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This is Max and Mia Podcast.
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Hi everyone, welcome back to Max and Mia Podcast.
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Good to have you here with us again.
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Really good, actually.
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Whether this is your first time tuning in or you have been with us for a while, we are glad you are here.
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We are.
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And today we are bringing you a challenge in the best way possible.
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Exactly.
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We are focusing on C1 -level conversations today.
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A bit more advanced than what we usually do, yes, but do not let that put you off.
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Not at all.
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If you are somewhere around B1 or B2, you are going to get a lot out of this.
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Trust us.
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And honestly, even if you are still working your way up from A2, stick around sound,
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you might be surprised by how much you pick up just by listening.
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That is kind of the whole point, right?
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You do not always have to understand every single word to learn something valuable.
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Right.
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And by the time we wrap up today, we are pretty confident you will walk away with something useful for your English,
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whether it is new vocabulary, a phrase, or just a better feel for how the language flows at a higher level.
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So, no more waiting around.
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Let's do it.
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Alright, so let's get into our first segment.
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And this one is very real, very practical.
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It is.
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We are talking about those conversations that can get a little… tense.
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You know, the ones.
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Politics comes up at dinner, someone starts debating a sports call that ended the game, maybe someone brings up salaries at work,
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or the topic shifts to social issues and suddenly the whole room feels different.
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Right.
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Those moments where you are thinking, okay, I have an opinion, but I also really do not want this to turn into a whole thing.
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Exactly.
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And the truth is, in English, there are ways to handle those situations that are smooth,
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mature, and honestly, very natural for native speakers.
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You just probably were not taught them in class.
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So we thought, why not go through some of those key phrases together?
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Not in a boring way, just kind of talk through them.
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Because some of the things we default to in English when we are uncomfortable, they can actually make the situation worse.
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Yeah, like, okay, Mia.
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How many times have you heard someone just say, I don't know, or I don't want to talk about this when something uncomfortable comes up?
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All the time.
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And look, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to engage, but the way you exit that conversation matters.
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I don't know can come across as dismissive, like you did not even consider what the other person said.
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So what would be a better way to handle that?
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Something like, I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions without knowing all the facts.
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It does the same job.
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You are not committing to a position, but it sounds thoughtful.
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It sounds like you actually respect the topic.
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That is a good one.
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And it buys you time, too, without sounding like you are shutting the conversation down.
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Exactly.
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Now, what about when you just want it to stop?
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Like, the conversation has gone on too long, and you can both feel the tension building?
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Right.
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And again, let's stop talking about this is a little blunt.
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It can feel like a door being slammed in someone's face.
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So instead, you go with something like, let's just agree to disagree on this one.
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Much softer.
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You are acknowledging there is a difference of opinion without making anyone feel like they lost the argument.
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Or even, we might just have to leave it there before we open a can of worms.
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Which I love, by the way.
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That one is great because it actually has a bit of humor to it.
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A can of worms, for those of you who are not familiar, basically means a situation that, once you get into it,
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just keeps getting more and more complicated.
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Like, we could start talking, but then one thing leads to another,
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and suddenly we are I don't know arguing about something completely different from where we started.
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Which happens a lot with certain topics.
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And then the last one, and this is one I think a lot of people need,
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what do you do when you genuinely disagree but you do not want to come out swinging?
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Because I completely disagree is very direct.
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It puts you on opposite sides right away.
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Right.
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So instead, you soften it.
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I wouldn't quite go that far.
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It still signals that you do not fully agree, but it does not feel like a confrontation.
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Or even just, that is one way of looking at it, which is actually brilliant because you are not agreeing.
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You are not disagreeing.
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You are just acknowledging their perspective exists.
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And sometimes that is all you need.
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Just enough to keep things civil and move on.
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All right.
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So now that we have those in our back pocket, let's actually see them in action.
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Yes.
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So picture this.
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You are at work.
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It is a regular Tuesday morning.
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You have got your coffee.
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You are settling in.
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And then your co -worker walks in, the one who always, always has something to say about what is going on in the news.
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We all know that person.
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We really do.
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And today the topic is politics.
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And at some point, you find yourself actually wanting to respond, but you also know this co -worker, and you know how these things can go.
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So how do you hold your ground without starting a whole debate before 10 a .m.?
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Let's listen in.
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Dude, did you see the vote last night?
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They shot down the infrastructure bill.
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Again.
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Yeah, I saw that.
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Third time in what, two years?
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Something like that, and I just do not get it.
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Roads are falling apart, bridges are decades past their inspection dates, and somehow it always comes down to who gets the credit for fixing it.
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I mean, it is not just about credit, though.
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Part of the pushback is where the money is coming from.
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You cannot just throw $3 trillion at something and not talk about how that gets paid for.
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Okay, but Derek, at some point you actually have to spend money to maintain a country.
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That is just, that's just how it works.
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Nobody is saying don't spend money.
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I'm saying there has to be a plan.
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You can't keep kicking the debt down the road and pretend it doesn't matter.
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Man, you sound like my dad.
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Your dad might be on to something.
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Look, I want the roads fixed, too.
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I drive on them.
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But I also don't want my kids inheriting a completely broken economy because we couldn't figure out how to budget properly.
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Fair enough.
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And honestly, that is the frustrating part, right?
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There is a real conversation to be had about how to fund it responsibly, but nobody in Washington is actually having that conversation.
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It just turns into each side trying to make the other look bad.
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That is exactly it.
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And the media does not help.
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You watch one channel and the bill was going to save America.
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You watch another and it was basically socialism.
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The same bill.
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The exact same bill.
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And then people wonder why nobody can agree on anything.
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Half the country is working off completely different information.
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That drives me insane.
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And it bleeds into everything, like immigration.
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Do you know how hard it is to even have a calm conversation about immigration anymore?
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Do not even start with immigration.
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We will be here all day.
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Okay, okay, but you know what I mean.
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It is like any topic that actually matters has been turned into a grenade.
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You bring it up and everyone just braces for impact.
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Which is why I think most people have just checked out.
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They are tired.
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They do not trust the institutions, they do not trust the media, and honestly, at this point, they barely trust each other.
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That is a pretty bleak way to look at it.
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I wouldn't quite go that far as to say it's hopeless, but it's, it's not great.
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Something has to give at some point.
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I think it starts locally, honestly.
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Like at the city level, the state level.
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That is where you actually still see some things getting done.
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That is one way of looking at it, and I don't disagree.
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Local politics actually feels like it still has some functioning gears.
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Right?
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Like people forget that not every election is a presidential race.
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Some of the stuff that affects your daily life most gets decided way closer to home.
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And those are also the races where one person actually showing up can make a difference, which sounds corny, but it's true.
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It does sound corny, but yeah.
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All right, we should probably get back to work before someone walks in and thinks we were starting a podcast.
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Yeah, we might just have to leave it there before we open a can of worms. Was that...
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I have been waiting to use that all morning.
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Okay, so, Tyler and Derek.
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I feel like we all know a Tyler and Derek.
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Right?
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That conversation is happening in break rooms everywhere, every single morning.
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And what I think is worth pointing out is how neither of them really won the argument.
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And that is kind of the whole point.
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Exactly.
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The goal was never to win.
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It was to stay in the conversation without blowing it up.
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And you noticed how Derek used, I wouldn't quite go that far, when Tyler said things were bleak.
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He pushed back, but gently.
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No drama.
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And then the ending.
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We might just have to leave it there before we open a can of worms.
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Perfect exit.
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Clean.
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A little bit of humor.
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Nobody walks away feeling attacked.
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Which is the dream.
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Honestly.
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Because these conversations do not have to end badly.
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They just need the right tools.
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And now you have a few more of those in your back pocket, so keep them close.
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Alright, moving on to our next conversation.
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And this one hits close to home for a lot of people.
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Very close.
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Like monthly close.
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Exactly.
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We are talking about something that has quietly taken over the way we consume pretty much everything.
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Music, movies, software, games, news, fitness apps, cloud storage.
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At some point, it stopped being about buying things and became about renting access to things.
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And most people just… accepted it without really questioning it.
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There is actually a phrase that keeps coming up in these conversations.
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Why do we monetize everything?
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Like, when did that shift happen?
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When did owning something become the exception instead of the rule?
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I remember buying a CD, putting it on a shelf, and that was mine.
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Nobody could take that away.
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Now you pay for a streaming platform for 10 years, and the moment you cancel, it is like none of it ever existed.
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And it is not just music.
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Think about software.
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People used to buy Microsoft Word once.
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Done.
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Now it is a subscription.
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Adobe subscriptions.
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Even video games are heading that way with the whole live service model.
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You are not buying the game anymore.
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You are buying access to the game.
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There is a difference and it is not a small one.
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And this is exactly what Rachel and Michael get into in our next conversation.
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Two friends, Completely different takes on this whole thing.
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One of them has kind of made peace with the subscription model.
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The other one is not having it.
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And it gets interesting because it is not just about money.
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It goes a bit deeper than that.
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Ownership, trust, what it even means to value something.
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So, pay close attention to how they handle the disagreement agreement.
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You are going to hear some of those phrases come up again, and a few new ones too.
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Let's get into it.
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Okay, so I finally caved and got yet another subscription last night.
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And I sat there after signing up just thinking, when did this become normal?
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What was it this time?
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A recipe app.
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A recipe app, Michael.
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My grandmother had a box of index cards and fed eight people.
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I am paying $4 .99 a month to be told how to boil pasta.
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Okay, but to be fair, you are not just paying for the recipes.
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You're paying for the convenience, the interface, the updates.
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That is exactly what they want you to think.
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That is the whole pitch.
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You are not buying a product.
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You're investing in an experience.
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And we just bought it.
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All of us.
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I mean, I get the frustration, but I don't think it's all bad.
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Like, I used to buy software and two years later it was completely outdated
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and I had to buy the whole thing again anyway.
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At least now, I always have the latest version.
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But that's the thing!
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You never actually had the software to begin with anymore.
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You're licensing it.
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There's a clause somewhere in every one of those terms and conditions that basically says, we can take this away from you whenever we feel like it.
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Okay, that's a bit of a stretch.
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Is it, though?
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Remember when Microsoft pulled certain features from accounts that were on lower -tier plans?
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Or when Adobe just killed off apps people had been using for years?
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No warning.
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No refund.
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Just gone.
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That… yeah, that did happen.
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And that was genuinely bad.
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But I think you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater a little bit.
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Not every subscription model is predatory.
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I am not saying they are all predatory.
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I am saying the whole system is designed so
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that you never actually own anything and most people have just normalized it without stopping to think about what they gave up.
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What did we give up though?
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Because I actually think I consume more things now than I ever did when I had to buy everything individually.
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More music, more shows, more books.
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But do you value any of it the same way?
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What do you mean?
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Like when you bought a CD or a DVD, you chose it deliberately.
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You spent money on that specific thing and it meant something.
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Now you open an app and scroll for 20 minutes and watch half of something and move on.
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Nothing sticks.
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Okay, I hate that you have a point there.
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The attention economy and the subscription economy go hand in hand.
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The less you own, the less attached you are, the more you just keep consuming and paying and consuming and paying.
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I would not quite go that far.
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Like, I do not think it is some coordinated conspiracy to keep us on a hamster wheel.
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Now, it doesn't have to be a conspiracy to still be a problem.
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It just has to be profitable.
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And it very clearly is.
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You know what?
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I genuinely do not know how to argue with that.
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Good.
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Now cancel something tonight.
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Anything.
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Just on principle.
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I'm not cancelling anything tonight, Rachel.
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Worth a shot.
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Okay.
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Rachel wasn't holding back at all.
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Not even a little.
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And Michael held his ground for a while, which made it interesting.
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He was not just agreeing to keep the peace.
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He actually pushed back.
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Right, and that is what made it a real conversation.
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But let's talk about some of the language in there because there were some really solid expressions worth breaking down.
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First one, and Rachel used this early on.
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That is exactly what they want you to think.
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Very natural way to challenge someone's reasoning without directly calling them wrong.
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You are not attacking the person.
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You are questioning where the idea came from.
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Then there was throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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Michael used that one.
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It basically means rejecting something entirely, including the good parts, just because there are some problems with it.
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Really common expression in debates like this.
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And a useful one because it actually moves the conversation forward.
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Instead of just saying, you are being too extreme, you give it a name.
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It sounds a lot more measured.
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Then, Rachel hit him with, do you value any of it the same way?
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And just let that sit there.
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Sometimes the most powerful thing in a conversation is a question you do not immediately answer.
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It makes the other person actually stop and think.
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Which Michael did.
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He paused.
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And then he said, I hate that you have a point there.
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Which is honestly one of the most genuine things you can say when someone lands a good argument.
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It is disarming, it keeps the tone light, and it shows you are actually listening.
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And then toward the end, Michael used, I wouldn't quite go that far again, which we talked about earlier.
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You saw it in context this time.
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He was not shutting Rachel down.
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He was just pulling back slightly from her conclusion without dismissing everything she said.
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And Rachel's response to that was sharp.
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It does not have to be a conspiracy to still be a problem.
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It just has to be profitable.
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That is a really clean way to reframe an argument.
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She basically said, you are arguing against something I never claimed.
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Which in English we sometimes call a straw man,
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when someone argues against a version of your point that is slightly more extreme than what you actually said.
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And Rachel caught it and corrected it without making it a whole thing.
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Great conversations, great language, and hopefully a few things you can actually take into your next uncomfortable discussion.
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Alright, before we go, if you made it this far, first of all, thank you.
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Genuinely.
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This kind of episode takes a little more focus, and we really appreciate you sticking with it.
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And if you got something out of today, the best thing you can do is leave us a comment.
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Tell us which expression you are going to actually use, which conversation felt most real to you, or just say hi.
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We read everything.
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Also, if you are not subscribed yet, now is a good time.
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New episodes drop regularly and we would love to have you back.
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And if this episode was useful, share it with someone who is working on their English.
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That is honestly how this grows, one person passing it along to another.
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Alright, that is a wrap on today's episode.
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Take care of yourselves, keep the conversation civil, laughs, and we will see you in the next one.
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See you then!
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Thank you.
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Лексика и советы по произношению к этому уроку
Этот урок разговорной практики построен на видео «Real English Conversation Practice». В этом видео 331 предложений и 3144 слов для шедоуинга. Речь длится 21:14. Говорящий держит ровный темп — около 148 слов в минуту, удобный для шедоуинга. 87% слов входят в 3000 самых частых слов английского языка, поэтому лексика простая.
Ключевая лексика этого видео
15 слов из видео, которые стоит выучить, с произношением и значением:
| Слово | Произношение | Значение |
|---|---|---|
| subscription существительное | /səbˈskɹɪpʃən/ | подпи́ска, абонеме́нт |
| topic существительное | /ˈtɑpɪk/ | те́ма, предме́т |
| disagree глагол | /dɪsəˈɡɹi/ | не соглаша́ться |
| argue глагол | /ˈɑɹ.ɡju/ | спо́рить, обсужда́ть |
| phrase существительное | /ˈfɹeɪ̯z/ | фра́за, выраже́ние |
| consume глагол | /kənˈsum/ | потреблять, расходовать |
| worm существительное | /wɝm/ | червь, червя́к |
| immigration существительное | /ˌɪmɪˈɡɹeɪʃən/ | иммигра́ция, переселе́ние |
| conspiracy существительное | /kənˈspɪɹəsi/ | сго́вор, за́говор |
| recipe существительное | /ˈɹɛs.ɪ.pi/ | реце́пт, спо́соб |
| uncomfortable прилагательное | /ʌnˈkʌm.fɚ.tə.bl̩/ | неудо́бный, некомфорта́бельный |
| cancel глагол | /ˈkæn.sl̩/ | зачёркивать, зачеркну́ть |
| podcast существительное | /ˈpɑdˌkæst/ | подка́ст |
| pocket существительное | /ˈpɑ.kɪt/ | карма́н, карма́шек |
| worker существительное | /ˈwɝ.kɚ/ | рабо́тник, рабо́тница |
Фразовые глаголы, которые вы услышите
| Слово | Произношение | Значение |
|---|---|---|
| come up глагол | поднима́ться, подня́ться | |
| give up глагол | сдава́ться, сда́ться | |
| break down глагол | ломаться, сломаться | |
| bring up глагол | воспи́тывать, воспита́ть | |
| check out глагол | проверя́ть, прове́рить | |
| come down to глагол | спадать до | |
| come out глагол | /ˌkʌm ˈaʊt/ | выходи́ть, вы́йти |
| fall apart глагол | распада́ться, распа́сться |
Фразы, которые стоит повторять
Короткие законченные фразы из видео, которые пригодятся в повседневном разговоре:
- Alright, so let's get into our first segment.
- I wouldn't quite go that far.
- Dude, did you see the vote last night?
- Why do we monetize everything?
- What did we give up though?
Грамматика в этом видео
Конструкции, которые говорящий использует чаще всего, с точными словами из видео:
| Конструкция | В видео |
|---|---|
| «Used to» used to + глагол — прошлая привычка или состояние, которых больше нет | used to buy |
| Пассивный залог be + причастие прошедшего времени — важно, что происходит, а не кто это делает | were not taught · being slammed · be had |
| Present Perfect have/has + причастие прошедшего времени — прошлое действие, важное сейчас | have been · has gone · has been turned |
| Придаточные определительные who / which + предложение — уточнение о человеке или предмете | one who always · someone who is |
Произношение, на которое стоит обратить внимание
Говорящий использует 23 сокращённых и редуцированных форм, например don't, wouldn't, you're. Произносите их коротко, так, как слышите.
- Звуки «th»: smooth /smuːð/, grandmother /ˈɡɹæn(d)ˌmʌðɚ/, thoughtful /ˈθɔːtfəl/, bathwater /ˈbæθwɔtɚ/
- Звуки «sh» и «zh»: subscription /səbˈskɹɪpʃən/, immigration /ˌɪmɪˈɡɹeɪʃən/, conclusion /kənˈkluːʒən/, sharp /ʃɑɹp/, ownership /ˈoʊnɚʃɪp/
- Длинные слова — следите за ударением: genuinely /ˈd͡ʒɛn.ju.ɪn.li/, immigration /ˌɪmɪˈɡɹeɪʃən/, conspiracy /kənˈspɪɹəsi/, uncomfortable /ʌnˈkʌm.fɚ.tə.bl̩/, complicated /ˈkɑm.plɪˌkeɪ.tɪd/
Звуки, трудные для русскоязычных:
- /w/ — губы округлены, это не /v/: worm /wɝm/, worker /ˈwɝ.kɚ/, swing /ˈswɪŋ/, quietly /ˈkwaɪ.ɪt.li/, bathwater /ˈbæθwɔtɚ/
- /h/ — лёгкий выдох, а не русское «х»: humour /ˈhjuːmɚ/, hopeless /ˈhoʊplɪs/, inherit /ɪnˈhɛɹɪt/, hamster /ˈhæm(p)stɚ/
- Звонкие согласные в конце слова — не оглушайте их: phrase /ˈfɹeɪ̯z/, acknowledge /əkˈnɑ.lɪd͡ʒ/, complicated /ˈkɑm.plɪˌkeɪ.tɪd/, cloud /ˈklaʊ̯d/, engage /ɪnˈɡeɪd͡ʒ/
Как заниматься с этим видео
- Прослушайте всё видео один раз молча и выпишите незнакомые слова.
- Повторяйте предложение за предложением на обычной скорости, пока ваш ритм не совпадёт с ритмом говорящего.
- Запишите себя и сравните с оригиналом, обращая внимание на такие слова, как subscription, topic, disagree.
Что такое техника Shadowing?
Shadowing — это научно обоснованная техника изучения языка, изначально разработанная для подготовки профессиональных переводчиков и популяризированная полиглотом доктором Александром Аргуэльесом. Метод прост, но эффективен: вы слушаете аудио на английском от носителей языка и немедленно повторяете вслух — как тень, следующая за говорящим с задержкой в 1–2 секунды. В отличие от пассивного прослушивания или грамматических упражнений, Shadowing заставляет мозг и мышцы рта одновременно обрабатывать и воспроизводить реальные речевые паттерны. Исследования показывают, что это значительно улучшает точность произношения, интонацию, ритм, связную речь, понимание на слух и беглость речи — что делает его одним из самых эффективных методов для подготовки к IELTS Speaking и реального общения на английском.