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Today, anxiety as a disorder, as a diagnosed mental disorder, afflicts about 40 million adults, and that's way more women than men.
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For whatever reason, women are a lot more anxious than men are.
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This seems to most people to be a real scourge, a real problem, something to eliminate if at all possible.
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The job for us to live better is not to eliminate anxiety,
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but rather to manage it to levels that do not obstruct our quality of life,
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but exist to the point that they give us the benefits that they're supposed to give us.
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If anxiety is part of your life that you don't like, let's talk today about how we can make it into something else.
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Anxiety into adventure.
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Hi friends, welcome to Office Hours.
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I'm Arthur Brooks.
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Right now, you're like
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Neo in the Matrix.
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You can keep scrolling, experiencing a simulation of life.
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Or you can wake up to how your attention is being harvested for profit.
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It's happening to people all over the world right now.
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You don't want to be productized like this anymore.
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But it's hard.
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Tech addiction is so potent because it's been designed to tap into your dopamine system.
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Just like heroin, porn, gambling, you've got the cravings, you're addicted.
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You don't like it and I don't either.
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But I can't just tell you to stop doing it, that's hard.
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And when you do, you'll be living once again in real life, and you're going to like how it feels.
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Today, I want to talk about something that is not a source of happiness, typically, but it could be.
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I'm actually talking about anxiety, and I want to talk about how you can see anxiety in your life
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or the lives of other people in an entirely new way, not based on just wishful thinking, but based on the best research.
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And I started thinking about this actually, because of a very personal thing.
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You know, I have three kids, they're in their twenties.
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Not that long ago, obviously they were teenagers and they were angsty as anybody else.
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Now it's in the wind, I'll give you the data in a minute,
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that young adults today, they're suffering from anxiety at higher levels than we've ever seen in the past.
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And it's not just measurement, it's not just diagnosis, it's not just that people are paying attention to it.
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I think it actually really is the case.
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And I'll tell you why I think that is the case.
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And, you know, my kids, like anybody else, were anxious because it's hard being a teenager and a young adult and people in their twenties.
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But a couple of my kids, they solved it or they didn't eliminate it.
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They learned to manage it in a counterintuitive way, perhaps.
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What did they do?
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Well, you have to get a little bit of background here.
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Two of my three kids are U .S.
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Marines.
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I wasn't a Marine.
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I don't actually know what happened.
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I barely made it through a year of the Cub Scouts.
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But when my second son was graduating from high school, he decided that college was not for him, at least temporarily.
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He actually is in college and finishing up and getting great grades now in his 20s.
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But at the time, it wasn't right for him.
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So he went and worked on a farm for a while, and then he realized he wanted something even harder.
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He wanted something that would challenge him even more,
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that would maybe even actually satisfy his need to see the world and understand his own fear
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differently than he had in the past.
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So he joined the Marine Corps.
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He became a scout sniper, which is an elite unit of the Marine Corps.
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Those of you who on Netflix saw the documentary
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Marines, I strongly recommend it because it followed the 31st MU, the Marine Expeditionary Unit to the South Pacific on training exercises.
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My son actually did that as a scout sniper.
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And, you know, doing the infantry training battalion, as well as boot camp, of course, and then this in -doc for the scout sniper platoon,
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it was the hardest thing he ever did.
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And the job itself was really hard and dangerous and, quite frankly, pretty scary sometimes.
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His little sister followed him into the Marines as well.
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She didn't enlist like he did.
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She actually did officer candidate school, which is sort of the boot camp for officers.
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And she's currently a second lieutenant in the Marine Corps after incredibly arduous training as well.
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Now, why did they do it?
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Well, once again, it was to take on parts of their own life that they wanted to confront in a big, hard, strenuous way.
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How do I know?
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They told me, as a matter of fact.
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And here's the funny thing.
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After doing these hard and frankly pretty scary things, I mean, my daughter's still in.
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She's got years left and she's in the middle of it as well.
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I've noticed something about them.
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They went from angsty young adults to people of equanimity it's not just
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that they grew up it's that they
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that they see their lives differently including the source of their old anxiety
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they turned their anxiety into an adventure craziest thing i've ever seen
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and when i saw this happening i thought what's going on what explains this more importantly how can i do
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that how can you do that how can anybody do
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that without joining the marine corps and I've got the answers for you today.
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If anxiety is part of your life that you don't like, let's talk today about how we can make it into something else.
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Anxiety into adventure.
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Now, this isn't a new idea that anxiety can become an adventure.
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On the contrary, the Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard, I've talked about him before on the show, he talked about anxiety in these terms.
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He called it an adventure which every man has to affront if he would not go to perdition.
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in other words he said you have to turn your anxiety into an adventure now he talked about
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that is the most important thing in life
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but trouble is he didn't say how he just kind of asserted
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that i'm going to tell you how to do it
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because since soren kirkagard in the 19th century was writing
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we actually have a ton of research on shows exactly how we can do it
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and it's incredibly useful
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it turns out to be precisely what my kids did as a matter of fact without actually having to go
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and study the social psychology.
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But for those of us who are not doing that, the research is going to make life a lot easier and a lot more straightforward.
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Now, let's get a little bit of background on anxiety itself.
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I'm going to define anxiety in a second, but it's a problem.
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Anxiety disorders, a dysregulated kind of anxiety in life, it's actually the most common mental disorder, mental illness in America today.
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That comes from Scott Stossel in an article he wrote in 2014 called Surviving Anxiety.
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I'll put it in the show notes.
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I'll put all this stuff in the show notes as I always do.
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Today, anxiety as a disorder, as a diagnosed mental disorder, afflicts about 40 million adults.
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And that's way more women than men.
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For whatever reason, women are a lot more anxious than men are.
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That actually comes from the Anxiety and Depression Association of America from 2025.
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So that's really recent data.
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This seems to most people to be a real scourge, a real problem, something to eliminate if at all possible.
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But as my kids showed me, that's not the right approach.
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As Kierkegaard argued, for most people, elimination is not the right approach.
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To begin with, and I'll come back and show you this in a minute too, it's not possible.
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You can't eliminate your anxiety, at least permanently.
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That's an exercise in futility.
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So management is the only option, and even better, if you can turn it into something positive.
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If you do, here's my promise as we get to the end of this episode.
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Within healthy boundaries and properly managed, anxiety can become an integral part of your life, something that you actually treasure, something that you're grateful for.
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It can give you greater learning.
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It can raise your performance and it can even make your life more fun and interesting.
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So don't turn off this episode.
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I promise you're going to get a lot of really, really easy tips that you're going to be able to use.
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Now, let's start with the science.
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by defining some terms.
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Now, when people talk about anxiety, there's a lot of terms that get thrown around and they're sort of interchangeable, so they seem, but they're not.
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Terms like anxiety and fear and worry and stress.
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Here's how they're all related.
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Anxiety is an unfocused form of fear.
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Now, fear is an ancient primordial negative basic emotion.
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It has to do with the activation of the amygdala, which sends a signal through the hypothalamus to the pituitary glands,
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which then stimulate the adrenal glands sitting over the kidneys to spit out stress hormones.
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We are evolved to experience fear episodically and intensely.
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Our bodies are made so that something actually is perceived as threat.
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We smell something, we see something, we touch something, we hear something.
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That's a threat.
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That's supposed to stimulate the amygdala.
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And that whole process kicks into gear.
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You run before you ask questions, climb a tree and then figure out whether or not that threat was real.
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That's what it's supposed to be.
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It's supposed to save your life.
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That's what fear is actually for.
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Unfocused fear, that which is kind of chronic and not something we're entirely aware of, something that's at a relatively low but nagging level.
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That's what we think of as anxiety.
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That's one of the best definitions of it.
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It's characterized anxiety, that unfocused fear, that kind of scratching at the amygdala,
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which actually sends a weaker signal through the hypothalamus and the pituitary glands.
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You get a little drip of these stress hormones.
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It actually is characterized by recursive negative thoughts.
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That's a fancy way of saying you worry.
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Recursive negative thoughts are worry.
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So psychologically, anxiety is accompanied by worry. And physiologically, it's accompanied by stress stress is not a psychological phenomenon
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it's a biological phenomenon stress has a lot to do with those stress hormones like epinephrine aka adrenaline
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that's in the near term that gets you pumping right
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that gets you you know sweating and your heart pounding
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or just you're getting the flutter in your stomach chronically at two o 'clock in the afternoon
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when you're experiencing a lot of anxiety
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and those of you who have trouble with anxiety
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you know what i'm talking about three o 'clock in the afternoon
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you're like i'm kind of freaking out i don't know why in that feeling of lightness in your stomach, that's adrenaline.
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That's actually being pumped out of your adrenal glands.
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And over the longer term, what's keeping you in a state of alertness because of anxiety is generally cortisol.
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So if you go to the doctor and you have chronically elevated cortisol levels and it's not letting you sleep, that's what that's all about.
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But they're both coming from the adrenal glands, cortisol from the cortex of the adrenal glands.
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So that's the whole point anxiety is unfocused fear characterized by recursive negative thoughts aka worry
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and physiological manifestations aka stress
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and stress hormones that's how it all hangs together now evolutionary biologists they will suggest
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that fear is absolutely not a glitch in the matrix you do not want to live without fear
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because you'll get you know run over eaten by a tiger attacked by a stranger
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because of a stupid mistake or error in judgment that you make summarily.
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Fear is super important for you.
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But evolutionary biologists will also argue that anxiety itself, that low -grade fear, that unfocused fear, that that's actually evolved as well.
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And it's actually protective because that's part of our alarm system
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when there are kind of chronic low -grade threats that should have no small part of our attention,
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a non -trivial attention that will pay to it, attention to threats.
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It's like there are enemies, maybe pay attention.
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You know, there's somebody over there that I'm not quite sure of that should make you anxious, not afraid.
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There are pathogens out there anxious, but not afraid.
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It's such that you pay attention and take appropriate action.
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So you're taking protective action as opposed to defensive action.
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You see the difference between the two?
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That's why anxiety actually is something that we've evolved and it's something that actually can be protective.
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Now, the problem is that that's normal anxiety, which everybody feels.
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There's not a person on the planet.
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I know that, you know, the chillest people you meet, they experience some amount of anxiety, maybe less than you.
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The trouble is when it actually becomes dysregulated or exaggerated, when it becomes a chronic problem.
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Chronic anxiety is a maladaptation to threats.
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It's kind of like a smoke alarm that's turned up too high.
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And so, you know, you light a match to light a birthday candle on a birthday cake in your apartment
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and suddenly the smoke alarm goes off.
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It just becomes way too sensitive.
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the threshold is too low.
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And there are some people for whom that's the case.
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They're chronically afraid of crime.
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They don't want to go out of their apartment because you never know.
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There's predators every place.
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That depends on the neighborhood, of course.
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But there are a lot of people who have this kind of paranoia
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and they can become agoraphobic as a result of that kind of anxiety.
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They'll have fear of sickness.
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I knew people during the, even when the coronavirus pandemic had largely passed, who insisted on wearing masks outside.
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You decide in your own prudential judgment when you get to wear a mask inside or a plane or something, but people outside wearing them.
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And for a lot of the people that I would talk to, because I'm very sympathetic to that, I'm not critical.
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I'm not laughing at anybody.
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They would say, I just can't get over the fear that I have of this.
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And that's, that's anxiety.
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It's an unfocused fear of a pathogen kind of in the ether that they're worried about.
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People who are afraid of flying.
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That's another thing.
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I mean, it's just like this unfocused fear of something that might happen.
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People were really, really nervous flyers.
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That's kind of this chronic anxiety because of these threats.
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the smoke alarm of your limbic system is turned up a little bit too high.
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That kind of dysregulation can lead to an anxiety disorder, which can significantly interfere with the functioning of your quality of life.
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And in fact, you'll be diagnosed with generalized anxiety
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and anxiety disorder precisely on the basis of whether or not it does interfere with the quality of your life.
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It's not how much anxiety you have, it's how much trouble it causes, as a matter of fact.
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And the people who have been diagnosed, formally diagnosed with this, has been going through the roof.
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From 2008 to 2018, the percentage of 18 to 25 -year -olds, and this is where anxiety is most acute today,
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it's where we see the numbers going up most is with young adults.
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The 18 to 25 -year -olds diagnosed with anxiety disorder, it doubled to about 15%.
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And then during the coronavirus epidemic, it went up by another 5 percentage points to 20%, and it's basically gone up from there.
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And so it's just not going back down.
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Obviously, that's a big problem.
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A couple of references on this.
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One of them is from JAMA Pediatrics, a pretty good overview of this.
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Global prevalence of depressive and anxiety symptoms in children and adolescents during COVID -19.
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So that'll give you the data that I'm talking about here.
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And if you want to go look at it yourself and chart it up, you can do it using these links in the show notes.
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So what's the cause?
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What happened?
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Why is it going up all the time? then you could just say the world's more stressful i suppose
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so but you know i'm actually not persuaded of
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that as somebody trained as a social scientist
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and looking back at history it's actually probably not the case there's something about the way
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that we live today
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and that's something according to most people who are looking into
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this certainly jonathan height at new york university gene twenge at san diego state university
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they would place no small part of blame in the way
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that we're using our brains in the way that we interact with our devices.
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So the intensive use, overuse, misuse of technology has everything to do with this.
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And it sort of makes sense.
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I mean, the rise of social media has been so extreme.
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According to the American Psychological Association, the average American teenager spends about five hours a day on social media platforms. So what?
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I'll put that into the show notes as well so you can see those data. So what?
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The answer is that the risk, literally the risk of an anxiety disorder,
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a diagnosed anxiety disorder rises linearly with the amount of time that a person spends on social media.
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And it's especially true for young adults.
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And I'll put those references in as well.
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Now, why?
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That's really interesting.
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And that's something I've looked at a lot in my own work.
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I answer that with respect to the way that we use our brains when we're using technology.
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The average person, American, checks her or his device 205 times a day.
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which means we're constantly going into these platforms again and again and again and again.
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When we do that, we fall prey to problems of hemispheric lateralization.
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Now, hemispheric lateralization, if you've been watching this show,
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you know it's a fancy way of saying that the two sides of the brain do different things.
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The right hemisphere is about mind -wandering and mystery and meaning and love and happiness and why questions of life.
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That's where most of those things are really adjudicated, the complex things that you can never solve, but you could understand and live with.
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And the left side of the brain is more how to
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and what is the engineering side of your brain is the lists side of your brain.
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That's where you're actually figuring out how to do stuff.
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And that's what's most active when we're bombarding our brains constantly with these computerized algorithms.
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That's mostly what you're using when you're looking at AI,
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for example, or just being fed an algorithm of endless YouTube sharts of information that we didn't ask for.
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So that almost exclusive use of the left hemisphere of the brain is marginalizing the part of our lives
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that we need for love and happiness and mystery and meaning.
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The right hemisphere.
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So guess what?
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When you marginalize that stuff from your life, when you eliminate that from your life, the mind wandering, the meaning making from your life,
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you're going to get stressed out.
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You're going to be anxious.
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You're using your brain wrong.
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That's one reason.
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The second reason that when this shows up a lot in the literature is
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that when people are on social media a lot, they become very anxious because of high levels of social comparison.
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You don't have to spend any time on social media to see a lot of social comparison going on.
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I mean, you have this, she has that.
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She's got a better life than you.
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You're comparing yourself to millions and millions of other people.
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And this is especially deleterious for young women is what's been found.
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And that is extremely anxiety provoking.
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The third reason is because a lot of social media, what it does is that you start to mediate your relationship through screen.
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There's less in -person interaction and eye -to -eye contact, which has strong neurochemical implications to it.
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But the bottom line is it leads to loneliness.
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If you're spending more than an hour a day, give or take, your results may vary, but they probably won't very much.
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And this is based on very interesting experiments in workplaces and among young adults in general,
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that if you're spending more than an hour a day or so on social media,
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each hour you spend is going to make you lonelier than the last, which is really ironic when you think about it, right?
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I'm lonely, so I want some human contact, so I look at social media.
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But that's like eating fast food.
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You know, when you're really hungry, you binge on fast food and your brain says, okay, good calories.
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But immediately your brain registers that your nutrients are insufficient you'll get hungry again really fast
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if you eat fast food because you haven't met your nutrient needs
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and your brain and body know that they're smart but you've met your caloric needs which means you can become
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malnourished and obese simultaneously by eating the wrong kind of food.
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You binge the food that actually meets the, the, the apparent need, but you don't meet the actual need.
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That's like social media.
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Social media is the, is this fast food of social life.
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I'm lonely.
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So I binge on social media and I get lonelier.
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So I binge more and it gets into this vicious cycle.
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You know, this is a very, very suboptimal.
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That's the third reason that overuse of social media and tech would lead to these anxiety problems.
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And then fourth is kind of tangential to it, but it's worth pointing out.
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According to Jonathan Haidt, the average 12 -year -old spends between four and seven minutes a day in nature.
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There's a ton of research out there that shows one of the best ways to lower your anxiety is to go outside, is to touch grass.
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That's the reason they talk about touching grass.
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You're kind of freaked out looking at your device and you're getting out of touch with reality.
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I'm going to go touch grass.
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That means put down your phone and go outside
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and look at a leaf or literally take off your shoes and touch grass.
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And there's a ton of research that shows that it will lower your anxiety and will lower your depression.
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It's good for you to do that, but the lack of nature is something that accompanies the way that we actually use tech today.
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So there's myriad reasons that this is the case that actually explains this pattern,
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this linear and direct correlation between anxiety, diagnosed anxiety, and the amount of time people spend on social media.
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And these effects were exacerbated during the pandemic lockdowns, of course, which is why we saw these explosive increases,
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inflections in generalized anxiety, especially among young adults,
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who are most likely to be locked down at home and looking at screens for more and more and more time.
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Gene Twenge, who I mentioned before, has written about this.
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I'll put it in a 2020 article called the U .S.
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Census Bureau Assessed Prevalence of Anxiety and Depressive Symptoms in 2019 and During the COVID -19 Pandemic.
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That's from a journal called Depression and Anxiety.
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Yes, there's a whole journal dedicated to depression and anxiety.
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This leads to not just discomfort and unhappiness.
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This leads to huge health issues.
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One of the things that we find is that high levels of anxiety, they increase interleukin -6, which is a cytokine protein.
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And that's associated with autoimmune disorders, with cancers, even coronary artery disease, coronary heart disease, as a matter of fact.
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I'll put the notes on that.
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You can learn more about interleukin -6 if you're interested.
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It exists for a reason.
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It has beneficial impacts.
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But when they're chronically high, it has a deleterious impact on the human body.
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You know, we find in some of this research
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that highly anxious people have rates of heart attack comparable to that of cigarette smokers.
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So if you're anxious, definitely don't smoke.
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So all this is bad, obviously obviously.
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And you might be tempted to conclude, as so many people have,
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that in positions of leadership and in sort of the therapy system in this country,
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that anxiety is the enemy and actually should be eliminated.
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I mean, that's something that's actually been proposed to a lot of young people today, people I talk to, my students and others many,
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many times saying, we have to deal with your anxiety, understanding that it's an unvartish terrible in life and it's best to get rid of it.
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Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could live without it entirely?
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And of course, that's not true.
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But even the eliminationist approach that many therapists and school counselors and teachers and leaders are talking about is misguided.
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The job for us to live better is not to eliminate anxiety,
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but rather to manage it to levels that do not obstruct our quality of life,
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but exist to the point that they give us the benefits that they're supposed to give us.
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That's what we want.
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That's the trick.
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What we need to find is the balance in people's lives.
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Now, I suppose for some people's lives is to get more anxiety than they currently have.
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They're too chill, but that's not what I see.
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It's actually to lower it to the point where we're not trying to eliminate it
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and not even seeing it as the enemy, but lowering it in our lives and managing it
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and framing it up in such a way
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that we start to get the benefits from it without the deleterious costs from it.
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We want anxiety at normal levels, which will render it healthy and good.
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Now, is that possible?
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The answer is yes.
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Tons of research shows this as well.
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There's an old saying, often attributed to the Dalai Lama himself, that sleep is the best medicine.
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The older I get and the more I study human happiness, and if I'm being honest, the worse my own sleep tends to get with age,
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the more I know that he was exactly right.
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Here's what the science actually shows.
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Poor sleep doesn't just make you tired, it can actually make you less happy.
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You can't build a meaningful life on frequent chronic broken sleep.
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So, I take my sleep seriously.
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One of the best investments I've made in this area is my Helix mattress.
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What I like about Helix is that they recognize something obvious but important.
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Everything else works better when you do.
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healthy levels of anxiety are highly protective as i mentioned before for alerting
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you to potential threats keeping your attention on potential threats for example
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if you would eliminate anxiety while you're driving you'd absolutely not be sufficiently alert to dangers
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and traffic but there's interesting research that's obvious
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but there's interesting research as well that shows
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that healthy levels of of anxiety can promote empathy
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because they raise one's awareness of other people and
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and as such it it increases levels of self -knowledge that's uh something
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that scott's docile uh talks about in the article i referred to earlier called surviving anxiety
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but what i want to talk about here mostly is the benefit
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that we get by by having an adventure in life
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that depends on the anxiety in our lives yeah is
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that possible i want to tell you about a pretty interesting study from the journal of experimental social psychology in 2014.
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So it's about 12 years old now.
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In that study, scholars were looking at how a person's anxiety affected a task
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and how the task affected the state of flow that they were in.
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So they were performing tasks and they wanted to see if people went into a flow state.
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Now, most of you know what that is, but I'll remind you, Flow is a book called Flow by Michal Csikszentmihalyi,
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who is the great social psychologist, now a blessed memory, who taught for many years at the University of Chicago and later at Claremont Graduate University.
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And she sent me high, wrote about flow as an incredibly pleasurable state where you're kind of in a zone of doing something that's hard,
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but not too hard, totally engaged.
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Now, everybody watching us, you've been in a flow state before.
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Maybe you wish you were more.
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I mean, everybody wishes they were more.
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Hours turned to minutes.
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It's like, wow, the whole morning went by.
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It's so amazing.
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For some people, it's it's riding bikes
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you know one of my sons was a was a very
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uh was a very good cyclist was you know at one point wanted to be a professional cyclist
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and when he was on his bike i mean the whole world went away
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because he was in this flow state i have another son who you know he would
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it's sort of incredible you know what he would what he's able to do
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when he's talking about deeply philosophical ideas or for that matter doing math he's really kind of a brainy kid
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And when he's in the zone talking about something that's really complex in this way, time goes away.
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It's just beautiful to watch, as a matter of fact, because this is where he's supposed to be.
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This is his happy place, as it were.
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Anyway, so this article in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology for
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2014 looked at how the role of anxiety in getting people into the flow state when they're doing different tasks.
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Flow states, they found, were highest in people when they displayed a moderate level of sympathetic arousal and activation of the,
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and I promise I'll define this, the hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis, the HPA axis.
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In other words, they were experiencing measurable levels of physiological stress.
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They were anxious.
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They felt anxiety.
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They were not overwhelmed by it, but they actually felt it.
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They were kind of on the edge of their seats.
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This is what we're actually trying to get to.
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You're not freaking out.
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You don't think a tiger is going to eat you, but you're vigilant.
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You're trying to do something well.
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You don't want it to go poorly.
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You're not super relaxed.
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When you are in a state of moderate anxiety, you have the highest likelihood of going into a state of flow, which is bliss.
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That's the way that we actually turn anxiety into an adventure.
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And that's what we want more of in our life.
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That's what I want to tell you how to do, because otherwise, why would you keep listening?
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And by the way, one other piece of research before I go into the how -to.
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Anxiety has actually been found to be therapeutic even when it's even when it is a little too high.
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So I mean it's like you're not gonna be able to turn
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it like a dial like I'm gonna get it just right
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I'm gonna calibrate my anxiety a lot of times it's gonna be too much
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but research has shown from the Journal of Positive Psychology that
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when people actually are experiencing uncomfortable levels of anxiety
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I mean really uncomfortable
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they don't like it they find a lot of therapeutic benefits from it usually after the fact
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it's kind of like a treatment that's not so great
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But, you know, they'll find, for example, that when they go through a really anxious period in life,
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that that tends to be quite freeing from limitations.
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So this is the key thing to think about
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when inevitably you're you're experiencing a level of anxiety that's higher than you like.
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You need to reframe this as, yeah, I'm learning something and I'm going to be free from limitations as a result of this,
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as likely as not.
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And by the way, that's not just wishful thinking.
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This is here in this article by Russo Netzer from 2025 positive anxiety, existential authenticity is a pathway to wellbeing.
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That's from the Journal of Positive Psychology.
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Once again, in the show notes, go read it.
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It's good.
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People after the fact, after uncomfortable anxiety,
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they tend to have a clear understanding of life's meaning and they're better able to find authentic direction in life.
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Most people, when these things happen, say that they're grateful for the anxiety that they felt.
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This doesn't mean that you should be looking for debilitating and dysregulated anxiety.
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That's too much.
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What I'm telling you is this isn't your enemy.
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That's really what we're talking about here.
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So what do we want?
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We don't want to get rid of it.
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We don't want to be afraid of it.
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We want to manage it, especially such that we're in the zone that we can actually get the flow.
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And we're not worried about it when it's higher than that.
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This is the goal that we actually have.
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How do we do it?
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How do we make it into our friend?
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Step one, accept it.
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Look, anxiety is normal.
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Look, for the past seven years, I've been teaching at the Harvard Business School.
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And I tell them usually in the second lecture of my Science of Happiness class,
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you're studying at Harvard University at the best business school in the world.
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If you're not stressed out, you need therapy.
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This is important and it's hard and you're doing it on purpose.
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But remember, you're doing it on purpose, which means you need to accept it.
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And all of us are doing things on purpose.
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Look, you're putting one foot in front of the other.
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That's great.
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You're doing something in your life.
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Everybody who's watching
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Office Hours actually wants to live a better life.
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You're involved.
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I mean, I wish everybody watched
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Office Hours, but the ones who are most likely to are strivers.
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And strivers are asking for stress and anxiety, even sometimes fear.
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Certainly lots of worry.
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A lot of you are chronic worriers.
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I hope by the end of this episode, you're like, yeah, I'm worried less about my worry because I'm an accepted.
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I'm an accepted as a part of the life that I have accepted.
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You know, it was really helpful for me earlier in my life.
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I took a job as a CEO, a big Washington institution, policy think tank.
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And it was at the center of a lot of controversies, actually.
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And I started getting not just hate mail, somebody's even threats for the very first time.
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It bummed me out.
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It stressed me out.
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It really made me really anxious.
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And so one day I realized that, look, if I'm going to dish it out as CEO of this organization,
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saying hard truths as I see them, I got to take it too.
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This is a cost of doing business and it's well worth it.
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And that's really what I'm talking about.
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Accept that anxiety is normal and this is a life that you've chosen.
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And that's pretty empowering, I have to say.
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And by the way, trying to eliminate it doesn't work anyway.
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So you can accept it or you can rail against the moon, which doesn't really work and it's not really helpful.
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That's step one.
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And that acceptance this is really important.
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I would actually put a little mantra together.
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If you suffer from a lot of anxiety, I don't know what this day is going to bring first thing in the morning.
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And I know it's going to bring a lot of anxiety, but I've chosen this life.
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Bring it on.
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That will help you.
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It has certainly helped me.
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Number two, remember that to have an adventure in life, something that's out of the ordinary is exactly what you want.
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Now remember, anxiety is your alertness to things that are out of the ordinary.
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Something's not right.
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Something's not right.
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Something not right is what you're actually looking for, for adventures in your life.
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If you're going to do something that's actually kind of dangerous, if you were doing an extreme sport,
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you're looking for something that's out of the ordinary and kind of dangerous on purpose.
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Your version of that is actually what you're doing, fellow strivers.
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I want something that's not boring.
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It's probably not, you know, trying to go spearfishing with great white sharks or something,
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but there's a lot of stuff that actually does feel really dangerous that people are doing.
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A lot of people are really worried, for example, about first dates and romantic love.
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And this is one of the things that I've done in conjunction with a dating app that I've been working with.
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And if you're watching my show, you know exactly what I'm talking about here.
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I say, see dates not as problems, but as adventures, like new things, new horizons, new things to learn.
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And here's the problem.
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Here's why that's hard.
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Most people treat anxiety as what the Harvard Medical School professor, Kevin Majors, who's a psychiatrist,
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what he calls adrenaline with a negative frame.
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So you get the adrenaline and you have a negative frame around the adrenaline.
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That's how we actually experience anxiety typically.
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Now people say, okay, I got to get rid of the adrenaline.
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No, no, no, no, no. You got to change the frame.
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Adrenaline with a negative frame has two levers.
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One is to try to lower the level of adrenaline.
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The other is to try to change the frame from negative to positive.
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And there's a whole bunch of different ways to do that, to say, you know, this is exciting.
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I'm learning something.
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I'm out on a date with somebody and it and it might go really badly, in which case it's going to be funny after the fact.
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You know, I'm going to have a funny story to tell my friends or,
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you know, this is exciting because it actually might lead to something really, really good or it might actually lead to me feeling really, really bad.
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But that's the kind of thing I'm in for right now.
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Reframing it in that positive way from this is stressful and harmful to this is exciting is something you can absolutely do.
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And by the way, that kind of reframing is something that people do all the time.
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This is once again, not wishful thinking.
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If you say it, it will be true.
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Lots of research that shows that you can do exactly that.
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Now to do that, it's important to kind of lean into the source of the anxiety.
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And this is step three deep in your engagement with the parts of your life
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that stress you out don't lean out lean in on the contrary
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you know conflicts in the workplace i'll tell you how to do that in a second
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conflicts at home these are sources of anxiety for sure worries
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about your health worries about politics in the state of the world
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i talk to people about this all the time
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i mean these are very very common sources of anxiety
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it feels like yeah i'm just gonna not think about it no that's
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that i mean sometimes yeah but
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but in general you're not going to be able to do that
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if you're trying trying not to think about it guess what you're going to think about right
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now i tell you don't think about a purple unicorn okay you just thought of it right
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and the more i say don't think about the purple unicorn the more you're going to think about it which is
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paradoxical about the way our brains work and so
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when you're actually trying to lean out from a source of anxiety most likely
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you're going to be leaning in in the most detrimental or counterproductive way possible.
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So lean in of your own volition and in a positive way.
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And here's how you do it.
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Reframe the things that are stressing you out in a way that makes them into a productive challenge, an exciting challenge, not as a black cloud.
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For example, if you're having trouble with your marriage, envision yourself engaging in a new and energetic way with your spouse.
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Think about all the different ways, things that you're going to talk about with confidence and without fear,
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think about ways that you're actually going to lean into it to solve these problems.
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That way you'll actually, by the way, it will no longer be abstract.
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And the more concrete the vision is, the less you'll worry about it because worry is this recursive thought about abstract things.
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That's how worry actually works.
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So make it less abstract.
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It'll be better.
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If your health is a problem,
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put together a protocol, a new plan for bettering your health with one of my kids who recently made a move, you know, it was a,
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it was a really, really stressful move, right?
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I mean, and she's, by the way, this is my Marine.
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So she's actually learned how to deal with a lot of anxiety in her life.
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But the move itself was the first big, huge move by herself, um, across an ocean.
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And so one of the things that we talked about was, okay, write a list of all the things that actually might go wrong
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and what you will do literally in each one of these cases, right?
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Now there's a reason for this.
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This is basically how you take uncertainty, which is a source of fear that you don't like and turn it into risk.
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This is what insurance companies do is by saying, okay, in each case, what might it be?
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And what would I do in each case?
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It's classic technique, classic cognitive technique.
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And that really lowered her anxiety about something.
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And she went forth with confidence to do that.
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In the case of your health, you say, okay, I'll give you an example.
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You're really anxious about a test that you've got with the doctor.
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And it's, it's, you know, you took the test and it's going to come back in a couple of weeks.
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That's a long time to be in agony about the anxiety.
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Write down the best case, worst case, and most likely case.
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Okay, what's the worst case?
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Some dreaded thing.
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The most likely case.
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Something I don't like that I can deal with.
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The best case is nothing.
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Let's say for purposes of argument that that's legitimate.
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Now put kind of probabilities on that.
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I think it's actually probably realistically a 10 % chance is the worst case.
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I think it's about a 20 % chance is the best case.
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Well, that means by process of elimination, it's a 70 % chance is the most likely case.
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That's most likely.
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What am I going to do in each case?
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Write it down.
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Write it down.
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And when you do that, what you're doing is that you're deepening in your engagement with it and you're turning it into a task.
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And it's not an adventure, at least it's something you can manage.
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Think about rebuilding your career as opposed to worrying about your career.
643
What are the steps that you need to do?
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Take a constructive local action for a cause you care about in the world.
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If you're worried about the world, you get my point, lean into it so that you can actually manage it.
646
That's step three.
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So the big steps again are number one, accept.
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anxiety as a part of your life.
649
That's the first step in managing it to levels that become beneficial to you.
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Number two is remember that you're anxious about things that are out of the ordinary,
651
but an out of the ordinary life is actually something that you want.
652
You don't want to be bored in doing the same thing day after day after day.
653
And number three is to lean into the source of the anxiety as opposed to leaning out of it
654
so you can actually organize it in your own mind and think of it.
655
You're more likely to be able to think of it as an adventure as opposed to a curse, a threat, something that you want to eliminate.
656
Now, one last question you might ask.
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Hey, Arthur, if I take your advice, does it mean I won't mind my anxiety anymore?
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Am I going to get rid of the unpleasantness of it?
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I hope I've already covered that.
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But in a word, the answer is no. In many cases, you're still not going to like it.
661
But back to Kierkegaard.
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He called anxiety, the dizziness of freedom.
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Think about that.
664
The dizziness of freedom.
665
You want to be free?
666
Yeah, it's going to cost you.
667
And that's how anxiety kind of feels, as a matter of fact, is the cost of doing the business, of being fully alive.
668
You're always going to have to pay that cost.
669
The question is, how do you decide it's going to feel for you to pay that cost?
670
These are the ideas that come from the literature that have worked in my life, the lives of people near me.
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And now I hope you can put together a master plan for how they can work in your life too.
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Let's take a couple of questions before we finish.
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Anonymous writes in the office hours that are the bricks .com.
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Um, I struggle with an addiction and I'm a poet.
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Now, Anonymous is not saying that he or she is literally a poet.
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For those of you who haven't been on the, listening to the show for very long, poet is a, is an affect profile.
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It's an emotional profile that we use in my work.
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That's somebody who has unusually high negative mood or affect and unusually low positive mood or affect.
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People who are intensely negative in their activity, their limbic system, and their emotions, and unusually weakly positive.
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The reason they're called poets is because really creative romantic people, they tend to have this poetic kind of melancholic temperament.
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It's hard, although it is really associated with creativity.
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So it has gifts.
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And if you want to know more about that, we'll put in the show notes or we'll put here a place for you to go click,
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whether it's above or below me, I don't know.
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You'll click someplace on an earlier episode on the emotional profiles, on the positive affect, negative affect sequence.
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You can also go to my website, by the way, at orthoburks .com.
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You can take a test that will tell you your profile, if you're that, that poet, or one of the other three.
688
Back to the question.
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I'm a poet and I struggle with addiction.
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The question I continue to struggle with, no matter how productive or healthy or even lucky the day is this.
691
How could my life have meaning when each day feels like a net affective loss?
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I've been doing the work for a long time, even if not entirely successfully.
693
Is there any solution at all for the poet?
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There is.
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And there are a couple of things to think about.
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I work, I've worked with a lot of poets in my time.
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Um, literally I've actually worked with literal poets, but I've worked with people with this high negative, low positive affect, um, profile.
698
and basically there are a couple of things to be thinking about now poets
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they tend to be low in enjoyment
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and low in enjoyment psychiatrically is often referred to as a
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condition called anhedonia the inability to experience enjoyment is anhedonia and
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and one of the things
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that poets need to do is to get better at enjoying things they often just don't enjoy anything
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and that means they need to lean into fun.
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I'll put something in the show notes about how to enjoy leisure in entirely different ways that's based on this.
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And I'm not going to, that would be a whole show.
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So I'm not going to go into that now, but do, I'm not honest,
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please do go to the show notes to look into that about how to,
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how to spend leisure time in such a way that if enjoyment is hard for you,
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you can actually enjoy more because that's the macro nutrient of happiness that's usually weakest for poets.
711
So they tend to be very low in enjoyment.
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Meaning as another macro nutrient of happiness is a different kettle of fish.
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I often find that poets will say my life feels meaningless, but they actually have incredible gifts for finding meaning.
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This is really important.
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This is one of the reasons that poets, well, write poetry as a matter of fact, so they're trying to find meaning.
716
Focus more and more and more on this natural strength, which is meaning.
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Become excellent in transcendence, for example.
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I recommend that people who are poetic, that they get much more involved in their spiritual lives, much deeper involved in a sense of personal philosophy.
719
Anonymous, if you have a religion, it's time to triple down on it, because what that will do is it will play to your natural gifts
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and meaning and accentuate that part of your happiness profile.
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So learn more to do enjoyment and bring out more the meaning that whether you feel it or not, you're probably naturally good at.
722
So go look at the show notes.
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I'm going to put some stuff in there for you on that.
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Annette R.
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writes also to the website, officehours at arthurbrooks .com.
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How can you live out your morning and evening protocols when you're not physically healthy?
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Okay, now Annette is referring also to a prior episode of the show, two episodes of the show, actually, one of the morning protocols.
728
That got millions of views, as a matter of fact, and listens on the platforms.
729
And the evening protocols, and they're very specific.
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I mean, this is not an optimization thing is how I live a healthier, happier life.
731
And they're pretty rigorous because, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm blessed to have good health.
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I get up at four 30.
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I work out from four 45 to five 45.
734
I go to mass every day.
735
My, my diet is super strict.
736
Um, how I use caffeine, how I apply caffeine, what I eat, when, et cetera, et cetera.
737
That's not appropriate to everybody.
738
And here's the answer.
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My morning protocols are supposed to be illustrative.
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They're not supposed to be biblical.
741
Nobody should be a fundamentalist about what I'm doing.
742
Not even me, by the way.
743
There are times when I need to relax and, and, and that's hard for me because I'm so rigid about it.
744
And my wife has to be like, you know, you're actually, you're staying in bed.
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Sorry.
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And, and it's actually really helpful to me.
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So Annette, if health is a problem, look at my basic protocols and think how you can adapt them to your circumstances.
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Number one, get up at the time that actually is as early as possible appropriate to your health.
749
So you're getting your hours.
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Number two, you're probably not going to be getting down to the gym and lifting heavy.
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Probably walking is the ambulatory exercise, if that's possible for you, is the way that you'll actually spend your hour.
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Which, by the way, the hour walk without devices, especially if it's before dawn, is called the Brahma Vohurta in Sanskrit in ancient Vedic wisdom.
753
And it has special properties for what it does for happiness and health.
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Number three is, you know, maybe you're not going out and going to a worship service, but what are you doing for meditation?
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What are you doing for prayer, which almost everybody can do? fourth drinks and drinking
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and eating in a way that's most appropriate to your health as close to what i talk about as possible
757
but certainly not overlapping that make it your protocol
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that actually fits you best don't make the perfect the enemy
759
the good okay last question sandy f writes in also to the website um is there value in daydreaming
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i love it sometimes i daydream by reliving things in my past other times about events
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i hope to have happen in my future sometimes they're pleasant other times
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they're not what's the value to them is there any
763
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
764
Go back to the hemispheric lateralization shows that I've done.
765
When you let your mind wander, which means you can't be looking at something on YouTube or scrolling Instagram.
766
You can't be doing it then because that's distracting you
767
and turning off the parts of your brain that you need to daydream.
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Now, what are the parts of the brain?
769
They're parts of the default mode network.
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Go back to the earlier episode and I've talked a lot about the default mode network.
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I am a huge proponent of boredom.
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We need to make boredom great again and I don't mean to cast dispersions like the unpleasant boredom thing.
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I think we need to be more undistracted.
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So Sandy F that your mind can wander.
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Your default mode network is responsible for your creativity, your flights of fancy, your,
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and ultimately the sense of meaning in your life is where you actually come up with these unbidden ideas.
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Are they always super fun?
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No, because the meaning of your life has unpleasant things about it.
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Good.
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That's all I can say.
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You need more mind wandering, I recommend that everybody set aside time to be bored,
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to do things that are boring on purpose so
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that you can get the default mode network switch on to get the mind wandering that you actually need.
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Time to sign off.
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Always please continue to let me know your thoughts at officehours .orthofworks .com.
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Place comments, you know, where you're watching or listening to this.
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We read them all, positive or negative.
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They're super helpful for us.
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And even if they're negative, Thank you for watching the show.
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We really, really deeply appreciate it.
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And if they're positive and you like it, please suggest the show to a couple of million of your closest friends.
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We want this to spread.
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This is a movement of happiness teachers, starting with you.
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So share the love.
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Leave, um, you know, a review and that's helpful too.
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Um, give it a thumbs up if you like, um, and follow me on Instagram, on LinkedIn, on any other platforms,
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on social, I'm on most of them for sure.
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And you'll get content on those platforms that actually come from me on other podcasts and, and random stuff.
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Sometimes I just record videos of things I'm thinking of that don't show up on the show at all.
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And while you're at it, while you're doing stuff, go order
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The Meaning of Your Life, my latest book.
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And if you like it, pass it on to somebody you like.
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Thank you very much.
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I appreciate it.
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As always, thank you for joining me for this time.
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And I'm looking forward to seeing you next week.
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Vocabulário e dicas de fala para esta lição
Esta aula de conversação usa o vídeo “Stop Letting Anxiety Hold You Back”. Este vídeo tem 807 frases e 9689 palavras para praticar shadowing. A fala dura 49:37. O falante fala rápido, cerca de 195 palavras por minuto, então espere sons ligados e reduzidos. 84% das palavras estão entre as 3.000 mais comuns do inglês; vale a pena estudar o restante antes de começar.
Vocabulário principal deste vídeo
15 palavras do vídeo que vale a pena aprender, com pronúncia e significado:
| Palavra | Pronúncia | Significado |
|---|---|---|
| anxiety substantivo | /æŋˈzaɪ.əti/ | angústia, ansiedade |
| happiness substantivo | /ˈhæpinɪs/ | felicidade, alegria |
| poet substantivo | /ˈpoʊ.ət/ | poeta, poetisa |
| anxious adjetivo | /ˈæŋkʃəs/ | desconfortável |
| adventure substantivo | /ədˈvɛn.t͡ʃə/ | aventura |
| disorder substantivo | /dɪsˈɔɹdɚ/ | desordem |
| eliminate verbo | /ɪˈlɪm.ɪ.neɪt/ | eliminar |
| lean verbo | /ˈliːn/ | inclinar |
| adrenaline substantivo | /əˈdɹɛnəlɪn/ | adrenalina |
| chronic adjetivo | /ˈkɹɑ.nɪk/ | crónico |
| enjoyment substantivo | /ɪnˈd͡ʒɔɪ.mənt/ | gozo |
| wander verbo | /ˈwɑndɚ/ | vagar, perambular |
| helpful adjetivo | /ˈhɛlp.fl̩/ | prestável, útil |
| ordinary adjetivo | /ˈɔɹdɪnɛɹi/ | ordinário, normal |
| psychology substantivo | /saɪˈkɑ.lə.d͡ʒi/ | psicologia |
Phrasal verbs que você vai ouvir
| Palavra | Significado |
|---|---|
| come back verbo | voltar |
| figure out verbo | descobrir, deduzir |
| go up verbo | subir |
| put together verbo | montar, construir |
| stress out verbo | estressar, stressar |
| turn up verbo | aparecer |
| come up with verbo | pensar (em), alcançar |
| finish up verbo | finalizar, terminar |
Frases que vale a pena repetir
Frases curtas e completas do vídeo que você pode usar na conversa do dia a dia:
- You see the difference between the two?
- Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could live without it entirely?
- How do we do it?
- How do we make it into our friend?
- What am I going to do in each case?
Gramática neste vídeo
As estruturas que o falante mais usa, com as palavras exatas do vídeo:
| Estrutura | No vídeo |
|---|---|
| Present perfect continuous have/has been + -ing — uma ação que começou antes e continua | has been going · you've been watching · I've been teaching |
| Frases condicionais if + oração, will/would + verbo — uma condição e seu resultado | If you say it, it will be |
| Present perfect have/has + particípio passado — uma ação passada que ainda importa agora | has been thought · it's been designed · we've ever seen |
| Voz passiva be + particípio passado — o foco está no que acontece, não em quem faz | has been thought · being harvested · be productized |
Pronúncia para ficar de olho
O falante usa 276 contrações e formas reduzidas, como you're, I'm, don't. Diga-as na forma curta, do jeito que você ouve.
- Os sons de “th”: algorithm /ˈælɡəɹɪðm̩/, therapeutic /ˌθɛɹ.əˈpjuː.tɪk/, sympathetic /ˌsɪm.pəˈθɛt.ɪk/, mathematics /mæθ(.ə)ˈmæt.ɪks/
- Os sons de “sh” e “zh”: anxious /ˈæŋkʃəs/, addiction /əˈdɪkˌʃən/, unusually /ʌnˈjuːʒuəli/, beneficial /ˌbɛn.ɪˈfɪʃ.əl/, elimination /ɪlɪmɪˈneɪʃ(ə)n/
- Palavras longas — acerte a sílaba tônica: anxiety /æŋˈzaɪ.əti/, eliminate /ɪˈlɪm.ɪ.neɪt/, adrenaline /əˈdɹɛnəlɪn/, ordinary /ˈɔɹdɪnɛɹi/, psychology /saɪˈkɑ.lə.d͡ʒi/
Sons difíceis para falantes de português:
- Consoante final — sem acrescentar um “i” depois: poet /ˈpoʊ.ət/, eliminate /ɪˈlɪm.ɪ.neɪt/, chronic /ˈkɹɑ.nɪk/, enjoyment /ɪnˈd͡ʒɔɪ.mənt/, default /dɪˈfɔlt/
- /l/ final — a língua toca o céu da boca, não vira “u”: protocol /ˈpɹoʊtəˌkɑl/, stressful /ˈstɹɛsfəl/, grateful /ˈɡɹeɪtf(ə)l/, experimental /ɪkspɛɹəˈmɛntəl/, beneficial /ˌbɛn.ɪˈfɪʃ.əl/
- /h/ — um sopro suave, diferente do “r”: happiness /ˈhæpinɪs/, helpful /ˈhɛlp.fl̩/, hormone /ˈhoɹmoʊn/, hemisphere /ˈhɛmɪsfɪə/, hungry /ˈhʌŋ.ɡɹi/
Como praticar com este vídeo
- Ouça o vídeo inteiro uma vez sem falar e anote as palavras que você não conhece.
- Comece na velocidade 0,75×, faça shadowing frase por frase e volte à velocidade normal quando ficar fácil.
- Grave a sua voz e compare com o original, prestando atenção a palavras como anxiety, happiness, poet.
O que é a Técnica de Shadowing?
Shadowing é uma técnica de aprendizado de idiomas com base científica, originalmente desenvolvida para o treinamento de intérpretes profissionais. O método é simples, mas poderoso: você ouve áudio em inglês nativo e repete imediatamente em voz alta — como uma sombra seguindo o falante com 1-2 segundos de atraso. Pesquisas mostram melhora significativa na precisão da pronúncia, entonação, ritmo, sons conectados, compreensão auditiva e fluência na fala.