Shadowing Practice: Olivia Rodrigo & Chappell Roan: “expectations”, Music Video & Daisy Chains | Zane Lowe Interview - Learn English Speaking with Video

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it's lovely to see you both

and especially at the same time i feel like uh really privileged to be able to chat to you both

because we've seen you on stage like what is it 24 25 times

you've shared a stage together i mean this is a real friendship true friendship here i guess that's true yeah

we are nothing

if not factual here at apple we love to do the data

we have the data at hand we have to get some statistics

i love it uh we'll talk about the video we'll talk

about the song we'll talk about all of it um

but let's just go back to the friendship and

and how you met i don't think i've ever asked either of you

that because i've never had a reason to

but now you're both here uh who can remember how you actually first met

i remember meeting you in the studio you were working yeah on i think sour yeah yeah

and it's been a long time coming i remember the first time

i was i remember the first time i'm exactly where i was

when i heard pig pony club the first time too

and i was like damn that song's amazing and the bit of

so long ago i mean i we've mentioned that for

so many years it's just uh it's just you know

it's awesome to have such a such a long lovely friendship same yeah

it's been really special to to see it come together on tour

and to see it be very real obviously

and also for you two

i'd imagine um for both of you to have ascended at

such a at such a quick pace through the quality of your music

and the hard work you've in

but to have each other at times i'm sure just to be able to

if nothing else just have something to laugh to laugh about it with do you know what i mean

or at least just put it in perspective with olivia you know i think that it's

so important to have friends who are in this position it's such a rare position to be in

and like to find people who can be grounded on that is very rare but i feel like

having olivia as a friend has been so grounding for me

and like to be able to do like art with her is

so cool i mean opening for her was so amazing

but like to have a song with her is just very cool circle

and feels wholesome and real well yeah it feels very not not even in a it's

so natural to me i agree i know i i feel

so lucky to have chapel in my life

i mean over the course the years we've known each other i think she's helped me

so much i think this is an insane industry to navigate

and like such a such a weird way to grow up

and so i think having her as as a resource

and like a support system and confidant has been um insanely helpful

so yeah and then we have some together

so it's like cherry on top as a fan of both of yours you know of your music

but also the way

that you both move um you know you stand on your business you know and i've spoken to you, Chappell, about that.

Olivia, I've spoken to you about that.

You know, I and millions of us have the highest respect for both of you.

And if you encourage each other and support each other to do that, then fucking hell yeah.

Hell yeah to that friendship.

Let's talk about expectations.

Let's talk about the song, which we all love in its original form.

So fun, Olivia, to be able to reimagine it, bring Chappell into it, do something, get two sides to it,

get two different stories and in two different takes, which obviously informs the video.

So, you know, the light bulb moment, when did you realize that you wanted to re -version the song and bring your friend into it?

When I wrote

Expectations initially, it was kind of like as a challenge to myself.

I wanted to write a mantra song.

I felt like lots of my songs were like, this is how I feel, blah, blah, blah.

But I wanted to be like, I want to sing this song every night.

And it's like, you know, it's like Kendrick Lamar, like, sit down, be humble.

It's like, it gets in your brain, you know what I mean?

Like, I feel like it's a mantra up.

And so when I made the song, honestly, I was really inspired by kind of Chapel and like the attitude and swagger that she had.

And so I think I probably played it for you while we were like in the middle of making the record too.

And it always like felt sort of inspired by you and your songwriting style.

So yeah, I was so stoked when she agreed to be on it.

It was a dream come true.

Chapel, how was it to contribute to that

and also to add new lyrics

and bring your own perspective man with the ghosting i can't believe we're back to getting ghosted chapel in this

well obviously i love um making things a little gay so oh it was fun to just be like

girl vibes um but this is obviously like my first feature i've ever

want this before so i it feels like the perfect perfect to me um

and it's i don't know i feel okay represent a generation of songwriters that like are just really thinking about their lyrics

And like, I felt like

with this song I was like wow it's so cool

that she is putting a pretty difficult concept within like a pop song

which is like my favorite pop songs ever

but um I was like it felt so natural to settle in

because I was like this is

so real like damn all my expectations of people it's

so valid um but i just for the the burst about being set up

and stuff i mean i was made up

but that's much more like a fantasy like i just want everybody to know nobody ghosted me

i want the facts out there who would dare ghost who would get you would dare

when i was dating boy is is when i got ghosted

but yeah i have like a vivid memory of being in this studio with you chapel

and like we're trying to write the second verse

and i was just like i was telling you all of like the crazy stuff

that boys have done to me

and you're like oh my god like you need to start dating girls

this is crazy it's wild it's wild out here it's just

it's just like cool to have like a queerness like i don't know i don't know

if everyone would be down to have like a fully queered verse on air

so like i think that

that is like says a lot about your support bar like she's a koreanist

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but also beside girl park far but it's like

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that just makes me it feels very feminist to me but

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that is like so real you know olivia what you're doing

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if i can just take a second

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and say what you're doing in every step of how you're moving is

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so inspiring like i i just like what you did with the festival

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and i pointed this out to somebody the other day

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they were like it's a lot of money i was like yes it's a lot of money

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but but you're missing the actual number the number is a hundred percent not millions of dollars it's the percentage

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that is the headline here um you know a lot of money

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but it's but a percentage of an even bigger amount of money is a great statement, but 100 % is a powerful, really meaningful statement.

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And even, and I was saying, like, even down to, and Chapel, I know because you played it, you respect this and love this,

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no clashes on the stages, really just simple, really effective thinking from a people point of view and an experiential point of view.

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And I haven't had a chance to talk to you about this because all this was happening after our conversation,

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but man, you know, you come up a lot in how people should move these days.

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You really do.

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So I wanted to say

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that oh thank you i mean it was one of the most meaningful experiences of my whole life and um

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i'm not even just saying this because she's on the call

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but having um chapel be there

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and perform as you said for zero profits 100 percent of the profits going to charity was just um

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it was really heartening

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and it really made me feel really proud to be part of this artistic creative community

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that like cares about the world and cares about their audience

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and um yeah i uh i uh i'm really excited to keep going i'm like planning next years right now

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and um yeah it's just it's just very meaningful to me yeah well

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it's it's meaningful to everybody else as well that's really what i just want to make sure you understand

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that it really is resonating with the artistic community with fans like people really respect

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it um i started this conversation by by watching i was watching the video

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that was my it was my version of a reaction video i'm not very good at

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that stuff but um it's an amazing watch

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and i mean we've got to talk about some of the cameos in here as well.

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The most talked about cameo, of course, the biggest cameo in this video is Dan Nigro.

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No, I'm joking.

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Although it kind of is Dan Nigro.

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It is kind of Dan Nigro because he should be in the studio.

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But the fact you got him out on the camera is pretty amazing.

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But we're going to start with David Byrne because obviously we have to start with the icon on the go.

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Someone else you've shared a stage with.

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And I feel who's inspired both of you in your own ways

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i mean this is somebody who is just art first so

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so cool to see him listening i'm having a good time

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and showing that side that we all know he has how was it working with him in the vid

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it was

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so cool honestly i was in shock the whole time

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i i kind of i asked him to do a cameo

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and i was a little bit sheepish obviously

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because you know it's i always feel shy asking people for favors

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but he was so down he showed up the entire day he had a he had a character

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that he had built down he like made this johnny johnson character there's

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so many outtakes we have of him just like improv

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and riffing and he was so into it

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and i was like gosh david he maybe you know

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he should be an actor too one of these days he's very multi -talented in a way don't

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you think he kind of is like if i think about stop making sense

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that movie you know he is

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so walking the line between the reality of the music

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and the inspiration of what he's trying to say

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but also this character and this whole artistic space he exudes it's pure art it's but

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but never from a sort of I never feel on the

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outside of him like I don't fit in like I feel

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like I still can be a fan of his He does it so brilliantly where it never feels like it's a costume.

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It just sort of feels like an extension of him and kind of more of an absurd way.

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But I love him so much and I love

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Stop Making Sense so much.

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And he's also just such a wonderful guy.

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I've gotten a chance to like hang out with him and talk to him.

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And he's just absolutely brilliant and very kind.

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Speaking of extensions, and this is where I step out on the edge of a cliff and have to tread very carefully,

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but I have good friends of mine who would know these sort of things that, Chapel, you may have dug into the wig factory,

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into your prized wig cabinet for this particular video.

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Is that true? is that true yes yeah i mean the line

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that my friend sitting on the floor here said to me was another impeccable wig from chapel

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i know i've been very into wigs and this video um

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let me explore that path you know for you who's who's obviously you know doing the show

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at the festival and you've been around in a really beautiful way

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and you know you're showing up for the right things like you did the other night um

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but you haven't been really active fair to say you're not on yet

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and so going back on a video set and

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and even with your friend

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and being part of something fun how did it feel changing gears and being chapel ron in that regard again because

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it's it's so clearly you in

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that space you've got your superhero outfit on you know oh yeah for sure um

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i felt i was like oh the pop song is like i felt really good

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i mean i just love dressing up and like coffee and singing

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but um i have been very much off

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this last year like i haven't released a song since like the subway last year

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so um it felt i was surprised how easily i just well

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it settled into pop -down mode i was like oh yeah i'm gonna be in glint for five hours

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and that's normal and i will be fine like like i i was fully you know

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but it just was just appreciative

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that like i get to i get to do this like and so i just make songs that are about

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like we just get to bounce around on stage in hot little alchemy

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and sing about love flying but it's like our vibe and i just like it just makes me so

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it needs to be excited to get back into it

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which like yeah you know we're we're getting

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but it's like this was a good little fresh refresher to be like yes i actually am good at this

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and i can do this don't forget

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that i'm sorry i feel like daisy chain was your first performance right in like a year

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or something like that like a real i did lately

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and lala stopped in there i produce here but yeah

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and i'm also like doing the super epic um stuck up there right so like

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we've got to keep the lights on olivia do you know what i mean

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i can take all the time off if i want

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but we've got a little lollapalooza here

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and a little lollapalooza there just keeps just keeps things turning

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you know i just i just i remember watching you at daisy chain

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and being like i can't she's not on tour right now

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because this is most buttoned up incredible set i've ever seen

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it looks like you just like yeah you've been doing this for months

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and i was i was just really impressed i think the space

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that you took to go in and figure out what you want to say next

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and not just keep it moving i think whether you mentor

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or not is a very inspiring decision um for artists that

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that will others will come

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and be in the situation

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you're in where it's really fast like you olivia like you chapel

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they will we're seeing them now i mean there are people going through

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that and i think they have to know

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that no is available right it is available no is your best friend

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and smiling no is the best friend

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and that's why like saying yes expectations always like yes let's get

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it right like it feels fun this wasn't staring yeah like for me

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and like i feel like people are gonna like it

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and safe because the friendship too not for me to say

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but you know the fact you can go out on set

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and be with your buddy and it can be fun

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and it's not just the chapel ron show is not i don't think it'll be lost on anybody either

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that the support continues even through the most fun of experiences

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you know wow it was nice to take a step back

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and be like yes this is following the video like peace of hell

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i wouldn't be here you get to go home exactly exactly you're the aunt

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or the uncle in this situation where you get to give the baby back to olivia

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and be like i'm out of here have a good time have a good time with this with this uh

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this train you're on you know olivia

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you seem really well boston on the 15th the tour looks like a total triumph

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i can't wait to see it um chapel we're not we're not here yet for you

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but we are when you are back

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and you know whenever you're ready we're ready um

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but that's that's the limit of it and uh this is a beautiful way um

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you know to create something

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that we're gonna have forever now this song the two of you this friendship on record

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so once again olivia perfection and uh chapel is

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so good to see you what a real treat

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this has been i really enjoyed it the last 15 minutes thanks you two

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oh thanks zane love you see you later love you guys take care bye guys

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Vocabulary and speaking notes for this lesson

This speaking lesson is built on the video “Olivia Rodrigo & Chappell Roan: “expectations”, Music Video & Daisy Chains”. This video has 245 sentences and 3044 words to shadow. The speech runs for 15:18. The speaker talks fast, about 199 words per minute, so expect linked and reduced sounds. 85% of the words are among the 3,000 most common in English; the rest is worth studying before you start.

Key vocabulary in this video

15 words from the video worth learning, with pronunciation and meaning:

Word	Pronunciation	Meaning
chapel noun	/ˈt͡ʃæp.əl/	A place of worship, smaller than or subordinate to a church.
friendship noun	/ˈfɹɛn(d)ʃɪp/	The condition of being friends.
ghost noun	/ɡoʊst/	A disembodied soul; a soul or spirit of a deceased person; a spirit appearing after death.
inspire verb	/ɪnˈspaɪə(ɹ)/	To infuse into the mind; to communicate to the spirit; to convey, as by a divine or supernatural influence; to disclose preternaturally; to produce in, as by…
meaningful adjective	/ˈmiː.nɪŋ.fl̩/	Having meaning, significant.
expectation noun	/ˌɛk.spɛkˈteɪ.ʃən/	The act or state of expecting or looking forward to an event as about to happen.
artistic adjective	/ɑɹˈtɪs.tɪk/	Having or revealing creative skill.
percentage noun	/pə(ɹ)ˈsɛntɪd͡ʒ/	The amount, number or rate of something, regarded as part of a total of 100; a part of a whole.
extension noun	/ɪkˈstɛnʃən/	The act of extending; a stretching out; enlargement in length, breadth, or time; an increase.
settle verb	/ˈsɛtəl/	To determine (something which was exposed to doubt or question); to resolve conclusively; to set or fix (a time, an order of succession, etc).
lyrics noun	/ˈlɪɹ.ɪks/	The words to a song (or other vocal music).
dare verb	/dɛ(ə)ɹ/	To have enough courage (to do something).
verse noun	/ˈvɝs/	A poetic form with regular meter and a fixed rhyme scheme.
vibe noun	/vaɪb/	An atmosphere or aura felt to belong to a person, place or thing.
daisy noun	/ˈdeɪ.zi/	A wild flowering plant of species Bellis perennis of the family Asteraceae, with a yellow head and white petals

Phrasal verbs you will hear

Word	Meaning
build down verb	In solitaire card games, to place a card over another card of higher value (e.g. 4♦ over 5♣).
come up verb	To emerge or become known, especially unexpectedly.
dress up verb	To put on special or fancy clothes.
figure out verb	To come to understand; to discover or find a solution; to deduce.
go back on verb	To be treacherous or faithless to; to betray.
go back to verb	To stem from; to originate in.
go through verb	To travel from one end of something to the other.
grow up verb	To mature and become an adult.

Sentences worth repeating

Short, complete lines from the video that you can reuse in everyday conversation:

Olivia, I've spoken to you about that.
It's like, it gets in your brain, you know what I mean?
Someone else you've shared a stage with.

Grammar in this video

The structures the speaker uses most, with the exact words from the video:

Structure	In the video
Present perfect have/has + past participle — a past action that still matters now	we've seen · you've shared · i've ever asked
Passive voice be + past participle — the focus is on what happens, not who does it	can be grounded · was really inspired · being set
Relative clauses who / which + clause — extra information about a person or thing	friends who are · people who can · somebody who is

Pronunciation to watch

The speaker uses 78 contractions and reduced forms, such as I'm, you're, we're. Say them the short way, as you hear them.

The “sh” and “zh” sounds: friendship /ˈfɹɛn(d)ʃɪp/, expectation /ˌɛk.spɛkˈteɪ.ʃən/, extension /ɪkˈstɛnʃən/, shock /ʃɔk/, inspiration /ˌɪn.spɪˈɹeɪ.ʃən/
Long words — get the stress right: expectation /ˌɛk.spɛkˈteɪ.ʃən/, inspiration /ˌɪn.spɪˈɹeɪ.ʃən/, superhero /ˈs(j)upɚhɪɹoʊ/, lollapalooza /ˌlɑləpəˈluzə/, appreciative /əˈpɹi.ʃətɪv/

How to practise with this video

Listen to the whole video once without speaking and note the words you do not know.
Start at 0.75× speed, shadow it sentence by sentence, then go back to normal speed once it feels easy.
Record yourself and compare with the original, paying attention to words like chapel, friendship, ghost.

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Vocabulary and speaking notes for this lesson

Key vocabulary in this video

Phrasal verbs you will hear

Sentences worth repeating

Grammar in this video

Pronunciation to watch

How to practise with this video

What is the Shadowing Technique?