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Oh, the mug has the little apple.
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I love that.
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It's all details here now, you see.
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Very sweet.
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I know.
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After 10 years, we finally got ourselves into shape.
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It's about time.
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Very apple.
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Any and every opportunity to see you, to say hello to you, to find out how your spirit is.
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I'm so glad that all of the above is happening in real time.
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How are you?
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Thank you.
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I feel the same way.
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As I was walking in, I was thinking I'd talk to you definitely more than some of my family members.
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In the sweetest way, just because you have been so wonderful and you've seen me through a lot.
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And it's been wonderful to see all of this happen for you.
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Thank you.
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I'm just, yeah, I'm in a really good place and I'm excited about what's happening.
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We're going to talk about that.
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And I just want to get this out of the way because it deserves to be honored and acknowledged.
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Congratulations on finding, you know, happiness with someone in your life.
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You get to share your experiences with.
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And I'm sure that it was a wonderful occasion, but doesn't it just get better in the days that follow,
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in the months and the years that will follow?
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I definitely can agree to that.
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It has been such a dream so far.
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And I know it'll come with ebbs and flows, but it's the most beautiful person that I could do that with.
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Yeah.
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Congratulations to both of you.
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I feel like when we first started speaking, you'd lived so much life already.
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And so it was actually pretty natural, I think, for the two of us who are curious about what goes on behind the music
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and is going on in the spirit of the human being to fall into a deeper place pretty quick.
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That being said, you have honored that work with increasing dedication in the years that have followed.
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I think about the last 10 years even
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And all the changes that went on When you put out
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Revival And the anniversary that's upon you
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And how much you've done for others
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Not just for yourself in that time I guess my question, Selena Is that when anniversaries come back around
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Do you allow yourself the grace
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To be able to acknowledge how far you've traveled?
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Definitely It doesn't mean that it's easy to Because sometimes
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You can get stuck in a place and I'm just finally happy to say that I don't feel stuck.
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It feels so beautiful and it feels wonderful
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and I think that's what I want to be now is everything
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and more of what I've been given in the past three years have been such a blessing.
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Does that change the way that you go about doing your work around
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Rare Impact Fund, helping others, non -profit organizations to increase awareness around mental health,
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when you're able to take a step back and have done the work, have better tools to help yourself,
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does it alter the way that you approach the work for others than it did
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when you were in it learning and contributing at the same time?
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I think when you have experienced something that another person has maybe felt in a different way,
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there's naturally this connection that you're able to connect with someone on a level of maybe it's trauma or,
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you know, codependency or whatever it feels like you, you can walk through that with someone, but it's never good to lean on someone.
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So it's always important to find, you know, the point of all of this, which is I'm grateful rare exists,
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you know, rare beauty has changed my life and I'm so grateful.
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But before we sold a single product, we made a promise that 1 % of sales will go directly to the Rare Impact Fund,
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which our goal is to raise $100 million in 10 years for mental health for youth all over the world.
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So we're already global, and we reach over 2 million people, and we have already seen the groundwork.
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We've seen what's been going on, and to know that behind every product that's going on is the biggest gift.
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Yeah, it's interesting, you know, the idea of Rare being helping people to discover, you know, to enhance their own external beauty,
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but also using it to contribute to that really important part of the equation, which is how do I feel about myself on the inside?
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Right.
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I think that was the whole reason
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Rare Beauty was created because I'm not gonna lie, I'm not sure I was really sure what would happen to me in the beauty space.
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I'm very comfortable in my lane with music and film and TV.
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But I thought it would be interesting to give it a go as someone who has never had real experience.
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I'm not that great.
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You know, I made people do this.
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So I feel like it's more so relatable.
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I wanted people to feel like they were able to tangibly do something because I'm not skilled in it.
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And then at the same time, you know, even our products have designs that are uniquely for people who have dexterity issues like myself.
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So arthritis or any sort of, you know, immune system, it kind of all helps.
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It's all a part of it.
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It's a brilliant balance between the aspiration of something like that, but also the acknowledgement that, you know, everybody's experience is going to be different.
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You talked about relatability.
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I think that comes from people recognizing that you've always been very unfailingly honest at where you are in your life.
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And I haven't had a chance to talk to you about
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what it is for people to look up to you even
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when you can't really look at yourself at that moment in time.
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And being happy now on some of those times when you were trying to establish a relationship with people and inspire people,
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but perhaps you weren't feeling particularly inspired yourself.
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In a way, yeah.
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That's why they say giving back actually in a way fulfills a need in you.
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I think when I was younger, the idea of being someone someone looked up to, it was way too much pressure.
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And now I just want to feel like I'm not someone to necessarily always look up to.
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It's more that I just have a mission.
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I have a purpose and behind everything that I do,
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there's always going to be a purpose from the projects I choose to the music I release.
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There's always a reason.
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There's always a meaning for me.
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At that moment in time.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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That's exactly where I can, what I can offer is where I'm at, who I am in that moment,
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whether that's complicated or not, I've always been honest.
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What's your relationship like with an album like
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Revival, taking that honesty into account?
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because like we said 10 years on what a beautiful life you have laid out for yourself now to enjoy
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and to benefit from all that work
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but there was you'd reached a crossroads from what i can
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remember back in 2015 where you were leaving some stuff behind and making some new choices yeah
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man it was fun i just remember feeling so liberated and however that that looked from good for you to
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all of these other, you know, same old love, it felt like I had a whole new rebirth.
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Yeah.
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And I just look at that time fondly and I'm so happy to celebrate it.
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What about like reflection in general though?
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You've got so much to look forward to when someone tells you, hey, it's been 10 years since you put an album out.
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You're just like, whoa, that's not on my bingo card right now.
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I'm like, wait, why?
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Wait, what?
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How did this happen?
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It's like, don't remind me of that.
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What are you talking about? that makes me feel weird but
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when you think about your music and what and
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and you know do you do you leave it behind
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when you've finished have you received what you need to get out of it
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and you leave it to other people to enjoy
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or do you like to reflect on your music after
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it's put out yeah no I think I just say it
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and leave it move on yeah I don't know
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I don't really think too into a certain song being anything other than what it was to me
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and I love how people have interpreted my music
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and what it stands for i'm very proud of that
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but i'm i'm also just i don't know i'm just equally as proud to do what i do every day
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and it frees you up to enjoy music as a fan i hope
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so you know and so let's talk a little bit about what
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that experience is a few years back i had a pretty
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sort of mind -blowing experience where something
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i'd never really given my time to a sort of form
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of modern ambient music presented itself to me yeah just showed up out of nowhere
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and changed a lot of things for me.
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I believe that.
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Really did.
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Like it put me on a path to starting a chill station here
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and change the way I make music and listen to music.
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And even how I heard heavy music,
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all of a sudden I could hear the ambience in it and it just opened up a whole side of me.
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So I'd love to know sort of how music shows up for you just in your life
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and how you choose to use it and not just to have a good time, but I mean, is it a tool in other ways?
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Is it a friend in other ways?
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I think music is, is, it's just the language that you want to feel and speak.
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Sometimes I'll listen to, I'm, I'm, everyone's different, right?
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When you listen to a song, what do you listen to first?
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I'm a lyrics girl.
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So I always am enticed by the cleverness, by the sadness, by the, um, hidden meanings behind anything.
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And that, that's thrilling because then I take it in as my version
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and i just those are the songs i remember the most and they're usually associated with
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some probably painful times but those are the best moments sometimes
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when you want to cry that's why people say just put on you know for me yeah what's one of yours joji
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Glimpse of Us, Joji, that one kills me every time.
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I need a good cry.
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Yeah.
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I have playlists.
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Oh, me too.
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To cry to?
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Yes.
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Like one of them is called Not Gonna Lie, This Shit Is Really Sad.
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That's what the name of my place is.
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I'd actually be intrigued to listen to that, though.
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Super honest, though.
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I think mine just says sad.
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That's it.
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Happy.
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Just super do it.
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Only link positive.
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I actually have a folder called Positive Music so if I want to only hear things that I can digest.
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So back to your point, music plays a huge part into what happens, I think, mentally.
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I was actually talking about it before we came in.
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Not sure if this is true, so I might be totally making this up right now.
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But there was a study about how they used three mice and they separated them and they had mazes, each of them.
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And in one, they played a certain type of music and another they played death metal type of really fun,
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but headbanging music, and then they did classical music.
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It affected each of the mice differently
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and how they went through the paths
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and how they went through the mazes to get to their end point and all of them were different.
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I don't know if that's true guys.
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Well, all I know is there is something neurologically that you feel, it's visceral.
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100%.
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I see it with my mother who has advanced dementia.
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We can't communicate conventionally anymore.
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There's just no conversations.
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Thanks, Lena.
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And it's happening a lot with a lot of people I know.
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So I only bring this up
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because I think it could help people who were in a
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similar situation to me where you sort of feel like you're lying to the person that knows you the best.
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And when you're not able to communicate conventionally with someone who really knew when you were lying,
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even as a kid, you feel like the biggest fraud of all time.
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And so the only way I could truly communicate with her was I would play music
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that she could relate to And boom, she'd be in the room
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Right there Oh, that gave me chills
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And, you know, I get an I love you back when music is playing
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And so it's really
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It's taught me a lot about the power of music and frequency
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And the notes and the truth that comes out of that
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And you feel that more than anyone when you make music
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Oh, definitely Even
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when I'm you know able to perform it live I feel it viscerally I feel the passion behind every word I say
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Every beat every moment I can hit
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It just makes it more satisfying because it comes from a place of honesty.
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I Had no idea that that's really I'm really sorry
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But it's really beautiful that you were able to find that and it is true
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That is communicating there were studies being done to to look into that I believe it
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Do you miss the cadence of performing live?
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I got to ask it.
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I know.
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I just, I think the only thing I genuinely miss is probably the interaction.
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I don't know about ever performing and I'm not going to say I would never again because who knows.
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And I'm always saying I'll never and then I'm back.
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So I'm fully aware of my tendencies.
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Of all of ours.
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Of all of our tendencies.
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But I do feel the connection is so strong
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when I'm on stage and I can actually feel the power of what my music stands for.
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And I don't know about award shows or any sort of shows.
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That's always very too vulnerable.
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It's also just not everyone's there to support what you're doing.
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There's a different feeling when you're on stage.
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It's very performative.
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It is.
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And sometimes I'm not good at that.
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I can I can act ish, but I'm also like not good at faking when I'm on stage that I'm you know,
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I think I did one performance where I thought I looked like a pop star.
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And I remember thinking, actually, all of that looks so awkward because it couldn't have been the opposite of, you know, who I am.
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But it is it's performative.
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And I'm not sure that's something
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I'm willing to entertain again however the idea of doing I don't know an acoustic set
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or some sort of soft version I would love to do
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that I miss being with fans for sure I feel like you've been whether you realize it
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or not I've been working really hard throughout a lot of your young adult
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and adult life to shed that skin of being quote -unquote a pop star
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or being something
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that can put on the costume yeah i think i just maybe got a little tired of
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that and i think what i get so much out of film
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and tv or any sort of performative creativity that isn't music is actually really
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It is another feeling that I can't really explain other than I connect with a character.
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I connect with the character's pain or I connect with the character's joy or relationships and with, you know, mother or fathers.
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And all of that's so interesting to me and I can dive into somebody else's world.
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But when you put yourself out there and it's just you, it can be a bit more frightening.
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And I think I was just a little tired of it.
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We saw it in the documentary.
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Totally.
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The beginning of the documentary is really hard to watch.
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I think the way you were describing it before about whether it's being in character
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or being in an environment where it's you and just the songs, isn't it a form of getting lost?
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Yeah.
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Like in a healthy way that we're searching for? Of course.
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I think that's the beauty of music too and film and TV at that is the escapism.
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being able to drown in whatever feeling or whatever emotion entices,
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you know, your brain in that moment.
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It is very, it's interesting what it can feel like.
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That's the closest thing to being present, I think.
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I agree.
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That's why I do this.
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You're paying attention.
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Yeah, that's why I do this.
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No, I know, and you're very good at it.
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Honestly, I don't need my therapy session later today.
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But you know what I mean?
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I mean, like I can only focus on what we're doing right now.
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I'm only enthralled in this experience right now.
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And so whatever's happening around is...
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That's the best thing in the world.
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And that's something I think I have to practice every day.
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And it is a practice.
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It is.
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It's a real practice.
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I'm very interested in, you know,
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Rare Impact because I think that the conversation again in the last decade of what it is to be particularly young,
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and experience mental health challenges, that there is a conversation that can be had now, which is kind of broad.
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You can find people to have specific one -on -one conversations, but there's also macro help.
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Yeah, of course.
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Big funds, like you're involved with coming in and saying, we hear you, we understand it's really important.
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When you think about purpose, even through all the challenges you've been through, can you sort of ladder it up to a greater purpose
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that ultimately your generation and who you were as a young artist, everything you went through.
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Is this your purpose in a strange way?
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A thousand percent.
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Just because I love being able to look at someone and say, I know, and not exactly your way, but I do know that feeling.
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And it's really difficult.
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One story that will forever be in my mind to the day I die was this young boy.
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He was eight years old and he was in the hospital.
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He had lupus and he was waiting to get, um, diagnosed and also for a transplant.
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I had experienced both.
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And when I walked into the room, he kept looking down and he was very nervous.
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So I, I kept asking the mother, is it okay that I'm here?
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Should I maybe just step out?
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And, and they insisted that he, he'd like me to stay.
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So I just kind of talked about the surroundings and tried to make him feel comfortable and, you know, didn't get in his space.
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And all of a sudden, as I'm rambling on about the drawings on the wall, he, he just looks down and says,
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is it true that you have lupus too?
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And I looked at him and I said, yes.
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And it was the first time that he looked up and he finally acknowledged me.
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And I remember thinking that's really powerful.
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That's really, that's something I register in my mind as that's why I went through it.
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So I don't look back and feel, oh, how miserable and I can't believe I had to go through that.
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I look back and say, all right, now how can I be there for someone else?
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now what's going to happen to someone who feels the same way
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and I don't think my life's any easier than it was
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I just have a better understanding of where I'm trying to regulate my emotions
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and what I need
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so my mission is is simply based on history my life um
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I'm grateful not at all sad my life wasn't easy
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but it same as anyone it could be worse it could be better
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I think everybody has their own life and their own experiences
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but it should all be acknowledged for what it is to each individual
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and I hope that's what I can do while I'm here on this earth
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I'll try to do the things that make me happy but I'll equally try to do the things that
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make me feel like I'm, I have a right to be here in a way.
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You talk about it in the new song.
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There's a brilliant line in the new song that reveals itself.
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I think you know the one I'm talking about, like when you're low, I feel low.
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And you could listen to that and you could feel like, oh, that's a personal statement towards someone you care about.
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And it can be.
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But I feel like it's more like what we're searching for
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and what we're missing as people is this idea that it's all transferable.
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And when you feel pain, how could I not feel pain?
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I agree.
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And I think that's something I really admire about the song.
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Now, to go back on it, it was a song that was from a long time ago,
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but it's become this gem that we've always kind of carried as eventually it'll have a home and then it did.
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But yeah, that's what the ultimate meaning of that song is, is that you are exactly any sort of thing that you are walking through,
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good or bad, I'm equally there.
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And no, it's not about anything or any relationship.
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It can be interpretive, but I genuinely think it is just a beautifully written song.
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I agree.
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And I had a great time, you know, working with everybody on it.
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I love that you could have had that
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and it meant something to you that was different in a way than how it feels now.
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Like what is time really in relation to songs?
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I don't know, but hopefully it just ages like fine wine.
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Music is just the best.
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You've had such a fascinating life today, and it's so wonderful hearing music come from you,
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and it's a blessing to be able to talk to you intermittently about life and things like that.
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And I don't want this to be too lofty a question, but in doing
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Rare Impact Fund and in caring about the greater, and not just the individual, what do you what is one thing that you have
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or are learning about the human experience
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that you feel is a is a is a through line for all of us
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that's something like rare impact fund is trying to highlight the lack of connection
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I think I'm guilty I'm sure we all are of the fact
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that our life is definitely you know ran by things that you social media and stuff all of that's given.
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I don't need to talk about it.
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But the lack of connection is real.
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So yeah, of course, take your breaks from Instagram or whatever platform you're on.
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But at the end of the day, these things are unavoidable.
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And you either have to figure out how to live with it,
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or just what I do sometimes just choose not to live with it for a while. But I miss it.
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I find when I take a break I'm able to actually miss
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and know and be curious about my friends and the world
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and life you know I knew the important things happening it was just more
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so how do I how do I find any more information
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or what my friend was doing last week I think it's great to be able to find
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that as a surprise and not just say oh I saw
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that and just heart the thing you know I don't know it does
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that makes sense it makes total sense
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and it's interesting i was talking to your friend taylor about
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the lyric in her new album where she talks about the era of careful discretion oh love
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that that was when i began careful discretion
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and i talked about how it feels like she's living a life less attached to careful discretion
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and living a human life regardless of how people perceive
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or read or comment or gossip that she's actively moving forward with her life and not being beholden to that.
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Does that make sense?
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Facts.
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One of the things I love about it is
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that I feel like we are now getting to see you enjoy being you
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and not have to shield that because of fear.
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That's accurate.
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Oh, I'm still terrified every day of my life, but it's gotten a bit easier
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when I just kind of let it go a bit you know i was working today this morning
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and i was doing interviews with steve and martin short um
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and i just they asked me one of the biggest lessons i could take away
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and and i said it's honestly not to take yourself too seriously
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but also don't give up on a joke until it doesn't land
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because they will keep it going until it's so bad
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that it's funny it is a gift they have
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and that's something I cherish that's something
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I feel deep down inside of how I look at life
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now it must have been wonderful to have worked with them
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and know that at
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that point in their life as they've lived getting close to living a beautiful full life
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that you can see like okay both of you have been exceptionally famous
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and yet they just seem to move with the dance through it.
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I'm telling you you would have the best time with them.
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They are just a They're just the best people and I'm so lucky.
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But I'm getting off track, sorry.
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No, no, I don't even know what track we're on.
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I just get any excuse to talk about Steve and Marty.
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Yeah, to me it's all one big track, which is that, you know, it's the life you've built for yourself.
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At the point of doing this interview as we near the end of this conversation, all too brief but beautiful nonetheless,
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the gala is ahead of us.
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You know, Jimmy Kimmel hosting it, the Marias performing at it, which is really cool because I love that band.
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And just nice for you to be able to acknowledge even just in a single moment all the work
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that happens left and right of that.
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So every year, well, it's only been three years so far.
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We're still pretty new.
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We've thrown a gala.
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And it's very traditional.
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We have things to auction for hopefully people to come and donate.
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And all the funds will go to the Rare Impact Fund.
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It's grown every year.
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But yeah, to have to have had
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Jimmy Kimmel, the Marias, everyone who's involved is nothing but elevation from where we've been.
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And I couldn't be more grateful because every year gets better and better.
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And it wouldn't be possible unless I felt like we were doing
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that work and I know and feel and can identify with
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so many people and it's probably one of my favorite parts of the entire creation of my cosmetics brand.
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Well, you know, ultimate respect to you for not just focusing on building a strong and powerful self -owned business,
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which in itself is an incredible achievement, but to take the time to be able to share the rewards in an environment,
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in an area, which again, I feel like we bonded on this at the start.
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There was something to where we landed very quickly, which was it's bigger than just music.
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Like if you'll allow me, let me try to, this is back in the day,
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let me try to figure out a pathway for us to talk about the deeper stuff.
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And you were unafraid back then, I feel like you still are.
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Yeah, if anything, I'm carrying less and less in a good way.
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That's good.
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Thank you.
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Vocabulaire et conseils d’expression pour cette leçon
Cette leçon d’expression orale s’appuie sur la vidéo « Selena Gomez: Revival, Live Performance & Philanthropy ». Cette vidéo contient 414 phrases et 4742 mots à répéter en shadowing. La partie parlée dure 27:36. Le locuteur parle à un rythme naturel d’environ 172 mots par minute, proche d’une conversation courante. 87 % des mots font partie des 3 000 mots les plus courants en anglais, le vocabulaire est donc facile à suivre.
Vocabulaire clé de cette vidéo
15 mots de la vidéo à retenir, avec leur prononciation et leur sens :
| Mot | Prononciation | Sens |
|---|---|---|
| acknowledge verbe | /əkˈnɑ.lɪd͡ʒ/ | reconnaître |
| connect verbe | /kəˈnɛkt/ | accoupler, connecter |
| grateful adjectif | /ˈɡɹeɪtf(ə)l/ | reconnaissant |
| communicate verbe | /kəˈmjuːnɪkeɪt/ | communiquer |
| equally adverbe | /ˈiːkwəli/ | également |
| discretion nom | /dɪˈskɹɛʃən/ | discrétion |
| curious adjectif | /ˈkjʊɹ.i.əs/ | curieux |
| congratulations | /kənˌɡɹæt͡ʃəˈleɪʃ(ə)nz/ | félicitations |
| sudden adjectif | /ˈsʌd.ən/ | soudain, subit |
| contribute verbe | /kənˈtɹɪb.jut/ | contribuer |
| documentary nom | /ˌdɒk.jʊˈmɛn.tɹi/ | documentaire, film documentaire |
| mouse nom | /maʊs/ | souris |
| emotion nom | /ɪˈməʊ.ʃən/ | émotion |
| chill verbe | /tʃɪl/ | se relaxer |
| genuinely adverbe | /ˈd͡ʒɛn.ju.ɪn.li/ | authentiquement, réellement |
Les verbes à particule que vous entendrez
| Mot | Sens |
|---|---|
| go through verbe | traverser |
| look up to verbe | respecter |
| figure out verbe | cerner |
| look back verbe | se remémorer |
| come back verbe | revenir |
| find out verbe | découvrir, savoir |
| get off verbe | descendre, faire descendre |
| give back verbe | rendre |
Des phrases à répéter
Des phrases courtes et complètes de la vidéo, à réutiliser dans la conversation de tous les jours :
- To be able to acknowledge how far you've traveled?
- I'm like, wait, why?
- What are you talking about?
- Do you miss the cadence of performing live?
- Is this your purpose in a strange way?
La grammaire de cette vidéo
Les structures que le locuteur utilise le plus, avec les mots exacts de la vidéo :
| Structure | Dans la vidéo |
|---|---|
| Present perfect have/has + participe passé — une action passée qui compte encore maintenant | have been · it's been · has been |
| Voix passive be + participe passé — l’accent est mis sur ce qui arrive, pas sur qui le fait | be honored · being said · I've been given |
| Propositions relatives who / which + proposition — une précision sur une personne ou une chose | this, which is · equation, which is · someone who has |
Prononciation à surveiller
Le locuteur utilise 146 contractions et formes réduites, comme I'm, don't, you're. Prononcez-les sous leur forme courte, telles que vous les entendez.
- Les sons « th »: nonetheless /ˌnʌnðəˈlɛs/, pathway /ˈpæθˌweɪ/, thrill /θɹɪl/, arthritis /ɑːˈθɹ(a)ɪtɪs/, enthrall /ɪnˈθɹɔːl/
- Les sons « sh » et « zh »: discretion /dɪˈskɹɛʃən/, congratulations /kənˌɡɹæt͡ʃəˈleɪʃ(ə)nz/, emotion /ɪˈməʊ.ʃən/, establish /ɪˈstæb.lɪʃ/, passion /ˈpæʃən/
- Mots longs — placez bien l’accent: communicate /kəˈmjuːnɪkeɪt/, congratulations /kənˌɡɹæt͡ʃəˈleɪʃ(ə)nz/, documentary /ˌdɒk.jʊˈmɛn.tɹi/, genuinely /ˈd͡ʒɛn.ju.ɪn.li/, naturally /ˈnæt͡ʃ.(ə.)ɹə.li/
Les sons difficiles pour les francophones :
- /h/ — il se souffle, il n’est pas muet: happiness /ˈhæpinɪs/, nowhere /ˈnoʊ.(h)wɛɹ/, highlight /ˈhaɪˌlaɪt/, enhance /ɪnˈhæns/, beholden /bɪˈhəʊldən/
- /tʃ/ et /dʒ/ — à ne pas adoucir en « ch » et « j »: acknowledge /əkˈnɑ.lɪd͡ʒ/, congratulations /kənˌɡɹæt͡ʃəˈleɪʃ(ə)nz/, chill /tʃɪl/, genuinely /ˈd͡ʒɛn.ju.ɪn.li/, naturally /ˈnæt͡ʃ.(ə.)ɹə.li/
- /r/ anglais — langue recourbée, sans frotter la gorge: grateful /ˈɡɹeɪtf(ə)l/, discretion /dɪˈskɹɛʃən/, curious /ˈkjʊɹ.i.əs/, congratulations /kənˌɡɹæt͡ʃəˈleɪʃ(ə)nz/, contribute /kənˈtɹɪb.jut/
Comment s’entraîner avec cette vidéo
- Écoutez la vidéo en entier une fois sans parler et notez les mots que vous ne connaissez pas.
- Commencez à la vitesse 0,75×, répétez phrase par phrase, puis revenez à la vitesse normale quand cela devient facile.
- Enregistrez-vous et comparez avec l’original, en faisant attention à des mots comme acknowledge, connect, grateful.
Qu'est-ce que la technique du Shadowing ?
Le Shadowing est une technique d'apprentissage des langues fondée sur la science, développée à l'origine pour la formation des interprètes professionnels. Le principe est simple mais puissant : vous écoutez de l'anglais natif et le répétez immédiatement à voix haute — comme une ombre suivant le locuteur avec un décalage de 1 à 2 secondes. Les recherches montrent une amélioration significative de la précision de la prononciation, de l'intonation, du rythme, des liaisons, de la compréhension orale et de la fluidité.