -N.
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Vesken?
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I mean, that's like, Veske is purse in Norwegian.
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So I'm gonna say furniture.
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Yes, correct.
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Three out of four.
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Zaibi.
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Z -A -I -B -I.
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Is that a Z or a Z?
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Z. Zaybi?
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Nah.
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Like Zebra.
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That's got to be a chess player.
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Yes.
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Do you know who it is?
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It's a Grandmaster.
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Zaybi is a Grandmaster?
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What's his first name?
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Amir.
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Amir Zaybi from Tunisia or something?
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Yes, yes, yes.
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How does that ring a bell?
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You just know the name from somewhere?
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Yeah, I probably have seen it somewhere.
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Usually, I thought I would know the name of most Grandmasters in the world, but maybe not.
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I don't know.
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Well, I think he was an I .M until maybe five years ago.
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Fabiano actually played him in the World Cup, which is actually...
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Yeah, I mean, it rings some kind of bell.
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Torald.
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Torald?
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Ah, that's furniture.
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Yeah, that is furniture.
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Torald.
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Last two.
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Panelo.
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P -A -N -E -L -O.
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And there's no, like, dance at the end of the...
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No. Panelo.
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That's not really a word.
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I'm going to guess chess player then.
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You're correct.
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Marcelo Panelo, 2370.
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Argentina.
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Okay, last one.
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Furniture or chess player?
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Kallax.
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And it's an A, there's no.. no...
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Yeah, no, no, I tried to avoid those.
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That would be too...
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Okay, then I'm gonna say chess player.
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Furniture.
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Yeah.
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Sorry.
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Kallax.
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Can I see how you write it?
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Yeah.
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Kallax.
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K...
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I hope I didn't mess that up.
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For some reason, I thought it was K...
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S.. then.
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That was not easy.
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I mean this is why the game exists.
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I mean six out of eight is still pretty good.
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Yeah, but I'm I have an advantage since I so to speak when It's kind of even language.
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Okay.
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Well next big tournament.
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We'll do a we'll do the next one
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So folks, I hope you enjoyed this conversation
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And I hope that I was able to ask some questions
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that I think were slightly non -traditional not something that you hear
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When chess players are interviewed all the time
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This was a very special one for me
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because really only since 2020 have I become any form of personality out there on the internet.
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I've always been a fan and spectator of chess as well as a chess player and teacher.
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But being able to meet Magnus and many other top players over the last few years has been super special.
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And I look forward to creating more media with them in the future because I think that it's helpful for you,
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the viewers at home, to get a lens into some of the greatest chess players in the world.
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beyond the 64 squares.
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That's all I have for you today.
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Until next time.
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And before I go, also a massive thank you to Magnus.
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He was in great spirits, and that was probably because he won some chess match earlier in the day, so that definitely made it easier.
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But I look forward to having a conversation in the future.
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Now you know the drill.
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Get out of here.
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Cette leçon d’expression orale s’appuie sur la vidéo « EXCLUSIVE Magnus Carlsen Interview ft. GothamChess ». Les mots qui reviennent le plus souvent : chess, player, Magnus. Cette vidéo contient 335 phrases et 2776 mots à répéter en shadowing. La partie parlée dure 15:52. Le locuteur parle à un rythme naturel d’environ 175 mots par minute, proche d’une conversation courante. Seuls 79 % des mots font partie des 3 000 mots les plus courants en anglais, le vocabulaire est donc exigeant.
Vocabulaire clé de cette vidéo
15 mots de la vidéo à retenir, avec leur prononciation et leur sens :
| Mot | Prononciation | Sens |
|---|---|---|
| chess nom | /t͡ʃɛs/ | échecs |
| furniture nom | /ˈfɝ.nɪ.t͡ʃɚ/ | mobilier, meubles |
| soccer nom | /ˈsɑk.ɚ/ | football, soccer |
| bath nom | /bɑːθ/ | bain, baignoire |
| sponsor nom | /ˈspɒn.səː/ | commanditaire, sponsor |
| fiction nom | /ˈfɪkʃən/ | fiction, belles-lettres |
| chef nom | /ʃɛf/ | chef cuisinier, chef |
| necessarily adverbe | /ˌnɛs.əˈsɛɹ.ə.li/ | absolument, nécessairement |
| charity nom | /ˈtʃæɹɪti/ | charité |
| rank nom | /ˈɹæŋk/ | rangée |
| rat nom | /ɹæt/ | rat, souris |
| sunrise nom | /ˈsʌnɹaɪz/ | lever du soleil, potron-minet |
| viewer nom | /ˈvju.ɚ/ | spectateur, spectatrice |
| meal nom | /ˈmiːl/ | repas |
| impressive adjectif | /ɪmˈpɹɛsɪv/ | impressionnant, épatant |
Les verbes à particule que vous entendrez
| Mot | Prononciation | Sens |
|---|---|---|
| look forward to verbe | avoir hâte de, attendre avec impatience | |
| break through verbe | percer | |
| come out verbe | /ˌkʌm ˈaʊt/ | sortir |
| turn down verbe | refuser, décliner | |
| wake up verbe | /ˌweɪk ˈʌp/ | se réveiller |
Des phrases à répéter
Des phrases courtes et complètes de la vidéo, à réutiliser dans la conversation de tous les jours :
- Do you have a dream sponsor?
- What's your drink of choice?
- Are you allowed to say yourself?
- What team would you play for?
- Can I answer the question about dream sponsor again?
La grammaire de cette vidéo
Les structures que le locuteur utilise le plus, avec les mots exacts de la vidéo :
| Structure | Dans la vidéo |
|---|---|
| Phrases conditionnelles if + proposition, will/would + verbe — une condition et son résultat | if they had money I would play |
| Present perfect have/has + participe passé — une action passée qui compte encore maintenant | has been interviewed · have accomplished · has said |
| Voix passive be + participe passé — l’accent est mis sur ce qui arrive, pas sur qui le fait | has been interviewed · is titled · was ranked |
| Propositions relatives who / which + proposition — une précision sur une personne ou une chose | Swedish, which is · Cup, which is |
Prononciation à surveiller
Le locuteur utilise 68 contractions et formes réduites, comme I'm, don't, gonna. Prononcez-les sous leur forme courte, telles que vous les entendez.
- Les sons « th »: bath /bɑːθ/, throne /θɹəʊ̯n/, thriller /ˈθɹɪ.lə/, thumbnail /ˈθʌm.neɪl/
- Les sons « sh » et « zh »: fiction /ˈfɪkʃən/, chef /ʃɛf/, patience /ˈpeɪ̯.ʃəns/, accomplish /əˈkɑm.plɪʃ/, nutritionist /njuːˈtɹɪʃ.ənɪst/
- Mots longs — placez bien l’accent: necessarily /ˌnɛs.əˈsɛɹ.ə.li/, participate /pɑːˈtɪs.ɪ.peɪt/, differently /ˈdɪf.ə.ɹənt.li/, technically /ˈtɛk.nɪˌkəl.i/, melatonin /ˌmɛləˈtəʊnɪn/
Les sons difficiles pour les francophones :
- /tʃ/ et /dʒ/ — à ne pas adoucir en « ch » et « j »: chess /t͡ʃɛs/, furniture /ˈfɝ.nɪ.t͡ʃɚ/, charity /ˈtʃæɹɪti/, gentleman /ˈd͡ʒɛn.təl.mən/, energize /ˈɛnəd͡ʒaɪz/
- /r/ anglais — langue recourbée, sans frotter la gorge: necessarily /ˌnɛs.əˈsɛɹ.ə.li/, charity /ˈtʃæɹɪti/, rank /ˈɹæŋk/, rat /ɹæt/, sunrise /ˈsʌnɹaɪz/
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