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it's lovely to see you both
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and especially at the same time i feel like uh really privileged to be able to chat to you both
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because we've seen you on stage like what is it 24 25 times
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you've shared a stage together i mean this is a real friendship true friendship here i guess that's true yeah
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we are nothing
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if not factual here at apple we love to do the data
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we have the data at hand we have to get some statistics
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i love it uh we'll talk about the video we'll talk
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about the song we'll talk about all of it um
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but let's just go back to the friendship and
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and how you met i don't think i've ever asked either of you
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that because i've never had a reason to
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but now you're both here uh who can remember how you actually first met
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i remember meeting you in the studio you were working yeah on i think sour yeah yeah
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and it's been a long time coming i remember the first time
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i was i remember the first time i'm exactly where i was
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when i heard pig pony club the first time too
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and i was like damn that song's amazing and the bit of
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so long ago i mean i we've mentioned that for
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so many years it's just uh it's just you know
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it's awesome to have such a such a long lovely friendship same yeah
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it's been really special to to see it come together on tour
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and to see it be very real obviously
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and also for you two
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i'd imagine um for both of you to have ascended at
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such a at such a quick pace through the quality of your music
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and the hard work you've in
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but to have each other at times i'm sure just to be able to
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if nothing else just have something to laugh to laugh about it with do you know what i mean
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or at least just put it in perspective with olivia you know i think that it's
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so important to have friends who are in this position it's such a rare position to be in
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and like to find people who can be grounded on that is very rare but i feel like
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having olivia as a friend has been so grounding for me
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and like to be able to do like art with her is
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so cool i mean opening for her was so amazing
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but like to have a song with her is just very cool circle
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and feels wholesome and real well yeah it feels very not not even in a it's
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so natural to me i agree i know i i feel
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so lucky to have chapel in my life
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i mean over the course the years we've known each other i think she's helped me
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so much i think this is an insane industry to navigate
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and like such a such a weird way to grow up
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and so i think having her as as a resource
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and like a support system and confidant has been um insanely helpful
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so yeah and then we have some together
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so it's like cherry on top as a fan of both of yours you know of your music
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but also the way
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that you both move um you know you stand on your business you know and i've spoken to you, Chappell, about that.
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Olivia, I've spoken to you about that.
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You know, I and millions of us have the highest respect for both of you.
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And if you encourage each other and support each other to do that, then fucking hell yeah.
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Hell yeah to that friendship.
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Let's talk about expectations.
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Let's talk about the song, which we all love in its original form.
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So fun, Olivia, to be able to reimagine it, bring Chappell into it, do something, get two sides to it,
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get two different stories and in two different takes, which obviously informs the video.
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So, you know, the light bulb moment, when did you realize that you wanted to re -version the song and bring your friend into it?
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When I wrote
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Expectations initially, it was kind of like as a challenge to myself.
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I wanted to write a mantra song.
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I felt like lots of my songs were like, this is how I feel, blah, blah, blah.
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But I wanted to be like, I want to sing this song every night.
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And it's like, you know, it's like Kendrick Lamar, like, sit down, be humble.
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It's like, it gets in your brain, you know what I mean?
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Like, I feel like it's a mantra up.
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And so when I made the song, honestly, I was really inspired by kind of Chapel and like the attitude and swagger that she had.
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And so I think I probably played it for you while we were like in the middle of making the record too.
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And it always like felt sort of inspired by you and your songwriting style.
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So yeah, I was so stoked when she agreed to be on it.
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It was a dream come true.
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Chapel, how was it to contribute to that
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and also to add new lyrics
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and bring your own perspective man with the ghosting i can't believe we're back to getting ghosted chapel in this
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well obviously i love um making things a little gay so oh it was fun to just be like
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girl vibes um but this is obviously like my first feature i've ever
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want this before so i it feels like the perfect perfect to me um
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and it's i don't know i feel okay represent a generation of songwriters that like are just really thinking about their lyrics
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And like, I felt like
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with this song I was like wow it's so cool
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that she is putting a pretty difficult concept within like a pop song
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which is like my favorite pop songs ever
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but um I was like it felt so natural to settle in
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because I was like this is
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so real like damn all my expectations of people it's
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so valid um but i just for the the burst about being set up
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and stuff i mean i was made up
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but that's much more like a fantasy like i just want everybody to know nobody ghosted me
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i want the facts out there who would dare ghost who would get you would dare
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when i was dating boy is is when i got ghosted
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but yeah i have like a vivid memory of being in this studio with you chapel
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and like we're trying to write the second verse
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and i was just like i was telling you all of like the crazy stuff
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that boys have done to me
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and you're like oh my god like you need to start dating girls
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this is crazy it's wild it's wild out here it's just
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it's just like cool to have like a queerness like i don't know i don't know
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if everyone would be down to have like a fully queered verse on air
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so like i think that
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that is like says a lot about your support bar like she's a koreanist
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but also beside girl park far but it's like
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that just makes me it feels very feminist to me but
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that is like so real you know olivia what you're doing
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if i can just take a second
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and say what you're doing in every step of how you're moving is
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so inspiring like i i just like what you did with the festival
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and i pointed this out to somebody the other day
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they were like it's a lot of money i was like yes it's a lot of money
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but but you're missing the actual number the number is a hundred percent not millions of dollars it's the percentage
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that is the headline here um you know a lot of money
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but it's but a percentage of an even bigger amount of money is a great statement, but 100 % is a powerful, really meaningful statement.
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And even, and I was saying, like, even down to, and Chapel, I know because you played it, you respect this and love this,
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no clashes on the stages, really just simple, really effective thinking from a people point of view and an experiential point of view.
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And I haven't had a chance to talk to you about this because all this was happening after our conversation,
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but man, you know, you come up a lot in how people should move these days.
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You really do.
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So I wanted to say
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that oh thank you i mean it was one of the most meaningful experiences of my whole life and um
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i'm not even just saying this because she's on the call
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but having um chapel be there
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and perform as you said for zero profits 100 percent of the profits going to charity was just um
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it was really heartening
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and it really made me feel really proud to be part of this artistic creative community
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that like cares about the world and cares about their audience
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and um yeah i uh i uh i'm really excited to keep going i'm like planning next years right now
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and um yeah it's just it's just very meaningful to me yeah well
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it's it's meaningful to everybody else as well that's really what i just want to make sure you understand
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that it really is resonating with the artistic community with fans like people really respect
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it um i started this conversation by by watching i was watching the video
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that was my it was my version of a reaction video i'm not very good at
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that stuff but um it's an amazing watch
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and i mean we've got to talk about some of the cameos in here as well.
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The most talked about cameo, of course, the biggest cameo in this video is Dan Nigro.
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No, I'm joking.
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Although it kind of is Dan Nigro.
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It is kind of Dan Nigro because he should be in the studio.
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But the fact you got him out on the camera is pretty amazing.
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But we're going to start with David Byrne because obviously we have to start with the icon on the go.
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Someone else you've shared a stage with.
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And I feel who's inspired both of you in your own ways
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i mean this is somebody who is just art first so
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so cool to see him listening i'm having a good time
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and showing that side that we all know he has how was it working with him in the vid
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it was
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so cool honestly i was in shock the whole time
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i i kind of i asked him to do a cameo
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and i was a little bit sheepish obviously
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because you know it's i always feel shy asking people for favors
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but he was so down he showed up the entire day he had a he had a character
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that he had built down he like made this johnny johnson character there's
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so many outtakes we have of him just like improv
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and riffing and he was so into it
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and i was like gosh david he maybe you know
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he should be an actor too one of these days he's very multi -talented in a way don't
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you think he kind of is like if i think about stop making sense
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that movie you know he is
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so walking the line between the reality of the music
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and the inspiration of what he's trying to say
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but also this character and this whole artistic space he exudes it's pure art it's but
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but never from a sort of I never feel on the
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outside of him like I don't fit in like I feel
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like I still can be a fan of his He does it so brilliantly where it never feels like it's a costume.
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It just sort of feels like an extension of him and kind of more of an absurd way.
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But I love him so much and I love
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Stop Making Sense so much.
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And he's also just such a wonderful guy.
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I've gotten a chance to like hang out with him and talk to him.
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And he's just absolutely brilliant and very kind.
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Speaking of extensions, and this is where I step out on the edge of a cliff and have to tread very carefully,
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but I have good friends of mine who would know these sort of things that, Chapel, you may have dug into the wig factory,
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into your prized wig cabinet for this particular video.
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Is that true? is that true yes yeah i mean the line
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that my friend sitting on the floor here said to me was another impeccable wig from chapel
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i know i've been very into wigs and this video um
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let me explore that path you know for you who's who's obviously you know doing the show
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at the festival and you've been around in a really beautiful way
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and you know you're showing up for the right things like you did the other night um
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but you haven't been really active fair to say you're not on yet
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and so going back on a video set and
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and even with your friend
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and being part of something fun how did it feel changing gears and being chapel ron in that regard again because
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it's it's so clearly you in
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that space you've got your superhero outfit on you know oh yeah for sure um
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i felt i was like oh the pop song is like i felt really good
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i mean i just love dressing up and like coffee and singing
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but um i have been very much off
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this last year like i haven't released a song since like the subway last year
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so um it felt i was surprised how easily i just well
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it settled into pop -down mode i was like oh yeah i'm gonna be in glint for five hours
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and that's normal and i will be fine like like i i was fully you know
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but it just was just appreciative
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that like i get to i get to do this like and so i just make songs that are about
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like we just get to bounce around on stage in hot little alchemy
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and sing about love flying but it's like our vibe and i just like it just makes me so
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it needs to be excited to get back into it
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which like yeah you know we're we're getting
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but it's like this was a good little fresh refresher to be like yes i actually am good at this
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and i can do this don't forget
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that i'm sorry i feel like daisy chain was your first performance right in like a year
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or something like that like a real i did lately
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and lala stopped in there i produce here but yeah
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and i'm also like doing the super epic um stuck up there right so like
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we've got to keep the lights on olivia do you know what i mean
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i can take all the time off if i want
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but we've got a little lollapalooza here
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and a little lollapalooza there just keeps just keeps things turning
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you know i just i just i remember watching you at daisy chain
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and being like i can't she's not on tour right now
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because this is most buttoned up incredible set i've ever seen
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it looks like you just like yeah you've been doing this for months
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and i was i was just really impressed i think the space
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that you took to go in and figure out what you want to say next
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and not just keep it moving i think whether you mentor
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or not is a very inspiring decision um for artists that
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that will others will come
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and be in the situation
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you're in where it's really fast like you olivia like you chapel
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they will we're seeing them now i mean there are people going through
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that and i think they have to know
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that no is available right it is available no is your best friend
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and smiling no is the best friend
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and that's why like saying yes expectations always like yes let's get
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it right like it feels fun this wasn't staring yeah like for me
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and like i feel like people are gonna like it
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and safe because the friendship too not for me to say
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but you know the fact you can go out on set
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and be with your buddy and it can be fun
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and it's not just the chapel ron show is not i don't think it'll be lost on anybody either
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that the support continues even through the most fun of experiences
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you know wow it was nice to take a step back
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and be like yes this is following the video like peace of hell
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i wouldn't be here you get to go home exactly exactly you're the aunt
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or the uncle in this situation where you get to give the baby back to olivia
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and be like i'm out of here have a good time have a good time with this with this uh
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this train you're on you know olivia
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you seem really well boston on the 15th the tour looks like a total triumph
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i can't wait to see it um chapel we're not we're not here yet for you
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but we are when you are back
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and you know whenever you're ready we're ready um
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but that's that's the limit of it and uh this is a beautiful way um
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you know to create something
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that we're gonna have forever now this song the two of you this friendship on record
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so once again olivia perfection and uh chapel is
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so good to see you what a real treat
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this has been i really enjoyed it the last 15 minutes thanks you two
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oh thanks zane love you see you later love you guys take care bye guys
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Vocabolario e note di pronuncia per questa lezione
Questa lezione di conversazione si basa sul video “Olivia Rodrigo & Chappell Roan: “expectations”, Music Video & Daisy Chains”. Questo video contiene 245 frasi e 3044 parole da ripetere con lo shadowing. Il parlato dura 15:18. Chi parla va veloce, circa 199 parole al minuto: aspettati suoni legati e ridotti. Il 85% delle parole rientra nelle 3.000 più comuni dell’inglese; conviene studiare le altre prima di iniziare.
Vocaboli chiave di questo video
15 parole del video che vale la pena imparare, con pronuncia e significato:
| Parola | Pronuncia | Significato |
|---|---|---|
| chapel sostantivo | /ˈt͡ʃæp.əl/ | cappella, chiesetta |
| friendship sostantivo | /ˈfɹɛn(d)ʃɪp/ | amicizia |
| ghost sostantivo | /ɡoʊst/ | fantasma, spettro |
| inspire verbo | /ɪnˈspaɪə(ɹ)/ | ispirare |
| meaningful aggettivo | /ˈmiː.nɪŋ.fl̩/ | significativo, sensato |
| expectation sostantivo | /ˌɛk.spɛkˈteɪ.ʃən/ | attesa |
| artistic aggettivo | /ɑɹˈtɪs.tɪk/ | artistico |
| percentage sostantivo | /pə(ɹ)ˈsɛntɪd͡ʒ/ | percentuale |
| extension sostantivo | /ɪkˈstɛnʃən/ | proroga, estemsione |
| settle verbo | /ˈsɛtəl/ | risolvere |
| lyrics sostantivo | /ˈlɪɹ.ɪks/ | testo, parole |
| dare verbo | /dɛ(ə)ɹ/ | osare, azzardarsi a |
| verse sostantivo | /ˈvɝs/ | verso |
| vibe sostantivo | /vaɪb/ | atmosfera |
| daisy sostantivo | /ˈdeɪ.zi/ | pratolina, margheritina |
I phrasal verb che sentirai
| Parola | Pronuncia | Significato |
|---|---|---|
| come up verbo | venire fuori, emergere | |
| figure out verbo | scoprire, rendersi conto | |
| go through verbo | attraversare | |
| grow up verbo | crescere | |
| make up verbo | /ˌmeɪk ˈʌp/ | comporsi |
| set up verbo | /ˌsɛt ˈʌp/ | preparare, installare |
| sit down verbo | sedersi, accomodarsi |
Frasi da ripetere
Frasi brevi e complete del video che puoi riutilizzare nella conversazione di tutti i giorni:
- Olivia, I've spoken to you about that.
- It's like, it gets in your brain, you know what I mean?
- Someone else you've shared a stage with.
La grammatica di questo video
Le strutture che chi parla usa di più, con le parole esatte del video:
| Struttura | Nel video |
|---|---|
| Present perfect have/has + participio passato — un’azione passata che conta ancora adesso | we've seen · you've shared · i've ever asked |
| Forma passiva be + participio passato — conta ciò che accade, non chi lo fa | can be grounded · was really inspired · being set |
| Frasi relative who / which + frase — un’informazione in più su una persona o una cosa | friends who are · people who can · somebody who is |
Pronuncia a cui fare attenzione
Chi parla usa 78 contrazioni e forme ridotte, come I'm, you're, we're. Pronunciale nella forma breve, così come le senti.
- I suoni “sh” e “zh”: friendship /ˈfɹɛn(d)ʃɪp/, expectation /ˌɛk.spɛkˈteɪ.ʃən/, extension /ɪkˈstɛnʃən/, shock /ʃɔk/, inspiration /ˌɪn.spɪˈɹeɪ.ʃən/
- Parole lunghe — attenzione all’accento: expectation /ˌɛk.spɛkˈteɪ.ʃən/, inspiration /ˌɪn.spɪˈɹeɪ.ʃən/, superhero /ˈs(j)upɚhɪɹoʊ/, lollapalooza /ˌlɑləpəˈluzə/, appreciative /əˈpɹi.ʃətɪv/
I suoni difficili per chi parla italiano:
- /h/ — va soffiata, non è muta: helpful /ˈhɛlp.fl̩/, humble /ˈhʌmbəl/, headline /ˈhɛd.laɪn/, superhero /ˈs(j)upɚhɪɹoʊ/, wholesome /ˈhoʊl.səm/
- Consonante finale — senza aggiungere una vocale dopo: friendship /ˈfɹɛn(d)ʃɪp/, ghost /ɡoʊst/, artistic /ɑɹˈtɪs.tɪk/, percentage /pə(ɹ)ˈsɛntɪd͡ʒ/, lyrics /ˈlɪɹ.ɪks/
- /æ/ — più aperta della “e”: chapel /ˈt͡ʃæp.əl/, charity /ˈtʃæɹɪti/, valid /ˈvælɪd/, talented /ˈtæləntɪd/, clash /ˈklæʃ/
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