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it's lovely to see you both
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and especially at the same time i feel like uh really privileged to be able to chat to you both
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because we've seen you on stage like what is it 24 25 times
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you've shared a stage together i mean this is a real friendship true friendship here i guess that's true yeah
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we are nothing
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if not factual here at apple we love to do the data
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we have the data at hand we have to get some statistics
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i love it uh we'll talk about the video we'll talk
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about the song we'll talk about all of it um
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but let's just go back to the friendship and
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and how you met i don't think i've ever asked either of you
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that because i've never had a reason to
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but now you're both here uh who can remember how you actually first met
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i remember meeting you in the studio you were working yeah on i think sour yeah yeah
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and it's been a long time coming i remember the first time
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i was i remember the first time i'm exactly where i was
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when i heard pig pony club the first time too
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and i was like damn that song's amazing and the bit of
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so long ago i mean i we've mentioned that for
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so many years it's just uh it's just you know
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it's awesome to have such a such a long lovely friendship same yeah
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it's been really special to to see it come together on tour
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and to see it be very real obviously
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and also for you two
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i'd imagine um for both of you to have ascended at
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such a at such a quick pace through the quality of your music
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and the hard work you've in
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but to have each other at times i'm sure just to be able to
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if nothing else just have something to laugh to laugh about it with do you know what i mean
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or at least just put it in perspective with olivia you know i think that it's
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so important to have friends who are in this position it's such a rare position to be in
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and like to find people who can be grounded on that is very rare but i feel like
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having olivia as a friend has been so grounding for me
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and like to be able to do like art with her is
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so cool i mean opening for her was so amazing
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but like to have a song with her is just very cool circle
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and feels wholesome and real well yeah it feels very not not even in a it's
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so natural to me i agree i know i i feel
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so lucky to have chapel in my life
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i mean over the course the years we've known each other i think she's helped me
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so much i think this is an insane industry to navigate
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and like such a such a weird way to grow up
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and so i think having her as as a resource
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and like a support system and confidant has been um insanely helpful
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so yeah and then we have some together
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so it's like cherry on top as a fan of both of yours you know of your music
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but also the way
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that you both move um you know you stand on your business you know and i've spoken to you, Chappell, about that.
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Olivia, I've spoken to you about that.
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You know, I and millions of us have the highest respect for both of you.
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And if you encourage each other and support each other to do that, then fucking hell yeah.
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Hell yeah to that friendship.
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Let's talk about expectations.
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Let's talk about the song, which we all love in its original form.
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So fun, Olivia, to be able to reimagine it, bring Chappell into it, do something, get two sides to it,
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get two different stories and in two different takes, which obviously informs the video.
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So, you know, the light bulb moment, when did you realize that you wanted to re -version the song and bring your friend into it?
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When I wrote
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Expectations initially, it was kind of like as a challenge to myself.
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I wanted to write a mantra song.
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I felt like lots of my songs were like, this is how I feel, blah, blah, blah.
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But I wanted to be like, I want to sing this song every night.
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And it's like, you know, it's like Kendrick Lamar, like, sit down, be humble.
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It's like, it gets in your brain, you know what I mean?
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Like, I feel like it's a mantra up.
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And so when I made the song, honestly, I was really inspired by kind of Chapel and like the attitude and swagger that she had.
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And so I think I probably played it for you while we were like in the middle of making the record too.
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And it always like felt sort of inspired by you and your songwriting style.
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So yeah, I was so stoked when she agreed to be on it.
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It was a dream come true.
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Chapel, how was it to contribute to that
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and also to add new lyrics
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and bring your own perspective man with the ghosting i can't believe we're back to getting ghosted chapel in this
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well obviously i love um making things a little gay so oh it was fun to just be like
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girl vibes um but this is obviously like my first feature i've ever
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want this before so i it feels like the perfect perfect to me um
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and it's i don't know i feel okay represent a generation of songwriters that like are just really thinking about their lyrics
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And like, I felt like
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with this song I was like wow it's so cool
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that she is putting a pretty difficult concept within like a pop song
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which is like my favorite pop songs ever
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but um I was like it felt so natural to settle in
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because I was like this is
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so real like damn all my expectations of people it's
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so valid um but i just for the the burst about being set up
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and stuff i mean i was made up
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but that's much more like a fantasy like i just want everybody to know nobody ghosted me
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i want the facts out there who would dare ghost who would get you would dare
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when i was dating boy is is when i got ghosted
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but yeah i have like a vivid memory of being in this studio with you chapel
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and like we're trying to write the second verse
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and i was just like i was telling you all of like the crazy stuff
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that boys have done to me
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and you're like oh my god like you need to start dating girls
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this is crazy it's wild it's wild out here it's just
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it's just like cool to have like a queerness like i don't know i don't know
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if everyone would be down to have like a fully queered verse on air
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so like i think that
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that is like says a lot about your support bar like she's a koreanist
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but also beside girl park far but it's like
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that just makes me it feels very feminist to me but
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that is like so real you know olivia what you're doing
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if i can just take a second
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and say what you're doing in every step of how you're moving is
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so inspiring like i i just like what you did with the festival
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and i pointed this out to somebody the other day
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they were like it's a lot of money i was like yes it's a lot of money
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but but you're missing the actual number the number is a hundred percent not millions of dollars it's the percentage
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that is the headline here um you know a lot of money
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but it's but a percentage of an even bigger amount of money is a great statement, but 100 % is a powerful, really meaningful statement.
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And even, and I was saying, like, even down to, and Chapel, I know because you played it, you respect this and love this,
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no clashes on the stages, really just simple, really effective thinking from a people point of view and an experiential point of view.
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And I haven't had a chance to talk to you about this because all this was happening after our conversation,
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but man, you know, you come up a lot in how people should move these days.
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You really do.
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So I wanted to say
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that oh thank you i mean it was one of the most meaningful experiences of my whole life and um
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i'm not even just saying this because she's on the call
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but having um chapel be there
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and perform as you said for zero profits 100 percent of the profits going to charity was just um
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it was really heartening
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and it really made me feel really proud to be part of this artistic creative community
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that like cares about the world and cares about their audience
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and um yeah i uh i uh i'm really excited to keep going i'm like planning next years right now
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and um yeah it's just it's just very meaningful to me yeah well
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it's it's meaningful to everybody else as well that's really what i just want to make sure you understand
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that it really is resonating with the artistic community with fans like people really respect
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it um i started this conversation by by watching i was watching the video
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that was my it was my version of a reaction video i'm not very good at
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that stuff but um it's an amazing watch
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and i mean we've got to talk about some of the cameos in here as well.
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The most talked about cameo, of course, the biggest cameo in this video is Dan Nigro.
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No, I'm joking.
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Although it kind of is Dan Nigro.
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It is kind of Dan Nigro because he should be in the studio.
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But the fact you got him out on the camera is pretty amazing.
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But we're going to start with David Byrne because obviously we have to start with the icon on the go.
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Someone else you've shared a stage with.
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And I feel who's inspired both of you in your own ways
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i mean this is somebody who is just art first so
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so cool to see him listening i'm having a good time
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and showing that side that we all know he has how was it working with him in the vid
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it was
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so cool honestly i was in shock the whole time
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i i kind of i asked him to do a cameo
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and i was a little bit sheepish obviously
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because you know it's i always feel shy asking people for favors
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but he was so down he showed up the entire day he had a he had a character
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that he had built down he like made this johnny johnson character there's
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so many outtakes we have of him just like improv
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and riffing and he was so into it
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and i was like gosh david he maybe you know
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he should be an actor too one of these days he's very multi -talented in a way don't
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you think he kind of is like if i think about stop making sense
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that movie you know he is
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so walking the line between the reality of the music
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and the inspiration of what he's trying to say
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but also this character and this whole artistic space he exudes it's pure art it's but
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but never from a sort of I never feel on the
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outside of him like I don't fit in like I feel
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like I still can be a fan of his He does it so brilliantly where it never feels like it's a costume.
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It just sort of feels like an extension of him and kind of more of an absurd way.
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But I love him so much and I love
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Stop Making Sense so much.
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And he's also just such a wonderful guy.
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I've gotten a chance to like hang out with him and talk to him.
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And he's just absolutely brilliant and very kind.
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Speaking of extensions, and this is where I step out on the edge of a cliff and have to tread very carefully,
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but I have good friends of mine who would know these sort of things that, Chapel, you may have dug into the wig factory,
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into your prized wig cabinet for this particular video.
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Is that true? is that true yes yeah i mean the line
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that my friend sitting on the floor here said to me was another impeccable wig from chapel
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i know i've been very into wigs and this video um
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let me explore that path you know for you who's who's obviously you know doing the show
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at the festival and you've been around in a really beautiful way
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and you know you're showing up for the right things like you did the other night um
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but you haven't been really active fair to say you're not on yet
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and so going back on a video set and
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and even with your friend
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and being part of something fun how did it feel changing gears and being chapel ron in that regard again because
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it's it's so clearly you in
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that space you've got your superhero outfit on you know oh yeah for sure um
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i felt i was like oh the pop song is like i felt really good
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i mean i just love dressing up and like coffee and singing
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but um i have been very much off
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this last year like i haven't released a song since like the subway last year
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so um it felt i was surprised how easily i just well
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it settled into pop -down mode i was like oh yeah i'm gonna be in glint for five hours
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and that's normal and i will be fine like like i i was fully you know
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but it just was just appreciative
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that like i get to i get to do this like and so i just make songs that are about
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like we just get to bounce around on stage in hot little alchemy
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and sing about love flying but it's like our vibe and i just like it just makes me so
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it needs to be excited to get back into it
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which like yeah you know we're we're getting
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but it's like this was a good little fresh refresher to be like yes i actually am good at this
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and i can do this don't forget
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that i'm sorry i feel like daisy chain was your first performance right in like a year
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or something like that like a real i did lately
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and lala stopped in there i produce here but yeah
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and i'm also like doing the super epic um stuck up there right so like
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we've got to keep the lights on olivia do you know what i mean
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i can take all the time off if i want
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but we've got a little lollapalooza here
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and a little lollapalooza there just keeps just keeps things turning
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you know i just i just i remember watching you at daisy chain
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and being like i can't she's not on tour right now
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because this is most buttoned up incredible set i've ever seen
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it looks like you just like yeah you've been doing this for months
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and i was i was just really impressed i think the space
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that you took to go in and figure out what you want to say next
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and not just keep it moving i think whether you mentor
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or not is a very inspiring decision um for artists that
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that will others will come
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and be in the situation
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you're in where it's really fast like you olivia like you chapel
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they will we're seeing them now i mean there are people going through
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that and i think they have to know
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that no is available right it is available no is your best friend
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and smiling no is the best friend
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and that's why like saying yes expectations always like yes let's get
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it right like it feels fun this wasn't staring yeah like for me
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and like i feel like people are gonna like it
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and safe because the friendship too not for me to say
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but you know the fact you can go out on set
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and be with your buddy and it can be fun
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and it's not just the chapel ron show is not i don't think it'll be lost on anybody either
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that the support continues even through the most fun of experiences
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you know wow it was nice to take a step back
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and be like yes this is following the video like peace of hell
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i wouldn't be here you get to go home exactly exactly you're the aunt
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or the uncle in this situation where you get to give the baby back to olivia
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and be like i'm out of here have a good time have a good time with this with this uh
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this train you're on you know olivia
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you seem really well boston on the 15th the tour looks like a total triumph
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i can't wait to see it um chapel we're not we're not here yet for you
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but we are when you are back
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and you know whenever you're ready we're ready um
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but that's that's the limit of it and uh this is a beautiful way um
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you know to create something
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that we're gonna have forever now this song the two of you this friendship on record
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so once again olivia perfection and uh chapel is
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so good to see you what a real treat
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this has been i really enjoyed it the last 15 minutes thanks you two
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oh thanks zane love you see you later love you guys take care bye guys
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שיעור הדיבור הזה ברמה B2 מבוסס על הסרטון “Olivia Rodrigo & Chappell Roan: “expectations”, Music Video & Daisy Chains”. בסרטון הזה יש 245 משפטים ו-3044 מילים לתרגול Shadowing. הדיבור נמשך 15:18. הדובר מדבר מהר, כ-199 מילים בדקה, אז צפו לצלילים מחוברים ומקוצרים. 85% מהמילים נמצאות בין 3,000 המילים הנפוצות ביותר באנגלית; כדאי ללמוד את השאר לפני שמתחילים.
אוצר מילים מרכזי בסרטון הזה
15 המילים המתקדמות ביותר בסרטון, עם ההגייה והמשמעות שלהן:
| מילה | הגייה | משמעות |
|---|---|---|
| chapel שם עצם | /ˈt͡ʃæp.əl/ | קָפֶּלָה |
| inspire פועל | /ɪnˈspaɪə(ɹ)/ | השרה |
| cameo שם עצם | /ˈkæm.i.oʊ/ | הופעת קמע |
| artistic שם תואר | /ɑɹˈtɪs.tɪk/ | אָמָּנוּתִי |
| daisy שם עצם | /ˈdeɪ.zi/ | חִנָּנִית |
| verse שם עצם | /ˈvɝs/ | שִׁירָה |
| alchemy שם עצם | /ˈælkəmi/ | אַלְכִּימְיָה |
| ascend פועל | /əˈsɛnd/ | עלה |
| confidant שם עצם | /ˈkɑn.fɪ.dɑnt/ | אִישׁ סוֹד |
| wig שם עצם | /wɪɡ/ | פֵּאָה, פֵּאָה נָכְרִית |
| bulb שם עצם | /ˈbʌlb/ | בָּצָל |
| navigate פועל | /ˈnæv.ɪ.ɡeɪt/ | נִוֵּט |
| songwriter שם עצם | משורר | |
| superhero שם עצם | /ˈs(j)upɚhɪɹoʊ/ | גִבּוֹר עָל |
| stare פועל | /stɛɚ/ | בָּהָה |
Phrasal verbs שתשמעו
| מילה | משמעות |
|---|---|
| figure out פועל | הֵבִין, מצא תשובה |
| grow up פועל | גָּדַל |
| sit down פועל | התיישב \ הִתְיַשֵּׁב |
משפטים שכדאי לחזור עליהם
משפטים קצרים ושלמים מהסרטון שאפשר להשתמש בהם בשיחה יומיומית:
- Olivia, I've spoken to you about that.
- It's like, it gets in your brain, you know what I mean?
- Someone else you've shared a stage with.
דקדוק בסרטון הזה
המבנים שהדובר משתמש בהם הכי הרבה, עם המילים המדויקות מהסרטון:
| מבנה | בסרטון |
|---|---|
| הווה מושלם (Present perfect) have/has + past participle — פעולה שקרתה בעבר ועדיין יש לה חשיבות או השפעה עכשיו | we've seen · you've shared · i've ever asked |
| סביל (Passive voice) be + past participle — הדגש הוא על מה שקורה, לא על מי שעושה את הפעולה | can be grounded · was really inspired · being set |
| משפטי זיקה (Relative clauses) who / which + clause — מידע נוסף על אדם או דבר | friends who are · people who can · somebody who is |
הגייה ששווה לשים לב אליה
הדובר משתמש ב-78 קיצורים וצורות מקוצרות, כמו I'm, you're, we're. אמרו אותם בצורה הקצרה, כפי שאתם שומעים אותם.
- הצלילים של “sh” ו-“zh”: expectation /ˌɛk.spɛkˈteɪ.ʃən/, appreciative /əˈpɹi.ʃətɪv/, experiential /ɪkˌspɪɹiˈɛnʃəl/, refresher /ɹɪˈfɹɛʃɚ/, sheepish /ˈʃiːpɪʃ/
- מילים ארוכות — שימו לב להטעמה: expectation /ˌɛk.spɛkˈteɪ.ʃən/, lollapalooza /ˌlɑləpəˈluzə/, appreciative /əˈpɹi.ʃətɪv/, experiential /ɪkˌspɪɹiˈɛnʃəl/, impeccable /ɪmˈpɛkəbəl/
צלילים שדוברי עברית מתקשים בהם:
- /w/ — שפתיים מעוגלות, לא /v/: swagger /ˈswæɡ.ɚ/, wig /wɪɡ/, subway /ˈsʌbˌweɪ/
- /æ/ — פתוח יותר מה-“אֶ” העברית, לא כמו “a” ב-“cup”: chapel /ˈt͡ʃæp.əl/, cameo /ˈkæm.i.oʊ/, alchemy /ˈælkəmi/, swagger /ˈswæɡ.ɚ/, factual /ˈfæk.tʃ(u)əl/
- /r/ — הלשון לא נוגעת בשום מקום, לא ה-“ר” הגרונית: inspire /ɪnˈspaɪə(ɹ)/, artistic /ɑɹˈtɪs.tɪk/, mantra /ˈmɑn.tɹə/, appreciative /əˈpɹi.ʃətɪv/, experiential /ɪkˌspɪɹiˈɛnʃəl/
איך לתרגל עם הסרטון הזה
- הקשיבו לכל הסרטון פעם אחת בלי לדבר, ורשמו את המילים שאתם לא מכירים.
- התחילו במהירות 0.75×, תרגלו Shadowing משפט אחר משפט, וחזרו למהירות רגילה כשזה מרגיש קל.
- הקליטו את עצמכם והשוו למקור, תוך תשומת לב למילים כמו chapel, inspire, cameo.
מהי טכניקת השאדואינג?
שאדואינג היא טכניקת למידת שפה מבוססת מדע שפותחה במקור להכשרת מתורגמנים מקצועיים ופופולרית על ידי הפוליגלוט ד"ר אלכסנדר ארגואלס. השיטה פשוטה אך עוצמתית: אתה מקשיב לאודיו באנגלית ילידית וחוזר עליו בקול רם מיד — כמו צל העוקב אחרי הדובר עם עיכוב של 1–2 שניות בלבד. בניגוד להאזנה פסיבית או תרגילי דקדוק, שאדואינג מכריח את המוח והשרירים בפה לעבד ולשחזר דפוסי דיבור אמיתיים בו זמנית. מחקרים מראים שזה משפר משמעותית את דיוק ההגייה, האינטונציה, הקצב, הדיבור המחובר, הבנת השמיעה ושטף הדיבור — מה שהופך אותו לאחת השיטות היעילות ביותר להכנה לIELTS Speaking ולתקשורת באנגלית בעולם האמיתי.