Shadowing Practice: ROSÉ: The rosie Interview | Apple Music - Learn English Speaking with Video
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I can call you Rosie now, right?
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You're giving us a green light to call you Rosie.
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Yes, you may.
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Very generous.
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Have you listened to the album?
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Come on.
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Then you may.
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Thank you for flying in.
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Thank you for doing this.
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I know it's hectic right now.
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You've got a lot going on.
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You asked for this, but it doesn't change the fact that you've still got a lot going on.
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You've made time for it, so we appreciate it.
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Thank you so much.
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Oh my gosh.
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No, I'm super grateful that you guys have invited me to talk about my album.
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And I'm like pinching myself.
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I feel like this is a dream.
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Yeah, I mean, I think that's what happens
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when you put a lot of your heart and soul into something and then all of a sudden it arrives.
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And we all assume it arrives for us, but it also arrives for you.
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Because in a way, I guess it doesn't feel real until people listen to it in some respects.
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No, literally, when I walked in and you guys were playing the song, I've never had somebody play it for me.
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I would always play it for somebody.
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I don't think I noticed how much I've been waiting for
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this moment until I hear like you guys play it and in New York I had my first promotion week and
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Can I tell you the craziest story?
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Tell me all the crazy stories.
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It was just so funny because I was doing the first interview and it was not
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It was like a one of those pre-interviews.
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So I guess production asks for like a pre-interview Oh, like tell us some stories you're going to tell us before we do the thing.
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Yes.
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Tell us the stories.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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And so that's what we're doing.
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That was the first thing I did as soon as I landed in New York.
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And I woke up and I was like, okay, first thing.
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And then we get on the Zoom and then they're like, how do you feel about promoting the album and about your album coming out?
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And I was just like, um, and I ended up crying.
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I was going to say that you burst into tears.
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I ended up crying for the whole 30 minutes.
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I was like, I was actually like, it's the most embarrassing thing I've ever experienced.
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Because I'm not surprised it's such a big question for someone who spent a year
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or two years making something it's such a simple observation
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but it's like i really wasn't ready for the simplest question yeah no that's
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when i noticed i was like okay i can give credit for myself
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because i think obviously it was not a smooth ride
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and it just showed how much you know time and effort
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and blood set and tears i actually did put into it
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and that was a moment where i i allowed myself to acknowledge the fact
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that i am really proud that I'm at the point of promoting it
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so it really means a lot to me apparently internally your
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voice is telling you it means a lot to you
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and now we're experiencing that too I mean it makes me think about like the observation
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that some artists have which is when I make something I'm going through it
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when I'm ready to release it I'm through it
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and then we sort of get to listen to it for the first time
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and we assume you're still going through it are you a
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different person today now the album is coming out than you were
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when started making oh completely i literally think this album is
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just a rep like a little capsule it's like a little time like it's like
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when i listen to my songs i remember every minute of it
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and i like went through everything
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and without this album i think i would have carried a
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lot of the past version of myself um through till today because to be honest like i'm not really
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i'm not doing it was like a therapy session um
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and i never so i've bottled it up into this thing called Rosie
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and so I've walked out of every single studio with a story and walked out
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but then like I left it in
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that song there are some days where it's like okay I don't like
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that song yeah and the emotion bounced back back into me yeah
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and I felt like that didn't really get the story out
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so in that case those songs actually didn't make it to the album
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but every single song
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that has made it to the album served a purpose yeah yeah served a purpose in my life actually
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and literally and there are days where I'm like wow I don't talk about
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that in anymore like ever since
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that session I don't talk about it until today we're gonna
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go through song by song taking her back through every single
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painful trauma it's Rosie the revised experience no I'm just some things will definitely maybe come up in conversation
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because the music is very real and I said that to
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when I met you before the cameras I said I in the performance of these songs
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which I'm really attuned to is how someone sounds
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when they're singing them there are times I feel like you've caught yourself by surprise with the emotion of performing
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that particular song do you remember those moments where you sang outside of what would be considered a conventional performance
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and it was like oh I'm emoting something I wasn't expecting oh yeah I think the more
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and more I was in the studio I I learned slowly.
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Um, so at first it started with like, started with a lot of anxiety.
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Cause, um, there's this thing I say to myself, I was like, I always think.
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Confidence equals like, I can always think, think of a Korean word right now. Which is talent.
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I honestly think the more confidence I have, the more, um, space I get to show talent.
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Like, I don't think like talent is like talent is such a, it's, it's a bit of an interesting word
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because the more confidence somebody has like like you can play around with it
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and stuff but at the very beginning i didn't have much of it
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because i had so much anxiety in the studio
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and i was obviously was not comfortable in the studio yet about being vulnerable
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and showing my emotions the most fun part about this whole process of creating this album is
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that i think near the end of it i kind of mastered that you know the pushing through the anxiety and
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You knew you could go there.
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I started creating things.
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And my producer, when I went back to Korea, I hadn't recorded with him for over a year.
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He was shocked.
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He was like, Rosie, you're nailing this instantly.
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You take that one to two takes and you're already there.
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And the tone is like, you've kind of mastered this new texture and tone to your voice.
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And so I was like, really?
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I felt really happy about it
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but I had started to like have fun in the studio
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like near the end right now even still I'm supposed to wrap up the album
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you want to keep going huh? yeah I literally kind of
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had to sort myself I added these like last two
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and I think one for the deluxe somebody was like let's just put that for the deluxe then
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because it's like we loved it so much
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and I was like oh my gosh I think I know the two songs you're referring to
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and I really like both of them really? yeah
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and I can tell actually that you know those two songs feel it's funny because
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it feels a bit different right it does in a weird
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way certainly the the the last song on the record
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which is the uptempo one the the additional one the uptempo
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the deluxe yeah yeah yeah it is just a sense of
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i suppose a like you say freedom in the way you're approaching it
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that that i think is in in the middle of the record
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when i when i can really feel and everyone will hear
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that you're going through something you capture it really well it's nice to get to the end
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and feel like you got through yes no I think that's like the best feeling
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and that's when I was like do I have to jump on the next one now
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because I want to capture these moments
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and well that's my question actually is is
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when the last Blackpink tour came to its natural conclusion did
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you feel any pressure from outside of yourself to make a
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solo album was there even a reality where you wouldn't dive into the studio
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and make your proper full-length debut first I felt pressured, to be honest.
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Yeah.
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Um, we were kind of coming off of the year long tour and, um, you know, us as Blackpink, as mature as we are,
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we got together and decided, well, let's promise ourselves a good year to be inspired.
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You know, we've, we've worked so hard for the past eight years and we've done, I honestly believe we've done so well and I'm so proud, but you know, we, we all,
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you know, got together and just promised ourselves a good year to work on our
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it's all this stuff and um the first thing
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that happened was anxiety
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because you know i got i was privileged to have this
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one year in my hands to do whatever i wanted with it
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but i wanted it to be the right decision
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and it had to it had to feel right
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and i was getting anxiety like from the get go i
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think i had anxiety all through now i'm kind of excited
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but um and so yeah at the beginning it It started like that.
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Self-imposed pressure, though.
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A sense of like, what if I don't find it?
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Yes.
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And what if I don't believe in it?
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And I don't feel it.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's the biggest fear I think I had.
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I think doing it, like, there were so many opportunities.
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I'm so grateful for that.
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But what if I don't believe in my thing?
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And what if I'm in a place where I'm having to do things that I don't feel like it's me?
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Yeah, because everyone says it's good enough and you know it's not.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I wanted to be truthful, right?
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And so, but I just went, okay, I'm just going to start it.
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Like I have not really ever been in like the building process of an album before, but you know, a start is everything as they say.
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So let's start it.
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Starting and ending.
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Starting and ending.
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And ending it.
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Everything in the middle is a joy and you can do it with in front of nobody if you really want to, but you've got to start it.
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You've got to make a commitment to yourself and then you've got to be able to finish it.
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Yeah.
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So I threw myself in and I remember telling my co-writers and producers, I was like, I am so anxious.
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They're like, why are you so anxious?
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And they were, they have guided me through this process so much and I'm so grateful.
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But I remember walking out of like the first few sessions being like, like, I'm actually surprised.
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I think I might be able, like, I think this proves to myself, no one else, just to myself that I might be able to just work at this.
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And then my friends and family started supporting me when I was like, eh.
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And I was still shy about it.
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I was like, eh, I wrote this song with a few people.
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And they'd be like, Rosie, you should build this up.
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And I doubted myself even still, but they were like, just do it.
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Just go at it.
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Just go back to L.A.
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Just fly back, book the hotel, get an Airbnb, just go and do it.
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And I did it.
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And I stuck to it for a few months.
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and then a few months led to like like two months led to three months four
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or five and then in the middle of it I found a label
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and I made sure I made decisions the way I felt like it was right
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and then here I am today congratulations I mean we can't take it for granted
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that just because you're in a successful collaborative experience with your friends
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and you had you have had enormous success I think we see
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that and we equate that to confidence but you're right it's different
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when you've got to find your own voice
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and figure out also having a voice
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that you've got to be collaborative in a band right you've got to figure out
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when do I turn my voice on and
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when do I turn it off or turn it down
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or be a part of the group and
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so did you at what point in this process did you find a different power
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or a different feeling in your voice
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that you hadn't been able to really use for a long time
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if at all I think at the very beginning it was still a little hard because again And like I said, I was kind of pushing through confidence.
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Like I had people in the room who were like, they probably listened to good music all the time and record amazing musicians all the time.
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So I had a little bit of confidence to push through.
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But then by the time it was like back-to-back sessions and I was like building on songs that felt personal to me.
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And when I started expressing these things and creating within that world, I think I started pushing through.
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And I mean, I can't pinpoint what song because there's also a lot of songs that I've dropped.
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I think of Number One Girl as a pretty big turning point vocally, definitely.
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It's one of those...
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Emotionally too, though.
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Emotionally too.
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That was the day we wrote that song the day after I went to this event.
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I'd been to so many glamorous events and I felt so grateful that I'm at these events, but I didn't feel fulfilled.
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I felt like I was chasing after something.
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What am I chasing after?
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And I felt so empty and I remember feeling so miserable.
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But, um, and then that night I ended up finding myself on social media to like.
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Cause that'll help.
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Cause that helps, right?
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No, it's like, let me go to an event.
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Feel like I'm totally one of many people in a crowd.
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I don't feel special or unique at all.
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Let me go to social media and see how well everyone else is doing.
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Great idea.
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No, and then I end up.
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Smash that.
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Thank you.
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My mental health is like, we're, we're there.
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You're there.
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Yeah.
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Um, no, and then I end up looking for all these comments
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that are just going to obviously shattered me and I found myself
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and I was like I hate I hate this like oh my gosh
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and I remember walking up the next day
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and I was like I want to write a song that's just like
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so honest I'm so disappointed in myself that I've actually
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because I think I've grown up being like be confident in yourself
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when people say things to you don't let it get to you
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and it really didn't get to me for a while
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but I did to be honest that night feel like I hated the fact
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that I that this one person with this yeah had this power
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and I was so obsessed with these people who were not nice to me
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and who really didn't know me but I was
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so obsessed with it and
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so I was like I want to write an obsessive song about
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and talk about this emotion of really wanting to be loved by By somebody
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and this vulnerability and I wanted to be so disgustingly honest I'll tell you Amy that was in there.
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I was like I wanted to be disgustingly honest and she like and we'd like Amy Yellen, I can do that.
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Yeah, that's what I do
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And I'd more no I like I just don't want it
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to be sugar-coated at all I don't want to even act
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confident here can I read some of the lyrics yes please
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tell me I'm a little angel sweetheart of your city say what I say what I'm dying to hear
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because I'm dying to hear you tell me that I'm
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that new thing tell me that I'm relevant that's brilliant
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and then it gets really like deep tell me
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that I've got a big heart and back it up with evidence that's It's heavy.
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Because what that says is like, tell me that I've got a big heart, right?
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Tell me that I have some kind of emotional resonance here, that I'm somebody that's worthy of just what you see, what you hear about me, but then give me a reason why that's true.
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Yeah, even convince me.
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It's so selfish in a strange way, right?
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Convince me also.
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Yeah.
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Because even if people say nice things, I also want to know if you really mean it.
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Right.
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I don't know.
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I'm pretty toxic.
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Have you heard the album?
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Then you can call me Rosie.
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Give me the evidence.
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you need to straight face it longer next time yeah you gotta do
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that to everybody i won't be i won't be the thanks
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i won't be the first person who says to you uh
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can i call you rosie now just be like have you heard the album did you hear the album
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and i'll wait for like five seconds 15.
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go in just go out no i love that song
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and i and uh it's it's interesting
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because everyone who hears it will be like who's it about
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is it about me is it about me as a fan is it about me you know
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the does it speak to me the way i want someone
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to speak to me about my life does it resonate in my life
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but it's kind of about everyone that's the crazy thing about
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it it's about the sensational i took it as a sensational
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desire to be loved i i think it represents represents every
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toxic relationship toxic meaning like an unhealthy amount of love towards somebody
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or a group of people or whoever that it's tough i'm making it toxic
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because i want to be loved by
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that person the the feeling of wanting to be accepted it's just a representation of
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that and i've not just experienced that like
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that night i've experienced with many people like just be wanting
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like even a girl in the room like i just want to be accepted by like she's
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so cool like what will it take for you to to love me
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which is not anyone else's problem that's the crazy thing like
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when we get to that point in our lives where we put
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so much of our own identity work in the hands of
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others we're we're missing the real golden opportunity i think
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which is to which is to actually cut through
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and learn to love ourselves a little bit more you know yeah
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but i'm i'm here i'm 27 i'm still working on it obviously
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if anything some days are worse same i think i was better
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when i was 19 i was badass at 19 yeah
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because everyone's but well if we're just better at pretending
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when we're 19 yeah maybe right we're all just trying to sort of pretend our way through every awkward situation
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that life presents because we're so alert and aware of them then right we're
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so like oh my god this is horrible yeah i'm gonna
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be the best person i can possibly pretend to be maybe
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that's what it is you know i think a lot of it
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and then you know you get to see the world
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and no one's seen the world the way you've seen the world
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and i i really appreciate how this album is um there's
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a lot of internal thinking going on here on this record it's not just all the things i've seen
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and all the experiences I've witnessed vicariously as I've toured the world multiple times
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and had the kind of experience only three other girls can
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really relate to right other women you know you've really done a lot of self-work in this record
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and there's a lot of really brutal honest writing in here yeah I mean it's just all the things
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that obviously as what we are you know as Blackpink it's
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all the things like I would love to share with my
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I think um my fans are like I should feel closer to them
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but some subjects I don't get to talk about every day
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because you know people like to say things and it causes drama
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and everything but I think a lot of
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that is like in you know voices inside of me
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and it's me who I am as a person and my friends
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and family when they hear it when I play it
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and they're like this is so you Rosie oh my god this is
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so you this is what we hear about every day
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and it's just what I talk about with my friends and family put into an album
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so that we can all share it
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and hopefully my fans feel closer to me yeah closeness is
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a big theme on this record right this idea of wanting to eliminate the distance
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that i think really success can create not really it just it just happens naturally i think right
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and i think that it's clear
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that you know just by the by calling the album rosie
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and saying this is what my friends and family call me
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that you want to feel closer to your to your fans through this process I really do
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that was good especially last year good few months where I was like I was craving
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that so bad but there was nothing I could do at
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that time I just want to give them the best all the time um
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and there were a really good few months of feeling like
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that craving for the closeness with the fans
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and I really did channel it and so I'm
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so grateful for the opportunities that I've had in the studio um
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that I could channel that in into my music
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so in a way is number one girl kind of almost
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a tribute to as much as it's toxic it's kind of
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it's kind of a message isn't it i'm like yeah it really it started there um
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but we made sure that it contained a universal feeling
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which it is i could relate to
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that after like say i have a breakup next year i could turn it on
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and i could channel it let's hope not after hearing this album
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because i think you've obviously been through one as well i mean ladies and gentlemen the ex I mean,
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there are lyrics that sometimes just, they sort of, they're more visceral than others.
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That song was actually supposed to be called The X.
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We started writing it being like, oh my God, it's about time.
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We've talked about The X a bit too much.
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It's about time that we write a song called The X.
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But then we came up with a better punchline.
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So we just, so we put it in that section.
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We're like, I need to talk about it.
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But it's also what's cool about it is that the song ends up becoming somewhat self-aware too.
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And like at the end of any relationship, you take a bit of accountability for all of that too.
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And even for the decisions you make, whether you thought that was smart or not.
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And later on, it's like, all right, maybe I need to judge people a little bit better than I have been.
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But that song in particular is kind of really at the heart of a lot of the subject matter, which is like, you know,
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a sort of classic sort of playbook done very personally, uniquely through that experience that many people don't get to write about.
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that idea of having something and losing something
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that meant a lot to you um was it tough to sort of be as open about
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that as as you had been on the record what were
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some of the challenges you found about really writing from the heart i think
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that was like something
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that was living with me for a few years i don't personally don't think i deserved it
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but it just it was it was there like i'm actually shocked
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that to this like today i can wake up
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and be like i don't talk about that anymore because I'm grateful
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that I got to do this album because I used to talk about it so much.
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So when you ask if it was hard, it was very easy for me to talk about it because it was something I was talking about all the time.
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All the time.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So just transfer into song mode.
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Yeah.
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And I'd go and be like, what do you want to...
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And I'd hate it, but I'd never like the person to know about it, but I would talk about it so much.
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Do not want to give credit to the person, but I'd talk about it And it's just the easiest.
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It was the easiest because like I needed to get it off my chest.
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And we talk about all the time.
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Like, what are you talking about?
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Oh, we're talking about the X.
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The X.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Again.
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And they're like, okay, Rosie, do it again.
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I'm like, I got more.
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Yeah.
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I got more.
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Don't worry about it.
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Don't worry about it.
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We're not done with the X.
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Yeah.
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So it wasn't that difficult.
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Yeah.
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It was, it was, yeah, it was good.
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It was easy.
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Is there a song where you really feel like it finally closed the loop on that chapter in your life?
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I think Game Boy was the last one.
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That was good.
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Game Boy was the last one.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, oh, my God.
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I was actually excited that day because I was like, I felt like I had to squeeze it out.
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Other days, I just feel like it'd be at the tip of my tongue.
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Like all these like, I'm like, oh, my God, this would be perfect for that line.
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I have so many ideas.
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But that one, we had to squeeze it out.
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I was like, wow, I've come to a point where I have to squeeze this out.
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I'm like, I'm so happy about this.
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Your time is over, X, you're done.
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And that was the last one.
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Yeah.
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Look, I mean, I think a lot of people will really applaud
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and really appreciate the honesty on this record because it's something, if you're lucky, you go through that.
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I know it's a strange thing to say, but it's part of the human experience.
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And the more it hurts, the more you felt it, right?
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You work with some amazing people on this record.
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I mean, the list is great.
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But I also think it's really important to point out that, you know, you wrote or co-wrote all the songs.
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You know, we're involved in the production right across the board.
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I think a lot gets put into this idea of people with talent and ability who can perform at a high level, ultimately giving a lot of that responsibility to other people.
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And that does happen.
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But you must have loved being able to take some real control over your destiny creatively in all ways. For sure.
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At first, like I said, I was worried because I am the type of person to say like,
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there are people who are professionals for certain things because of a reason.
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You know, they're professionals.
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So like, sometimes it's best not to.
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That's fine.
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You don't have to turn around to Omar Fede and be like, I got this guitar like Omar.
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Don't worry about it.
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I'm in control.
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Never.
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You know what I mean?
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Let's leave Omar with the guitar. That one?
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Yeah.
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It's all for it. Of course.
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And so that's why I was very shy, but they really helped me push through that.
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And, you know, they'd always be like, like, that made me feel so comfortable.
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And that's how, like, I ended up feeling so comfortable in the studio.
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And then later on, I noticed how much I wanted a certain sound for this album.
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I noticed how anal I was with that.
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And it was like a year of discovering.
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Like, oh, wow, I have an idea.
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It's somewhere in there.
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I just need to get it out.
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I need to keep going back at it.
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um, have a lot of bad examples of like, that's not it.
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If you talk to any of them, they know Rosie says no to a lot of it.
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I'm like, that's not it.
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And it's like, it's hard to articulate it, but we push through and we always end up with something.
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Rosie, your that's not it is pretty iconic.
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I have to say, we might have to put that on the soundboard of the show.
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That's not it.
463
I've heard, I've had a couple of that good.
464
That's not it's from people.
465
It's definitely up there guys.
466
That's not it.
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And so I said, started doing a lot of that, but.
468
So how did you know what was it?
469
Was it a feeling?
470
It's really hard to tell, but it's a way of executing the story.
471
It's like, there's certain words that, that describe it, but then there's certain words that dis, that ruin the magic of it.
472
So it's just all, it's, it feels like puzzle.
473
It's like, it's like you have to put the puzzle piece in that section to figure out if it fits or not.
474
You can't tell, but just by looking, cause they all look very similar.
475
You have to put it on it and, and kind of like try put it in until you realize oh that's the right puzzle piece
476
so it was a lot of that and
477
put a lot of brain power into it
478
because it needed to feel right i needed to go home
479
that day with a bounce on my phone
480
and be able to listen to it the best feeling
481
when it works isn't it the best the monitor mix i'm
482
surprised anybody ever does anything more than what they do
483
when they put things through a monitor at the end of a of a demo day
484
because it always nothing to me it never sounds better than
485
that first few hours I agree ever
486
and then you have to let someone else tell you it sounds better
487
because I'm like nah it still sounds good four months ago story of my life yeah
488
but I mean yeah and then I have to learn to let
489
that go as well
490
because sometimes there's I don't know you know I'll put an
491
album out that's like fully demo I'll be like nobody touch anything
492
and like you know what demo is anymore when you're a kid
493
and you make a music in your bedroom through a computer
494
and you're happy with how it sounds I don't even what's a demo anymore.
495
I mean, half the time, I think that's the magic, right?
496
You know, it's like Rick Rubin says, you know, this is my vision.
497
This is what I would like to share with you.
498
And then it's up to you whether you like it, but I've done my job.
499
I've shared my vision.
500
I'm kind of fascinated to know a little bit about how
501
you've sort of navigated this really high pressure experience of showing up at the highest level
502
and performing great success with your friends
503
and kind of been dealing with this kind of growing lack of confidence
504
that really showed itself when you came off the road um were you aware of
505
that before you came off the road did you feel it building up in you
506
that there was this kind of this hill you were going to have to climb in order to get over
507
that um i think at the beginning of anything it's the fear like that's where you lack confidence
508
because like when you start something like it's like a baby learning how to walk you don't know
509
but because i think had more fear because we were doing like world tours And I'm in places where people are, you know, there to celebrate our success.
510
Do you have time to be afraid when it's like that?
511
To be honest, I've been like training.
512
We did a full year on it.
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So I think it got better towards the end of it.
514
But then to get off of that, you know, something that we've perfected, you know, every day.
515
And to repeat it and master it, you know.
516
And then we're there.
517
Even at the beginning of the tour, I was nervous.
518
I was like, a black of confidence and I have to go through all
519
that struggle to be at the place of confidence.
520
But for this one too, it was so scary because I've never been taught to be like to, that's not something that I trained.
521
I trained like everything else, like how to be on stage, how to like, you know, everything.
522
But that's not something I really had much help, you know, doing in the past.
523
So that's the part that was scary.
524
But when you were growing up, if the story, from what I've, I've read about you, that, you know, you used to spend a lot of time just on your own playing the piano
525
and just kind of leaning into your own natural voice
526
and what you want to tell you want to express yourself before you were even a recording us
527
or anything of
528
that nature did you sort of find a way to kind of do you think you tap back into
529
that a little bit even subliminally
530
or subconsciously as you're moving forward maybe I have never actually thought about
531
that before but if I think about it like
532
because like Australia you know this it's not city like there's not much going on
533
and so I'd be go to school come home
534
and I was just like a really quiet I wasn't like crazy friends
535
and like we didn't go out
536
and hang out after just like kind of my mom would pick me up
537
and go home my sister would be somewhere doing her own
538
thing I just like be sat in front of this piano
539
and what more entertainment is there to then to just I
540
think yeah I guess that's what got me into it
541
and then I'd be like bored and I'd be watching TV
542
and there people like I'd watch a movie I watched Dreamgirls I'd watch
543
that and I was like oh I was I was so moved at how she would sing the song Listen, and I'd go to the computer and search chords.
544
I had been learning how to play piano.
545
My mom taught, like, you know, got me lessons and stuff and I hated it.
546
But what I got out of that was I knew how to play chords.
547
So I'd like print them out and I'd like try sing it
548
and like channel into like the emotion that I watched on the TV.
549
And so, you know, that, and I think probably, obviously, as I was doing that, I was probably finding ways of expressing this emotion.
550
This big, I'm so, I was so little, I don't know big emotions like that.
551
But as I was watching it, I was like, you know, learning from it.
552
And I think that got me to like, obviously practice and lean into this emotion, um, that I have and match it.
553
Uh, and I may, I'm thinking maybe that really helped me into that.
554
Because even when I record, I always think, like, what character am I playing?
555
Where am I at in the scene of the song?
556
Sometimes I write it because it was my thing, but then when I go in, I don't feel that there and then.
557
So I'm like, so what is it?
558
Where am I?
559
And I sometimes have to create characters in my head and scenarios.
560
Most of the time, I think I do that.
561
That's something I've built recently.
562
I put myself in a scene.
563
Yeah.
564
And I imagine like if I'm looking here, I imagine if it's like, oh, I sound like a really scary person.
565
Not at all.
566
Do I sound really weird?
567
No, I'll tell you why.
568
Because I'm really, I'm really locked into this answer.
569
I'm really into this answer.
570
I'll tell you why.
571
Because I think that when you're writing something so personal, when you're writing a song like Call of the End or Not the Same, right?
572
And you're like, hey, I've got to find a way to sort of conjure up how I felt at the time that really inspired these words.
573
But you can't just do that on call.
574
Actors can.
575
Actors can.
576
Actors can find a moment in a scene, draw something from their life, and deliver it in front of camera to make us believe it's real.
577
So in many respects, it's actually a shortcut, I'd imagine, to you getting to the emotional place you need to.
578
It's a tool.
579
No, I've eventually actually noticed that it's very similar to acting.
580
Because at first it was really hard, but I had to record every day.
581
That's what I take from it anyway.
582
I think it's a tool, right?
583
It really is.
584
You want me to sing like I did about eight months ago?
585
Or what's that movie look like?
586
Yeah, I think it is.
587
You signed your record deal.
588
And I believe that like Bruno was pretty encouraging about that as well.
589
And Bruno's kind of been there for you at times to sort of help give you little bits of advice
590
or at least just kind of like a point in the right direction when you've asked for it.
591
Is that true?
592
No, it's true.
593
It's really weird.
594
I'm like, what's happening?
595
What's my life right now?
596
Because it's Bruno Mars and not like John Thompson down the road.
597
The whole thing started because I became a fan like a year ago
598
when he traveled to Korea for his Seoul show in Seoul.
599
And I was like, I'm the biggest Bruno Mars fan!
600
I didn't know I knew all the lyrics to 50 other songs.
601
He has that subliminal effect on people, I tell you.
602
The amount of times you put on the radio and someone you wouldn't pick.
603
Like I'll be with my like 82 year old dad and he'll just be like, When you smile, I look at you, you're amazing.
604
I'm like, oh, you know that dad?
605
What the hell?
606
Right?
607
It has that effect on people.
608
And so it's crazy, but he's been really, like, he's been the best.
609
Yeah, he has.
610
I mean, but, you know, he also recognizes in you something that's amazing too.
611
And that must be really, in terms of like that confidence that you need, I mean, that's good stuff.
612
The first day I met him, I was like, we were saying some stuff, and I was like, well, so do you want to listen to some of the, because he asked me, so I heard you're working on the album, how's it going?
613
I was like, da-da-da-da, and I was like, well, do you want to have a listen?
614
And he's like, wow.
615
I was like, he was like, Rosie's a hustler.
616
I was like, oh, damn it.
617
He read it.
618
He takes one to know one.
619
I mean, he would have just been like, what took you so long?
620
I'm ready to mix this thing.
621
And so it's like, yeah.
622
And then, yeah, fast forward.
623
Yeah, now we have the song.
624
Song number six with Bruno Mars.
625
Can you pronounce it for me, please?
626
Ah, pats.
627
So what is this drinking game?
628
It's a Korean drinking game that literally everyone, especially everyone like around my age and I would say younger, um, plays when they drink.
629
It's actually a game.
630
Right.
631
I grew up, I played it the most, I think 20, 21, 22, 23 maybe.
632
By the way, you're lucky we don't have liquor here.
633
I tell you, you better get ready for every single late night talk show you're about to go on where every single host is like, well, we're going to play this game with you right now.
634
Bring it on.
635
Bring it on.
636
So what are the rules?
637
The rules are, it's really simple.
638
Just like if you, because usually you gather around in like a circle and you're drinking and talking, right?
639
And then, so if it's my game, I say Rosie's favorite.
640
And as I sing, everybody joins in.
641
Random game, game start.
642
And everybody sings, and because it's my game, I would scream out the floor number.
643
So I'd be like, seven.
644
And everyone puts their hands, stacks their hands in the middle.
645
You go one from bottom up.
646
One, two, three, four, five, six.
647
And whoever lands on the seventh, it's like, take the shot.
648
So it's really simple, but the chant is fun to do.
649
The chant is fun to do.
650
And I can imagine after like maybe 15 rounds of APT, it starts to get a little bit blurry as well.
651
Yeah.
652
It's great.
653
It's a great moment on the record and it's kind of, um, it's interesting because it's a little bit of a, um, it's, it's kind of a trick.
654
It plays a trick on us because it, it, it, it tells us that you're making really inventive, really modern pop music, but it doesn't prepare us for the, some of the heartbreak on the record.
655
It really surprised me in a good way when I got five, six songs into it.
656
I was like, oh, we're somewhere else now for a while.
657
Really?
658
Yeah.
659
No, it was great.
660
Did you get to sort of see Bruno do his thing or what?
661
Yeah, you did.
662
Oh, I did.
663
I remember the session and it was like, Obviously I was so nervous.
664
Because here I'm still a fan.
665
Right now I could be like Bruno.
666
Because we're a bit closer, much closer now.
667
But he played like a few parts that he thought like, he's like, what do you think of this?
668
And what do you think of that line?
669
And I was like, wow, I think it's great.
670
And he was like, let's record.
671
And so he like recorded me.
672
And oh my gosh, I was so nervous.
673
I was so nervous.
674
uh because like by
675
that time i'm like i'm usually better than this in my head i'm like i'm better than this i'm just
676
so nervous i'm like failing at this line and he's like
677
and he's vocal coaching me like rosie like throw it out there
678
and i remember like i like choked on i choked on water accidentally before i had to record the bridge
679
and then i was like he's like you have to you have to like shout it like oh dad
680
and he was like singing it and i'm like oh no
681
because i choked on water
682
and i was like by the way i just jerked on water i don't usually sound like
683
that he's got all this on tape no yeah
684
and then he like started like picking up the guitar
685
and like like the bass and like he drums over it
686
and and i was like wow he's a genius he's pretty good
687
but you know what um i've watched bruno mars step into situations
688
and unapologetically and without meaning to just dominate because he's just that good.
689
But I don't get that on APT at all.
690
You know, it's a pure collaboration and, you know, for what it's worth, I mean, it's your song.
691
He asked us to pitch him a few songs and at the time I left, I was like, oh my God, just even sending it, like, I'm like, he's never going to do it.
692
But like, oh, this is so fun.
693
We had to send Bruno Mars three songs and he asked for it.
694
Oh my God.
695
And then we sent three songs.
696
And the first thing I got was he texted, what does APT mean?
697
And I was like, it's a Korean junior.
698
He's like, this is crazy.
699
Like, I'm so excited.
700
And then the rest is history.
701
Like, you know.
702
He's deeply curious.
703
And so that is definitely going to press a button.
704
It's going to pull a lever for him, right?
705
He's going to be like, what is APAT?
706
What does APAT mean?
707
That's crazy.
708
You know, it's fascinating to me that, you know, you're in a situation where you're releasing a debut album
709
and yet a lot of the world knows who you are and recognizes you.
710
And I don't even know how you kind of put into context
711
or if you even consider what the level of social media
712
Following and the data and the numbers does
713
that ever kind of do you even register
714
that like What streams mean to you at this point
715
when they're in the billions
716
and I to be honest at this point I think I
717
learned it through my fans my fans like put it in front of me.
718
I'm like Oh, apparently this is like really a big deal Maybe you should post it like oh,
719
yeah, maybe I'm not like everyday checking these like charts and
720
but then my fans obviously they bring it to me
721
and I'm like always like wow
722
so we're working yeah I mean for sure that's one of the things I love about your fan base
723
and in fact a lot of modern fan bases these days
724
is there's a real sense of like we work with
725
and for the artists right like your successes and but it's important
726
because you want we want you to keep going where do you feel it the most
727
when you're in blackpink when do you where do you feel the success most viscerally
728
when do you realize it's really happening i think
729
when we release a song and a video i think that's
730
when it's like the most like they've been waiting for
731
that moment um yeah every time
732
and i know our fans are always like it's like pink takes
733
so long to come out but you know
734
when we do they like that's when it's visible the most and you feel at the most.
735
I think, you know, one of the things that's most exciting for fans of Blackpink is
736
that the music and the art is super dialed in, but the friendship is entirely believable because it's real.
737
And I think, you know, a lot of times we buy into this group mentality, but we're not quite sure if it's real offstage and if it's real when everyone's not working, but you really do get a sense that the four of you,
738
um, support each other in every way through this thing.
739
How important in your own words has that friendship been toward the success of the band?
740
I think it's been, like more than I even expected I think
741
because you know um usually we're in the same project and
742
so it's very visible but then you notice it more
743
because right now like we're we're all chasing after what we want you know what we really want to do
744
and try out
745
and there's no one better to understand what I'm going through
746
as much as you know the three other members like nobody's going to share the same experience.
747
And so when we do link in between, it's like, it's the best conversations.
748
And that's when you know, you're like, my gosh, I have three sisters that, that, that are like identical to me.
749
I feel like I have three, three other twins basically.
750
And it was, it was a group decision to want to go away
751
and make everyone make their own record and do their own thing.
752
You touched on that before and said, I think the way you, you, you, you, you, you, it was like through all the success, we kind of had the, had the space and the,
753
and the kind of, we took the moment to make that decision together.
754
So you, you obviously kind of came to that conclusion for a reason.
755
And it's really kind of, not a lot of people do that when they're coming off the back of a tour that big of 22 hours, it's like, keep going, keep going.
756
A lot of times it breaks before it stops.
757
Right.
758
And you chose to stop.
759
What was kind of the motivation?
760
Do you think if you could put it through your own, through your own thinking for the group decision to make, to, to, to, to pause there.
761
What do you think really motivated it?
762
Well, I think all four of us are really,
763
really hardworking and we, we had been at it back to back for eight years and even more, like I trained with them before we lived with them for like,
764
like almost eight years.
765
And then, um, four years during trainees, the training era.
766
So, you know, when you're working so hard on that project for so long,
767
there comes There's a time where it's probably smart to now go
768
and explore and be inspired to come back instead of just pushing through it.
769
Just doing it like a formula, doing it like it's maths.
770
It's like we need, we're 27, like I'm 27, like we're in our 20s.
771
We need to now like go restructure, grow and like be inspired so we can be energized to do even better to come back.
772
And you know, what we have is irreplaceable.
773
So we're not going to throw it away.
774
No, it's magic.
775
It is, it's magic.
776
And you know, it's, it's, it reached the world for a reason.
777
Did it give you a chance to kind of reflect?
778
And if so, what did that feel like for the first time to actually take a step back and go, okay, like we have achieved an enormous amount.
779
Cause when you put it like that eight years and before that eight years and then the training, I mean, it's, it's more than half your life.
780
To be honest, like as much as I just wanted to be like, yes, I'm so excited.
781
Like, like I finally have to do everything I wanted, as much as I wanted that it was, I think a lot of, like I mentioned before, vulnerability.
782
like starting to work walk again like on my yeah two
783
feet were you tired were you exhausted at the end of
784
that tour did it feel like you needed to just take a beat yes on
785
that yes and but then it's not like it was like just
786
because i needed a break on that this life is
787
so much easier it's like it's like a whole different challenge oh yeah
788
but i feel like blackpink is just we're all wired we're like we're all great we're all like
789
so curious as well like we're curious beings as to some
790
people might feel like I just want to be comfortable
791
because you know Blackpink we have like a whole setup
792
and you know we're great but we could just keep going like
793
that but I think everyone's curious
794
and we need to feel like these things really like mean like matter to us
795
and we're truthful to every decision we make and everything we do
796
and so in order to do
797
that even though it was challenging to you know take a break for a year
798
and like do everything um we all committed to it and I think Blackpink is Blackpink because of that.
799
All four of us are just really hardworking, curious people.
800
Oh yeah, what you bring back to the table
801
when it's time to come back together after everyone's kind of gone down this road
802
and had this great experience on their own terms, it's going to elevate it so much higher than it already is,
803
just artistically, before you even think about the numbers or whatever the math is.
804
It's going to be crazy.
805
You know, you talk about curiosity, what really fascinates you?
806
Outside of just making music and
807
and things what do you find really fascinating lately it's been like what somebody can really achieve like
808
if they put their mind to manifestation yeah
809
because you can judge a book by its cover
810
and be like hey you know even me i i think
811
a lot of people might have their doubts about how you know how successful something someone can be
812
and from what kind of background they come from But it's interesting to see for myself too.
813
It's like if I put my mind to it, even though I have a lot of moments where I feel like maybe I can't make it, maybe I'm not good enough.
814
I have those moments of doubts.
815
But if I just really push through it and believe it, just keep going at it and master it, work on my craft, just do it.
816
And believe that as long as I believe in what I'm doing, people will believe.
817
Because even right now, I know we haven't really seen how many people liked it or anything, but I'm proud of myself.
818
So the fact that I'm at a point where I'm like, I am proud of myself for finishing this album,
819
it's interesting to see how much somebody can achieve even in a lot of doubt from the world and others. So, yeah.
820
So who knows?
821
Maybe next year I'll be like, I'm going to become a painter.
822
I don't know that's what I'm saying it's like you never
823
know whatever you want you never know whatever you want crazy
824
That's why manifest the manifestation isn't broken down into like a single lane like you only get to manifest this Yeah, you just got to be able to feel it.
825
Yeah, right the end of the day What is um, what's life being like while you be making this record away from the studio?
826
Like what is life like when it's just you do you like just are you comfortable
827
and you're like sitting still you comfortable?
828
Like is there anything resembling kind of just a day-to-day normal life for you at the moment?
829
Oh my God, it's just been work every single day.
830
Stupid question.
831
But I mean, at the end of the day, it's what I love to do.
832
And that's the only thing that makes me feel alive and like a person.
833
So you don't crave something just banal and simple at times
834
that just be able to just switch off and not have to think about work.
835
I do, but my life is right now, it's for the past year, it's been my music and my album.
836
So I've lived in it, like actually.
837
I have been dreaming of like a little vacation after this.
838
Yeah.
839
When was the last time you took a vacation?
840
I don't remember.
841
Oh, seriously.
842
That's why I'm asking.
843
I can't even think you'd like.
844
I don't.
845
Wait, but what is a vacation?
846
No, I'm kind of, I'm kind of tempted to just sit still and just, just move until you come up with an answer.
847
Cause I reckon it could take about three minutes and it might shock everybody.
848
I think like last year.
849
Oh, that's not too bad.
850
Last year.
851
Yeah.
852
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
853
But I have to be lucky.
854
I noticed vacation in my life.
855
I have to be lucky has to be like this time slot
856
that like matches yeah it's not something like I think that's the one thing
857
that people kind of who who get to sort of pick
858
and choose their vacation time a little more liberally
859
and everyone's got to work everyone's got to get by
860
and people work hard
861
and all walks of life every single second of the day right to keep the lights on on this planet
862
but I think one thing that really kind of cuts through
863
which I'm learning is is not how it was initially presented
864
in my conversations with with some of the biggest superstars coming out of Korea is
865
that there's this idea that it's all just so in a grid
866
and it's so framed out and there's no room for life outside of work
867
and it's just work work work work work and
868
but you're presenting a reality that you love to work
869
but it's not like you don't seem to me and even
870
when i spoke to jungkook in korea he was just like
871
i live a life like i have a life you know this idea
872
that it's just work work work all the time i mean
873
what is what is the reality for you as a member
874
of the most one of the most successful you know female
875
group of the modern times what is the reality of the
876
of the of the work versus life balance it's like for me right now
877
because i'm working the album always like breathing and thinking like you know
878
and i have like timelines like deadlines to match at this point this past few months have been like that
879
but then usually it's like it you know for me the
880
past year it's been different to any other year i've had as black think um it'd be it was out here Yeah.
881
I was going to the studio every day at like 12 or two, like between 12 to two.
882
And I'd work on the music till like seven, six, seven.
883
And at that hour, I don't really have too many friends on here.
884
So I would just drive back home.
885
Um, I would eat there.
886
And then I'd drive back home and then I'd fall asleep at like three, four on my terrible Instagram.
887
Just hating yourself to sleep.
888
Yes, hating myself to sleep to prepare for myself for the next day.
889
And it was really back to back of that.
890
So there were even times where I would like, I came out here for 14 days.
891
So I booked the hotel for 14 days.
892
I had a session 14 days straight.
893
You were in it.
894
I would say about like 10th song in, I was like, maybe I do need a weekend.
895
Maybe I do get exhausted.
896
So let's cancel Saturdays and Sundays.
897
And we did.
898
And then I, it was crazy.
899
I like I found myself Saturday at like 7 p.m in
900
a different studio finishing up a song I started the year a few months ago.
901
I get it and listen you know what I hear it
902
and everyone's gonna hear it I mean See I'm trying to say like I worked hard on it
903
and I was exhausted like physically okay Yeah, but it was something like I was craving so bad like I just that's all I could think about like
904
They're like what do you want to do?
905
I'm like I have no idea what I don't even know what to do
906
except for go eat Chinese hot pot
907
and then we did it at like 2 p.m and I was like what do we do now?
908
Done that.
909
Yeah and so I called my producer and worked on I think it was um what song?
910
Too Good For Us, Too Bad For Us.
911
I was like we should finish that song.
912
Yeah like I said it's one of my favorites.
913
Oh really?
914
I love that record yeah.
915
So you love this life?
916
Until it gets, until it's time to put it out into the world
917
and have a little bit of a vacation mentally yeah I
918
need it now like I need some time off I need to be charged again emotionally
919
and physically but I'll be back at it I'm a workaholic
920
so they already be like yes I need to write the next
921
and it's always been like
922
that you thought you've always had this insatiable desire to achieve yeah I think
923
so kind of built like that I feel like that's probably not the best for me
924
but I really feel like that's how I'm built at this point.
925
Yeah, yeah.
926
Will you tour this record?
927
Oh, I would actually at this point love to.
928
I tried to sing at acoustic.
929
I had like a guitarist like kind of learn it all and we did like a little session.
930
I was like, oh.
931
How did that feel?
932
Like, I don't even know how to describe it.
933
It was unreal.
934
Yeah.
935
I was really happy.
936
I can imagine, especially the way that the records sound and how beautiful they sound, well produced and everything else.
937
They're just stripping them back down to the rawest moment given
938
they were written in the roarest time was probably just a really lovely moment for you.
939
It was really rewarding.
940
Yeah.
941
Because I've covered so many songs acoustically.
942
It's just something I love to do.
943
What are your favorite covers?
944
Like private, what do you love to play?
945
Just in your own time, if you've picked guitar, what do you do?
946
There's like a version of PYT that I play on the guitar.
947
Yeah.
948
Oh, I played it for Bruno when I first met him.
949
You did?
950
And I was like, let me impress you.
951
And I'm like, this is probably the only song that I actually know how to play.
952
What did you say?
953
He was like, wow Rosie, you can actually, and I'm like, don't worry, it's just this one that looks cool.
954
It's like one of the songs, you know how everyone has that one song they play and it makes you look really good?
955
You're like secretly, I'm not that good.
956
I just know basic chords.
957
Yeah, PYT is like a song I love to play on the guitar, and officially Missing You is like another cute one that I play, and then makes all the boys go like, wow.
958
Right?
959
Oh my god, you're hilarious.
960
Oh, and I used to say, I used to do price tag a lot, like back in the day when I was a trainee.
961
Which one was price tag again?
962
How's that going?
963
Money, money, money.
964
Jessie J.
965
Jessie J.
966
That was from like, our old friend Jessie J.
967
Yeah, I love her.
968
I used to be obsessed with her.
969
Yeah, dude, because when she came out, Jessie J was like, bad pop person.
970
She was bad.
971
She was like, kicked ass.
972
I know.
973
Yeah, she's cool, Jessie.
974
So like when I was 16, I flew over to Korea and like it's like very basic chords
975
and I'd like play it and like all the girls would sing along.
976
That was your role?
977
Yeah, it was my job.
978
It was my job.
979
Like Rosie, play something.
980
I'd be like, money, money.
981
I think Blackpink even has like a video of it.
982
We have this video of us like singing it somewhere like ages back.
983
I mean, that's actually, that's a, that's a good, that's a good last question, which is like, you know, you've lived your life in a way it's all been documented.
984
That's the crazy thing.
985
It all exists somewhere on the internet, right?
986
The amount of footage and content that you've recorded with, with your friends and, and continue to do on your own terms.
987
Do you ever think about that?
988
Do you ever think about like the stuff that's just out there or do you, is it just kind of, it's just a given just like, look, man, I did it.
989
It's out there.
990
It is what it is that performance.
991
I can't be embarrassed about a performance I did when I was 18.
992
It doesn't really matter to me like is it just out of sight out of mind
993
because it is such a unique experience that's a really interesting question
994
but I think like you said they're more like bookmarks in our life
995
so I'd see like a performance video of myself
996
and be like oh that was when did it happen so I like you said before I have a life
997
outside of it yeah but those are like bookmarks because we work
998
so so much and so often and they're like all these footages
999
but there's like a whole life behind it
1000
so it's like I would actually look at looks
1001
and be like oh my god that's when I was like going through like the worst time of my life.
1002
I'm like, I remember that too.
1003
I had the biggest fight, you know, I'd be like, with the X.
1004
Yeah.
1005
With the X.
1006
Yeah.
1007
I remember then like, I look so good considering how, how broken I was.
1008
This is the thing.
1009
This is the thing.
1010
We're all so scared.
1011
Like I think in, in, in certain, our generation, certainly where I'm from in New Zealand, I don't know how you feel growing up in Australasia, but we, we, like the idea of the internet when I was growing up was like, that's terrifying.
1012
Like when it arrived and I was already kind of in my twenties, I was like, this is terrifying.
1013
Like, I don't want my whole life documented.
1014
But I think it's, if you actually kind of just go through it, it is, there's something kind of cool about just having these bookmarks in your life.
1015
It's all kind of cataloged along the way and you can sort of trace your life.
1016
I know.
1017
Yeah, I agree.
1018
I kind of enjoy that.
1019
Am I weird?
1020
It's like three in the morning while you're going.
1021
Yeah, like, oh, that was when I, I should really stop that.
1022
That you should stop.
1023
Yeah, I really should stop.
1024
Um, you know what?
1025
I've really enjoyed meeting you properly and I've really enjoyed our time talking
1026
and I think this album is going to make a lot
1027
of people really really happy how can it not I mean
1028
it's the most authentic you you could be at this moment in your life you've thrown none of this in
1029
so thank you
1030
so much for taking some time to talk with me at Apple Music I know you're busy
1031
but we really appreciate it Rosie no you're the best thank you guys thank you
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Vocabulary and speaking notes for this lesson
This video has 1031 sentences and 11372 words to shadow. The speech runs for 53:27. The speaker talks fast, about 213 words per minute, so expect linked and reduced sounds. 86% of the words are among the 3,000 most common in English; the rest is worth studying before you start.
Key vocabulary in this video
15 words from the video worth learning, with pronunciation and meaning:
| Word | Pronunciation | Meaning |
|---|---|---|
| emotion noun | /ɪˈməʊ.ʃən/ | A person's internal state of being and involuntary physiological response to an object or a situation, based on or tied to physical state and sensory data. |
| guitar noun | /ɡɪˈtɑɹ/ | A stringed musical instrument, of European origin, usually with a fretted fingerboard and six strings, played with the fingers or a plectrum (guitar pick). |
| anxiety noun | /æŋˈzaɪ.əti/ | An unpleasant state of mental uneasiness, nervousness, apprehension and obsession or concern about some uncertain event. |
| vacation noun | /veɪˈkeɪ.ʃən/ | An extended trip or journey away from home for rest or pleasure. |
| grateful adjective | /ˈɡɹeɪtf(ə)l/ | Of a person or their actions, feelings, etc.: expressing gratitude or appreciation; appreciative, thankful. |
| curious adjective | /ˈkjʊɹ.i.əs/ | Tending to ask questions, or to want to explore or investigate; inquisitive; (with a negative connotation) nosy, prying. |
| toxic adjective | /ˈtɒk.sɪk/ | Having a chemical nature that is harmful to health or lethal if consumed or otherwise entering into the body in sufficient quantities. |
| mar verb | /mɑɹ/ | To spoil; to ruin; to scathe; to damage. |
| gosh | /ɡɑːʃ/ | A mild expression of surprise or enthusiasm. |
| demo noun | /ˈdɛm.oʊ/ | A demonstration or visual explanation. |
| chord noun | /kɔɹd/ | A harmonic set of three or more notes that is heard as if sounding simultaneously. |
| shock noun | /ʃɔk/ | A sudden, heavy impact. |
| chase verb | /t͡ʃeɪs/ | To follow at speed. |
| producer noun | /pɹəˈdjuːsə/ | An individual or organization that creates goods and services. |
| arrive verb | /əˈɹaɪv/ | To reach; to get to a certain place. |
Phrasal verbs you will hear
| Word | Pronunciation | Meaning |
|---|---|---|
| go through verb | To travel from one end of something to the other. | |
| push through verb | To force (legislation or a plan) to be passed or agreed to or a decision to be reached. | |
| end up verb | To bring to a conclusion. | |
| come out verb | /ˌkʌm ˈaʊt/ | To be discovered; to be revealed. |
| come back verb | To return to a place. | |
| come off verb | To become detached. | |
| figure out verb | To come to understand; to discover or find a solution; to deduce. | |
| come up with verb | To manage to produce, deliver, or present (something) by inventing, creating, thinking of, or obtaining it. |
Grammar in this video
The structures the speaker uses most, with the exact words from the video:
| Structure | In the video |
|---|---|
| “Used to” used to + verb — a past habit or state that is no longer true | used to talk · used to spend · used to say |
| Present perfect continuous have/has been + -ing — an action that started earlier and is still going on | I've been waiting · they've been waiting · have been dreaming |
| Present perfect have/has + past participle — a past action that still matters now | You've made · have invited · I've ever experienced |
| Passive voice be + past participle — the focus is on what happens, not who does it | would be considered · was shocked · be inspired |
Pronunciation to watch
The speaker uses 370 contractions and reduced forms, such as I'm, don't, you're. Say them the short way, as you hear them.
- The “th” sounds: smooth /smuːð/, worthy /ˈwɝ.ði/, breathe /bɹiːð/, seventh /ˈsɛvənθ/, gather /ˈɡæðɚ/
- The “sh” and “zh” sounds: emotion /ɪˈməʊ.ʃən/, vacation /veɪˈkeɪ.ʃən/, gosh /ɡɑːʃ/, shock /ʃɔk/, emotionally /ɪˈməʊʃənəli/
- Long words — get the stress right: anxiety /æŋˈzaɪ.əti/, emotionally /ɪˈməʊʃənəli/, collaborative /kəˈlæb.ə.ɹə.tɪv/, vulnerability /ˌvʌln(ə)ɹəˈbɪlɪti/, sensational /sɛnˈseɪʃənəl/
How to practise with this video
- Listen to the whole video once without speaking and note the words you do not know.
- Start at 0.75× speed, shadow it sentence by sentence, then go back to normal speed once it feels easy.
- Record yourself and compare with the original, paying attention to words like emotion, guitar, anxiety.
What is the Shadowing Technique?
Shadowing is a science-backed language learning technique originally developed for professional interpreter training and popularized by polyglot Dr. Alexander Arguelles. The method is simple but powerful: you listen to native English audio and immediately repeat it out loud — like a shadow following the speaker with just a 1–2 second delay. Unlike passive listening or grammar drills, shadowing forces your brain and mouth muscles to simultaneously process and reproduce real speech patterns. Research shows it significantly improves pronunciation accuracy, intonation, rhythm, connected speech, listening comprehension, and speaking fluency — making it one of the most effective methods for IELTS Speaking preparation and real-world English communication.