Shadowing Practice: JENNIE: The Ruby Interview with Zane Lowe - Learn English Speaking with Video
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Muses coming out.
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How do you feel about that?
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Excited, you know, mostly excited.
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And it's been a little crazy with the last little push for the album.
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But every day I'm just like reminding myself this is the moment that I've been waiting for.
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So like enjoy it as much as I can.
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Taking it all the way to the very end, because we kept getting versions of music, obviously super under lock and key.
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And everyone was very clear, not final.
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Not final.
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And it's like three days ago, another version, not final.
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I'm like, Jenny's pushing this to the very end.
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This is fire.
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She's literally in the studio till four in the morning, like it's not done.
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Literally?
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Literally.
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So how do you feel now it is?
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Was it hard to let it go?
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Was it hard to say, okay, it has to go, it has to be finished at some point?
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I think that was the biggest lesson
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that I might have learned off of this album is
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that knowing how to stop and kind of limiting myself some time to accomplish something
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and I'm not used to that kind of environment so definitely.
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Must have been really nice actually to start a process
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and do some real diligence some real work into what you want to say
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and who you want to say it with and success
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and pace are great but it must have been really nice to start this and just know you had some time?
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Because I'm also so used to just going and after just keep going.
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Like you said, when I first started working on the album, I was like, wow, I have a whole year.
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Like, you know, I have all the time.
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And then once I got in the studio for the first time, that's when I was like, oh my God, I'm already running out of time.
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And this is like a year before this.
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I'm so glad you said that because I was thinking this album covers
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so much of who you are for the first time it says
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so much about who you are from the fight to the
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fragility from the beginning right to the very end you must have got in there
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and just being like how do i make sense of all of this i was first of all very shocked and
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i didn't realize i didn't realize how much i've been distanced from myself throughout the years
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So I really got to.. the greatest part of this solo project for me was
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that I had time with myself and I never had time for myself
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which was great so you know I really got to dig deep inside of
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who I am and what I am and you know all the self-reflecting times
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and that's how the album that's that's how the album was
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made by really just understanding me better it's real work
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that oh so much and the most difficult like it was nothing was easy
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so many new emotions that i got to learn and throughout
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that it it needed so much energy and i i didn't realize
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that to me it was mostly like what kind of words
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do i want to put in what kind of sound do
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I want I didn't realize walking into the studio was more
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about what knowing what I want what I really want all
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of it as well yeah not just like working with someone who gets you on the day
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and it's like oh we've got a good vibe here this
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is a cool track it's like no no no no every
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step on this record has to tell another part of your story
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and you're right I think
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when people sound working really hard work is a distraction from self-work
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so it's like who am I actually harder work in a
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lot of ways no definitely we don't get a song like twin without
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that and we're gonna get to that oh my god it's a real one
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and I think you know a lot of people will respond to the honesty on
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that but we got to start somewhere else
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and um the album's called Ruby and it's it's one part of a longer name
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that became a part of your identity if the story is correct
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when you were young
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and you're trying to figure out who you were tell us the story behind behind
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that you're in New Zealand at the time where this is even earlier than
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that this is when I wasn't living in New Zealand
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and back then I guess I I guess in the back of my mind
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when I was like 11 knew
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that I want to create this identity for myself like Jenny wasn't doing justice for me
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and I was like I want a longer name
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so that's how it was created what I didn't realize over
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time was I almost manifested this throughout my years like I
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knew who I wanted to be at very young age on
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and then it was just a matter of what's gonna make you realize
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so that's also one of the reasons why I landed
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and I picked the name Ruby for this album but there's just
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so much inspiration behind that too it's not really only about me representing myself
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but um to me it felt like a new chapter opening
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and i wanted to i really spent my time referencing many different things about the album
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and that's when the play of as you like it by shakespeare came in
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Instantly when I saw the title As You Like It, it just spoke to me so much in a way.
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I was like, wow, I don't know what I like, you know, on the same subject as before.
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So I told myself, I'm going to make this album as I like it.
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I don't care what anyone else is going to say about it.
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So that's where it began.
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And since I started.
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I got to drop one on that.
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Now that's profound.
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That's a huge moment.
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That's a huge moment for you because you're immediately, from what you're telling me, it feels like divorcing yourself,
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removing any previous expectations or successes and putting it really squarely in a very simple phrase.
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Does it move me?
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I want to talk about the manifestation side of it a little bit more.
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How old were you when you moved to New Zealand?
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I was nine.
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On your own?
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I was nine on my own.
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So I recently found out that my mom spent two months with me in the beginning of my trip.
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Wow, and you didn't remember that.
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No. She reminded you of that.
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What I how I remembered it was I went to New Zealand.
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I was crying for two days and then I suddenly
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Stopped crying on the third day
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and enjoyed my life there since then ever since then that's how I I remember it and my mom told me, no, no, no, I was with you for the first two months.
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And then the two days were when she left back to Korea.
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Wow.
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Isn't it crazy how we compartmentalize these things and remember them?
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It's a survival mechanism.
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I know.
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I was very shocked when I heard this.
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It's a wild story because, and we're going to play catch up very quickly, but this is the first time we've met.
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And the story is just so interesting to me
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that you would make the decision ultimately
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when given the opportunity to live in New Zealand on your own in order to learn a new language, understand things better.
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Is this all part of the same manifestation?
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Was this part of the plan looking back on it now
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that you maybe didn't even realize that you felt you needed these building blocks?
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Which also tells me how much my mom has been such a big supporter of mine.
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She, you know, from a young age, we traveled a lot.
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And when I was nine, we were traveling around Australia and New Zealand.
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And just the fact that she wanted me to have an open eye for the world,
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not just in Korea, is also very rare in a Korean culture.
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So hard as well for any parent in any culture to say goodbye to their children at that age.
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It's such an important age for the bonding of parent and children to say, I understand you have a desire to be elsewhere, to learn something new.
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You know, every day I'm so grateful
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that I had my mom with me the whole time
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and maybe the fact that she named me Jenny in Korean is a very also rare thing for a Korean name.
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It's a rare Korean name.
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So I'm almost like, wait, was my mom a part of this minification with me the whole entire time?
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And I don't know.
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Being unique is awesome as you grow older and your identity becomes your own.
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And you're like, hey, I'm Jenny.
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That's rare.
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My story is rare.
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There's all these rare things about everybody.
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but when you're a kid and you're trying to sort of find your place in society
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and in life those things can sometimes feel about isolating was it hard knowing what you wanted out of life
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while your friends and your peers were just being kids maybe maybe towards the end
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and maybe that's why I knew that's
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when I needed to go back to Korea was because I knew
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that my life my my school life New Zealand isn't what I want in my life at
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that point when I was 14
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so I think I knew the limits pretty pretty early and
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and yeah so I got to make my decision you know you obviously have an incredible inner strength
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and and there's also a side of you
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which is there's a sensitivity to the way that your fans
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and people see you right it's like this really interesting paradox between strength
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and vulnerability I feel makes up your music it's really evident here is
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that just do you recognize that is but is that is
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that a good sort of observation in terms of your personality
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that there's this fierce side to you
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but also the side of you that's kind of sensitive I think that's one of the things
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that was a struggle for me last year was understanding
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that balance of vulnerability and and the braveness
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that I have I kind of now wanted to really give time
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and understand what triggers me that way and what makes me feel both things
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and and learning about um vulnerability is is i think the closer you understand
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that emotion the braver you become because now you know
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so there's nothing to be afraid of and when you listen back to this album
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do those emotions rise to the surface still because this album means
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so much to you that we will never truly understand
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because the journey you've been on i don't know like it's it's interesting because now
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that i'm almost at the end of my album it's not
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finished yet what are you doing i'm crazy not final not final
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you're killing us out here i don't know i mean the the fact
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that that i still see something that i hear something.
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I am pretty amazed at myself, but that's how dedicated I am.
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That's how sincere I am.
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I like to believe I live with no regrets and I live my life to the fullest,
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even when it comes to any other things in life.
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I just want to feel that way once when it's March 7th.
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You're an adventurer.
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You can't be nine years old and travel on your own to New Zealand
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and figure out your way in a foreign country
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and try to understand who you are
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and who you want to be unless you have a desire for adventure right you've seen
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so much and experienced so much already what was it like not traveling
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and just I mean I'm sure you travel in the process
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of making the record it's different kind of travel was it
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how did it feel to stop well surprisingly I'd still managed to be traveling
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but I did spend a lot of time out here in LA for the first time in my life
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and I really got to experience the city
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and the people out here you know i'm i'm learning like it it it started it off amazingly
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and then the more i spend time i'm just being more attached
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and there are things that i like and don't like now
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so i think it i can surely say now i have
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like ellie is a space in my heart a home kind of vibe what was the first song
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that you feel began to unlock the identity of this album and really made you realize, you know, all this work I've done up to this point is gonna matter.
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It's zen.
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Huge.
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One of my favorites, hands down.
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Thank you.
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I love that.
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Thank you.
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I was surprised you, it was a Lucy.
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I was like, that's a smasher.
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And you were like, no, here's the video.
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Moving on.
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Moving on, I was like, well, this album is gonna be serious because that's a killer.
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I love that track and I love the intensity you've built around that concept.
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You haven't leaned into what it looks like on paper.
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You've created your own version of almost like fight zen.
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Mm-hmm.
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Wow, with Zen there is so much to talk about, but when Zen came along, that's when I knew, oh,
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my album is Ruby and it's happening.
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And that was maybe like six months into spending time at the studio every day.
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Oh my God, that's really, that's tough.
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After six months wondering like, when am I going to get an answer?
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Mm-hmm.
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Every month just got more harder as time went by.
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I felt more anxious.
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I felt like something was coming, chasing after me when this is something that I started.
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So I started, you know, I lost myself in my head and then I met this amazing writer called Bebe.
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She played a very big role for my album.
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She really opened up to me and I learned to open myself up to her.
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We just had a great time and that's when Zen came along
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and after many conversations that I had with her about our true motivation, our inspirations and just life,
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we clicked pretty quickly and then with the message and the words in Zen was done in such a delicate way,
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was made in such a delicate way, but to be expressing it in such a loud,
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fierce way, I think that kind of represents who I am.
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Yeah, there it is, the fight and the fragility again.
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It's that paradox, right?
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It's that paradox of those two things.
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I know that you are a committed, curiously spiritual human.
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I know you're searching for holistic ways to stay balanced all the time.
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and I want to talk a little bit about
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that side of your life because it seems to me
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that not just physical health which is a part of training
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and working out and staying fit for the stage
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and doing those things but you understand the importance of inner health as well
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when did that sort of start to become a priority for you I think it's something
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that I've always been curious about and something
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that was on my mind telling myself like you need to learn about this
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But I just never had the time and there wasn't people around me who understand that world of our inner mental health.
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And I think that's maybe what it was kind of not dragging me, but frustrating myself throughout some years.
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And during pandemic and over COVID is when I was forced to be at home and learn about myself a little bit.
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And as soon as that space opened, the first thing I wanted to understand and know about this life was Why do I feel this way?
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What is this negative feeling?
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Where is it coming from?
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And then from there, you know So big
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that that's the biggest one ever when you get that feeling
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and you you're not quite sure The first thing
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that you have to ask yourself at least in my experience is what is that feeling?
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And where is it coming from in my life?
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I can pinpoint the moment where I think I can connect that, I have a better understanding of what's driving it.
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So that was the moment that I remember distinctly when I started learning about it.
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And then from then on, it was a whole new world opened up.
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And that's why I'm here feeling strong and confident and healthy is because of those times.
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Yeah, where are you getting your information from?
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Not just listening to yourself, but are there books that you've been reading?
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Are there podcasts?
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I mean that's a lifelong pursuit trying to better understand through
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the teachers how we can live with more balance I think back then I didn't even realize
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that I needed a anyone to Teach me or give me information on it.
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I was still at my wondering face
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So the more I started talking to people about it
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and making friends that understand when I say you know I'm struggling I'm not sick
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but I'm struggling inside how do I fix it like the
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more I got to meet more people around the world
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and make friends that's when I that's
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when also I realized you know I grew up in New Zealand I went to school there
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so there's still a side of me where
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you know I'm just a kid in New Zealand
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and I'm from a multicultural background
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and you know I grew up with the black pink girls I'm
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so used to being inspired by different cultural people
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and I think I started to be once I started understanding I became less shy of a person
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when I talk to people and things like that, just meeting people over the years, meeting the right people was what helped me a lot throughout.
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Did you feel like you had to be the leader when Blackpink began?
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Not because you were given that job or because you even wanted that job, but just because of the life you'd already lived, having lived away on your own,
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learned to deal with things on your own up to a certain point.
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Did you feel protective of the band? like there was a role
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that you just fell into up to these days blackpink don't have like an official leader
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which is um not common for a k-pop group is i
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think also back then there was a side of me where i thought i know this
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so well i know what to do
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and i know i know how to do it let me do it yeah like let me i got this
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but yeah i like i was there's a side of me
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that tells me that all the time and back at the training days
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but um i don't think that necessarily made me think like
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for everyone like i need to lead but just
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because i was going um on a clear path it was
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easier for the rest of the girls to kind of see maybe where where she's taking
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and and luckily they liked it But yeah, when it came to like roles, I think the four of us complement each other so well It's incredible.
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That is very much at the heart of the success.
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Look songs come and go Mm-hmm shows come and go relationships
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and chemistry is what people believe in the human experience It's
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clear the four of you have each other's back It's hard
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for me not to hear a song like start a war
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and think that that's part of it Like I think the inspiration behind that song is really about
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reminding the person of someone that you want to protect
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and could be anyone it could be your friend your family your love it could be anything
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that you want to protect for but it the lyrics of
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that song speaks to me so much
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because every time in different situation you think of different people
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that you want to protect
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and it makes you feel more full inside this is such
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a great opportunity to talk about this body of work you know this is a real sort of this is
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that this is your personal manifesto of everything you've learned up to this point.
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And that's been a lot.
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You've learned an enormous amount already.
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What was the one thing that you learned about yourself
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during the making of this record that was the most valuable to you in the long term in your life?
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Understanding my value and believing in that is,
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for me, that was the biggest learning because now I'm not afraid to challenge myself because I know,
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well, this is like what I tell myself.
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This is my mantra, like, you know, the things to tell myself that I love myself,
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that I'm worth it, that I'm so proud of myself and things like that is something that I've never experienced before.
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And that's my motivation my biggest motivation is accomplishing what I dream of.
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And, you know, that's the most fun part.
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So I want to say, yeah, understanding my value was the biggest lesson.
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Perfect.
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So what was driving you before you came to that conclusion?
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Are you any closer to understanding what was motivating you, even from a young age, to want to reach people and make people happy?
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But ultimately, you knew the work that it was going to take and the trade.
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What was driving you?
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I should ask myself, what was it before?
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But over time, the more I realize about myself
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and the motive that I have with music
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and who I am as an artist and how I want to change the world in my own way,
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things like that I guess was in deep side of my heart
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that I couldn't hear but I think that was my motivation
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and having done that having done
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that now for some time having seen the success you can have by making people happy what's
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that feeling like for people who don't get to go on stages
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and see the reaction that people have when you're up there and the bigger the merrier first First of all,
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like once you're up there feeling everyone's energy just focusing on you.
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I think that's just a blessing to have felt that like you said.
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But I didn't realize the meaning of I'm influencing them to be happier.
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And this positive energy, I didn't realize the impact of it, how heavy that was.
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and that's also what I figured it out was wow I want to do something with this
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and now that I understand the impact
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that I can bring let me work on it
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and use it for good use for my heart I'm not sitting here telling I'm going to change the world
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but to have the right motives for it I think is important
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and to make your mother proud mm-hmm yeah can we talk
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about Starlight yes yes well you're you're you're picking all the songs
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that I love so much well I mean the whole album is you smashed it
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but yeah these are these there are some moments in this record
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that really stuck with me mm-hmm you know Starlight being one
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of those oh you were clearly dealing with some heavy stuff to get out of your system on
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that right and and starlight really the black mystery it's it's the story behind it
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you know
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when uh this song was also with bb we talked about
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the heavy things we talked about struggles over the years
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but not just me we we had we had this bond of
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sharing each other sharing each other's experiences and being influenced by it so So yeah,
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I shared a little bit about the years and what I did and she instantly knew like you're here.
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First of all, she's like my motivator in life.
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Anything she says, I'm just like, wow, I agree with you and you're giving me power to be a stronger of myself.
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And she gave you a safe space to talk about some of those experiences.
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And there's a part in this song where I'm saying, but...
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Something about remember the night now I remember the night yes
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that part is it's me telling myself never to remember this
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self of myself you know I'm like let's remember the night
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that we wrote this song and all the all the great ideas
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that came to us and the inspiration that came to us
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that day like this is what makes us special It's a lonely song though.
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I mean, there's resolution at the end, a sense of like self-awareness and learning.
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Overcoming that, I think.
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Yes, overcoming a sense of loneliness.
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And it really made me feel that.
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You really captured that sense of like, and everybody feels this, but that sense of isolation and not knowing what to do with that.
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And there have been moments like that, even through all the success, where we don't know what's happening in the moments in between the black mystery.
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Mm-hmm.
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I think the song speaks it all for me.
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How has Seoul changed since you came home?
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Because you've been part of such an enormous transformation on the world stage in terms of how people perceive career and Seoul,
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you and your contemporaries, some friends, I'm sure, who have gone ahead and done amazing things.
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But how have you seen it changed as someone who was born there?
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It changed really quickly by the way.
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It changed as soon as Blackpink debuted and from then on.
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It's like my hometown in a way where I feel the most safe and comfortable,
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but also very strange.
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You know, it's...
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I don't know how much I want to get into.
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I'm like so deep in my head and I'm like thinking, wait, there's a mic in front of me.
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I'm not talking to a friend.
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You made me feel so comfortable.
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That's kind of what I was hoping for.
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You feel so comfortable.
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But equally, I respect the fact that you're creating boundaries for yourself and you don't have to cross anything.
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Yeah, I was just like going through over the boundaries in my head.
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I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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You know, when I was there, and I loved soul.
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It had a profound effect on me, soul.
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Oh, wow, did it?
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It really did.
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Yeah, yeah.
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From the minute I touched down and drove into the city to leaving and flying out and looking at it, I remember, you know, I called my wife.
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I was like, wow, we got to come here one day because it's an incredible place.
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Oh, wow.
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But one of the things I noticed was that, you know, you and your contemporaries are everywhere.
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And people can say that up and down sunset all they want, but they change that all the time.
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I feel like there's something with you on a digital billboard at all times in that city.
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Is that kind of what was going through your head just now, the balance between home and that?
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Yeah, there's like nothing to hate about it it's like you said
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if you have the right balance between and since i have my family
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and my friends there
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that makes me feel less of the person on the billboard
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um it's it's then it's good there is nothing to hate about it
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if if anything i'll be driving by and feeling really proud
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so yeah i'd like to talk about the writing you're producing on this record of
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which you contributed an enormous amount this isn't one of those albums where you work with people
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and let them figure it out you know your fingerprints are
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all over this um what did you learn about yourself as a composer
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and as a producer on this record
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because it has a very specific sonic through line
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that obviously is you there is still so so much
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that i need to learn
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and spend time on like really it was the first year of me in the studio
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so much looking at tracks and hearing different sounds and
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exploring different vocals so up to up to now i'm like
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so what is it that you like and i still can't explain it
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because i'm always in the studio being like you know i
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want to make this a little bit more uh yeah how
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do you communicate what is it like what is it it's the weirdest
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so the people that I can work with have to kind of understand this language of my body language of music.
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And also the different words that we use in the music world, Korean and English, is so different.
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So I'm like, can we make the sound a little bit, you know, like the sound when you tune into the radio?
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It's the worst.
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It's actually the most, I don't want to share.
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Is it the most embarrassing part of the experience for you?
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It really is.
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I'm like, I know what it is.
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I can hear it in my head.
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I'm learning how to speak that.
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Yeah.
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And what's the appropriate reaction to that moment if you're a collaborator with you?
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Is it to be like, I do not understand, be more clear, or is it to crack up laughing?
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Which one do you prefer?
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I prefer the laughing people.
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Yeah, right.
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Because once they don't get it, then it's just silence.
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I'm like, you know.
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You know, my Uber's outside and I'll just, you know what, the session's been fun and everything.
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I'll call you.
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Don't call me.
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I'll call you.
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FTS, that s*, flip that script.
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What was going through your mind when you wrote that one?
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Because it's one of the most direct songs on the record.
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One of my favorite songs, obviously.
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That was a day where, because we were doing back-to-back every day in the session.
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So every day was just making different songs.
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And that day I remember we, it was Carly and Bebe and I talking about
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late at night talking about how much work
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that we've put into our for our dreams
450
and more you secure your heart of your purity it's gonna
451
your dreams are gonna eventually come true you just got to believe in it
452
so we were like talking about this deep life things
453
that we've learned over years
454
and at the end we were just like you know what yeah like that's what happened you know what just
455
that let's yeah that's and that became a song we wrote
456
that really fast too how much fun was it to sing
457
that the first time you did the demo vocal so good
458
and I still have fun every single time I love the chanting background vocal
459
that I have left in the song where we're that
460
because that's the truth of
461
that song we were literally talking for hours to come up with
462
that topic and we just started singing for and made the song like
463
that so i hope you take this the right way in
464
which it's intended
465
and trust me it's coming from a very pure place of being a fan of blackpink
466
and a fan of this record
467
and you know i spoke to to to rosé as well
468
and we had a great conversation about
469
that it must be great to get to a point in
470
your life where to a certain degree the expectations of what is appropriate or inappropriate
471
because you're trying to build an audience build things form a relationship with people i guess my point is
472
that may not have jumped out the gate during the early
473
days of blackpink oh no definitely for sure this song is uh evidence of growth
474
and and time and for that for me and trust and trust yeah and trust and Art Italia,
475
the chance for you to establish some independence.
476
That is in a weird way, right?
477
Your framework, that backs you up.
478
Mm-hmm, instantly.
479
And I'm surprised that all of these things,
480
the changes in my life happened in just one year of last year.
481
But maybe I tell myself, maybe this was the right timing.
482
Like it was the right time to start a new chapter for myself
483
and build and really try to build the things that I want from deep down in my heart.
484
You know, Rosé's done it too.
485
I mean, we talked about her album and what a huge growth that was for her to say the things.
486
I mean, that's a heartbreaking record.
487
She went through some sh.
488
She did and I was live.
489
I heard everything live so you know I know how sincere she was about every work that she has made.
490
I'm so proud of everyone and I'm so happy for everyone I feel so grateful to be in a group with
491
having this family of yours that are going to the same path I guess
492
with a stop on the way where you can come together
493
and take what you've learned and I mean that next Blackpink tour is gonna be getting crazy.
494
I mean, you're gonna get to step into each of your individual spaces and support each other through that.
495
I can't even imagine which ones.
496
I mean, I'm sure you're gonna do Zen because you love that.
497
I'm thinking on it.
498
Right?
499
You gotta be thinking on it.
500
Yeah, I haven't decided.
501
I mean, twins gotta be up there too.
502
Oh, but that's literally how I feel every time I hear.
503
Because I've never talked with anyone about this deeply about my album You are the first person
504
if anything so I'm having this new reaction to myself twin is powerful
505
because that's and this is where that the analysis ends But I love the thoughts and the feelings beyond it, but I'll make the statement.
506
It's about someone for sure Like you ain't writing that song cherry-picking emotions like that's a that's a letter Wow you
507
saw right through me.
508
Yeah, well it's all in the music.
509
It's too personal.
510
It's Ashanti on the Beach.
511
That's a memory.
512
That's a memory, yeah.
513
That song is a very, very special song for me.
514
Maybe the most personal song.
515
But by the time we were done with the song, I read it back and to me I was like, okay, people can resonate to this.
516
There's got to be someone that makes everyone feel this way.
517
Absolutely.
518
We all have unresolved relationships and things we yearn.
519
Straight up, you're being honest with me, I'll be honest with you.
520
I saw someone on Thursday night at a dinner.
521
I was out with some friends.
522
He was just sitting there with his partner and I was so happy to see him.
523
We hadn't spoken.
524
There was an oddness between us for a few years.
525
It was emotional.
526
We both got emotional.
527
I didn't waste any time.
528
I just pulled it all away and just hugged him.
529
I was just like, I miss you.
530
That song is that.
531
Yeah, you said it in the perfect way that's how I felt with the song.
532
Has it helped you pluck the courage to be able to take the right steps?
533
No, 100%.
534
I think being after being truthful on that song made me,
535
gave me a conclusion, gave me a clearer thought on how I felt of that relationship and it says it all.
536
There you go, i'm writing my letter to you i don't know
537
if you're doing snl this season or what the plan is but
538
that's a real one like you're an incredible performer jenny everybody knows
539
that and as a member of the band
540
or on your own you know you you own the screen
541
and you own the stage it's
542
so amazing i'd imagine for you to be able to play that live
543
and just do the opposite i'm excited you brought some friends
544
along i love how you chose your collaborators really carefully you've You've got old friends in there, Dominic Fike.
545
I feel like you guys had the best Coachella weekend ever that weekend.
546
I feel like, I kept seeing, because I know Dom, I kept seeing Dom and you guys in different parts, and it was like you were just part of the 100,000 people.
547
It wasn't even like you were performing.
548
I was like, is anyone watching these guys?
549
They're just literally running around this festival having the greatest time
550
what do you love I mean I've spent time with Dom I went to Naples
551
and spent time with his family we hung out for the whole day it was pretty incredible
552
so I've had some deep conversations with him let's talk about
553
your relationship with him what you connect on with him
554
and what you see in him unfortunately the featuring it wasn't in person
555
because that's what I would have preferred yeah your friends right
556
you know him he's he's tell me dom is like a free free spirit guy
557
and every time we talk i have the best time i laugh yeah it's funny it's really funny he's truthful
558
and you know the music part is everything about it was very organic um i was just happy
559
that he he wanted to jump on and
560
when we were texting he told me how much he appreciated the fact
561
that I wanted him on my album
562
and I was like what are you talking about I feel the same
563
so yeah throughout this song I think I've become a great friend of him now
564
that maybe for a future in the future we could really be in a studio working together
565
and learning about each other but I feel like
566
that kind of is a motivating factor for you like
567
when you showed up on the matt champion song we were
568
just like this is such a touch like matt's awesome brockhampton's a great legacy
569
but on paper no one's expecting matt champion jenny collaboration it's
570
obviously in talk let's talk about this like what motivates you
571
to say yes i don't see a reason to say no
572
is closer to how i can put it matt matt
573
and i I started working together on music like four or five years, four years ago.
574
I'm really bad with time, by the way.
575
By the way, isn't it amazing how hanging out with me and your New Zealand accent's coming back quite strong now? Is it?
576
A little bit.
577
Oh my God.
578
Yeah, four years ago.
579
I should only be talking to you.
580
Works for me.
581
Works for me.
582
You know, I'm so sad about how I lost my accent.
583
It's coming back, I'm telling you.
584
Yes.
585
They're gonna really appreciate you at passport control next time you hold.
586
They'll be like, I told you Jenny, she'd be back.
587
She'd be back, she didn't forget.
588
Yeah, you and Matt from four years ago.
589
Oh yeah, so we...
590
I was clueless back then.
591
I didn't know what working together with a different artist in a studio meant, what it was.
592
And we just hung out in the studios for days and we came up with so many songs.
593
And some of them that I'm like holding on to because I want to put it out one day.
594
He so he he called the dips in slow motion.
595
There's a song that I like that we did together What's that one called?
596
Can you tell us?
597
Oh, yeah, it's called Navy blue.
598
Yeah, it's a very sweet song that I like so you know,
599
we we made we made the song years back and He wanted to put it out.
600
I was like finally, you know, let's go Let's put the amazing work that we we did together out into the world.
601
Yeah.
602
Yeah.
603
Yeah.
604
Amazing Dochi.
605
Someone I'm sure that you can identify with not just from terms of as a fan but also the amount of work.
606
Dochi puts in the work.
607
When she shows up, it's like the performances, she takes pride in that.
608
And that is why having her on my album means everything.
609
It's, it's, I don't just love her music.
610
She really inspires me as a human being, you know, she's empowering and she's such a,
611
she's so pure and hard with her, her craft.
612
And I admire that about her.
613
Yeah.
614
And also for you to have someone around you that is doing what you and your friends have been doing.
615
that whole thing about like black pink or bts that sense
616
and by the way generationally new edition you know um the supremes
617
that sense of like we're here to do our best work our best creative work
618
but but everyone's like oh man you know so much effort put into
619
that and they focus on the effort but it's like no
620
but focus on the result like it's so much better
621
so before we shot the video together for extra L it was the week after the Grammys
622
and I've just watched her performance and I saw the amazing greatness
623
that she created
624
and you have no idea how nervous I was for the
625
next one week of our before I shoot I'm like oh
626
my god I want I want to give her the same amount of energy yeah
627
when we shoot together so yeah that was
628
that i i like just remember
629
that week of me being oh my god like straw struck
630
and like i was getting butterflies before i met her for
631
that shoot but she's so chill though right no we had the best time it was actually
632
so fun i didn't realize how well we would blend together
633
like as a performer there was no we didn't even have
634
to tell each other anything like the director would give us information on what we have to do
635
and we would just be like okay what have you learned have been not just part of a group
636
but but moving in lots of different spaces and collaborating with people
637
and and wanting to perform at a high level
638
and use your abilities and your skills and your gifts
639
but also know
640
that it's got to be it's got to be a collaboration it's got to be chem
641
that chemistry has to be right what's crucial to
642
that for you how do you perform well with other people and not just at your own level?
643
I think that comes from being in my group for the past 10 years and also over the years in New Zealand.
644
I've learned to collect information on people.
645
Obviously, growing up by myself at school, I needed a way to protect myself.
646
And I think it was by collecting the information around me so I don't do anything that's gonna kill the vibe.
647
Wow, so just observing the room and figuring out how to adapt at all times in order to just survive, really.
648
Really.
649
And then on, I was in the trainee system for six years.
650
That's survival right there.
651
And that's also what I learned.
652
And over the years of being Blackpink with the girls has taught me how to understand different people,
653
understand that everyone is different, and that's fine.
654
And you just got to learn about them or anything, and then just make it yours and embrace it
655
and learn how to deal with it on your own way
656
and that's got to be the core thought inside of me that helps me a better collaborator with other artists.
657
When you think about the young people who are going through a similar training experience now
658
that you went through 10 years ago, and I'm sure the system is better, and I'm sure, I hope it's better,
659
and I hope people are figuring out how to understand the experience in a more layered way.
660
It's not just like put in the hours, show up.
661
Do you feel that like what you're doing, what your friends are doing, what Rose is doing, what Lisa is doing, Jisoo is doing, by coming out,
662
making your own music, coming back together, that this is an important growth for the K-pop industry, that you're showing people that there isn't an end.
663
That it's not like, hey, Blackpink's done its thing, next.
664
No, hang on, this is a lifelong career.
665
Does it feel that way?
666
Do you have that in your mind?
667
I think that responsibility is definitely there inside of me and all of us.
668
It's not just the next comeback of music for us.
669
We really believe that we are making a cultural move with what we're doing
670
and we want to leave a great mark for the history in the best way possible.
671
So it was important for all of us to really understand
672
that responsibility, I think that
673
because it's there's a lot it's it's a lot to be separated
674
and then come back as a group and to even agree on something like
675
that is i don't know if people understand
676
but is a very big decision to make um for all grown up women you know
677
but yeah we we pull through and
678
and i'm excited for what's next for blackpink too does your stomach churn a little bit in a good way
679
when you think about coming back and moving into that machine?
680
I have faith in me to do it better this time.
681
Interesting.
682
What do you think you'd like to improve doing this time?
683
How would you like to do better this time?
684
I think I really want to be present with it.
685
Less worrying, less concerned.
686
What's more fun than being on a stage as Blackpink?
687
let me enjoy this.
688
Really just being more present about everything that's going to go on is probably what's going to be different from before.
689
So glad to hear that.
690
Fans around the world are going to just love that.
691
I think that will resonate more than, you know, from a Black Pink point of view and a few times we've touched on that, that will really resonate with fans.
692
Before you say goodbye, a chance to sort of communicate a little bit about
693
that relationship and how do you maintain a healthy relationship with your fans?
694
Because Blackpink fans love Blackpink.
695
Jenny fans love you.
696
And yet you also know who you are away from that.
697
You talk about that on the record.
698
There are songs about that.
699
To be honest, I think it's still, I treat it really sensitively when it comes to my relationship with our fans.
700
And as much as the changes are going on with the group, I think the fans are also,
701
they might also feel confused and not lost,
702
but lost in the way maybe.
703
But I think over throughout showing everyone's music and our solo careers.
704
And then when we show when we're back as Blackpink, I think that hopefully will build that,
705
rebuild that relationship that everyone might feel confused about.
706
Because as long as the four of us love each other, I think there is no reason for anyone to see us separately.
707
But maybe in the way we might have, that might, I do think that that might have confused the fans.
708
so yeah it's it's a very
709
that it's a I treat this relationship very delicately well you know all the world's a stage men
710
and women are merely players yes so play on player you're right that's yep
711
that let me be the player hey it's been really fun hanging out with you I knew this was going be fun.
712
I knew too.
713
You have no idea.
714
I was, I wanted to have this talk and just meet you, you know, and have this talk about this album especially with you
715
because I've been a fan of your interviews for such a long time.
716
It's been my honor to come and talk to you.
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Vocabulary and speaking notes for this lesson
This video has 716 sentences and 8178 words to shadow. The speech runs for 48:20. The speaker talks at a natural 169 words per minute, close to everyday conversation. 87% of the words are among the 3,000 most common in English, so the vocabulary is easy to follow.
Key vocabulary in this video
15 less common words from the video, with pronunciation and meaning:
- jenny /ˈd͡ʒɛni/ (noun) — A device for spinning thread from fiber onto multiple spindles (also called spinning jenny).
- motivation /ˈmoʊ.tə.veɪ.ʃən/ (noun) — Willingness of action especially in behavior.
- emotion /ɪˈməʊ.ʃən/ (noun) — A person's internal state of being and involuntary physiological response to an object or a situation, based on or tied to physical state and sensory data.
- confused /kənˈfjuːzd/ (adjective) — unable to think clearly or understand
- inspiration /ˌɪn.spɪˈɹeɪ.ʃən/ (noun) — The drawing of air into the lungs, accomplished in mammals by elevation of the chest walls and flattening of the diaphragm, as part of the act of breathing.
- remind /ɹəˈmaɪnd/ (verb) — To cause one to experience a memory (of someone or something); to bring to the notice or consideration (of a person).
- twin /twɪn/ (noun) — Either of two people (or, less commonly, animals) who shared the same uterus at the same time; one who was born at the same birth as a sibling.
- enormous /ɪˈnɔː.məs/ (adjective) — Extremely large; greatly exceeding the common size, extent, etc.
- instantly /ˈɪnstəntli/ (adverb) — At once; without delay.
- vocal /ˈvoʊ̯.kəl/ (adjective) — Of, pertaining to, or resembling the human voice or speech.
- vibe /vaɪb/ (noun) — An atmosphere or aura felt to belong to a person, place or thing.
- vulnerability /ˌvʌln(ə)ɹəˈbɪlɪti/ (noun) — The state of being vulnerable; susceptibility to attack or injury, either physical or emotional; the state or condition of being weak or poorly defended.
- paradox /ˈpæ.ɹəˌdɒks/ (noun) — An apparently self-contradictory statement, which can only be true if it is false, and vice versa.
- lesson /ˈlɛs.ən/ (noun) — A section of learning or teaching into which a wider learning content is divided.
- shock /ʃɔk/ (noun) — A sudden, heavy impact.
Phrasal verbs you will hear
- talk about (verb) — Used to draw attention to the speaker's characterization of someone or something.
- come back (verb) — To return to a place.
- go through (verb) — To travel from one end of something to the other.
- come from (verb) — To have as one's origin, birthplace or nationality.
- figure out (verb) — To come to understand; to discover or find a solution; to deduce.
- deal with (verb) — To handle verbally or in some form of artistic expression; to address or discuss as a subject.
- talked about (adjective) — Discussed by many people.
- come along (verb) — To accompany.
Pronunciation to watch
The speaker uses 208 contractions and reduced forms, such as I'm, you're, don't. Say them the short way, as you hear them.
- The “sh” and “zh” sounds: motivation /ˈmoʊ.tə.veɪ.ʃən/, emotion /ɪˈməʊ.ʃən/, inspiration /ˌɪn.spɪˈɹeɪ.ʃən/, shock /ʃɔk/, conclusion /kənˈkluːʒən/
- Long words — get the stress right: motivation /ˈmoʊ.tə.veɪ.ʃən/, inspiration /ˌɪn.spɪˈɹeɪ.ʃən/, vulnerability /ˌvʌln(ə)ɹəˈbɪlɪti/, collaboration /kəˌlæbəˈɹeɪʃən/, communicate /kəˈmjuːnɪkeɪt/
How to practise with this video
- Listen to the whole video once without speaking and note the words you do not know.
- Start at 0.75× speed, shadow it sentence by sentence, then go back to normal speed once it feels easy.
- Record yourself and compare with the original, paying attention to words like jenny, motivation, emotion.
Grammar in this video
The structures the speaker uses most, with the exact words from the video:
| Structure | In the video |
|---|---|
| Present perfect continuous have/has been + -ing — an action that started earlier and is still going on | I've been waiting · you've been reading · have been doing |
| “Used to” used to + verb — a past habit or state that is no longer true | used to that · used to just going · used to being |
| Present perfect have/has + past participle — a past action that still matters now | i've been distanced · we've met · has been |
| Passive voice be + past participle — the focus is on what happens, not who does it | be finished · i've been distanced · was created |
What is the Shadowing Technique?
Shadowing is a science-backed language learning technique originally developed for professional interpreter training and popularized by polyglot Dr. Alexander Arguelles. The method is simple but powerful: you listen to native English audio and immediately repeat it out loud — like a shadow following the speaker with just a 1–2 second delay. Unlike passive listening or grammar drills, shadowing forces your brain and mouth muscles to simultaneously process and reproduce real speech patterns. Research shows it significantly improves pronunciation accuracy, intonation, rhythm, connected speech, listening comprehension, and speaking fluency — making it one of the most effective methods for IELTS Speaking preparation and real-world English communication.