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so you don't have to wear headphones uh um personally i
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just don't like the nerdy big cans on my head podcast look so oh oh it's literally it's just that superficial
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it is just that superficial that is why we're not doing it i am vain
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hello it is a pleasure to have you it's a pleasure to be here Thank you for having me.
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You just walked through the halls of the New York Times.
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This is your first time here, right?
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It is my first time in this building.
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Yes, I saw the red staircase.
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And that really is the main thing, isn't it, that you think of when you walk through this.
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It's empty right now, though.
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We're here quite early.
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We are here quite early.
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So it's less bustling than you would want a cartoon newsroom to be.
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I will take that under advisement.
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It usually is busy.
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We are busy here normally.
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This is not an accusation of there's basically nothing happening here at the New York Times.
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So just as it happens, if you were looking for people throwing balled up pieces of paper at each other and yelling about deadlines, that was not my experience.
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Not your experience.
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Not yet.
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No. Not yet.
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We are in this very contentious political moment.
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And one of the things that I noticed was
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that you have said you've never wanted to cover a debate on your show.
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Yes.
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Is that still true? even though President Biden had this unbelievable debate in June that caused the race to upend itself.
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And the most recent debate with Kamala Harris and Trump, I mean, they've been pretty consequential.
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Yes, I guess the Biden -Trump debate was pretty consequential because Biden isn't the nominee anymore.
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So it'd be hard to push back on that.
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I guess it's very hard to say how consequential it is in real time, isn't it?
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That's the problem.
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It can feel very consequential, but you just don't know.
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And so I don't know what we could add to the commentary on those debates that isn't widely available everywhere else.
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It feels like to a certain extent, our show has moved into an area where we are very much slow cooking.
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And so there's not much there for us.
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Also, those debates tend to be pretty uninspiring to me.
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As a form of entertainment, yeah, you could definitely be entertained by what happened
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but you know what they actually mean i don't i don't know yet right
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and however much better it felt to watch it it is pretty depressing
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that it's this close that's i guess my aftertaste from it
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that it's still this close when everyone can see what you can see in
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that debate it's hard not to find that somewhere between depressing infuriating and outrageous
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last week tonight has been on the air for 10 years yeah and
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that maps pretty neatly onto the trump era you sounded like
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you're about to sigh then it's been on for 10 years
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no that's not what i was doing let me be clear um
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but when you look back what are the biggest ways
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that you think the show has changed so
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when we first began we were doing our main story in one week then it became clear
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that was a crazy thing to do it was a terrible way to set it up
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because we would come up with the idea for a story
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start writing three days later research would come in should wipe away everything
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that we just written so now you're trying to write the show in two days
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and that's not a good idea
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so now the answer to how our shows change is
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that we we write those main stories in six weeks
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so we're writing six stories at one time so
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that doesn't really relate to trump's role in the last 10 years
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but it's in terms of the development of our show
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that is the most critical part of it hmm you know
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it's funny going back to the first season as a viewer
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i found it to be remarkably similar no i mean yeah
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there's a consistency there i mean it as a compliment okay i was i was literally wincing both inside
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and outside you did this face like what is she gonna say i don't do many interviews about myself
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so i am i am kind of emotionally in a defensive position
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and unfortunately i think it's translating to my face
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because i i every time i say something just your face
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looks like you're absolutely you know having a very very difficult bowel movement
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and so i'm sorry wow let me start again all right um you know there is a consistency there
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and it does seem like you understood what you were up
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to quite early on i think we learned some big lessons early on
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because i guess one of them would be we did one story called prisons
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and it was about 16 minutes and
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that seemed like a long time at the time
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and i think what we gradually learned was it is crazy to try and talk about all
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the problems with prisons in 16 minutes, especially if two of those minutes are going to be a song with Sesame Street characters at the end.
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So since then, we've basically come back and redone that story in 20 different ways, because we've talked about prison labor,
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prison phone calls, prison recidivism, prison re -entry.
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There are so many different aspects to criminal justice that you can't just slap prisons on it and say, oh, we've done it now.
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In hindsight, I look back at that
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and do slightly wince thinking oh man we're moving really fast through some incredibly complicated aspects of this problem
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that deserve a lot more attention than we're giving it
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you know you obviously say you don't do journalism yeah i
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do see you as a sort of opinion columnist though i
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mean it does seem like an extended very pointed very deliberate crafting of an argument that you want people to understand.
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Does that resonate for you?
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Maybe.
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I mean, I think certainly by the end of the story, like the last few minutes of the story is opinion, right?
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That is so, right.
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Whenever we're saying, so what can we do?
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Everything after that probably is an opinion because people will feel differently about that.
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Everything up to that point is, it is what it is.
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Like we've so rigorously fact and legal checked everything up to that point.
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There's no real opinion or wiggle room in that.
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Well, I mean, opinion columnists also get fact -checked.
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I guess what I'm getting at, though, is not that facts are mutable, but you can choose the kinds of arguments that one puts forward, right?
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And so you're crafting a narrative about certain issues.
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I guess, right, centrally, we work really hard to make sure that we do incredibly rigorous fact -checking,
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both because we want it to be right, and
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if we're talking about companies, just basic self -preservation you don't want how big is your
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fact -checking team oh i mean we have six senior researchers six junior researchers
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and a whole bunch of lawyers so yeah a lot
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so yeah it's very very important i guess that's that's why i'm instinctively pushing back a little bit on this is
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i'm not saying you said it like this but this is uh this is just opinion that's of course you're right
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that how we feel about a story is probably present in terms of how we research it
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but i really can't stress enough how much work goes into making sure
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that we are totally right on the facts like
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if you're going to work this hard we're going to put our researchers through this.
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We're going to, for six weeks, looking at sometimes incredibly dour stories.
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If you're going to ask writers to write jokes with sometimes incredibly bleak material, you want to make sure that that stands up to scrutiny.
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That would be too depressing to make mistakes there.
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Talk to me about the process.
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Who comes up with the ideas?
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Well, everybody can pitch stories.
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Everyone on staff can pitch stories in our email channel, and then we'll give it to a researcher to say, is there something here?
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Like, has this story shifted in any way?
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Is now a good time to tell this story?
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They'll go away for two or three days, come back with a broad answer on that.
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If we feel like it's worth going forward, we'll add a footage producer to that story to check whether there's any footage to go with it, whether there's something that we can show to tell the story
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and then they will write packets over the next couple of
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weeks uh there'll be like a 400 page footage packet only
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100 page research packet the writers will have been following along
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with some of those meetings then they will take those packets
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away for a week write outlines jokeless outlines then we will
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combine those outlines then we will send them a way to
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write a draft that'll be another week then it'll be the production week
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and is it you that's deciding the topics myself
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and tim carvel we run the show together tim was at the daily show with me yeah
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and what are the ones that appeal to you the most that's a good question
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i guess what was there i'm blanking there was a story that we did recently that had tim and i
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bouncing in our chairs a little bit and walking away from it.
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Hospice care, Hawaii, RFK.
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Why are you going to hit me with hospice care?
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Hospice care was interesting, but I don't know that it was that.
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I don't know.
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I guess in general, it would be ones that feel really challenging,
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that it feels like we can bring something to with directing this machine that we built, directing them at a complicated,
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perhaps superficially unappealing story and getting something palatable and fun out of it.
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Either that, or I guess the really honest answer is something very, very dumb.
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So you have these heavy subjects and the two ways
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that I see in your show that you use comedy is either taking something
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that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand and just putting in something completely absurd to lighten it,
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to give it levity, to just have it be a kind of mood breaker
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or using things that are very much to do with the issue at hand, but are funny in and of themselves because people have said absurd things
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or they've you know they've done things that are just kind of crazy is
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that the kind of stuff that you're looking for the material
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that you're looking for after you've done the bones of you
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know this kind of big endeavor you mean once we've got the outlines of the story yes definitely that's
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that is the challenge for the writers and it's a really hard challenge
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but it's a really satisfying one as well and
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we try our best to put the writers in a position where they can succeed
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but I think we've got better at
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that over the years in the past we would sometimes be handing them stuff
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that is so dry and
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so bleak they justifiably would be sitting there going what do
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you what do you want me to do with this like
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this is a horrendous episode of like a comedic chopped i can't give you a cake out of these ingredients
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so now we try and like troubleshoot that on the way in
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so that they have stuff which is enough stuff which is light
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and funny enough that they can attack the material more directly
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so that you vary the jokes
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when it comes to pacing out the clips of the show
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that is something that we look at constantly but i guess
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that the first time that we really reckon with it is
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when we get the writers outlines and we combine them
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because then we're literally putting the story up on flashcards so
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that you can see it and this is going to sound ridiculous
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but we literally have like a blue star sticker that we stick on a clip that's really sad
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and red stars and ones that are very funny and
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so you want to make sure that you in terms of a blue star, really sad clip, you don't want many of those
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because those are really hard to write any joke off without it feeling incredibly glib.
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What you want is as many red star clips as you can.
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That's the challenge for the footage producers.
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So it's a hugely collaborative process.
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And at its best, it should be better than the sum of all of our parts.
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And how much does your view of the topic change over the course of the story?
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I mean, does the process confirm, strengthen, you know, your thinking or does it challenge it?
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Oh, it can definitely shift it.
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You can go, I mean, I guess one of the slightly dispiriting patterns you can find in researching these stories is some of the data
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that is most commonly passed around by activists can collapse there is some real as I'm sure, you know, garbage data passed around where it feels like,
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well, you've inflated this by 15 % and it really did not need to be.
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There's a perfectly usable stat that's slightly less than what you're saying, which you can actually stand on rather than this one, which is just nothing.
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That can be pretty annoying when foundational stats collapse under relatively minor scrutiny um
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but things are generally with some of these systemic problems worse than you thought
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when you start looking at them um it's relatively common
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that at some point in the story process
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that we've just talked about i'll walk into tim carvel's office
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and we'll look at each other after we've just learned a certain part of a story
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and say burn it down burn everything down to the ground you feel rage yeah
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because things are so much worse than you thought they were
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and you thought they were pretty bad then you have to work through
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that right because nihilism is completely useless that thick cowers way out so you work through that and
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i have found generally with these stories
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that the light at the end of the tunnel albeit
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that light might be smaller than you would like it to be ideally is
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that there are activists making small incremental progress on the ground, and that progress is really, really important.
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How do you not give into the nihilism?
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Because you delve into these very disturbing, bleak, some would say almost dystopian topics.
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Just classic comedy show fodder.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, you're still angry and going into, you know, your colleague's office and feeling furious.
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How would you not be, though?
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Unless you're a sociopath.
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Yeah, I don't know how you wouldn't be.
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I mean, the thing that's exciting about the show is that we have these resources,
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right, in a time when expertise has been absolutely put through a sausage grinder.
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We are very, very fortunate to have researchers who have access to great experts in a field, whatever that field may be,
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from criminal justice to deep sea mining.
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They will talk to us to make sure that we get something right
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and it is such a privilege to be able to find something interesting
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and then send a researcher away to talk to great experts
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in the field to get an answer it's it's having a machine for your own curiosity
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that is like the internet
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but it brings back reliable results do you know what else
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it's like what journalism well we let me let me say like with the journalism tag it's a little tricky right.
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I am not a journalist.
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I did not train as a journalist.
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We do have journalists working for our show.
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A lot of them.
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I'm glad someone's hiring journalists.
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Unfortunately, it might just be us.
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So yes, I am not a journalist, but they are for sure.
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But don't you think like saying that you're not a journalist
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or not acting as a journalist allows you to elide some of the accountability of journalism, right? Which is...
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Oh, that's interesting.
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I really hope that we don't elide that responsibility.
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I both don't think I'm a journalist because I really think I am not.
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I could send my researchers away for six weeks and I think they'll come back saying, yeah, you're not.
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But in terms of the responsibility of journalism,
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we do have intense fact -checking because we want it to be right.
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I mean, again, our stories are, those big stories are aggregations of incredible journalism.
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So it cannot function without journalism.
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Now we recheck it to make sure it's accurate or that it hasn't changed, but
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we're building this to make jokes it's just we want the foundations to be solid
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or those jokes fall apart those jokes have no structural integrity
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if the facts underneath them are bullshit so that's what's important
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because it's true sort of thing well it's only it's only funny
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if it's true right yeah and
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so it has to be true for it to be funny
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but i guess the why is are you trying to make
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the world a better place are you trying to no
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but i mean really what is the big what is the what is the big driving force here
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because some people would say i'm just want to make people laugh
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and entertain them uh some people would say yeah i want people to think about something
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and and and maybe um have a nice conversation over dinner with their husband
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you seem to have a much bigger aim here i will say the most important thing to me
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and and to lots of people at the show is to do this in service of writing really funny, weird jokes about interesting things.
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So that is our outcome.
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It's not necessarily to make the world a better place.
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I'm not sure that comedy can do that.
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To a certain extent, sometimes it's fiddling while Rome burns.
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But I think what we want is to get the best ingredients that we can to write comedy from.
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That's the really honest answer.
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It's the thing I love the most in the world.
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I love writing comedy so much.
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It's just, it feels like this is the best process through which we can write interesting, fun, surprising jokes.
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It seems to have made you uncomfortable that I've accused you of trying to make the world a better place.
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I guess the problem, I mean, this might be a hangup of being British.
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British people took a real stab at, if not making the world a better place, making it a more British place and it didn't go too well.
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So yeah, you don't want me involved in
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that um your segments now go on youtube after they air on sundays yes
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but this season for the first time hbo is delaying putting
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the episodes on youtube by four days yes i assume this is to encourage people to subscribe i assume
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that too yes to max the streaming service i take
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that that's frustrating to you yeah it's huge massively frustrating to
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me i was not happy with it at all i certainly can make the same assumption
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that you do which is
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that they want to make sure other people watch it i
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would prefer people watch the show in its entire form when it goes out
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this is a partly self -serving not just that i would like my employer to be happy but we do
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take a lot of effort to make sure
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that the show makes sense as a whole so that
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if we're doing a really bleak main story we like putting real dumb stuff around it
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but when we when we did death penalty drugs, the pentobarbital.
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Pretty bleak story.
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We made sure that we had a story after
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that about a stock photo model that we managed to fly in from Azerbaijan.
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i like the conflation of those two things so i would much rather people watched the show
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altogether because that's how we make it so i hope
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that they i hope it works because
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because i i i worry about it i i worry
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that i i i guess i i it remains to be proven to me that this was necessary
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are you worried about the method of distribution i mean we know
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that you know cable tv generally speaking is changing changing a lot a lot and definitely you know youtube is obviously
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exponentially growing and it's a place where a lot of different types of people come to get their content
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so you want everyone to see it in its full entirety
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but is it also that it reaches as just a different type of person?
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Yeah, I think that's what I was, what I love about having the show on YouTube at all, the A story, is that we can reach beyond HBO subscribers.
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I think that feels really important to me.
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I think it's a good advert for HBO.
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I think it reflected really well on them and still does, the fact that they released this main story.
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I really, really appreciate the fact that they do that.
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I would rather they did it straight after the show that we've always done it, but I'm very grateful that they are willing to still do it at all
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because I do think it's a good advert not just for our show
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but for the network because we are very lucky to have a big staff, right?
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That staff costs money
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and so we're lucky to have an employer that will pay the costs of our show which is small by their standards,
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by Dragon standards but, you know, not insignificant.
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I mean, do you see your show in the same format
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that it is? the same way
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that it is 10 years from now i mean i hope so if i'm still alive um you look healthy
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let me just say uh i'm gonna have to have
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that statement sent through this building's fact checkers
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and i don't think either of us gonna like the answer that comes back
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you look healthy you have to add some qualifying language to
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that for a 47 year old man with two children who's been through a pandemic recently
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and a stressful job albeit that stressful job isn't
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that stressful by general standards um uh yeah i i have no idea what the future is of uh television
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or of late night there will be a future um
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uh but i don't know what it's going to look like yet
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and i have an active interest for sure in knowing the answer to
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that last week tonight was renewed for another three seasons last
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year yes meaning it will be on the air till at
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least 2026 yes um what oh boy would make you feel
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oh boy i didn't like the way you said the word
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what there oh my god do you think you're doing what do you have planned over the next five years
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because i'd take any dream trips right now
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you should go you should go now i do not think you should go now
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but i am curious what would make you feel done with
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the show that's a good question i don't know i've seen
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i guess i worked with john stewart for a long time i saw him get exhausted
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so i know what that looks like um
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i saw him reckoning with the fact oh i don't know
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if i can do this in another i've done this in every possible way
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that i can do it uh and he was right about
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that but he can't really do it any better um i've not hit
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that point yet i still i still absolutely love making the
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show i i get excited like to your point of like bouncing up
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and down in the chairs when when we feel
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that we're onto something with a story
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or we've worked out something really dumb to do it's
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so fun maybe i've made this sound very academic the way
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that we make it the show but it's so fun i can't believe
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that we get to do it i can't believe
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that we get to ram stories down people's throats
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that they might not naturally want to hear and
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that they will watch it and i can't believe
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that we get to play with hbo's resources
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and do dumb things on fiscally irresponsible scales i love it
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so much so i guess my answer is
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that point might come i don't feel like i'm there yet
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because this is i still can't believe
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that we get to do this why haven't you ever had a fill -in host
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huh you mean like kimmel or like or like let him roll that way well like i mean it's a
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I hadn't considered that.
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I think it's a little tricky, not because I'm indispensable, because I don't think that's true.
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I think it's more that because of the way that we make the show, I don't think that would make any sense because there are these six -week cycles.
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So you would need someone, if I'm talking myself out of a job here, but you'd need someone to come in for one of those cycles, and that's a lot to ask of them.
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Honestly, we have a stand -in who does like a technical rehearsal that we've used from the start.
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He's pretty good.
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And we call him Hot John because he's pretty good looking as well.
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And sometimes you watch him do the rehearsal and think, oh, shit, that's pretty good.
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You have a stand -in called Hot John.
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That's not his name, but it's what the staff call him.
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And I think I've, really thinking about it now, I think I've participated in that joke without fully realizing that I'm the butt of it.
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John Oliver, thank you so much.
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You're welcome.
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Thank you.
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We'll talk again.
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Yes.
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After the break, I call John Oliver back and ask him about why he can't help but laugh at the hard stuff.
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Hey, Lulu.
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Hey, how are you?
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Good, thanks.
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Good.
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Buenos dias.
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Where are you?
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I'm in our office.
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So it should be quiet.
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It's before the dogs get here.
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Okay, I want to ask you something about our last conversation where you couldn't remember
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which episode it was that got you bouncing in your chair.
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Do you remember now?
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Oh, yes.
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Before then, I would say the thing
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that has been most rattling around my head since we talked is
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that I know that we spent a long time talking about the label of journalism.
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And I didn't want you to feel like I was dodging it there.
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I guess just to be completely clear, we really don't elide the responsibility of that term.
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The accuracy of our show is so, so important to us.
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We go to lengths that I think many would find absurd from the outside in terms of accuracy.
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We recheck reporting to check that it is still valid.
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When we show people in clips, we try and contact as many of them as we can to check
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that they felt their story was told accurately
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and whether there's any other context that we should know we do
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so much and the responsibility of that label is really important it just doesn't apply to me
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and i guess the thing that i wanted to get to the bottom of
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because it seemed interesting to me was because this comes up quite a lot
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and this felt like it would be this kind of conversation
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feels like it might be a good time to get to
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the bottom of it is i was wondering why it's
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so interesting to you or why getting to a fuller answer is it
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that you feel like i've dodged in in the past
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and how would you feel if i said yes to that
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that i am a journalist
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because my sense is you'd feel no you're not rightly um
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i think the reason it comes up a lot is because there is a sense that you are a news source,
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but you don't have the constraints that journalists have, right?
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You can, for example,
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take a topic that is very complicated and difficult and put in a lot of jokes to make it arch or funny,
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to sort of move the audience in a particular direction and
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so i think there is this sort of dissonance that happens
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when journalists like myself are engaging with this we're curious about
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how you view yourself i mean i don't think it's like
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a it's not a knock it's more just trying to understand how you view yourself
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and your show and where it sits in the ecosystem right that's it yeah yeah
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and i guess that is where much of the show would be, I guess, to that first comparison you made would be more editorial, right?
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It's just that, I guess, what I, I guess when I recoiled at being described as an op -ed was,
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was not wanting the worst version of that to be applied to this show, not just someone deciding I'm going to say my opinion, because it is not just that.
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To get back to a point that I wanted to make, because I think this is useful to the discussion that we've been having is, do you remember which episode it was that got you bouncing in your chair?
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I do.
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And it was an episode recently because I remember the literal bounce and it was, we were working on an episode about the West Bank.
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And I think what I was so excited about was the challenges
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that were ahead of us and the material that we were gathering and the opportunity that we had.
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And it really felt to me in working on that story, it felt like, oh, this is the point of having a show where you can talk about whatever you want to talk about.
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This is kind of using that incredible opportunity. to do something hard.
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I found this episode fascinating.
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I was in Jerusalem as a reporter for many, many years.
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This stuff is really hard.
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Yeah.
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That episode talks about the Israeli settlements.
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And you really tried to parse what is very complicated and very nuanced, and you packed a lot in.
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So what was the reception after it went out?
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I'm sure some people liked it, some people loved it, and some people hated it do you pay attention to
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that um i like paying a little bit of attention in
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the wake of our stories especially regarding how experts respond to it in stories in general i know
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that people aren't always going to agree with the conclusions
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that we land on um but i do want experts to think that the information that we presented is accurate.
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It raises this question for me about something you said when we first talked.
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Basically, that you ultimately see the show and the stories you focus on as a vehicle to write jokes.
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Yeah.
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And I can see that logic when you're doing a piece about corn or UFOs, for example.
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Both very funny.
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And you don't see the logic applying to something that's more complicated.
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You don't do a half an hour about one of the most contentious issues in the world because it's comedy gold.
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Do you? oh i mean that's that's an interesting perspective i
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guess comedy is the the way i handle the world
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so it's the darkest moments of my life i still find myself compelled to try
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and make jokes either to take the weight off some of what's happening
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or to sometimes to feel what's happening a bit more i
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find people employing comedy at moments of tragedy incredibly meaningful i know some might find it glib
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or offensive to me it is the absolute opposite of that when done well i still think one of the
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one of the best moments in late night comedy over the last decade
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was uh jimmy kimmel talking about his son billy's heart surgery it was incredibly generous
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to be so emotionally honest and raw uh it was incredibly brave to be
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that honest knowing
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that people were gonna ask him how his son was every day for the rest of his life after
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that and and this is the most important thing to me it was really funny
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and the fact that he was telling jokes
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while choking through tears was the thing
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that really really meant something to me it was more sincere
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because he was communicating through jokes explain that to me it was more sincere
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because he was communicating through because it's how because it's like i i love comedy so much it It is, like I say, it has been,
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it's my favorite thing just in general in the world.
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So I do not see a distinction between how could you joke about this?
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For me, it's more like how could you not?
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How could you not tell jokes about a situation that is absolutely absurd?
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Darkly absurd, but absurd. Does that make sense?
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And that would apply to the West Bank, too.
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Do you think it also gives, I'm thinking of Jimmy Kimmel in particular, do you think it also gives people access to very uncomfortable emotions?
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Probably.
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And for me, look, I'm British, right?
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So my ability to deal with my emotions is, and has been, limited at best.
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The very fact that I'm telling you, yeah, I find it better to laugh at things rather than
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you know feel them sincerely as a human being says something what i found
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so meaningful about jimmy's thing was i had had um
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of our first child's pregnancy was really difficult
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and i just couldn't i couldn't talk about it in general
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i certainly could not do anything as generous as deciding to talk about it publicly
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so that the people who would also experience situations like
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that could feel
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that their experiences were being reflected back at them i i didn't have the emotional ability
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or even the comedic abilities to do that so that's why i was
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so in awe of what he was doing in the crucible of
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that pain it was just this absolutely incredible as a
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as a comedian what he managed to do
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and yet for me the fact i was laughing along with
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a lump in my throat made it way more impactful for me has being a parent exacerbated
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that burn it down feeling that you mentioned about some of the ways the world is messed up or the opposite
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i do remember after the brexit boat happened looking at my baby son and thinking
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oh this is sad your horizons have slightly contracted
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because you know he would have been able to have a british passport
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which would have been an eu passport meaning that he could live
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or work anywhere in the eu which for young people in britain was a massively
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consequential thing to have access to my little sister left college
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went straight to france started washing dishes in a bakery ended
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up learning to bake now she's a pastry chef like
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that the ability to move having those borders opened massively consequential and
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so i i will say there was a selfish side of
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me watching about looking down at me thinking oh your world got smaller that's very sad
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but no in general my my feeling of let's burn it down
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when we're at a point of researching a story where things seem utterly hopeless
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and the history that we have of working through that despair partly by seeing the incremental changes that are possible
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um that's probably pretty consistent i don't think they've really changed
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changed my disgust with the political process
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and my hope for better are you going to talk about
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that with your kids at the dinner table are you going to be
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that dad oh god i mean it's a really fair use of
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that dad there i mean that actually in the best possible way
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uh how do you mean am i gonna say to them things are unfair just like sit
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and talk about the state of the world
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and have them be engaged in it and yeah i'm probably gonna be
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that dad i mean my husband's like that with our daughter
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and she loves it some days and hates it others yeah of course i think
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that feels like an utterly human response to that
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but there's a time and a place for this dad can we can we please talk about something else now
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john oliver this has been an absolute pleasure thanks lulu i appreciate it
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שיעור הדיבור הזה ברמה C1 מבוסס על הסרטון “Sometimes John Oliver Wants to ‘Burn Everything Down’”. בסרטון הזה יש 507 משפטים ו-6273 מילים לתרגול Shadowing. הדיבור נמשך 37:23. הדובר מדבר בקצב טבעי של כ-168 מילים בדקה, קרוב לשיחה יומיומית. 85% מהמילים נמצאות בין 3,000 המילים הנפוצות ביותר באנגלית; כדאי ללמוד את השאר לפני שמתחילים.
אוצר מילים מרכזי בסרטון הזה
15 המילים המתקדמות ביותר בסרטון, עם ההגייה והמשמעות שלהן:
| מילה | הגייה | משמעות |
|---|---|---|
| absurd שם תואר | /əbˈsɜːd/ | אבסורד |
| outline שם עצם | /ˈaʊtlaɪn/ | קו מתאר |
| packet שם עצם | /ˈpæk.ɪt/ | חֲבִילָה |
| hospice שם עצם | /ˈhɑspɪs/ | הוספיס, מרכז לטיפול תומך |
| depressing שם תואר | /dɪˈpɹɛsɪŋ/ | מדכא |
| frustrate פועל | /ˈfɹʌsˌtɹeɪt/ | תִּסְכֵּל |
| superficial שם תואר | /ˌsupɚˈfɪʃəl/ | שִׁטְחִי |
| rehearsal שם עצם | /ɹɪˈhɝsl̩/ | חֲזָרָה, תִּרְגּוּל |
| ingredient שם עצם | /ɪnˈɡɹiːdi.ənt/ | מרכיב, מצרך |
| sincere שם תואר | /sɪnˈsɪɹ/ | כֵּן, כֵּנֶה |
| albeit | /ɔlˈbi.ɪt/ | אַף כִּי, אַף עַל פִּי |
| tricky שם תואר | /ˈtɹɪk.i/ | טְרִיקִי |
| passport שם עצם | /ˈpæspɔɹt/ | דַּרְכּוֹן |
| subscriber שם עצם | /səbˈskɹaɪbɚ/ | מָנוּי |
| disturb פועל | /dɪˈstɜːb/ | הפריע |
Phrasal verbs שתשמעו
| מילה | משמעות |
|---|---|
| come back פועל | שָׁב |
| go out פועל | יָצָא |
| fall apart פועל | התפרק, מט לנפול |
משפטים שכדאי לחזור עליהם
משפטים קצרים ושלמים מהסרטון שאפשר להשתמש בהם בשיחה יומיומית:
- Does that resonate for you?
- Whenever we're saying, so what can we do?
- How do you not give into the nihilism?
- How would you not be, though?
- For me, it's more like how could you not?
דקדוק בסרטון הזה
המבנים שהדובר משתמש בהם הכי הרבה, עם המילים המדויקות מהסרטון:
| מבנה | בסרטון |
|---|---|
| הווה מושלם (Present perfect) have/has + past participle — פעולה שקרתה בעבר ועדיין יש לה חשיבות או השפעה עכשיו | have said · they've been · has moved |
| סביל (Passive voice) be + past participle — הדגש הוא על מה שקורה, לא על מי שעושה את הפעולה | be entertained · has been absolutely put · be proven |
| משפטי זיקה (Relative clauses) who / which + clause — מידע נוסף על אדם או דבר | stuff which is · ones that are · one, which is |
הגייה ששווה לשים לב אליה
הדובר משתמש ב-163 קיצורים וצורות מקוצרות, כמו don't, I'm, you're. אמרו אותם בצורה הקצרה, כפי שאתם שומעים אותם.
- הצלילים של “th”: strengthen /ˈstɹɛŋ(k)θən/, altogether /ɔl.tuˈɡɛð.ɚ/, underneath /ˌʌndɚˈniθ/
- הצלילים של “sh” ו-“zh”: consequential /ˌkɑnsɪˈkwɛnʃəl/, contentious /kənˈtɛn.ʃəs/, superficial /ˌsupɚˈfɪʃəl/, emotionally /ɪˈməʊʃənəli/, preservation /ˌpɹɛz.əˈveɪ.ʃən/
- מילים ארוכות — שימו לב להטעמה: consequential /ˌkɑnsɪˈkwɛnʃəl/, superficial /ˌsupɚˈfɪʃəl/, ingredient /ɪnˈɡɹiːdi.ənt/, consistency /kənˈsɪs.tən.si/, emotionally /ɪˈməʊʃənəli/
צלילים שדוברי עברית מתקשים בהם:
- /w/ — שפתיים מעוגלות, לא /v/: consequential /ˌkɑnsɪˈkwɛnʃəl/, wipe /waɪp/
- /æ/ — פתוח יותר מה-“אֶ” העברית, לא כמו “a” ב-“cup”: packet /ˈpæk.ɪt/, massively /ˈmæs.ɪv.li/, advert /ædvˈɝt/, passport /ˈpæspɔɹt/, fascinate /ˈfæsɪneɪt/
- /r/ — הלשון לא נוגעת בשום מקום, לא ה-“ר” הגרונית: researcher /ˈɹiˌsɝ.t͡ʃɚ/, depressing /dɪˈpɹɛsɪŋ/, stressful /ˈstɹɛsfəl/, frustrate /ˈfɹʌsˌtɹeɪt/, rehearsal /ɹɪˈhɝsl̩/
איך לתרגל עם הסרטון הזה
- הקשיבו לכל הסרטון פעם אחת בלי לדבר, ורשמו את המילים שאתם לא מכירים.
- התחילו במהירות 0.75×, תרגלו Shadowing משפט אחר משפט, וחזרו למהירות רגילה כשזה מרגיש קל.
- הקליטו את עצמכם והשוו למקור, תוך תשומת לב למילים כמו absurd, outline, packet.
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